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Received my 280s and 450C today... these thing are huge. Hooked them up to my existing 10+ year old Sony reciver for just the evening. Breaking out the new Denon x3400 tomorrow! Any must see movies shows inshoul$ fire up preferably from Apple/Netflix/amazon?

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Which its best the center speaker of the quintet III or this one https://www.amazon.com/Klipsch-G-28-...AY4C0E8PY7ADNM

OR THIS ONE https://www.amazon.com/Klipsch-RP-64...dp_ob_title_ce


Also i open to suggestion for a flat center speaker because i have an UST LG projector and dont fit on the tv rack with my rc62II.
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RP 640D mounted horizontal is what I would go with.
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https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/v...d-planets-2017 Amazon Prime Free (Bluray has better audio) it will give your subs and surrounds a work oit so will Blade Runner 2049 7.1 ATMOS with Harrison Ford, Ryan Gosling..
I don't know if its me.....but I didn't like Blade Runner 2049. I found it kinda dull for my taste and was hoping for a faster paced action film.
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Hey guys I was curious, which do you think would be better for rear surrounds, RP240s or RP140SA,

(if the 240S, would 250S on sides and rear for complete 5.25 driver match all around be better?)

The rest of the system will be,
2x RP-150ms (maybe 250Fs if I can fit them, I have to have them in bookshelves, but I may try to modify the shelves to hold 250fs at ear height.)
1x 250c Center Channel
2x R-110SW

For Sides, I have been reading and planning and I think that Bipoles are best, so Either 240s or 250s (or do you think monopole 140sa's would be better?) I was leaning to the 250s, only if I it they would be good rears in my situation as then I can match all drivers in the system at 5.25.

No matter what, all 4 surrounds will have to be located pretty high up the wall, (3' above ear height sides, 3' ~ 3' 6" for rears) (which btw should they be angled down?).

I have made a sketch the best I could to scale lol, with dimensions.

Not too concerned about Atmos atm due to lowish ceilings (7' 7") and the surrounds ahving to be placed high plus 7.2 channel receiver, and lack of atmos content.

What do you guys think?

Edit: The couch is also a sectional, However I didnt draw it as such, due to making things harder lol, but it extends on the left wall to about 1 ft from where the FL is located) The right wall has a desk, running from the door to 1ft from the bookcase as well (those complicate the using of 250Fs). So side surrounds will be right next to ears, and have to be wall mounted, about 14 inches in front of MLP. There is just no other way.

Cant move the couch much closer, to make sides 90, due to 1, distance from couch to bookshelf, and 2 the projector screen when down is level with the fronts, which is about 10 inches closer to couch putting you about 7' from a 106 inch screen which is already, pretty much as close as I would ever want to be (I'd prefer to be back a little, is what it is though. (its fine for 2:35, not so much for 16:9 lol.)

Edit: 2, would 250cs set up vertically be better than 150ms for fronts? If yes, or even if they would be the same/similar (usable lol). Does anyone know how the logo is attached? Is it peg mounted or glued or what?.
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I don't know if its me.....but I didn't like Blade Runner 2049. I found it kinda dull for my taste and was hoping for a faster paced action film.
Same here...I think 2049 received kudo's primarily for the audio mix. Many have also reported that the audio remix of the original BR is equally if not better than 2049. I haven't seen/heard it yet but I do prefer the original story/plot line better than 2049...so you're not alone.
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Same here...I think 2049 received kudo's primarily for the audio mix. Many have also reported that the audio remix of the original BR is equally if not better than 2049. I haven't seen/heard it yet but I do prefer the original story/plot line better than 2049...so you're not alone.
My picks were for the audio not the story line of how the video looks. I just watched "Thor Ragnarok " another Bluray that is great audio during special effects etc. VMMY on story line on any of these.
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Hey guys I was curious, which do you think would be better for rear surrounds, RP240s or RP140SA,

(if the 240S, would 250S on sides and rear for complete 5.25 driver match all around be better?)
I would support going with the RP250s for side and rear surrounds for a couple of reasons: (1) your larger room size would benefit from the larger 5.25" drivers and (2) the 180 degree dispersion pattern of the 250s is ideal to prevent "hot spotting" at the sides of your seating area. Also, @itsmyforte suggested earlier in the thread that these WDST speakers were the best that Dolby has ever heard for this purpose...can't get any better endorsement than that!

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For Sides, I have been reading and planning and I think that Bipoles are best, so Either 240s or 250s (or do you think monopole 140sa's would be better?) I was leaning to the 250s, only if I it they would be good rears in my situation as then I can match all drivers in the system at 5.25.
See above comments. The 250s are neither bipoles or dipoles and monopoles tend to hot spot...especially when seated close. Keep leaning toward the RP 250S!

