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Either one will be great. The flloorstanders are probably overkill, but they will certainly do a good job, it's what I have for my surrounds.
Thanks I was thinking the same. I do have room for the floorstanders so may be the way to go.

I will however have to elevate the floorstanders as Atmos requires the rear surrounds to be just above ear level when seated.

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Thanks I was thinking the same. I do have room for the floorstanders so may be the way to go.

I will however have to elevate the floorstanders as Atmos requires the rear surrounds to be just above ear level when seated.
Its recommended all speakers except atmos should be ear level or close to ear level if possible.
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Hello guys!

Gaming and Movies are my main interests.

A little less than 500 square feet.



I'm thinking about starting with 2 towers and a center. But I'm a bit lost between
rc-64 iii VS 450C? Would rc-64III be too much given my space?
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Hello guys!

Gaming and Movies are my main interests.

A little less than 500 square feet.



I'm thinking about starting with 2 towers and a center. But I'm a bit lost between
rc-64 iii VS 450C? Would rc-64III be too much given my space?
Actually, I would think the RC-64III would be easier to place since its sealed. Don't need to worry about the rear facing port of the 450c. Not speaking from any expertise, just a guess.
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Gaming and Movies are my main interests.

A little less than 500 square feet.



I'm thinking about starting with 2 towers and a center. But I'm a bit lost between
rc-64 iii VS 450C? Would rc-64III be too much given my space?
sitting 8ft from my rc-64 iii and it great, currently rewatching all my fav movies

no rear ports on the iii
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Actually, I would think the RC-64III would be easier to place since its sealed. Don't need to worry about the rear facing port of the 450c. Not speaking from any expertise, just a guess.
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sitting 8ft from my rc-64 iii and it great, currently rewatching all my fav movies

no rear ports on the iii
I don't think sealed is easier to place unless you are jamming it into a cabinet and shouldn't be any different if you have front or rear ported models. If you have it on center speaker stand or on top of av cabinet you are fine. Most people cross center at 80hz and above so the rear port isn't used much. If you hear the ports, pull out from wall a little bit. Also to really bring up the dialog on the center, one should place acoustic absorption panel directly behind the speaker to improve SBIR as well.

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I'm running dual R-115SW's. Lately, I've noticed that one sub will shut down at high volume when playing some lower bass frequencies. I've never had this problem before and have been enjoying movies and music for over a year. Has anyone encountered this problem before? From what I've read it is being over driven but I've been listening to the same movies for months and never had an issue. My gain is at the halfway mark and the AVR is set to -2db for each sub. Only one shuts down.

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I'm running dual R-115SW's. Lately, I've noticed that one sub will shut down at high volume when playing some lower bass frequencies. I've never had this problem before and have been enjoying movies and music for over a year. Has anyone encountered this problem before? From what I've read it is being over driven but I've been listening to the same movies for months and never had an issue. My gain is at the halfway mark and the AVR is set to -2db for each sub. Only one shuts down.
This sounds like a amp is failing when pushed hard or driver issue etc. I would call Klipsch Tech Support maybe others running dual R-115SW had this issue. I have ran dual Klipsch Synergy Sub 12" for a decade for HT with no issues, they are in a bedroom system with Heresy II setting on them. Maybe someone with the R-115SW will post up.

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I’m upgrading my Pioneer Andrew Jones LCR and Sony SB-1000 surrounds with 2x RP-260F, 440c and either RP-150ms or RP-240s for my surrounds.

This is in my family room and currently the Sony SB-1000s are on stands that are about 1’ behind each back corner of the couch, up against the back wall(or as close as the stand allows). So they aren’t directly to the side and not directly behind the listening area. My wife is constantly giving me the stink eye because thinks the speakers on the stands is ugly and obtrusive to the aesthetics of the room.

I would ideally like to get the speakers on the back wall so i can get rid of the stands (this also possibly allows me to get a 2nd sub).

