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... I'll have to assume that with a external it'll be louder at lower volume number but will it be clearer than the Denon.
More than likely it will be louder, but not necessarily clearer. If your AVR isn't running out of steam at the volume (actual SPL) you want to listen then it won't matter. In fact, I've seen people purchase external amps and then couldn't get their speakers level matched using Audyssey (i.e., it reached their numerical max) and I always thought that was a good sign they didn't need an external amp. Then I thought it pretty ironic that they had to go buy some extenuators which then limited the power coming from the amp.
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I was not trying to discourage an external-amp purchase, only noting that if you need more power and are going to add power you might as well add a stack of power and not make merely a lateral move.
No problem here J on your assessment of my situation, I'm all ears and here to learn. But I'm alittle confused on what you mean by adding a stack of power instead of a lateral move. I thought by me taking the x3300 out of the equation when it comes to the Klipsch front stage and adding a external amp that would be considered a stack of power. No? Just based on sheer wattage 275 wpc vs 105 wpc.

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No problem here J on your assessment of my situation, I'm all ears and here to learn. But I'm alittle confused on what you mean by adding a stack of power instead of a lateral move. I thought by me taking the x3300 out of the equation when it comes to the Klipsch front stage and adding a external amp that would be considered a stack of power. No? Just based on sheer wattage 275 wpc vs 105 wpc.
My response was specific to your question about the Outlaw 5000.

https://outlawaudio.com/products/5000.html

It is 120W x 5 into 8 ohms, and, unlike some of the other quality amps Outlaw sells that are OEM'd by ATI (Morris Kessler's company), it is a relatively cheap Asian built amplifier, i.e., not much different from a decent receiver's power supply.
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My response was specific to your question about the Outlaw 5000.

https://outlawaudio.com/products/5000.html

It is 120W x 5 into 8 ohms, and, unlike some of the other quality amps Outlaw sells that are OEM'd by ATI (Morris Kessler's company), it is a relatively cheap Asian built amplifier, i.e., not much different from a decent receiver's power supply.
Oh ok gotcha. You're saying that the outlaw is a lateral move to the Denon. Sorry for the confusion on that one, I was primarily talking about the xpa-3 vs x3300w and also if the the xpa-3 was overkill then something like the outlaw 5000 would be suffice. But I guess if I did/want to go with a external amp then go up not sideways.
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Hi everybody,

I am in the middle of my Atmos 7.1.4 setup, I am already having RF-82 II x2, RC-62 II and CDT-5650-C II x4 for ceiling. I couldn't decide what should I put for the side and back speakers. I want to buy RS-41ii or RS-42ii for sides because its look. However, they are saying dipole speakers are not recommended for Atmos setup from Dolby. https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...14-atmos-setup

Or, I will buy four of RB-51ii for side and back speakers.

So, what are you thinking? Thanks!!!

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Hi everybody,

I am in the middle of my Atmos 7.1.4 setup, I am already having RF-82 II x2, RC-62 II and CDT-5650-C II x4 for ceiling. I couldn't decide what should I put for the side and back speakers. I want to buy RS-41ii or RS-42ii for sides because its look. However, they are saying dipole speakers are not recommended for Atmos setup from Dolby. https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...14-atmos-setup

Or, I will buy four of RB-51ii for side and back speakers.

So, what are you thinking? Thanks!!!
Klipsch doesn't make Di-pole surrounds, so you are good to go with your choices.

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Klipsch doesn't make Di-pole surrounds, so you are good to go with your choices.

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Yes, how about bipole speakers like RS-42II, are they good for atmos 7.1.4 setup as side speakers ?
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Yes, how about bipole speakers like RS-42II, are they good for atmos 7.1.4 setup as side speakers ?
They will work just fine.

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Yes, how about bipole speakers like RS-42II, are they good for atmos 7.1.4 setup as side speakers ?
I have the RS-41 II and was told since the horn is straight ahead it's much less of a dipole. I like the way it sounds. I personally think RS-42II's would be great for sides. As it would cover more area and be even harder to pinpoint the sounds. Someone told me once here at AVS that bipoles are better for sides, with directs for rears. However I have been able to pinpoint my rear left speaker and it's a RB-51 II. I think any time you can make it harder to detect the sound from the speaker the better. So go for it!

