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Gloss Black Klipsch

Theman...........I had my 1979 Cornwall's (raw finish) veneered in Gloss Black Piano in 1980 or so and they still look good. Now I have a SVS PB 13 Ultra sub in Gloss Black Piano and WOW they look GREAT in small den with grey carpet and black shelves etc but a PAIN to keep dusted. The finish does show dust and scratches easy, not a end table. So there is a plus and minus maintenance wise especially if you have pets. I put up with dusting every few days retired now :-) my OCD gets the best of me.
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Theman...........I had my 1979 Cornwall's (raw finish) veneered in Gloss Black Piano in 1980 or so and they still look good. Now I have a SVS PB 13 Ultra sub in Gloss Black Piano and WOW they look GREAT in small den with grey carpet and black shelves etc but a PAIN to keep dusted. The finish does show dust and scratches easy, not a end table. So there is a plus and minus maintenance wise especially if you have pets. I put up with dusting every few days retired now :-) my OCD gets the best of me.
Yeah, I knew going in that they would have to be cleaned a bit more than usual. Thats ok, I don't mind, they look sweet, and I'm the only one that really goes into the room, so no worries about damage or anything. I've owned older Klipsch in real wood finish and the veneer stuff too. The piano finish really looks high end.
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Yeah, I knew going in that they would have to be cleaned a bit more than usual. Thats ok, I don't mind, they look sweet, and I'm the only one that really goes into the room, so no worries about damage or anything. I've owned older Klipsch in real wood finish and the veneer stuff too. The piano finish really looks high end.
I agree about that gloss black looking really nice, plus they will go with any decor.
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Need help deciding what to buy. Posted the same on the infinity thread. Need help deciding between infinity and klipsch


I presently have infinity primus 252 fronts and a infinity beta 250 center. Considering the infinity reference c263 center and reference 253 towers on sale now. Is this really much of a noticeable upgrade? If not I’d be disappointed. Don’t have to upgrade.
Also as this is exclusively for home theater / TV, I’ve heard The Klipsch RP series is best for home theater so co soldering Klipsch RC260f and matching center. Please help me if you have a take on any of this, want to order before the sale ends one way or another.also I have a 115SW sub

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Need help deciding what to buy. Posted the same on the infinity thread. Need help deciding between infinity and klipsch


I presently have infinity primus 252 fronts and a infinity beta 250 center. Considering the infinity reference c263 center and reference 253 towers on sale now. Is this really much of a noticeable upgrade? If not I’d be disappointed. Don’t have to upgrade.
Also as this is exclusively for home theater / TV, I’ve heard The Klipsch RP series is best for home theater so co soldering Klipsch RC260f and matching center. Please help me if you have a take on any of this, want to order before the sale ends one way or another.also I have a 115SW sub

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I know some Infinity stuff punches above it's price class, but I don't know if that includes the ones you have or are considering. I did notice the Infinity's you are considering are less sensitive than the ones you have, so they won't be able play quite as loudly as the ones you have. The RP will play at least as loudly, but whether you will like them better is a matter of taste. If the place you buy the Klipsch from is local, and allows returns, I'd try them.

I love my RP, but whether they are enough of an upgrade to be worth considering for you, I don't know.
If you are satisfied with the Infinity's you have, I doubt the upgrades you are considering are worth it for home theater.
Sorry I couldn't be of any real help.

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Thanks for your reply and that is helpful. I did consider the sensitivity differences and worried about having to push the speakers harder to get the same sound. I do have a nice AVR but don’t have separates which would help but expensive. Sensitivity of Klipsch is unreal.
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Thanks for your reply and that is helpful. I did consider the sensitivity differences and worried about having to push the speakers harder to get the same sound. I do have a nice AVR but don’t have separates which would help but expensive. Sensitivity of Klipsch is unreal.
The sensitivity of the Klipsch is over rated. Assuming the Infinity rating is honest, the Klipsch are only slightly more sensitive than the ones you have. Unfortunately, there isn't an agreed upon way to measure sensitivity by the manufacturers.