What would be a better choice for the back wall? The RP-240s or the RP-150m? The 150s are heavy and I think would require a pretty beefy wall mount. Also, with that rear port, will that be an issue being so close to the wall? They would also stick out pretty far. So in terms of ease of install and aesthetics, the 240s seem like they would be a better choice. However, everything I’ve read or seen has these speakers as side surround and I’ve never seen installed as rears.

So what would be a better choice? The 150s or 240s for surround rear?

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I’m upgrading my Pioneer Andrew Jones LCR and Sony SB-1000 surrounds with 2x RP-260F, 440c and either RP-150ms or RP-240s for my surrounds.

This is in my family room and currently the Sony SB-1000s are on stands that are about 1’ behind each back corner of the couch, up against the back wall(or as close as the stand allows). So they aren’t directly to the side and not directly behind the listening area. My wife is constantly giving me the stink eye because thinks the speakers on the stands is ugly and obtrusive to the aesthetics of the room.

I would ideally like to get the speakers on the back wall so i can get rid of the stands (this also possibly allows me to get a 2nd sub).

What would be a better choice for the back wall? The RP-240s or the RP-150m? The 150s are heavy and I think would require a pretty beefy wall mount. Also, with that rear port, will that be an issue being so close to the wall? They would also stick out pretty far. So in terms of ease of install and aesthetics, the 240s seem like they would be a better choice. However, everything I’ve read or seen has these speakers as side surround and I’ve never seen installed as rears.

So what would be a better choice? The 150s or 240s for surround rear?

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Not an expert, but I'm thinking because you are so close to the rear speakers, that the RP-240 would provide a better experience, as they would provide a more diffuse sound. A more direct sound from the 150s would be preferable (to me) if they were further away.
You could try buying a pair of each from Best Buy or Crutchfield, and return the losers.

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I'm looking to build out my system a bit more. Currently I have a 5.1 set-up and I've thinking of going to 7.1 right away and then eventually 7.2.4 over the next 6-8 months. The latter is going to require a receiver upgrade too. Right now I'm using WF-34s for my fronts and RS-52 II for my surrounds. I had been thinking of moving the RS-52s to the rear and getting new speakers for the sides since I'll only have 2-3 feet from the wall when my new couch comes in. I was thinking something like a RP-150M

I just had an idea though reading through this thread of maybe a bigger upgrade. Could I use the WF-34s for my sides and then replace them with something like the RP-280FA which would also give the front atmos or maybe even go for RF-7 II? Any thoughts on doing that instead?

I'm just starting to research what I want to do for atmos. One thing I'm not sure of at this point is if I can even use RP-280FA or RP-140SA for it since I don't have a flat ceiling. Will that style speaker work with s sloped ceiling or do I need to go with something mounted to it? My ceiling has about a 2.5' rise going from the rear wall to the TV wall.
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I'm looking to build out my system a bit more. Currently I have a 5.1 set-up and I've thinking of going to 7.1 right away and then eventually 7.2.4 over the next 6-8 months. The latter is going to require a receiver upgrade too. Right now I'm using WF-34s for my fronts and RS-52 II for my surrounds. I had been thinking of moving the RS-52s to the rear and getting new speakers for the sides since I'll only have 2-3 feet from the wall when my new couch comes in. I was thinking something like a RP-150M

I just had an idea though reading through this thread of maybe a bigger upgrade. Could I use the WF-34s for my sides and then replace them with something like the RP-280FA which would also give the front atmos or maybe even go for RF-7 II? Any thoughts on doing that instead?

I'm just starting to research what I want to do for atmos. One thing I'm not sure of at this point is if I can even use RP-280FA or RP-140SA for it since I don't have a flat ceiling. Will that style speaker work with s sloped ceiling or do I need to go with something mounted to it? My ceiling has about a 2.5' rise going from the rear wall to the TV wall.
I've had atmos since 2015. In my opinion you would be better off with in-ceiling or on-ceiling speakers. Actually see my last post above for the AW-650 which is an outdoor speaker but would make a awesome on-ceiling atmos speaker. If you are looking to upgrade your front I'll tell you what I tell everyone (especially if on a budget) go used and search for a pair of Klipsch KLF-20 ($500-700) and a KLF C-7 ($300-400). You will save money and in my opinion they walk all over the newer speakers. The RF-7 III might give them a run, but at what cost and it's still a matter of opinion. The lower line definitely wont touch them. Good hunting!