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No matter what, all 4 surrounds will have to be located pretty high up the wall, (3' above ear height sides, 3' ~ 3' 6" for rears) (which btw should they be angled down?).
The closer to ear level the better. However, all rooms have constraints. Even if some compromises are made, you will still get good results. You may want to visit the Atmos thread as there has been discussion around this subject for the past couple of days.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-rec...l#post55818664

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Not too concerned about Atmos atm due to lowish ceilings (7' 7") and the surrounds ahving to be placed high plus 7.2 channel receiver, and lack of atmos content.
Your ceilings are considered on the low end for Atmos. Therefore, if possible, lower the surrounds and rears as conditions permit. The goal is to get separation between the height level (ceiling) and base level (surrounds) speakers to obtain the best results for 3D sound (Atmos/DTS:X/Auro). Again, the discussion in the Atmos thread will provide more detail around this. Good luck with your pursuit!

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My picks were for the audio not the story line of how the video looks. I just watched "Thor Ragnarok " another Bluray that is great audio during special effects etc. VMMY on story line on any of these.
Agreed Louis! Ragnarok is the family feature at our house for tonight! Some have said the story line was better than expected...a plesant surprise.
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My picks were for the audio not the story line of how the video looks. I just watched "Thor Ragnarok " another Bluray that is great audio during special effects etc. VMMY on story line on any of these.
Love Marvel Films! That is my next film to definitely check out!
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Hey guys I was curious, which do you think would be better for rear surrounds, RP240s or RP140SA,

(if the 240S, would 250S on sides and rear for complete 5.25 driver match all around be better?)
I would support going with the RP250s for side and rear surrounds for a couple of reasons: (1) your larger room size would benefit from the larger 5.25" drivers and (2) the 180 degree dispersion pattern of the 250s is ideal to prevent "hot spotting" at the sides of your seating area. Also, @itsmyforte suggested earlier in the thread that these WDST speakers were the best that Dolby has ever heard for this purpose...can't get any better endorsement than that! [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]

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For Sides, I have been reading and planning and I think that Bipoles are best, so Either 240s or 250s (or do you think monopole 140sa's would be better?) I was leaning to the 250s, only if I it they would be good rears in my situation as then I can match all drivers in the system at 5.25.
See above comments. The 250s are neither bipoles or dipoles and monopoles tend to hot spot...especially when seated close. Keep leaning toward the RP 250S![IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]

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No matter what, all 4 surrounds will have to be located pretty high up the wall, (3' above ear height sides, 3' ~ 3' 6" for rears) (which btw should they be angled down?).
The closer to ear level the better. However, all rooms have constraints. Even if some compromises are made, you will still get good results. You may want to visit the Atmos thread as there has been discussion around this subject for the past couple of days.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-rec...l#post55818664

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Not too concerned about Atmos atm due to lowish ceilings (7' 7") and the surrounds ahving to be placed high plus 7.2 channel receiver, and lack of atmos content.
Your ceilings are considered on the low end for Atmos. Therefore, if possible, lower the surrounds and rears as conditions permit. The goal is to get separation between the height level (ceiling) and base level (surrounds) speakers to obtain the best results for 3D sound (Atmos/DTS:X/Auro). Again, the discussion in the Atmos thread will provide more detail around this. Good luck with your pursuit!
Thanks for the help, that's the same way I was leaning [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]. The 5.25 drivers all around is just so much cleaner looking (and probably more pairing).

Ya I know my ceilings are low [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/frown.gif[/IMG].

The sides, I can likely lower more, the rears are the tough part, but will see what I can pull off.

Also, as to the not being bipoles or dipoles, I know Klipsch likes to say they are not, but let's be honest they are [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/tongue.gif[/IMG].

Bipole means dual speakers in one cabinet angled away from each other, in phase.

Dipole means dual speakers in a single cabinet angled away from each other out of phase.

They are in phase, angled away from each other dual speakers in 1 cabinet, thus 180 degree radiating "Bipole" Speakers.

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Thanks for the help, that's the same way I was leaning
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Ya I know my ceilings are low
Mine are just under 8'

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The sides, I can likely lower more, the rears are the tough part, but will see what I can pull off.
Don't get OCD...do what you're comfortable with and what the room allows.

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Also, as to the not being bipoles or dipoles, I know Klipsch likes to say they are not, but let's be honest they are
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Thanks for the help, that's the same way I was leaning [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]. The 5.25 drivers all around is just so much cleaner looking (and probably more pairing).

Ya I know my ceilings are low [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/frown.gif[/IMG].

The sides, I can likely lower more, the rears are the tough part, but will see what I can pull off.

Also, as to the not being bipoles or dipoles, I know Klipsch likes to say they are not, but let's be honest they are [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/tongue.gif[/IMG].

