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Thanks for the replies guys.

I asked this question because i agree, every room is different. In my room I chose for a 60hz crossover on all speakers, except for the height channels. I’ve tried different crossovers, but 60hz is the best sounding in MY room. It keeps the bass tighter than higher crossovers. 100hz is the next best thing, but the bass can sound too boomy on my subs.

For the record, I don’t use Audyssey eq, only it’s distance and level settings. I have four RP-280s, a 450C center, two RP-140SA’s and two R-115SW’s and a Marantz 7011 AVR.

The center channel has a stable sound from 40hz and up after measurements. So there is no hole in the frequency spectrum.

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Thanks for the replies guys.

I asked this question because i agree, every room is different. In my room I chose for a 60hz crossover on all speakers, except for the height channels. I’ve tried different crossovers, but 60hz is the best sounding in MY room. It keeps the bass tighter than higher crossovers. 100hz is the next best thing, but the bass can sound too boomy on my subs.

For the record, I don’t use Audyssey eq, only it’s distance and level settings. I have four RP-280s, a 450C center, two RP-140SA’s and two R-115SW’s and a Marantz 7011 AVR.

The center channel has a stable sound from 40hz and up after measurements. So there is no hole in the frequency spectrum.
Why would you not use Audyssey? XT32 is one of the best EQ's out and a big reason to choose the AVR you have.

The issues you are hearing would probably be addressed somewhat by Audyssey.

I recommend downloading the MultEQ app and using it to run the calibration. You can then use the app to tailor the sound

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Why would you not use Audyssey? XT32 is one of the best EQ's out and a big reason to choose the AVR you have.



The issues you are hearing would probably be addressed somewhat by Audyssey.



I recommend downloading the MultEQ app and using it to run the calibration. You can then use the app to tailor the sound


Already tried that several times and my conclusion is that Audyssey butchers the sound of my speakers.

I also used the bass correction under the Schroeder frequency, but I also didn’t like the way it sounded.

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Already tried that several times and my conclusion is that Audyssey butchers the sound of my speakers.

I also used the bass correction under the Schroeder frequency, but I also didn’t like the way it sounded.
Then you really need to buy a measurement microphone and use REW to see what is going on. Using the app will actually show you graphs and allow you to make changes.

have you tried using the app?

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Then you really need to buy a measurement microphone and use REW to see what is going on. Using the app will actually show you graphs and allow you to make changes.



have you tried using the app?


Yes a dozen of times. Didn’t like it.

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Why would you not use Audyssey? XT32 is one of the best EQ's out and a big reason to choose the AVR you have.

The issues you are hearing would probably be addressed somewhat by Audyssey.

I recommend downloading the MultEQ app and using it to run the calibration. You can then use the app to tailor the sound
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Already tried that several times and my conclusion is that Audyssey butchers the sound of my speakers.

I also used the bass correction under the Schroeder frequency, but I also didn’t like the way it sounded.
I'm not trolling and have no interest in starting a debate here. But despite all the marketing hype and D+M owner preferences here, not everyone is a fan of Audyssey. The overall value of Audyssey and RC systems in general is highly dependent on room characteristics/acoustics and personal tastes/preferences. Like all things...some like Audyssey and some do not. Many people would never consider an amp or processor w/o Audyssey while others have an opposing viewpoint...

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I'm not trolling and have no interest in starting a debate here. But despite all the marketing hype and D+M owner preferences here, not everyone is a fan of Audyssey. The overall value of Audyssey and RC systems in general is highly dependent on room characteristics/acoustics and personal tastes/preferences. Like all things...some like Audyssey and some do not. Many people would never consider an amp or processor w/o Audyssey while others have an opposing viewpoint...

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i really love the dynamic volume and always set it to light on my onkyo 818 it s almost like a bass fullness ,does the newer onkyo s have that i wonder? i do admit i i love audyssey cal and in my room it does the job ...i am looking to buy the onkyo tx-rz820 and i will only do 7.1 channels not atmos and at 699 $ that is a great deal and might even go lower as the onks 830 coming out ....again i am wondering about the accu eq and if the new onks have that dynamic volume or loudness plus or whatever you call it now a days .
really sad that there isn't a proper forum for the onkyo x20 to as or get more info

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i really love the dynamic volume and always set it to light on my onkyo 818 it s almost like a bass fullness ,does the newer onkyo s have that i wonder? i do admit i i love audyssey cal and in my room it does the job ...i am looking to buy the onkyo tx-rz820 and i will only do 7.1 channels not atmos and at 699 $ that is a great deal and might even go lower as the onks 830 coming out ....again i am wondering about the accu eq and if the new onks have that dynamic volume or loudness plus or whatever you call it now a days .
really sad that there isn't a proper forum for the onkyo x20 to as or get more info
Your question is OT in this thread. You will be better served in the Onkyo TX-RZ920 thread and particularly starting with the linked post below. The discussion in this thread covers owners who have replaced their 802, 818, and others in favor of the 920. Although the 820 performs well, most tend to favor the 920 due to its good value (< $1000 street) and it's closeness in DNA to the 1100 and 3100. Also, I can't speak for the 820 but the 920 does indeed have "Loudness Plus" which is associated with its THX certification.

