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Posted my DIY Klipsch project, nearly done. Drivers from R28F, HF horns/crossovers from RP280 and RW12D 12" for lower folded horn bass section.

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Text messages I received from my wife today while I was out at a conference:

“Black panther on our set up. The audio is crazy!!!”

“The waterfall scene... I’m looking around like wtf“

I felt really good about things at this point as she had been skeptical about the RF7IIs at first. Then...

“I feel like our tv is too small”

This is not an uncommon experience/observation. The enormous and spectacular sound stage created by today's speakers/subs and blockbuster action movies begs for an equally spectacular image to complete the immersive experience...otherwise, it's watching TV. For example, years ago, I could not reconcile the roar of the F-14 Tomcats in Top Gun or the thunderous stomp of the T-Rex in Jurassic Park with the little planes or baby dinosaurs on my 27" screen. Today, movies like, the Black Panther, Dunkirk, Blade Runner 2049, etc. beg for the same thing....a screen > than 100" This was the epiphany that put me on the path to projectors years ago. Some can accommodate the larger screen size with a dedicated theater room...basement, garage, utility room while others adapt with drop down screens in their living/family rooms. In any case, once experienced, there is no turning back or substitute for the cinematic "immersive experience" of a truly large projected image. The "WOW" factor will kick in and the "I feel like our TV is too small" comment will be long gone!

From time to time, this subject/observation does reappear...this was the beginning of a similar discussion in Dec last year.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-spe...l#post55309400
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My living room is in an open floor plan

Length of the whole kitchen, dining, and living room is approximately 45 feet long x 15 feet wide
Ceiling is 9 feet

Are R-24Fs enough or should I go with 28s?

For subs, 10s, 12s, or 15s?
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My living room is in an open floor plan

Length of the whole kitchen, dining, and living room is approximately 45 feet long x 15 feet wide
Ceiling is 9 feet

Are R-24Fs enough or should I go with 28s?

For subs, 10s, 12s, or 15s?
It really depends on how loud your preferred listening level is. Larger speakers are capable of playing louder in larger spaces. Relatively speaking, you have a large space. Your speakers will see a large space...not a living room, kitchen, and dining room. The larger the space, the larger the drivers necessary to adequately fill that space without distortion. Generally, the rule of thumb is to get as large as speaker and sub as your budget can accommodate. You can't do anything to push smaller inadequate speakers beyond its limits. However, you can always reduce the capabilities of a larger speaker. IMO, the 24's and a 10" sub are inadequate for your room. My recommendations for your space would be the 28's and minimally a 12" sub.
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It really depends on how loud your preferred listening level is. Larger speakers are capable of playing louder in larger spaces. Relatively speaking, you have a large space. Your speakers will see a large space...not a living room, kitchen, and dining room. The larger the space, the larger the drivers necessary to adequately fill that space without distortion. Generally, the rule of thumb is to get as large as speaker and sub as your budget can accommodate. You can't do anything to push smaller inadequate speakers beyond its limits. However, you can always reduce the capabilities of a larger speaker. IMO, the 24's and a 10" sub are inadequate for your room. My recommendations for your space would be the 28's and minimally a 12" sub.
That's what I was thinking. My preferred loudness for watching movies would be 3.5 (5 Highest: 1 Lowest). I have little ones at home.

Would you recommend this setup?

AVR - Denon AVR-X1400H

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SL A - RP-250S
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SR B - R-15M

S - R-12SW

I also have 5 available pre-cut & pre-wired for ceiling speakers.
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My preferred loudness for watching movies would be 3.5 (5 Highest: 1 Lowest). I have little ones at home.
You may want to listen to some of today's blockbuster movies or music at higher levels at times. Also, the little ones will (1) soon be big ones (2) be playing outdoors (3) at school (4) visiting/staying with grandma & grandpa, etc.

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Would you recommend this setup?

AVR - Denon AVR-X1400H

C - R-25C or RP-440C?
FR - R-28F
FL - R-28F
SL A - RP-250S
SR A - RP-250S
SL B - R-15M
SR B - R-15M

S - R-12SW

I also have 5 available pre-cut & pre-wired for ceiling speakers.
Generally speaking, it would be helpful to understand your preferences: Movies or Music, your ultimate objectives 5.1, 7.1. Atmos?, and of course your budget to receive recommendations for specific components & configurations.

1. Your objectives will determine the AVR to recommend.
2 It's recommended to build your system with the same series of speakers...either all R or RP series...to ensure best timbre matching across the configuration..but at least across the front sound stage (L,C,R)
3. Klipsch builds excellent speakers. However, you may want to also consider subs from ID companies as well...i.e. HSU, SVS, PSA, and Rythmik for example.