Bipole means dual speakers in one cabinet angled away from each other, in phase.

Dipole means dual speakers in a single cabinet angled away from each other out of phase.

They are in phase, angled away from each other dual speakers in 1 cabinet, thus 180 degree radiating "Bipole" Speakers.
I too have a low ceiling that is 7.5 feet. I made atmos work, you just have to plan and get aimable ceiling speakers. Plus keep your other speakers right at ear level. Higher ceilings have more flexibility.

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Aimble speakers for sure . I was thinking if I do Atmos, In ceiling RPs with the portable tweeter would be ideal. That way I get the most hieght from them I can.

That or, go with the In Ceiling "shallow" sets, that are pre sealed, and build a box for them to go into. That way they are only 2 inches down from the ceiling and can be moved around.


What do you guys think about the RP250c as L/Rs? I know there is alot of MTM standing speakers about, and wonder does the 250c make any changes that would affect its ability in a vertical oreintation?

I would really like to have something with 2 woofers for my L/R, However I cannot fit a 250F without great modfications to the bookshelves, which would be structural mess as well lol.

However! 2 vertical 250cs I can do without any modication, should land the tweeter at listening area, a woofer slightly above and one slightly below. Perfect IMO.

However while trying to research this I get no clear answer alot say that there is changes done to centers to make them bad for L/R (when in vertical orientation) then others say that's hogwash and they only say that to make people feel better about using a spaker in a bad position as a horizontal center is a compromise.

So which is it lol? Or at least which is it in the case of a 250c? Is the imaging changed and no good for vertical L/Rs? Does the crossover somehow affect its ability to be such?
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RP 640D mounted horizontal is what I would go with.
Thanks!!! Im going for that one
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I'll have to disagree. I thought the new Thor movie ( I watched on 4k Atmos) was very underwhelming in the audio department. poor dynamics- had to crank the volume up a good deal more than I usually do and it still underwhelmed. very disappointing. this movie would have been awesome with a killer Atmos track.
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I'll have to disagree. I thought the new Thor movie ( I watched on 4k Atmos) was very underwhelming in the audio department. poor dynamics- had to crank the volume up a good deal more than I usually do and it still underwhelmed. very disappointing. this movie would have been awesome with a killer Atmos track.
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So I got my new system set up and waiting for the TV before a final run with Audyssey through the Denon but have a question. This is my first time using floor standing speakers (R28) and I manually set everything to small before messing around with Audyssey. After, it sent the mains to large with a crossover of 40Hz. Does this seem right? I have dual subs and the Denon set to LFE for bass.

Also curious if anyone uses Dynamic Volume? Watched Bolt last night and the surround/effects were great but center dialogue was very low. Turning DV to Low helped improve things.

Have to say, the difference between my old Onkyo THX speakers and the Klipsch is like night and day. So clear and crisp!

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So I got my new system set up and waiting for the TV before a final run with Audyssey through the Denon but have a question. This is my first time using floor standing speakers (R28) and I manually set everything to small before messing around with Audyssey. After, it sent the mains to large with a crossover of 40Hz. Does this seem right? I have dual subs and the Denon set to LFE for bass.

Also curious if anyone uses Dynamic Volume? Watched Bolt last night and the surround/effects were great but center dialogue was very low. Turning DV to Low helped improve things.

Have to say, the difference between my old Onkyo THX speakers and the Klipsch is like night and day. So clear and crisp!

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Set the fronts to SMALL, cross over at 80 and turn off Dynamic. You can just go into the Eq and add gain the ceneter for better vocal to the center.

I have to pause a Bluray sometimes and bump up or down the gain to my ceneter or +/- the volume to my sub.
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So I got my new system set up and waiting for the TV before a final run with Audyssey through the Denon but have a question. This is my first time using floor standing speakers (R28) and I manually set everything to small before messing around with Audyssey. After, it sent the mains to large with a crossover of 40Hz. Does this seem right? I have dual subs and the Denon set to LFE for bass.

Also curious if anyone uses Dynamic Volume? Watched Bolt last night and the surround/effects were great but center dialogue was very low. Turning DV to Low helped improve things.