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I've had atmos since 2015. In my opinion you would be better off with in-ceiling or on-ceiling speakers. Actually see my last post above for the AW-650 which is an outdoor speaker but would make a awesome on-ceiling atmos speaker. If you are looking to upgrade your front I'll tell you what I tell everyone (especially if on a budget) go used and search for a pair of Klipsch KLF-20 ($500-700) and a KLF C-7 ($300-400). You will save money and in my opinion they walk all over the newer speakers. The RF-7 III might give them a run, but at what cost and it's still a matter of opinion. The lower line definitely wont touch them. Good hunting!
Thanks for the feedback. I had a feeling the upfiring atmos wouldn't do the job. I saw a couple other things saying similar today when reading about the AppleTV getting atmos support. I'll checkout the AW-650s. I'm going to look to go on ceiling and not in since I'm renting a house right now. I can get away with putting a mounting hook.

I hadn't been looking to upgrade my fronts since I've been happy, I just had the idea yesterday that maybe I should. I'm single right now so dropping extra money on it is a little easier then if I had GF expenses running. So I'm not on a tight budget but I don't want to go too crazy either. Since it's not a rush I'll keep my eye out for the KLF-20s for a bit. I don't see any on offer up or eBay in my area with a quick search. I always worry a little though about used speakers since I don't know how hard they've been run and if there's been abuse.
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Thanks for the feedback. I had a feeling the upfiring atmos wouldn't do the job. I saw a couple other things saying similar today when reading about the AppleTV getting atmos support. I'll checkout the AW-650s. I'm going to look to go on ceiling and not in since I'm renting a house right now. I can get away with putting a mounting hook.

I hadn't been looking to upgrade my fronts since I've been happy, I just had the idea yesterday that maybe I should. I'm single right now so dropping extra money on it is a little easier then if I had GF expenses running. So I'm not on a tight budget but I don't want to go too crazy either. Since it's not a rush I'll keep my eye out for the KLF-20s for a bit. I don't see any on offer up or eBay in my area with a quick search. I always worry a little though about used speakers since I don't know how hard they've been run and if there's been abuse.
All the good deals seem to be in Florida, but keep watching. Last week a guy In Illinois had two KLF-20's and a KLF C-7 for $700 on Ebay pick up only. That was a steal. I just spotted another deal in Florida on FB marketplace. $525 for two KLF-20's, A C-7, and RW12 Sub. Seriously for that kind of money you can't go wrong. Unless a woofer is blown, not much can go wrong. At that price you can pony up for a new woofer.
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Hi does anyone here know if you can buy the 15' drivers from the Klipsch R-115 SW individually from Klipsch?

I'm looking at making some sub towers in Cherry to match my RF7-II towers
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Folks with Fortes, what center are you using? Will a RP-250C match well? That's about all I can fit in the spot where I have my center channel speaker.