Once you establish clear objectives, it may better serve you to visit and post in the dedicated threads for AVRs and Subwoofers for example.
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You may want to listen to some of today's blockbuster movies or music at higher levels at times. Also, the little ones will (1) soon be big ones (2) be playing outdoors (3) at school (4) visiting/staying with grandma & grandpa, etc.



Generally speaking, it would be helpful to understand your preferences: Movies or Music, your ultimate objectives 5.1, 7.1. Atmos?, and of course your budget to receive recommendations for specific components & configurations.

1. Your objectives will determine the AVR to recommend.
2 It's recommended to build your system with the same series of speakers...either all R or RP series...to ensure best timbre matching across the configuration..but at least across the front sound stage (L,C,R)
3. Klipsch builds excellent speakers. However, you may want to also consider subs from ID companies as well...i.e. HSU, SVS, PSA, and Rythmik for example.

Once you establish clear objectives, it may better serve you to visit and post in the dedicated threads for AVRs and Subwoofers for example.
90% movies 10% music
7.1

I just got a Denon AVR-X1400H last night. It was on sale at Best Buy for $299.

I read that the Monolith 10 is outstanding.

Budget is $1,500.
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7.1

I just got a Denon AVR-X1400H last night. It was on sale at Best Buy for $299.

I read that the Monolith 10 is outstanding.

Budget is $1,500.
Excellent sale price for the 1400...IMO, a good entry level AVR and a wise buy. The Monoprice subs are relatively new and have not been tested long term yet but likely, as most Monoprice items are, a decent piece of equipment. In any case, a 10" sub is still a 10" sub (can't overcome physics) and may be "outstanding" in a smaller room but I would recommend the Monolith 12 (and maybe even two later) for your room. Anyway, you'll know what I mean if you continue to visit these threads and the upgrade bug grabs you! Also, keep in mind as you decide that conventional wisdom says spend the majority of your budget on speakers and subs and least on electronics. This pays off in the long run as technology moves fast these days and quickly reduces both the features and value of AVRs.
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That's what I was thinking. My preferred loudness for watching movies would be 3.5 (5 Highest: 1 Lowest). I have little ones at home.

Would you recommend this setup?

AVR - Denon AVR-X1400H

C - R-25C or RP-440C?
FR - R-28F
FL - R-28F
SL A - RP-250S
SR A - RP-250S
SL B - R-15M
SR B - R-15M

S - R-12SW

I also have 5 available pre-cut & pre-wired for ceiling speakers.
I responded to your sub question in the your other thread. So with a limited budget and a very large room, skip the towers, skip the rear surrounds, get a pair of Klipsch bookshelf speakers and put the savings toward more sub power. Either the pair of 12's your were contemplating or better yet the Klipsch 15 or HSU VTF2-MK5 or similar.

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I responded to your sub question in the your other thread. So with a limited budget and a very large room, skip the towers, skip the rear surrounds, get a pair of Klipsch bookshelf speakers and put the savings toward more sub power. Either the pair of 12's your were contemplating or better yet the Klipsch 15 or HSU VTF2-MK5 or similar.
It seems like the Monolith and HSU are better than Klipsch. But both are running for $500 each while I can get a pair of 12" Klipsch for the price of one when it's on sale.
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My open floor plan living room, dinning room, kitchen is 20'x30'. My hsu vtf2 mk5 sub is great for movies but not enough for music(I need another one). The area is just to big for the sub to fill. Same goes for my onkyo 4800 towers. I really need to replace them with the rp280f as soon as my budget allows.

Big areas need big speakers. It's an expensive lesson I have learned in the last year and a half.

So get the r28fs and at least a 12inch sub. You will be much happier in the long run l promise
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My open floor plan living room, dinning room, kitchen is 20'x30'. My hsu vtf2 mk5 sub is great for movies but not enough for music(I need another one). The area is just to big for the sub to fill. Same goes for my onkyo 4800 towers. I really need to replace them with the rp280f as soon as my budget allows.

Big areas need big speakers. It's an expensive lesson I have learned in the last year and a half.

So get the r28fs and at least a 12inch sub. You will be much happier in the long run l promise
That's actually my plan. 2 x R-28Fs and 2 x R-12SWs
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Big areas need big speakers. It's an expensive lesson I have learned in the last year and a half.

So get the r28fs and at least a 12inch sub. You will be much happier in the long run l promise
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My open floor plan living room, dinning room, kitchen is 20'x30'. My hsu vtf2 mk5 sub is great for movies but not enough for music(I need another one). The area is just to big for the sub to fill. Same goes for my onkyo 4800 towers. I really need to replace them with the rp280f as soon as my budget allows.