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Hello what do you guy's think of the placement of the dolby atmos speakers klipsch rp-140sa onceiling and the surround speakers klipsch rp-250s..? Should i replace theme or is this ok for 5.2.4 and i have youst 6.5ft ceiling hight.
I can not do inceiling.:-( and dont want to bounce the sound up on to the ceiling.
Any suggestion appriciates..:-)
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Hello what do you guy's think of the placement of the dolby atmos speakers klipsch rp-140sa onceiling and the surround speakers klipsch rp-250s..? Should i replace theme or is this ok for 5.2.4 and i have youst 6.5ft ceiling hight.
I can not do inceiling.:-( and dont want to bounce the sound up on to the ceiling.
Any suggestion appriciates..:-)
Your 6.5' ceiling height is considered to be at the very extreme low end for Atmos. IMO, using the RP-140SA on ceiling would not be the best solution as you'll loose additional height and it will be a bit more challenging to aim correctly due to its fixed angle. It's best used as a DAES (reflective) speaker. As a suggestion/alternative, many have had success using the Klipsch AW series speakers when "in ceilings" are not possible or desirable. You still loose some height but you gain better flexibility. The RP-250S will be fine for your surrounds.

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Too each is own,hope you rented then. I only have 7.2 1080P it was good for ME. .
well its good you are happy. I know a lot of people it seems like myself felt it was to compressed with no dynamics. the movie's menu was way louder than the actual movie (warning when you do crank up your volume for the movie and then switch to the menu...). overall the movie was enjoyable. just a shame about the soundtrack.
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Hello what do you guy's think of the placement of the dolby atmos speakers klipsch rp-140sa onceiling and the surround speakers klipsch rp-250s..? Should i replace theme or is this ok for 5.2.4 and i have youst 6.5ft ceiling hight.
I can not do inceiling.:-( and dont want to bounce the sound up on to the ceiling.
Any suggestion appriciates..:-)
Your 6.5' ceiling height is considered to be at the very extreme low end for Atmos. IMO, using the RP-140SA on ceiling would not be the best solution as you'll loose additional height and it will be a bit more challenging to aim correctly due to its fixed angle. It's best used as a DAES (reflective) speaker. As a suggestion/alternative, many have had success using the Klipsch AW series speakers when "in ceilings" are not possible or desirable. You still loose some height but you gain better flexibility. The RP-250S will be fine for your surrounds.
Ok thanks for answear i will test around and se what i end up with..:-)
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Hello what do you guy's think of the placement of the dolby atmos speakers klipsch rp-140sa onceiling and the surround speakers klipsch rp-250s..? Should i replace theme or is this ok for 5.2.4 and i have youst 6.5ft ceiling hight.
I can not do inceiling.:-( and dont want to bounce the sound up on to the ceiling.
Any suggestion appriciates..:-)
Your 6.5' ceiling height is considered to be at the very extreme low end for Atmos. IMO, using the RP-140SA on ceiling would not be the best solution as you'll loose additional height and it will be a bit more challenging to aim correctly due to its fixed angle. It's best used as a DAES (reflective) speaker. As a suggestion/alternative, many have had success using the Klipsch AW series speakers when "in ceilings" are not possible or desirable. You still loose some height but you gain better flexibility. The RP-250S will be fine for your surrounds.
What do you think of the ELAC WS1425 on to the ceiling instead of the klipsch rp-140sa in my not so high ceiling..?
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I am putting together a 7.1 system utilizing the RP series. I have already purchased A set of 240S and 150M. My room is 11.5 feet wide by 14 feet long with floor to ceiling black out curtains at the back of the room. I would like to get a set of 280F’s for the fronts or would that be overkill? Or I could go with a pair of 260F’s. My channel will be a RP-450C and I will eventually purchase an SVS sub. Not sure if the 280s would match up with my other surrounds given my room size. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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I am putting together a 7.1 system utilizing the RP series. I have already purchased A set of 240S and 150M. My room is 11.5 feet wide by 14 feet long with floor to ceiling black out curtains at the back of the room. I would like to get a set of 280F’s for the fronts or would that be overkill? Or I could go with a pair of 260F’s. My channel will be a RP-450C and I will eventually purchase an SVS sub. Not sure if the 280s would match up with my other surrounds given my room size. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Get the 280Fs and eliminate the “what if”

Won’t be overkill.
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Won’t be overkill.
Agree. Especially since you won't have a sub for a while.
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I am putting together a 7.1 system utilizing the RP series. I have already purchased A set of 240S and 150M. My room is 11.5 feet wide by 14 feet long with floor to ceiling black out curtains at the back of the room. I would like to get a set of 280F’s for the fronts or would that be overkill? Or I could go with a pair of 260F’s. My channel will be a RP-450C and I will eventually purchase an SVS sub. Not sure if the 280s would match up with my other surrounds given my room size. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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Get the 280Fs and eliminate the “what if”

Won’t be overkill.
Agree. Especially since you won't have a sub for a while.


Thank you both for the quick reply I appreciate your help. It’s great to hear because I really wanted to go with The 280F’s but was worried that the room was too small. Will pick them up after work today. Hoping when I save up enough that the PB12-NSD Will be back in stock somewhere. Last night they had a couple left available on Amazon.
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Won’t be overkill.
I agree also.....bigger is usually always better!
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