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Good morning everyone!
Sometimes I look around here, but through Tapatalk you never get the important information regarding everyone's setup! So, this time I had a look at the full desktop version of the thread.
I have 2 1978 Cornwalls as fronts (my father's ones, Bob Crites supplied me some needed new hardware). Center channel is a mid line 2 way Indiana Line (not dissatisfied by it, atm), but I often think I could give the overall front sound an improvement.
Another big (this time) upgrade would be a real SW, actually there is a Wharfedale which can't cope over the Cornwalls woofers.
So, about those 2 items I would like some reinsigment from the well experienced forumists here.
The other 4 floor speakers are Wharfedale 9.1, on custom stands at ear level. Budget IS, somewhat, a concern.
But, hear what, my system is a 7.1.4 and I am happy to confirm I have 4 on ceiling heights represented by Klipsch CP-6 (white) outdoor speakers. Very happy with them.
Usually 50/50 music/films. Room is a dedicated personal space, 6,5 meters long, 3,5 wide and 2,5 high!
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Sometimes I look around here, but through Tapatalk you never get the important information regarding everyone's setup! So, this time I had a look at the full desktop version of the thread.
I have 2 1978 Cornwalls as fronts (my father's ones, Bob Crites supplied me some needed new hardware). Center channel is a mid line 2 way Indiana Line (not dissatisfied by it, atm), but I often think I could give the overall front sound an improvement.
Another big (this time) upgrade would be a real SW, actually there is a Wharfedale which can't cope over the Cornwalls woofers.
So, about those 2 items I would like some reinsigment from the well experienced forumists here.
The other 4 floor speakers are Wharfedale 9.1, on custom stands at ear level. Budget IS, somewhat, a concern.
But, hear what, my system is a 7.1.4 and I am happy to confirm I have 4 on ceiling heights represented by Klipsch CP-6 (white) outdoor speakers. Very happy with them.
Usually 50/50 music/films. Room is a dedicated personal space, 6,5 meters long, 3,5 wide and 2,5 high!
TIA for Your interest
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Btw, I am in Italy.
In Europe, I would recommend you look at XTZ sound. Very good reputation.
https://www.xtzsound.eu/product/sub-1x12
https://www.xtzsound.eu/product/sub-3x12
https://www.xtzsound.eu/product/sub-17-series
https://data-bass.com/data?page=system&id=124

KLipsch 115SW are pretty solid if they are available at a reasonable price in the EU, and you want to stick with Klipsch.
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Hi does anyone here know if you can buy the 15' drivers from the Klipsch R-115 SW individually from Klipsch?

I'm looking at making some sub towers in Cherry to match my RF7-II towers
You should be able to. Call the Klipsch parts department and order them.
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Thanks @drh3b , will follow those links, start studying the reviews etc!
As the optional center for Cornwalls is concerned, I have seen more and more indications starting from: another Cornwall (I believe it's at its limits or over for my room largeness, 3,5meters), an Heresy (really expensive) or a Klf c7 (used, I understand).
But the last centers, i.e. 440 or 450 are never talked about for the purpose! These last surely have rear port (as my actual center, btw), while Cornwalls and Heresys are front ported. An RB81 II could fit?- I could use the second if they come in pair as center height, too - ? Maybe not suitable as a center due to too much bass image?
Cannot demo them near me, sigh!
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When the hell did the Nazi bots take over this forum? I simply said I've had KLF-20's for 18 years and the C7 since 2008, and I was thinking about changing up my screen to an AT screen and getting in-wall speakers. Somehow it took this as a classified ad and sent me a violation notice. I've never had a violation on any forum ever, in thousands of posts. It feels like getting a speeding ticket, awful.

Anyway, unfortunately, I don't see how I can go AT and keep the KLFs. I have a few feet of attic space behind that screen wall, but with rear-ported speakers, I don't see how I could build them in.

Has anyone ever tried to build cubbies for KLF's that somehow handle the rear ports?
If you wanted to build cubbies you might be able to just move the rear port to the front. Just use a hole saw cut the hole and move the port. Then seal the back port holes.

The C7 is sealed so no problem there.
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If you wanted to build cubbies you might be able to just move the rear port to the front. Just use a hole saw cut the hole and move the port. Then seal the back port holes.

The C7 is sealed so no problem there.
Moray James moved the ports to the front on his KLF-20. IIRC he added other braces and dynamat insulation.. contact Moray here and ask about port mods etc ...

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Moray James moved the ports to the front on his KLF-20. IIRC he added other braces and dynamat insulation.. contact Moray here and ask about port mods etc ...

http://audiokarma.org/forums/index.p...-james.100018/
Thanks that's an interesting idea. The thought of performing major surgery on my 18 year old friends is pretty scary, but that might be easier than letting them go completely. I'll contact James and see if he'd still recommend it.

