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The problem is that I upgraded to the 450 from a 14 yr old little puny center that today cost $30. So clearly to me it sounds amazing.compared to that. But I wonder if there's anything better for the same price or if going something half the price would be a noticeable downgrade.

What would you say is the signature style of the 450... bright, flat, neutral etc etc?
The Rp250c should provide a similar experience for less money. It won't be able to play as loudly, but I don't think you are really giving up much beyond that.

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Help with L/R

Hi all -

Long time lurker, infrequent poster here...

I have a unique setup in my basement “escape room”. My 150” screen basically runs floor to ceiling and has limited space on either side. I’m working with 18 inches under the screen and 6-8 inches left and right. I recently upgraded my setup which was very old paradigm monitor 9s laying on their sides on the floor angled up and old Klipsch SS surrounds. The sound was loud but lacked direction as probably expected. I replaced everything and now have the following:

RP450 Center (below screen)
RP140SA at ceiling height about 8 feet from seating and 6 feet from screen
RP240 Surrounds
12 inch Klipsch sub (can’t remember the model... RW112 or something like that)

I absolutely love the sound dimension added by the upgraded surrounds and especially the FH/Atmos speakers.

My struggle is with the L/R. I cannot fit towers. It is impossible and I don’t want to compromise the screen placement or size. I ended up going with the new-ish RP-640D as they fit left and right of the screen. Jury is still out on these though. Sometimes they seem fine. Other times they feel lacking power. They were $500 each and I’m now wondering if I’d be better off with something like the RP-160M but they would have to be at floor level and aimed up slightly.

Long story - short question... how bad of an idea is it to use the RP-160M at floor level in a setup like this? I’m attaching a picture from behind the seating that shows the left right and you can see where the Atmos speakers are up top. Still a work in progress so excuse the dangling wires and the fact that the center is sitting on another center at the moment.
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When you say the corner, I picture a TV stand in the corner, with a 50 inch TV, and speakers against it on either side with the center in the middle. So like 4 ft between the speakers, and I don't think that's going to work lol.
Thanks for your insights. I have attached a pic of my corner setup. The TV is a 60inch and distance from L to R is around 8 feet. It's not ideal but it's the best setup in the living room without interfering the windows, foot traffic and WAF. lol

Anyway, went to audition the 260F+450C; Wharfedale 225+240C and finally RP160M+250C with Onkyo 646 at the store's room, around 30' x 30', no subwoofer and surrounds. I just want to hear the LCR. Impressions:
1. 260F/450C - Sound is big and wide and powerful but I find them painful when loud. I guess Im just very sensitive to such. A little off axis and it is perfect but at the back of my mind, the speakers are just too big for my place.
2. Wharfedales - just lacking in dynamics, boring lol
3. 160M + 250C - it just felt good to me, balanced and the explosions in the dolby atmos disc puts a smile to my face. I also tried playing RATM's Wake up and just wow! That is without a subwoofer yet. So there goes, brought them home. :-)

Recommendations now needed for atmos, then new sub (have an old 10" velodynes) then new surrounds.
1. For atmos (5.1.2 only) - is it better to go to ceiling directly? any klipsch models for such or I can get away with B&W 362 (around $200 per pair here). ceiling needs work though i can opt for the 140SA ($500)
2. Sub - R 112 or SVS PB1000? I heard SVS is best bang but R112 is copper :-)
3. Surrounds - looks like RP 150M is the best option?
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The problem is that I upgraded to the 450 from a 14 yr old little puny center that today cost $30. So clearly to me it sounds amazing.compared to that. But I wonder if there's anything better for the same price or if going something half the price would be a noticeable downgrade.

What would you say is the signature style of the 450... bright, flat, neutral etc etc?
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The objective is to timbre match your front stage so pans are natural and consistent. The question is what are your L and R mains? In this thread, it’s assumed you have Klipsch mains. It’s usually best to choose a center of the same brand to achieve this goal.
Of course the current center will sound better than very old small center, as with anything and everything else.