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The sensitivity of the Klipsch is over rated. Assuming the Infinity rating is honest, the Klipsch are only slightly more sensitive than the ones you have. Unfortunately, there isn't an agreed upon way to measure sensitivity by the manufacturers.
Assuming Klipsch's sensitivity rating is overrated, I'll bet Infinity's rating is equally overrated.
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I’m not sure where to post this so if there’s a better location, please direct me there or move this post.

I was able to get hold of a pair of late 1970s vintage Klipschorns, sequential serial numbers at a great price ($1,500 for the pair, delivered). I have already upgraded the electronics and have been using them “as is” and love the sound. They are “commercial” grade finish, just the bare plywood. The problem is that water got to the bottom front edge of the large front plywood sheet on both of them and was there long enough for discoloration and a bit of separation of the plies along the bottom edge, hence the bargain price.

I want to refinish them now since we’ve recently moved our set up into a nicer, larger, dedicated room. I have a cabinet maker coming out this coming week to look at them to see about the feasibility of applying wood veneer on site. I am just posting this on the chance of learning about any experiences folks have had doing this. Have any attempted a veneer job themselves? I’m not sure I want to try it on these as my first experience. Thanks in advance.
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I was able to get hold of a pair of late 1970s vintage Klipschorns, sequential serial numbers at a great price ($1,500 for the pair, delivered). I have already upgraded the electronics and have been using them “as is” and love the sound. They are “commercial” grade finish, just the bare plywood. The problem is that water got to the bottom front edge of the large front plywood sheet on both of them and was there long enough for discoloration and a bit of separation of the plies along the bottom edge, hence the bargain price.

I want to refinish them now since we’ve recently moved our set up into a nicer, larger, dedicated room. I have a cabinet maker coming out this coming week to look at them to see about the feasibility of applying wood veneer on site. I am just posting this on the chance of learning about any experiences folks have had doing this. Have any attempted a veneer job themselves? I’m not sure I want to try it on these as my first experience. Thanks in advance.
I would definitely take the advice of the woodworker. Since you want to veneer, maybe the bottoms can be repaired, then covered with veneer. That way you won't need to replace the panels. Here is a thread on the Klipsch forum about a guy that built Klipsch Belle clones then veneered them....https://community.klipsch.com/index....ay-for-awhile/
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I’m not sure where to post this so if there’s a better location, please direct me there or move this post.

I was able to get hold of a pair of late 1970s vintage Klipschorns, sequential serial numbers at a great price ($1,500 for the pair, delivered). I have already upgraded the electronics and have been using them “as is” and love the sound. They are “commercial” grade finish, just the bare plywood. The problem is that water got to the bottom front edge of the large front plywood sheet on both of them and was there long enough for discoloration and a bit of separation of the plies along the bottom edge, hence the bargain price.

I want to refinish them now since we’ve recently moved our set up into a nicer, larger, dedicated room. I have a cabinet maker coming out this coming week to look at them to see about the feasibility of applying wood veneer on site. I am just posting this on the chance of learning about any experiences folks have had doing this. Have any attempted a veneer job themselves? I’m not sure I want to try it on these as my first experience. Thanks in advance.
I have not applied veneer to speakers, but I have completed quite a few amateur veneer jobs over the years. The work I do is acceptable to me, but not perfect. I am sure your cabinet maker would do a much better job. I guess it depends how much you want to spend for his services.

If you are thinking about doing it yourself, go to Home Depot and buy a small piece of plywood, some wood veneer, some glue and a router bit that will let you trim the veneer. If you don't have a router, try Harbor Freight for your initial tool.

There are plenty of videos on You Tube that will help you get started. Try covering a few pieces of plywood until you feel comfortable going to work on your speakers. Without viewing the water damage, I suspect you could cut out the rotten wood and fill with Bondo or some other filler. Since you are going to apply veneer, if you get the filler level and smooth, it will not show.

People who do intricate carpentry will probably be horrified with the advice I'm giving, and I would accept their criticism. However, if you do the work yourself, you will have plenty of stories to tell your friends about the speakers they are listening to, and you will be consumed with self satisfaction. If you do acceptable work, you will notice the imperfections, but most of your friends will not.