Big areas need big speakers. It's an expensive lesson I have learned in the last year and a half.

So get the r28fs and at least a 12inch sub. You will be much happier in the long run l promise
Only if you sit or listen from a great distance. At normal listening distance of say 9-12' big speakers are not needed. Money is better spent on subs.
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Only if you sit or listen from a great distance. At normal listening distance of say 9-12' big speakers are not needed. Money is better spent on subs.
I'm going to use it mostly on movies. So I'll be very close to the speakers. My viewing distance from TV is 13 feet. Ceiling is 9 feet.

In this case, should I opt for R-24Fs than R-28Fs?
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I'm going to use it mostly on movies. So I'll be very close to the speakers. My viewing distance from TV is 13 feet. Ceiling is 9 feet.

In this case, should I opt for R-24Fs than R-28Fs?
I get the RP bookshelfs instead even if they're the same price with stands. They're a better speaker.

But if you want towers, a pair of the R-24Fs with two good subs is going to sound much better than a pair of the R-28Fs and one mediocre sub.

I have towers in a smallish room because I like the way the look better, not so much for output as I typically run a 120hz crossover when watching movies at "spirited" levels.
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Text messages I received from my wife today while I was out at a conference:

“Black panther on our set up. The audio is crazy!!!”

“The waterfall scene... I’m looking around like wtf“

I felt really good about things at this point as she had been skeptical about the RF7IIs at first. Then...

“I feel like our tv is too small”

I love it, it is like my girlfriend when she roll her eyes when I sold RF-82II and got RF-7II's . After few movies she was sold that makes RF-7II's even more special. Same story was when I bought pair of SVS subs.

I don't know what TV do you have but I can tell you this: I agree 100% your TV is small

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I know this is totally out of Klipsch but want to share with my Klipsch friends here look at this pretty Technics system what I got home today. I will put it in classifieds in next few days I wish I have room for it but I can't pass to not try it for couple of days.
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I am subscribing to this owner thread since I finally pulled the trigger on the Klipsch RP-140SA from Amazon US yesterday.

I intend to put it on top of my Paradigm Studio 100 V5 floorstanders to start with.

Since the Klipsch RP-140SA can also be wall mounted, is anyone using it in the wall mount position. Is it better to have it front wall mounted or rear side wall mounted on a 5.1.2 setup, if I am not getting satisfactory results with it sitting on top of my floorstanding speakers?
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I am subscribing to this owner thread since I finally pulled the trigger on the Klipsch RP-140SA from Amazon US yesterday.

I intend to put it on top of my Paradigm Studio 100 V5 floorstanders to start with.

Since the Klipsch RP-140SA can also be wall mounted, is anyone using it in the wall mount position. Is it better to have it front wall mounted or rear side wall mounted on a 5.1.2 setup, if I am not getting satisfactory results with it sitting on top of my floorstanding speakers?
Noticed you've posted this question in the DAES thread as well...

There are installation guidelines with specifications and plenty of recommendations from members...but these are only starting points as most rooms have some constraints. There is no "one size fits all" because of the variation of room/ceiling characteristics and acoustical properties. The best and often recommended advice from folks in the Atmos threads is experimentation. It may require some time and trial and error but it's necessary to experiment with different locations and angles within your particular environment to maximize performance at the MLP.

Specifically with the RP-140SA's, I'm sure @itsmyforte will chime in as he's the designer of this speaker.
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I know this is totally out of Klipsch but want to share with my Klipsch friends here look at this pretty Technics system what I got home today. I will put it in classifieds in next few days I wish I have room for it but I can't pass to not try it for couple of days.
You should keep and put that retro system in another room.....afterall isn't that your name??? Looks like a very good condition...I'm guessing its late 80s early 90s model?

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Only if you sit or listen from a great distance. At normal listening distance of say 9-12' big speakers are not needed. Money is better spent on subs.
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I get the RP bookshelfs instead even if they're the same price with stands. They're a better speaker.

But if you want towers, a pair of the R-24Fs with two good subs is going to sound much better than a pair of the R-28Fs and one mediocre sub.

I have towers in a smallish room because I like the way the look better, not so much for output as I typically run a 120hz crossover when watching movies at "spirited" levels.
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Kini62's advice is sound (no pun intended) I concur with his suggestions. The greater portion of you budget should be spent on subs then followed by Klipsch bookcase speakers, center, and surrounds...if necessary, a piece at a time as budget allows. Since your preference is 90/10 movies to music, a good sub is an extremely important component of the system...makes or breaks those blockbuster action movies.