Like Gene says, if you have RP series mains then RP series is where your center should be. Of course there are better centers out there but it will cost you money....in the Klipsch lineup you have RF7 IIIs with center being RC64III to match.

But if you are in the RP lineup and supposedly you have RP280 mains, the very best center would be another RP280 to have all 3 LCR exact same speaker....next best is RP450c.

So you want all 3 front speakers same model if possible and if you can afford it.

Naturally the RP450c would be on the bright side in general compared to soft dome tweeters, etc cause it uses a horn technology, but its more on neutral side compared to lower end klipsch lines if that make sense. Room treatments, treble control will help if you find it too bright for your taste. I find mine perfect using room treatments and I have hardwood floors/bright room in general.
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Hi all -

Long time lurker, infrequent poster here...

I have a unique setup in my basement “escape room”. My 150” screen basically runs floor to ceiling and has limited space on either side. I’m working with 18 inches under the screen and 6-8 inches left and right. I recently upgraded my setup which was very old paradigm monitor 9s laying on their sides on the floor angled up and old Klipsch SS surrounds. The sound was loud but lacked direction as probably expected. I replaced everything and now have the following:

RP450 Center (below screen)
RP140SA at ceiling height about 8 feet from seating and 6 feet from screen
RP240 Surrounds
12 inch Klipsch sub (can’t remember the model... RW112 or something like that)

I absolutely love the sound dimension added by the upgraded surrounds and especially the FH/Atmos speakers.

My struggle is with the L/R. I cannot fit towers. It is impossible and I don’t want to compromise the screen placement or size. I ended up going with the new-ish RP-640D as they fit left and right of the screen. Jury is still out on these though. Sometimes they seem fine. Other times they feel lacking power. They were $500 each and I’m now wondering if I’d be better off with something like the RP-160M but they would have to be at floor level and aimed up slightly.
I thinking having the RP160s near the floor angled up to ears at MLP will work with your situation.
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Thanks for your insights. I have attached a pic of my corner setup. The TV is a 60inch and distance from L to R is around 8 feet. It's not ideal but it's the best setup in the living room without interfering the windows, foot traffic and WAF. lol

Anyway, went to audition the 260F+450C; Wharfedale 225+240C and finally RP160M+250C with Onkyo 646 at the store's room, around 30' x 30', no subwoofer and surrounds. I just want to hear the LCR. Impressions:
1. 260F/450C - Sound is big and wide and powerful but I find them painful when loud. I guess Im just very sensitive to such. A little off axis and it is perfect but at the back of my mind, the speakers are just too big for my place.
2. Wharfedales - just lacking in dynamics, boring lol
3. 160M + 250C - it just felt good to me, balanced and the explosions in the dolby atmos disc puts a smile to my face. I also tried playing RATM's Wake up and just wow! That is without a subwoofer yet. So there goes, brought them home. :-)

Recommendations now needed for atmos, then new sub (have an old 10" velodynes) then new surrounds.
1. For atmos (5.1.2 only) - is it better to go to ceiling directly? any klipsch models for such or I can get away with B&W 362 (around $200 per pair here). ceiling needs work though i can opt for the 140SA ($500)
2. Sub - R 112 or SVS PB1000? I heard SVS is best bang but R112 is copper :-)
3. Surrounds - looks like RP 150M is the best option?
I agree 160m is more than enough in that room....even the smaller and cheaper 150m would still work nicely.

For the sub, Klipsch is not bad....its just that you can spend the same money and get a better sub.....look at HSU and svs subs under $1000.
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got my rc-64iii today, this speaker is massive, anyone have an idea on how to wall mount it?
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I flipped my L brackets so the speakers itself is hiding them, as opposed to the bracket brace being below. I’ll upload a pic later. But it looks like a floating shelf at that point.

Your 64 is wide enough to pick up a couple of studs. I hit two for my 62 and it’s plenty sturdy.
Here is my unfinished product. I built the shelf around the brackets, but you could do whatever you want there. It's plenty sturdy with three 12in L brackets flipped. She isn't going anywhere.