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BTW: There is a dedicated 620/720/820 thread but it's not very active.

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I have decided to go with the RP-280F along with a 450C center. I am placing the speakers inside a bookshelf type of unit, so I was wondering how close is to close. The speakers will be approx. 50 inches apart, Is that to close to each other?
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I have decided to go with the RP-280F along with a 450C center. I am placing the speakers inside a bookshelf type of unit, so I was wondering how close is to close. The speakers will be approx. 50 inches apart, Is that to close to each other?
If you talking about distance between tower - center - tower 50" on each side then you are good to go. I tought for second towers will be 50" a part and center between that will be bad

I have mine 40" from center on each side and I can't complain. If I have bigger room I will set them more a part but I don't now.

Happy to hear you decide to go with big guys, you will love them !!!! Congrat's !!!
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Over the weekend I invited a friend over to watch Thor Ragnarok. We both were THOROUGHLY impressed with the performance of the RF-7 III, RC-64 III and the Dual SB-16's.

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Good review but you may want to invest in REW to see how the frequency response is to see where or why you're not feeling the pressurization of the svs subs. Not all subwoofers will have same frequency response in the same exact spot. What I mean is, the Klipsch sub may sound good where you normally have it....but if you put svs sub or another sub for that matter in exact same spot, it could have different freq response and would require to move it forward, back, etc., or possibly in different part of the room for it to sound its best. Just my experience with different brand subs that it takes trial and error. Would be so nice to simply swap subs if they all perform best in exact same location but of course the room will have an effect on that.

Not sure if you are familiar with REW....its free and only need to buy a mic. Great $100 investment if you really want to know whats going on other than judging by feel or ear.

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Thank you for the suggestions. I plan on ordering the UMIK-1 prior to a friend who will be visiting for a week in May since he is familiar with REW (at least to some extent) and is going to show me what he knows. I'm continually learning and am realizing through my testings with the RSW-15 and SB-16 that placement does have a great effect on how a speaker performs. I initially thought that swapping subs in the same location would provide the most accurate results of how well they compare but like you mentioned, I'm discovering best placement in a room can be different between subs. I'm grateful for the various audio communities I'm involved in as I continually learn from guys that are much more knowledgeable than I.
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Thank you for the suggestions. I plan on ordering the UMIK-1 prior to a friend who will be visiting for a week in May since he is familiar with REW (at least to some extent) and is going to show me what he knows. I'm continually learning and am realizing through my testings with the RSW-15 and SB-16 that placement does have a great effect on how a speaker performs. I initially thought that swapping subs in the same location would provide the most accurate results of how well they compare but like you mentioned, I'm discovering best placement in a room can be different between subs. I'm grateful for the various audio communities I'm involved in as I continually learn from guys that are much more knowledgeable than I.
Hi Michael...If I may make a suggestion, an excellent post and read by member @mthomas47 (also Mike) will provide a solid and informative foundation for your friend's visit next month. I'll be following your videos with interest...keep up the excellent contributions!

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Hi Michael...If I may make a suggestion, an excellent post and read by member @mthomas47 (also Mike) will provide s solid and informative foundation for your friend's visit next month. I'll be following your videos with interest...keep up the excellent contribution!

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Thank you, Gene! I am also following some of the videos with interest, and I appreciate the hard work that goes into them.

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Over the weekend I invited a friend over to watch Thor Ragnarok. We both were THOROUGHLY impressed with the performance of the RF-7 III, RC-64 III and the Dual SB-16's.

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This would be a awesome Klipsch Sub to audition with your LaScala's. http://assets.klipsch.com/product-sp...-Sheet-v04.pdf
Your HT room is really nice looking as I am looking at different HT rooms for ideas when we remodel our attached two car garage for my HT room.