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I have the RS-41 II and was told since the horn is straight ahead it's much less of a dipole. I like the way it sounds. I personally think RS-42II's would be great for sides. As it would cover more area and be even harder to pinpoint the sounds. Someone told me once here at AVS that bipoles are better for sides, with directs for rears. However I have been able to pinpoint my rear left speaker and it's a RB-51 II. I think any time you can make it harder to detect the sound from the speaker the better. So go for it!
Thank you for your reply, but article is saying "Dolby recommends using direct-radiating surround speakers positioned at roughly ear-height for Atmos.". If this is the case, why Klipsch is still making surround speakers like RP-250s.
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Thank you for your reply, but article is saying "Dolby recommends using direct-radiating surround speakers positioned at roughly ear-height for Atmos.". If this is the case, why Klipsch is still making surround speakers like RP-250s.
Dolby has heard our RP-250s in person and gave them two thumbs up. I can assure you our surrounds will work great with Atmos. Our bookshelf models also work well. Take the Atmos out of the equation, and focus on your room for a moment. If you have a large open space around your side surround locations then our "surround" models will work good. If you have multiple row seating, our surround speakers work well in that application as well. If the location for surrounds is tight then I might sway you to choose a monopole speaker. What I'm saying is, Atmos is a non-issue for Klipsch surrounds. You should buy whatever speaker fits your pocket book, or preference.

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Dolby has heard our RP-250s in person and gave them two thumbs up. I can assure you our surrounds will work great with Atmos. Our bookshelf models also work well. Take the Atmos out of the equation, and focus on your room for a moment. If you have a large open space around your side surround locations then our "surround" models will work good. If you have multiple row seating, our surround speakers work well in that application as well. If the location for surrounds is tight then I might sway you to choose a monopole speaker. What I'm saying is, Atmos is a non-issue for Klipsch surrounds. You should buy whatever speaker fits your pocket book, or preference.

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Sounds like you work for Klipsch? Perhaps you are the best person to ask this question:
I have RF82II as fronts, RC62ii as center, RP140SA for front ATMOS (waiting for delivery), and RS42II for side surrounds. My back surrounds are old Onkyo satellites. I really want to take the satellites out of my system. Frys keeps on putting a pair of RB61II on sale, so my mind is thinking:

A) Set RB61II as sides and move RS42II to back surrounds
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B)Leave RS42II as sides and set RB61II as back surrounds.

Opinion? Wide despersion feature of the RS series is what keeps me from making a decision..not sure how to use it best. If it helps, my room is a rectangle with my sides surrounds at short edges and my fronts and backs along the long edges of the rectangle. That results in my back surrounds being almost immediately behind me, but they are wall mounted below the ceiling line tilted downwards. Meanwhile, my side surrounds are a minimum of 10 ft away from my listening position.

Anybody else feel free to chime in. Thanks

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Side Surrounds - Klispch RS-42IIs // Rear ATMOS (RH) - Klipsch RP-140SAs
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Sounds like you work for Klipsch? Perhaps you are the best person to ask this question:
I have RF82II as fronts, RC62ii as center, RP140SA for front ATMOS (waiting for delivery), and RS42II for side surrounds. My back surrounds are old Onkyo satellites. I really want to take the satellites out of my system. Frys keeps on putting a pair of RB61II on sale, so my mind is thinking:

A) Set RB61II as sides and move RS42II to back surrounds
or
B)Leave RS42II as sides and set RB61II as back surrounds.

Opinion? Wide despersion feature of the RS series is what keeps me from making a decision..not sure how to use it best. If it helps, my room is a rectangle with my sides surrounds at short edges and my fronts and backs along the long edges of the rectangle. That results in my back surrounds being almost immediately behind me, but they are wall mounted below the ceiling line tilted downwards. Meanwhile, my side surrounds are a minimum of 10 ft away from my listening position.

Anybody else feel free to chime in. Thanks
If back surrounds are closer than 4ft. then I wouldn't bother having them. Putting them higher doesn't work either in my experience. Stick with a nice 5.1 layout while possibly sliding the side surrounds to 120 degrees or so.

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Sounds like you work for Klipsch? Perhaps you are the best person to ask this question:
I have RF82II as fronts, RC62ii as center, RP140SA for front ATMOS (waiting for delivery), and RS42II for side surrounds. My back surrounds are old Onkyo satellites. I really want to take the satellites out of my system. Frys keeps on putting a pair of RB61II on sale, so my mind is thinking:

A) Set RB61II as sides and move RS42II to back surrounds
or
B)Leave RS42II as sides and set RB61II as back surrounds.