My wife actually asked that i make the shelf wider so she can put non-speaker crap on there as well. IDK, i told her I'm pretty busy at the moment, maybe later......
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Klipsch 7.1 Recommendations

I'm looking to buy brand new speakers for my 7.1 home theater and I would like to know what Klipsch owners recommend. In my set up I would like 1 center, 2 front, 4 surrounds (2 on the side facing seating and 2 on the back wall). My budget is $2K-4K but the cheaper (without sacrificing quality) the better!
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Here is my unfinished product. I built the shelf around the brackets, but you could do whatever you want there. It's plenty sturdy with three 12in L brackets flipped. She isn't going anywhere.

My wife actually asked that i make the shelf wider so she can put non-speaker crap on there as well. IDK, i told her I'm pretty busy at the moment, maybe later......
Non-speaker crap...sweet. Tell her said crap would just vibrate off and fall and break. That's been my experience!

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I'm looking to buy brand new speakers for my 7.1 home theater and I would like to know what Klipsch owners recommend. In my set up I would like 1 center, 2 front, 4 surrounds (2 on the side facing seating and 2 on the back wall). My budget is $2K-4K but the cheaper (without sacrificing quality) the better!
And therein lies the dilemma...cheap quality! Couldn't help myself...but I am sure you will find something.

My set up now is 2x RF 82's, RC 62, 4 RS 42 II's. I enjoy the sound for movies, games and music.

Those easily fall in you lower to mid budget. I also have 2 subs and 4 ceiling ATMOS speakers (which added $3500 to the pile).

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for atmos in-ceiling, anybody used the CDT-3650 II already? Im glad that it is readily available here. I have a flat concrete ceiling but I really want to do in-ceiling than risk not being contented with atmos-enabled 140SA. I plan to do like the one attached in the picture with the speakers at the sides. :-)
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Klipsch R-28F

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This is my first post on AVS forum. I am in process of building a home theater. I found a guy on craigslist selling Klipsch R-28f speakers, $500 for a pair. How do I check the authenticity of the speakers. Have anybody come across fake Klipsch products? He says, he got those from Storage Locker auctions. Should I trust these speakers?
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This is my first post on AVS forum. I am in process of building a home theater. I found a guy on craigslist selling Klipsch R-28f speakers, $500 for a pair. How do I check the authenticity of the speakers. Have anybody come across fake Klipsch products? He says, he got those from Storage Locker auctions. Should I trust these speakers?
Listen to them first and if they are NOT beat up $500.00 for the pair seems good to me. They retail for $450.00 each plus freight or tax . I have never heard of fake Reference Klipsch like I have with Klipsch ear buds etc. If you are not use to HORN mid/tweeter towers they can sound a little BRIGHT or voice out in front for just music (add sub) vs ribbon tweeter and cone mids,but that is what room eq/tone controls cures.
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I listened the Quintet V+R-8SW combo yesterday and it was not bad for 500 euros so how come that the Quintet V is not popular in this price range for small rooms? For the SVS Prime Satellite 5.1 System price (here it's 1200 euros) you can buy this set and a decent mid-range AVR and Panasonic 4K player, I'm not sure if it's worth to stretch budget for SVS or similar set

So can somebody tell why the Quintet is a no go?
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I listened the Quintet V+R-8SW combo yesterday and it was not bad for 500 euros so how come that the Quintet V is not popular in this price range for small rooms? For the SVS Prime Satellite 5.1 System price (here it's 1200 euros) you can buy this set and a decent mid-range AVR and Panasonic 4K player, I'm not sure if it's worth to stretch budget for SVS or similar set

So can somebody tell why the Quintet is a no go?
The Quintet is a fine entry level system for a small room. Most of us have upgraded SO many times they are garage speakers to most of now. Not everyone goes BIG on their first system but if you CAN afford to spend more Klipsch has other option too.
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The Quintet is a fine entry level system for a small room. Most of us have upgraded SO many times they are garage speakers to most of now. Not everyone goes BIG on their first system but if you CAN afford to spend more Klipsch has other option too.
I know that but people on AVS almost never recommend Klipsch speakers at any price. And I've listened many systems at that price point and this one sounded the best at least during this short period.