Size of the cabinet and the price make it unpractical for most us that are retired and down sized our home. Keep posting the videos will see how you like the ported SVS 16.
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I just received my Klipsch RP-280F and RP-450C center. My sub is the SVS PS4000. Can anyone with a similar set up or just have knowledge of the attached give me some suggestions how I should set them up. I am guessing large front and small center at 80 hertz. Thanks in advance.
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I just received my Klipsch RP-280F and RP-450C center. My sub is the SVS PS4000. Can anyone with a similar set up or just have knowledge of the attached give me some suggestions how I should set them up. I am guessing large front and small center at 80 hertz. Thanks in advance.
Start off with everything small, and crossover at 80 Hz. While your RP-280f can do a credible job down to about 35 Hz, they can't compete with a good subwoofer like the SVS 4000. If you can localize the bass, you may want to bring the crossover to 60 Hz for the RP280F, but I'd start at 80 Hz.
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I just received my Klipsch RP-280F and RP-450C center. My sub is the SVS PS4000. Can anyone with a similar set up or just have knowledge of the attached give me some suggestions how I should set them up. I am guessing large front and small center at 80 hertz. Thanks in advance.
First off CONGRAT's and welcome to Klipsch family . Start at 80hz is great start point but since you have bad a.. subwoofer I will for sure set all front stage as small. I know you will say how come this hufe RP-280F can be set up as small but trust me my RF-7II's are set up as small with PC-12subs. For 2 channel music no sub then yes make them large.

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I just received my Klipsch RP-280F and RP-450C center. My sub is the SVS PS4000. Can anyone with a similar set up or just have knowledge of the attached give me some suggestions how I should set them up. I am guessing large front and small center at 80 hertz. Thanks in advance.
Assuming you have a D+M AVR and using Audyssey. As a start, begin by setting your L, C, and R all to "small." and crossover at 80Hz. The large and small designation does not refer to the physical size of the speakers. To understand why and also to gain basic knowledge for setting up room correction with your speakers and in particular your subwoofer, please take the time to read the post by @mthomas47 at the link below. It will provide the knowledge and confidence moving forward with this great journey and hobby. After digesting Mike's post, absolutely feel free to post any further questions. The members here are always more than willing to help.

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Edit: I see that a couple of members have already provided similar advice! BTW: Is that an PB4000 or PC4000?
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For 2 channel music no sub then yes make them large.
I personally like to listen to music, 2 and multi channel with the subwoofers on. I think this is the type of thing that is individual preference.
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I personally like to listen to music, 2 and multi channel with the subwoofers on. I think this is the type of thing that is individual preference.
I agree with you 100%. Sometimes I really love just RF-7II's no sub involved sometimes with subs. I think sometimes it is type of music and sometimes I really want to push my RF-7II's and see what they can do if is time for workout.
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I agree with you 100%. Sometimes I really love just RF-7II's no sub involved sometimes with subs. I think sometimes it is type of music and sometimes I really want to push my RF-7II's and see what they can do if is time for workout.
+1 I do both...music and music type dependent.
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Assuming you have a D+M AVR and using Audyssey. As a start, begin by setting your L, C, and R all to "small." and crossover at 80Hz. The large and small designation does not refer to the physical size of the speakers. To understand why and also to gain basic knowledge for setting up room correction with your speakers and in particular your subwoofer, please take the time to read the post by @mthomas47 at the link below. It will provide the knowledge and confidence moving forward with this great journey and hobby. After digesting Mike's post, absolutely feel free to post any further questions. The members here are always more than willing to help.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-su...eferences.html

Edit: I see that a couple of members have already provided similar advice! BTW: Is that an PB4000 or PC4000?
I agree . I remember when I was reading here and purchased RF-7II's first think when I opened boxes was I will never set up this big a.. speaker to small no matter what you guys saying . Look at me now as small as I can be with set up but must say thanks to SVS at my case.
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Personal preferences is huge factor in sound or even video no matter what we things is right for us or you or each other.
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I personally like to listen to music, 2 and multi channel with the subwoofers on. I think this is the type of thing that is individual preference.
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+1 I do both...music and music type dependent.
I used to listen to my RP280s full range without subs for music.....but now that has changed since I have moved my subs around and added a 3rd sub for a smooth flat bass response....now I keep subs on for music.

Also switching from 80hz to 100hz xover for movies fixed a lot of my nulls/dips I had in my bass response. Its funny how moving things around and changing few settings makes it sound like you got a huge system upgrade.
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First off CONGRAT's and welcome to Klipsch family . Start at 80hz is great start point but since you have bad a.. subwoofer I will for sure set all front stage as small. I know you will say how come this hufe RP-280F can be set up as small but trust me my RF-7II's are set up as small with PC-12subs. For 2 channel music no sub then yes make them large.

What AVR are you using?
Thanks for all the help and suggestions. I am running Marantez 7011 for the AVR, so I am guessing that will be more than enough to push what I have, am I right?
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