Opinion? Wide despersion feature of the RS series is what keeps me from making a decision..not sure how to use it best. If it helps, my room is a rectangle with my sides surrounds at short edges and my fronts and backs along the long edges of the rectangle. That results in my back surrounds being almost immediately behind me, but they are wall mounted below the ceiling line tilted downwards. Meanwhile, my side surrounds are a minimum of 10 ft away from my listening position.

Anybody else feel free to chime in. Thanks
If back surrounds are closer than 4ft. then I wouldn't bother having them. Putting them higher doesn't work either in my experience. Stick with a nice 5.1 layout while possibly sliding the side surrounds to 120 degrees or so.

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The back surrounds are exactly 4 ft away, linear. But farther if we draw a 45 degree line from the top of the ceiling where they are mounted downwards towards the listening area
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Dolby has heard our RP-250s in person and gave them two thumbs up. I can assure you our surrounds will work great with Atmos. Our bookshelf models also work well. Take the Atmos out of the equation, and focus on your room for a moment. If you have a large open space around your side surround locations then our "surround" models will work good. If you have multiple row seating, our surround speakers work well in that application as well. If the location for surrounds is tight then I might sway you to choose a monopole speaker. What I'm saying is, Atmos is a non-issue for Klipsch surrounds. You should buy whatever speaker fits your pocket book, or preference.

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Good explanation and I am understand now, thank you for your reply
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I guess I'm basing my need for a external is due to my prior experience from my theater room setup. I had a Denon x4000 paired with Polk Ati9 Fronts and A6 Center and it was ok after the calibrations. After I paired the front stage with the Emotiva xpa-5 it was a whole different viewing experience and it seemed to come alive. My living room is 15x21x10 and viewing is about 14' and also open to the kitchen so dialogue from the front is critical for me.
I'm a proponent of external amps - for years I bought the beefiest AVR I could find and was quite happy. Just to see if I was missing anything, I purchased an Emotiva XPA-5, and there wasn't a night and day difference in sound quality, but it was noticeable, especially in high octane action sequences, which I watch a lot of. Now to be fair, I'm in a 18x20 living room that is open to the upstairs and the rest of the house, so I'm typically watching at or near reference levels. For those staying about -15, which I'm sure is a lot, then I wouldn't bother.

On another note - anyone get the RF-7 III's that had the II's? I'm curious if there is much sonic difference at all. I've loved my II's and don't plan to change, but curiosity killed the cat!

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I'm a proponent of external amps - for years I bought the beefiest AVR I could find and was quite happy. Just to see if I was missing anything, I purchased an Emotiva XPA-5, and there wasn't a night and day difference in sound quality, but it was noticeable, especially in high octane action sequences, which I watch a lot of. Now to be fair, I'm in a 18x20 living room that is open to the upstairs and the rest of the house, so I'm typically watching at or near reference levels. For those staying about -15, which I'm sure is a lot, then I wouldn't bother.

On another note - anyone get the RF-7 III's that had the II's? I'm curious if there is much sonic difference at all. I've loved my II's and don't plan to change, but curiosity killed the cat!
I haven't heard the llls yet, but have it from a good source that they are considerably better.
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On another note - anyone get the RF-7 III's that had the II's? I'm curious if there is much sonic difference at all. I've loved my II's and don't plan to change, but curiosity killed the cat!
Hi Tom! Great question! I'm of the same mind set as you! Since upgrading, I've had no desire or inclination to upgrade further...love my 7 II's. For me, the axiom of investing in speakers (rather than electronics) for the long term applies. I feel I've reached the 90%, if not the 95% point in speaker performance and investing in the last 5% - 10% is not worth the cost differential. Perhaps the 7 IV's or V's will offer increased performance and appeal.

BTW: Have you made any decisions WRT to upgrading from your SR7008? It's time for you to consider 3D sound (Atmos, DTS:X, Auro) ! Along with a couple of others, the SR8012 is on my short list.

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I haven't heard the llls yet, but have it from a good source that they are considerably better.
Other than understanding that they are less "shrill" or "bright," due to the change in horn surround material, I haven't heard (no pun intended) very much about them either. Then again, I've never considered the 7 II's to be "bright." Did your source mention or define what "considerably" better means? Thanks!
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Hi Tom! Great question! I'm of the same mind set as you! Since upgrading, I've had no desire or inclination to upgrade further...love my 7 II's. For me, the axiom of investing in speakers (rather than electronics) for the long term applies. I feel I've reached the 90%, if not the 95% point in speaker performance and investing in the last 5% - 10% is not worth the cost differential. Perhaps the 7 IV's or V's will offer increased performance and appeal.