My ears want better too, it was just killing time in a store while waiting for a friend but I'm surprised that this quality is accessible for 500 euros and maybe not worth to double the budget for occasional movie watchers.
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Hello Klipsch owners. I’m a little paranoid I may have damaged my speakers and just looking for a little re-assurance from experienced Klipsch owners. I have rp-160m mains and rp-450c center. I was running a bunch of rew testing primarily trying to blend my subs and speakers. I had a target spl of about 90db which was about -10 from reference on my AVR. I mostly was running combined sweeps of center or mains with subs but ran one sweep of the center and one sweep of the mains full range without crossed to subs but overlooked changing the low frequency end and it was starting at 20hz, well below what they should be playing. Sweeps were only 5 seconds each. I recall hearing some woofer flapping especially from the center. Anyone think that would have caused any possible damage to the drivers? I don’t notice anything obvious so far and at some point I know I could actually close mic measure the speakers but until then just asking more experienced Klipsch owners for an opinion. Thanks.

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I thinking having the RP160s near the floor angled up to ears at MLP will work with your situation.
Thanks for the reply. They weren’t even out of the box 30 minutes and I knew this was the answer. Plus it’s saving me almost $600.
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Thanks for the reply. They weren’t even out of the box 30 minutes and I knew this was the answer. Plus it’s saving me almost $600.
Glad you got it worked out! Also you could do 3rd RP160 for the center if you wanted to save money over the center you have. That way you have 3 identical speakers across the board. You may or may not like it over the current center.
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Hello Klipsch owners. I’m a little paranoid I may have damaged my speakers and just looking for a little re-assurance from experienced Klipsch owners. I have rp-160m mains and rp-450c center. I was running a bunch of rew testing primarily trying to blend my subs and speakers. I had a target spl of about 90db which was about -10 from reference on my AVR. I mostly was running combined sweeps of center or mains with subs but ran one sweep of the center and one sweep of the mains full range without crossed to subs but overlooked changing the low frequency end and it was starting at 20hz, well below what they should be playing. Sweeps were only 5 seconds each. I recall hearing some woofer flapping especially from the center. Anyone think that would have caused any possible damage to the drivers? I don’t notice anything obvious so far and at some point I know I could actually close mic measure the speakers but until then just asking more experienced Klipsch owners for an opinion. Thanks.
I think you'll be fine, -10 isn't too hot. If something was wrong you would have noticed it instantly.

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Advice needed. My setup is a bit unconventional with piece meal parts, hand me downs, and placement. So, here goes.
This is my living room.

Room: 2640 cubit ft., 8 ft ceilings with beams running crossways
TV on short wall
Surrounds on back wall due to glass doors on left side of seating area.
Back wall is open to kitchen through archway (I know the sub can't pressurize all that space effectively, I'm just looking for accurate sound reproduction)

Klipsch F3's in front
Klipsch Icon center
RS 42ii for surrounds (placed high on back wall)
RB10 for Atmos (front height)
Jamo J112 on front wall between F3 placement.

I have two questions/need advice

1. I have found two center replacements within budget that I am considering. Both Open box with warranty. RP 250c and RC 62ii. I upgrade one piece anually (per WAF) and the mains are next. Which of those two would blend better for the F3's. My goal is to get a 6 inch version of the reference whatever next year or at black friday if the deals are good with the new line coming out.

2.As for my surrounds, would it be better to move them down on the wall, ~2ft above ear level, or move to a position high on the wall left and right of the seating area? 2ft above ear level left and right of seating area is not doable due to the glass doors on left hand side and WAF will not let speaker stands be in the main room.