On the other hand, I do have that little voice in my head that keeps saying "you've been listening to the same speakers for nearly two decades, what if there is something out there that sounds better". I feel like I'll waste of a ton of money trying to find out though.
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Need surround info

Since moving into this mobile home I've had to give up my 5.1 setup and live with 3.1, but, I'm wanting to go back to 5.1. Below is my setup:

LG C657P
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Denon sub that came with a surround in a box pkg several years ago, and is earmarked to get replaced with a better quality sub later.

It's time to grab the surrounds, and I'm looking at a pair of Klipsch R-14S's, but I haven't been able to find any info on suitable adjustable stands for those speakers, as wall mounts are out. I think that the R-14S's will give me better surround performance than using another pair of R-15M's. I have to keep the costs down as low as I can to keep my wife happy, and still get decent performance to keep me happy.

So, I'm open to suggestions from the folks that own Klipsch, because I can't think of a better place to ask.
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Since moving into this mobile home I've had to give up my 5.1 setup and live with 3.1, but, I'm wanting to go back to 5.1. Below is my setup:

LG C657P
Denon S730H
Klipsch R-15M's R&L
Klipsch RC-42 ll center
Denon sub that came with a surround in a box pkg several years ago, and is earmarked to get replaced with a better quality sub later.

It's time to grab the surrounds, and I'm looking at a pair of Klipsch R-14S's, but I haven't been able to find any info on suitable adjustable stands for those speakers, as wall mounts are out. I think that the R-14S's will give me better surround performance than using another pair of R-15M's. I have to keep the costs down as low as I can to keep my wife happy, and still get decent performance to keep me happy.

So, I'm open to suggestions from the folks that own Klipsch, because I can't think of a better place to ask.
I was surprised a pair of R14M worked as sides in a 10X14 room.

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I was surprised a pair of R14M worked as sides in a 10X14 room.
Our TV room is 14X18.
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Our TV room is 14X18.
Another pair of R15M and stay matched with fronts.

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Another pair of R15M and stay matched with fronts.
I have considered that, but I think the R-14S's would give better distribution due to their design. However, I've have never heard those speakers, so it's a WAG on my part.

Having said that, I still haven't found suitable adjustable height stands for them due to their wide dimension and shape. I suppose that I could try using the keyhole on the rear of the speaker, if I found a stand to handle their weight, but I'm not sure how that would serve on a stand as opposed to a wall mount. Just hanging loose would open it up to vibrations which would kill the whole experience. I'm gonna call Klipsch tomorrow and see what they say about suitable stands since nobody here has offered anything.

If I can't make the R-14S's work for my setup then another pair of R-15M's, or maybe the R-14M's would get another look as surrounds. At least suitable stands for those are not hard to find.
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I have considered that, but I think the R-14S's would give better distribution due to their design. However, I've have never heard those speakers, so it's a WAG on my part.

Having said that, I still haven't found suitable adjustable height stands for them due to their wide dimension and shape. I suppose that I could try using the keyhole on the rear of the speaker, if I found a stand to handle their weight, but I'm not sure how that would serve on a stand as opposed to a wall mount. Just hanging loose would open it up to vibrations which would kill the whole experience. I'm gonna call Klipsch tomorrow and see what they say about suitable stands since nobody here has offered anything.

If I can't make the R-14S's work for my setup then another pair of R-15M's, or maybe the R-14M's would get another look as surrounds. At least suitable stands for those are not hard to find.
What about the VideoSecu MS08B DA8? 20lbs , adjustable, with keyhole screws. I dont have these stands so I cant speak to their definition of "keyhole screws". This sometimes means a bolt and a elongated nut. Sometimes you have to temporarily remove the keyhole mount from the speaker to feed the bolt from the back. In-lieu of an adapter , I've always used a bolt with a trio of nuts to secure keyholes to stands when necessary.
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