BTW: Have you made any decisions WRT to upgrading from your SR7008? It's time for you to consider 3D sound (Atmos, DTS:X, Auro) ! Along with a couple of others, the SR8012 is on my short list.
I was actually looking at some this morning - the Marantz 7703 or 7704 pre/pro. I plan to add another amp and go to Atmos as soon as I build out my media room. I'm looking at either converting an attic space upstairs into a 10x12, my 3rd stall of my garage to 10x15, or possibly building another home that has one included. My wife wants the new home - we have a 1/4 acre lot and she wants a 1/2 or 3/4. I would like a larger lot too, but we just built our house 3 years ago, so I'm not really looking forward to going through that again. I regret not adding a media room to this one, but was relocating and was trying to rush the build and didn't push the builder for it.

I've thought about upgrading several times now, but Atmos just really isn't that much of an option for me in my living room - I don't think the up-firing speakers would work well with my 20' ceilings and the cost to add in ceiling speakers and wiring to a temporary HT space isn't that appealing. The 7008 is still trucking on for now, so as long as age doesn't get it first, I'm sticking with it.

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Other than understanding that they are less "shrill" or "bright," due to the change in horn surround material, I haven't heard (no pun intended) very much about them either. Then again, I've never considered the 7 II's to be "bright." Did your source mention or define what "considerably" better means? Thanks!
I wouldn't describe mine as overly bright either, in fact they seem very tame in that department. I play mine at or near reference levels all the time and the detailing is amazing. I'm sure there is a sonic difference between the II's and III's, but until someone on here that has had both tells me there is a huge difference, I'm going to speculate and say it's probably minimal at best.
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I was actually looking at some this morning - the Marantz 7703 or 7704 pre/pro. I plan to add another amp and go to Atmos as soon as I build out my media room. I'm looking at either converting an attic space upstairs into a 10x12, my 3rd stall of my garage to 10x15, or possibly building another home that has one included. My wife wants the new home - we have a 1/4 acre lot and she wants a 1/2 or 3/4. I would like a larger lot too, but we just built our house 3 years ago, so I'm not really looking forward to going through that again. I regret not adding a media room to this one, but was relocating and was trying to rush the build and didn't push the builder for it.

I've thought about upgrading several times now, but Atmos just really isn't that much of an option for me in my living room - I don't think the up-firing speakers would work well with my 20' ceilings and the cost to add in ceiling speakers and wiring to a temporary HT space isn't that appealing. The 7008 is still trucking on for now, so as long as age doesn't get it first, I'm sticking with it.
I appreciate your HT space dilemma..but a nice problem to have! Whatever your decision, it'll be a fun and exciting build I'm sure...looking forward to your build progress and pictures! WRT to Dolby Atmos Enabled Speakers, you're right as IIRC the ideal height recommendation is around 14 feet. And agree that with an impending change in HT venue, it's not worth implementing Atmos in your current space...although it looks wonderfully dramatic. Good luck with your decision and keep us posted!

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I appreciate your HT space dilemma..but a nice problem to have! Whatever your decision, it'll be a fun and exciting build I'm sure...looking forward to your build progress and pictures! WRT to Dolby Atmos Enabled Speakers, you're right as IIRC the ideal height recommendation is around 14 feet. And agree that with an impending change in HT venue, it's not worth implementing Atmos in your current space...although it looks wonderfully dramatic. Good luck with your decision and keep us posted!
I sure will! I can't wait to post that first picture of the build. I'm ready to have a 100" plus screen and 4k projector! I would like to add in masking, but many of the options are cost prohibitive. I may try to build one myself.

Are you running in-ceiling speakers or the up-firing ones? I've been looking at doing in-ceiling in the build.

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Other than understanding that they are less "shrill" or "bright," due to the change in horn surround material, I haven't heard (no pun intended) very much about them either. Then again, I've never considered the 7 II's to be "bright." Did your source mention or define what "considerably" better means? Thanks!
I believe it was more than just a cosmetic change, a lot of engineering went into the RF7llls. The port system is different. Other than the engineers, the only person I've heard of that has listened to the 2s and 3s is Cory at MetropolisSoundOutfitters, he says the 3s are more laid back, and less in your face than the 2s. He is on the Klipsch forum, and also a registered Klipsch distributor. He also picked the RFlll over the new Forte lll.

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I sure will! I can't wait to post that first picture of the build. I'm ready to have a 100" plus screen and 4k projector! I would like to add in masking, but many of the options are cost prohibitive. I may try to build one myself.
By no means am I attempting to offend anyone. As I have both, when one transitions from <100" to >100", the world of TV is left behind...and a new experience in the world of immersive entertainment awaits you.