Thanks for any advice. Been following you guys and gals for about a year and have really appreciated the advice.

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1. I have found two center replacements within budget that I am considering. Both Open box with warranty. RP 250c and RC 62ii. I upgrade one piece anually (per WAF) and the mains are next. Which of those two would blend better for the F3's. My goal is to get a 6 inch version of the reference whatever next year or at black friday if the deals are good with the new line coming out.
If you are planning on getting RP mains next year, get the RP 250c, otherwise the RC62 II will probably match F3's better, but that is just a guess on my part. I would get the 250c, with the idea of getting a pair of RP-160 or RP-260f next year.

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Advice needed. My setup is a bit unconventional with piece meal parts, hand me downs, and placement. So, here goes.
This is my living room.

Room: 2640 cubit ft., 8 ft ceilings with beams running crossways
TV on short wall
Surrounds on back wall due to glass doors on left side of seating area.
Back wall is open to kitchen through archway (I know the sub can't pressurize all that space effectively, I'm just looking for accurate sound reproduction)

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Jamo J112 on front wall between F3 placement.

I have two questions/need advice

1. I have found two center replacements within budget that I am considering. Both Open box with warranty. RP 250c and RC 62ii. I upgrade one piece anually (per WAF) and the mains are next. Which of those two would blend better for the F3's. My goal is to get a 6 inch version of the reference whatever next year or at black friday if the deals are good with the new line coming out.

2.As for my surrounds, would it be better to move them down on the wall, ~2ft above ear level, or move to a position high on the wall left and right of the seating area? 2ft above ear level left and right of seating area is not doable due to the glass doors on left hand side and WAF will not let speaker stands be in the main room.


Thanks for any advice. Been following you guys and gals for about a year and have really appreciated the advice.

Chris
1. I think the RC62ll would better match your F3 for center duty, actually the RC62ll is probably a better center overall than the RP250c.

2. I think higher on the wall but in the correct position for surround would work better than having them the correct height, but in the wrong position. Can you try out both positions and hear what each way sounds like in your room? You can get creative and use ladders to position your speakers.

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If you are planning on getting RP mains next year, get the RP 250c, otherwise the RC62 II will probably match F3's better, but that is just a guess on my part. I would get the 250c, with the idea of getting a pair of RP-160 or RP-260f next year.
Thanks for the reply. That's what I'm leaning towards. Just don't want to miss an opportunity if the rc62ii is that much better than the 250c. I prefer to buy tech forward, not back, unless it is vintage.

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1. I think the RC62ll would better match your F3 for center duty, actually the RC62ll is probably a better center overall than the RP250c.
Interesting. Currently we are watching movies near the limits of our Denon cause we struggle to hear the voices. Multiple rounds with Audyssey, speaker placements and gain adjustments didn't help. So we decided to tackle the center first since this primarily a Movie/TV system (90tv/10music). Would you say the RC 62ii is better due to size and output, or just better sounding in general?

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2. I think higher on the wall but in the correct position for surround would work better than having them the correct height, but in the wrong position. Can you try out both positions and hear what each way sounds like in your room? You can get creative and use ladders to position your speakers.
I can definitely try that. Would it be better to aim the speakers down towards MLP or leave the facing each other?

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Interesting. Currently we are watching movies near the limits of our Denon cause we struggle to hear the voices. Multiple rounds with Audyssey, speaker placements and gain adjustments didn't help. So we decided to tackle the center first since this primarily a Movie/TV system (90tv/10music). Would you say the RC 62ii is better due to size and output, or just better sounding in general?



I can definitely try that. Would it be better to aim the speakers down towards MLP or leave the facing each other?
Again, you can play with positioning until you find what sounds best in your room with your speakers. I would think aiming them down towards you might sound better.