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You should keep and put that retro system in another room.....afterall isn't that your name??? Looks like a very good condition...I'm guessing its late 80s early 90s model?
You are right 👍, I have to take a look how old it is. It is really like new and ofcourse all made in Japan. It was fun to play with tape deck yesterday and listening Queen on tape 😂. It has been very long time since I did last time.

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I know this is totally out of Klipsch but want to share with my Klipsch friends here look at this pretty Technics system what I got home today. I will put it in classifieds in next few days I wish I have room for it but I can't pass to not try it for couple of days.
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You should keep and put that retro system in another room.....afterall isn't that your name??? Looks like a very good condition...I'm guessing its late 80s early 90s model?
Beautiful system!

I would agree with ereed....isn't there a way you can keep that system and use it elsewhere down the road? You may regret having sold it later.
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Beautiful system!

I would agree with ereed....isn't there a way you can keep that system and use it elsewhere down the road? You may regret having sold it later.
You guys are probably right. Well I may do that. When I had a change to get and I saw condition and said I can’t pass on this.

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I'm putting together a basic home theater in my garage(18' x 20' x 7.6'), which will also be a garage, in case I need to do an oil change or so. Also, it will double as a work space(fixing Onkyos and such).
I can't use towers in there. The speakers, have to be on the wall and some in the wall(Atmos).
I'm considering the RP-160M and the RP-150M, for fronts. I have already picked up some used 150Ms(at $120, I couldn't say no ) and they sound great.
My question is, should I go for the 160Ms for the fronts, or the 150Ms are good enough?
I also have a set of R-15M, CDT-3800 II for Atmos and I'm considering a RP-450C, or 440C for the center, that will open down from the ceiling(it will be motorized ).

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New around here.
I'm putting together a basic home theater in my garage(18' x 20' x 7.6'), which will also be a garage, in case I need to do an oil change or so. Also, it will double as a work space(fixing Onkyos and such).
I can't use towers in there. The speakers, have to be on the wall and some in the wall(Atmos).
I'm considering the RP-160M and the RP-150M, for fronts. I have already picked up some used 150Ms(at $120, I couldn't say no ) and they sound great.
My question is, should I go for the 160Ms for the fronts, or the 150Ms are good enough?
I also have a set of R-15M, CDT-3800 II for Atmos and I'm considering a RP-450C, or 440C for the center, that will open down from the ceiling(it will be motorized ).
If you are planning on running without a subwoofer, I'd get the RP-160m, as they would have slightly more oomph and authority, but not much. With a subwoofer, the RP-160m probably has slightly more headroom. If you are looking to keep it as cheap as possible, I doubt you are giving up much sticking with the RP-150m.

If the RP-150m that you already bought are for the front, I'd go ahead and stick with them, unless you have an alternative use for them. Basically, the RP-160m should be very similar, just slightly more.

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If you are planning on running without a subwoofer, I'd get the RP-160m, as they would have slightly more oomph and authority, but not much. With a subwoofer, the RP-160m probably has slightly more headroom. If you are looking to keep it as cheap as possible, I doubt you are giving up much sticking with the RP-150m.

If the RP-150m that you already bought are for the front, I'd go ahead and stick with them, unless you have an alternative use for them. Basically, the RP-160m should be very similar, just slightly more.
I will have subwoofer. For now, I have two Onkyos, but I will be upgrading, as funds permit.
I may even pick up, some broken Klipsch subs and I will repair them.
So, if I have subwoofer, I could use the 150Ms for the fronts?
In the living room, I have R-28F towers. The 150Ms, are so small compared with those. Do you think, that they will be enough?

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I will have subwoofer. For now, I have two Onkyos, but I will be upgrading, as funds permit.
I may even pick up, some broken Klipsch subs and I will repair them.
So, if I have subwoofer, I could use the 150Ms for the fronts?
In the living room, I have R-28F towers. The 150Ms, are so small compared with those. Do you think, that they will be enough?
Depends how loudly you play them. If you plan on playing really loudly, you need towers, even with subwoofers. But, several people here on AVS use RP-160m as fronts with subwoofers, and they like it, and RP150m should be only marginally less capable.

I have had Rp-150m, Rp260f, and now RP280f(the latter 2 are towers) and the more you go up the food chain, the louder you can go, and I mean crossed at 80 Hz with a subwoofer, even with the towers.
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I know this is totally out of Klipsch but want to share with my Klipsch friends here look at this pretty Technics system what I got home today. I will put it in classifieds in next few days I wish I have room for it but I can't pass to not try it for couple of days.

hey retro ,i betcha it sounds good dude , also i bet i could probably use them 10 inch woofers in my klf 20 's lol
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