By the way, if you have a lot of money and are not particularly interested in carpentry, hire the cabinet maker, buy a boat an go fishing. In the alternative, buy a Roku, subscribe to the Met Opera channel, and watch Carmen. Those Kiipschorns will make you cry. Spoiler: She dies in the end.

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Thanks for the replies. Just out of curiosity, how hard is it to just completely replace that large front wood panel? The few cutaway views I’ve seen give me the impression there is a lot of stuff mounted to the back side of it and it would not be a trivial task but I’ve not seen any really clear, detailed views. Is that correct? As interesting as the inside of the Klipschorn seems to be, I’m surprised and kind of disappointed that there are not more images of its internal construction available.

(Beautiful job on those DIY Belle clones, BTW)
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Thanks for the replies. Just out of curiosity, how hard is it to just completely replace that large front wood panel? The few cutaway views I’ve seen give me the impression there is a lot of stuff mounted to the back side of it and it would not be a trivial task but I’ve not seen any really clear, detailed views. Is that correct? As interesting as the inside of the Klipschorn seems to be, I’m surprised and kind of disappointed that there are not more images of its internal construction available.

(Beautiful job on those DIY Belle clones, BTW)
While I have never personally viewed the inside of a KHorn, I do believe there is quite a bit mounted to that piece. You would probably have to completely disassemble the whole speaker. Many people like to tinker with their speakers just to get to know how they work, and a KHorn sure is a piece of audio engineering and history. There are many diagrams on the Klipsch forum, and a lot of knowledgeable people.

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While I have never personally viewed the inside of a KHorn, I do believe there is quite a bit mounted to that piece. You would probably have to completely disassemble the whole speaker. Many people like to tinker with their speakers just to get to know how they work, and a KHorn sure is a piece of audio engineering and history. There are many diagrams on the Klipsch forum, and a lot of knowledgeable people.
OK, I just found some detailed drawings/plans. The front panel stays. I just have to figure out the best way to make it look presentable. Text is in German but the many drawings make it pretty clear that replacing that panel is not something to do except as a last resort.

http://www.pirkensee.de/Downloads/Klipsch%20Horn.pdf
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OK, I just found some detailed drawings/plans. The front panel stays. I just have to figure out the best way to make it look presentable. Text is in German but the many drawings make it pretty clear that replacing that panel is not something to do except as a last resort.

http://www.pirkensee.de/Downloads/Klipsch%20Horn.pdf
Yea that's what I thought, pretty involved. Like what was said earlier by AlanLee, if you're going to veneer them, wood filler, fiberglass, or even bondo is a good way to patch the wood, then apply the veneer.

Do you have any pics of the damage?

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Yea that's what I thought, pretty involved. Like what was said earlier by AlanLee, if you're going to veneer them, wood filler, fiberglass, or even bondo is a good way to patch the wood, then apply the veneer.

Do you have any pics of the damage?
Yeah, the guy coming over to look said he wanted to see to work up some prices. After he saw the pics he said it looks “rougher” than my initial whole speaker pics revealed. That’s why he wants to come over I think, to see how much solid material is available for him to work with. Pics are L, M, R of L and then R speakers. I think some of the damage came from moving the speakers around after the water got to the front, they were apparently used in a situation that had them moving around a bit.
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Here’s a pic of them in the room as it is right now. I have a couple strips of Wenge wood hiding the damage now. That’s another possibility, cut out the damage to maybe 1/4 depth and do an insert. Lots of options I suppose but if I’m going to spend the money on something, I’d rather get a complete refresh on the whole cabinet.
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Here’s a pic of them in the room as it is right now. I have a couple strips of Wenge wood hiding the damage now. That’s another possibility, cut out the damage to maybe 1/4 depth and do an insert. Lots of options I suppose but if I’m going to spend the money on something, I’d rather get a complete refresh on the whole cabinet.
That left speaker does look bad. The rest of the damage looks like a filler would work. Curious, was something glued on? Looks like glue debris.

That room looks spectacular, and looks to be an excellent candidate for Klipschorns. I'll bet they sound wonderful in there. Are they primarily for 2 channel, HT, or both?

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The idea of a lower band board hiding the damage is a good idea, make it look decorative. I have a feeling you could be looking at spending more on repairs than you paid for the speakers.
Do you have any kind of gasket sealing between the cabinet and the wall?