Also, I didn't read correctly about you upgrading to newer towers in the next year or so. If you might go with the current RP line for towers, drh3b's advice of getting the RP250c would be better. An unmatched center of better quality probably won't blend in as well as a matched center.
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Hello Klipsch owners. I’m a little paranoid I may have damaged my speakers and just looking for a little re-assurance from experienced Klipsch owners. I have rp-160m mains and rp-450c center. I was running a bunch of rew testing primarily trying to blend my subs and speakers. I had a target spl of about 90db which was about -10 from reference on my AVR. I mostly was running combined sweeps of center or mains with subs but ran one sweep of the center and one sweep of the mains full range without crossed to subs but overlooked changing the low frequency end and it was starting at 20hz, well below what they should be playing. Sweeps were only 5 seconds each. I recall hearing some woofer flapping especially from the center. Anyone think that would have caused any possible damage to the drivers? I don’t notice anything obvious so far and at some point I know I could actually close mic measure the speakers but until then just asking more experienced Klipsch owners for an opinion. Thanks.

You should be fine. Your speakers internal crossover should have protected them. If you were using REW's default setting of -12 + AVR-10 then you were in a safe range. Sounds like you are doing the sub distance tweak. You don't need high volumes to do that, but you were in a safe range anyway.

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Interesting. Currently we are watching movies near the limits of our Denon cause we struggle to hear the voices. Multiple rounds with Audyssey, speaker placements and gain adjustments didn't help. So we decided to tackle the center first since this primarily a Movie/TV system (90tv/10music). Would you say the RC 62ii is better due to size and output, or just better sounding in general?
Have you tried boosting just the center 3-6dB? I don't think turning all speakers up in volume is going to help much. When you run Audyssey are you keeping the mic locations close to the first position like 1 foot from the center in all directions. Are you also keeping therm close to head position and using a boom stand? you don't want to position the mic where your butt sits, you want it back where your head is.

One thing to consider on the center is the RC 62II is front ported and the 250C is rear ported. The same I believe is true for the new 6" bookshelves. The older RB-61II are front ported. This might be beneficial depending on placement restrictions. Nothing wrong buying last generation models especially if on a tight budget. The RB-61 is no joke, especially if utilizing a decent subwoofer. Shoot if you could fit a RB-61II as a center I would say get three of those for your front LCR speakers and you would have a nice upgrade in sound.
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You should be fine. Your speakers internal crossover should have protected them. If you were using REW's default setting of -12 + AVR-10 then you were in a safe range. Sounds like you are doing the sub distance tweak. You don't need high volumes to do that, but you were in a safe range anyway.
Thanks. I figured it was fine. Just in case I did run close mic sweeps of the drivers. All looked fine. Just out of curiosity how would internal crossover protect woofers from the very lowest frequencies? I thought it just appropriately distributes to tweeter or woofer. Does it also have a high pass filter for the very low end?

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Have you tried boosting just the center 3-6dB? I don't think turning all speakers up in volume is going to help much. When you run Audyssey are you keeping the mic locations close to the first position like 1 foot from the center in all directions. Are you also keeping therm close to head position and using a boom stand? you don't want to position the mic where your butt sits, you want it back where your head is.

One thing to consider on the center is the RC 62II is front ported and the 250C is rear ported. The same I believe is true for the new 6" bookshelves. The older RB-61II are front ported. This might be beneficial depending on placement restrictions. Nothing wrong buying last generation models especially if on a tight budget. The RB-61 is no joke, especially if utilizing a decent subwoofer. Shoot if you could fit a RB-61II as a center I would say get three of those for your front LCR speakers and you would have a nice upgrade in sound.
I have tried boosting dialog to no avail. Once I get to -20db or so, I lose the center into the L/R. Everything is tuned with Audyssey per the Audyssey thread in this forum somewhere, with the exception of the boom mic. Still using the cardboard equivalent.

Regarding the RC 62ii, I'm thinking with this center being in a cabinet with a semi open back, the forward ports will sound better and fill the sound in more. Everything system wise is crossed at 80, except the mains are at 60hz. I debated the third bookshelf as a option, and I don't have the space for it.

Would a move to RB 61ii be a good match to the RC 62ii over my current F3's?

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