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Are you running in-ceiling speakers or the up-firing ones? I've been looking at doing in-ceiling in the build.
It's generally acknowledged that "in ceiling/on ceiling" provides the most accurate 3D sound effects (object placement). However, Dolby Atmos Enabled Speakers (DAES) were designed to provide an alternative for those that are unwilling or unable to install in/on ceilings...i.e. structure prohibitive, hesitancy/reluctancy to cut holes, apartment living, WAF, etc. I personally have installed six (6) in ceiling 8" speakers for TF, TM, and TR in anticipation of reasonably priced accommodating hardware/software...i.e. the upcoming Denon X8500H or similar rather than Trinnov or Datasat. You'll find that you'll have decisions to make relative to speaker selection and speaker placement/location. After reading through some of the "What's the best speaker for Atmos" threads, you still may be undecided because the responses runs a wide gamut. The best advice I can offer is to not overthink it and plan to experiment a bit in your own environment. One size does not fit all here and there is a lot of latitude for effective and immersive 3D sound.

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I believe it was more than just a cosmetic change, a lot of engineering went into the RF7llls. The port system is different. Other than the engineers, the only person I've heard of that has listened to the 2s and 3s is Cory at MetropolisSoundOutfitters, he says the 3s are more laid back, and less in your face than the 2s. He is on the Klipsch forum, and also a registered Klipsch distributor. He also picked the RFlll over the new Forte lll.
Good to know. I'll venture into the Klipsch forum for additional thoughts and perspectives. Although I'll likely not be replacing my 2's for awhile, I'm always interested in new developments. Also, personally, I have always preferred the more forward sound signature of the 2's. Thanks again!

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Good to know. I'll venture into the Klipsch forum for additional thoughts and perspectives. Although I'll likely not be replacing my 2's for awhile, I'm always interested in new developments. Also, personally, I have always preferred the more forward sound signature of the 2's. Thanks again!
There is a pretty good price difference currently between the two, and I know it's hard to justify that cost for a minimal update. I'm sure some might prefer the 2 over the 3. I do know an engineer on that design team, along with It'smyforte, they spent a lot of time on the new speakers, and they are proud of them. I did see a pair of the 3s, and I like the new design.
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Would you say that the new RFIII sound is more like the RF2 or more like RP280? I do understand it could be mix of RF2 10 inch drivers with RP series horn but bigger? I don't see a reason to upgrade from my RP series speakers cause they sound so good....but you always wonder!

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Sounds like you work for Klipsch? Perhaps you are the best person to ask this question:
I have RF82II as fronts, RC62ii as center, RP140SA for front ATMOS (waiting for delivery), and RS42II for side surrounds. My back surrounds are old Onkyo satellites. I really want to take the satellites out of my system. Frys keeps on putting a pair of RB61II on sale, so my mind is thinking:

A) Set RB61II as sides and move RS42II to back surrounds
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B)Leave RS42II as sides and set RB61II as back surrounds.

Opinion? Wide despersion feature of the RS series is what keeps me from making a decision..not sure how to use it best. If it helps, my room is a rectangle with my sides surrounds at short edges and my fronts and backs along the long edges of the rectangle. That results in my back surrounds being almost immediately behind me, but they are wall mounted below the ceiling line tilted downwards. Meanwhile, my side surrounds are a minimum of 10 ft away from my listening position.

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If back surrounds are closer than 4ft. then I wouldn't bother having them. Putting them higher doesn't work either in my experience. Stick with a nice 5.1 layout while possibly sliding the side surrounds to 120 degrees or so.

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The back surrounds are exactly 4 ft away, linear. But farther if we draw a 45 degree line from the top of the ceiling where they are mounted downwards towards the listening area
So assuming my back surrounds are too close to be worth using, I still wanna utilize my 9 channels. Would getting rear atmos instead then be the next best thing? My ceiling can't do ceiling speakers so it has to be atmos enabled such as the rp140sa I got for the atmos front. How do I mount / implement speakers like that if I've got no back surround to put them on top of?

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Other than understanding that they are less "shrill" or "bright," due to the change in horn surround material, I haven't heard (no pun intended) very much about them either. Then again, I've never considered the 7 II's to be "bright." Did your source mention or define what "considerably" better means? Thanks!
Fwiw, one just needs to look at this thread to see that every new generation of Klipsch speakers is described as being not as "bright" as the previous generation. In fact, that has been the main complaint about Klipsch Speakers for as long as I've known of the brand.
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