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That left speaker does look bad. The rest of the damage looks like a filler would work. Curious, was something glued on? Looks like glue debris.

That room looks spectacular, and looks to be an excellent candidate for Klipschorns. I'll bet they sound wonderful in there. Are they primarily for 2 channel, HT, or both?
Not sure of their complete history. The strips of Wenge wood are just leaned in place. We use the set up for both HT and also just music listening. My hearing is not great (gone above about 8,500 Hz), one reason I wanted the nice, crisp sound of horns, but I do listen attentively when listening to music. For HT use, I just appreciate the avalanche of sound I get since my attention is split with dialog, on screen action, etc.

And yes, we both really love the sound. It’s just so clean and effortless. I love how we can feel bass (SVS Cylinder for support) sometimes even more than hear it and how it’s solidly there with never any “boominess” I so often hear in other systems. Also, transients, brass horns, those things really show them off too.

The room used to be a combination office, “library” and station for my computer. After I had back surgery, I suddenly felt like doing things again so emptied out everything, gave always 1,000s of books, painted the room and trim, moved our HT set up we had into this new room and turned it into a 7.1 set up with the Klipschorns up front.. It’s so much nicer now than before. We are Maxie vegging. I hope I can get the speakers looking as good as they sound.

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The idea of a lower band board hiding the damage is a good idea, make it look decorative. I have a feeling you could be looking at spending more on repairs than you paid for the speakers.
Do you have any kind of gasket sealing between the cabinet and the wall?
Yes, I used the thick foam insulation you can get a Lowe’s, etc. to wrap hot water pipes and tried to get the best seal I could between cabinet and wall.
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Talking New Sub!

Finally replaced my sub today (lost my Klipsch Synergy 10" in a bad storm).

Got a great deal at Best Buy on the R-12SW. It was on clearance on the website for a price I couldn't resist, but it actually rang up at the register cheaper than the advertised price. Bonus!

Looking forward to fine tuning it over the next few days/weeks.

I did consider some other brands, but the cost/performance ratio is hard to pass up. Another bonus: went from a 10" to a 12" driver, but the overall size of the sub is slightly smaller than the 10" I had.

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Finally replaced my sub today (lost my Klipsch Synergy 10" in a bad storm).

Got a great deal at Best Buy on the R-12SW. It was on clearance on the website for a price I couldn't resist, but it actually rang up at the register cheaper than the advertised price. Bonus!

Looking forward to fine tuning it over the next few days/weeks.

I did consider some other brands, but the cost/performance ratio is hard to pass up. Another bonus: went from a 10" to a 12" driver, but the overall size of the sub is slightly smaller than the 10" I had.
Congrats....there will be a nice increase in performance between those two.
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Finally replaced my sub today (lost my Klipsch Synergy 10" in a bad storm).

Got a great deal at Best Buy on the R-12SW. It was on clearance on the website for a price I couldn't resist, but it actually rang up at the register cheaper than the advertised price. Bonus!

Looking forward to fine tuning it over the next few days/weeks.

I did consider some other brands, but the cost/performance ratio is hard to pass up. Another bonus: went from a 10" to a 12" driver, but the overall size of the sub is slightly smaller than the 10" I had.

Let me add my congrats as well! Should you want or need assistance with subwoofer set up and calibration to maximize performance, there is a wealth of information and knowledge at the thread below. Enjoy your new sub!

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-s...eferences.html
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Finally replaced my sub today (lost my Klipsch Synergy 10" in a bad storm).

Got a great deal at Best Buy on the R-12SW. It was on clearance on the website for a price I couldn't resist, but it actually rang up at the register cheaper than the advertised price. Bonus!

Looking forward to fine tuning it over the next few days/weeks.

I did consider some other brands, but the cost/performance ratio is hard to pass up. Another bonus: went from a 10" to a 12" driver, but the overall size of the sub is slightly smaller than the 10" I had.
Everything bad is good for something. I believe you will like this storm on the end . It is nice step up from your old sub , enjoy it.
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Everything bad is good for something. I believe you will like this storm on the end . It is nice step up from your old sub , enjoy it.

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Where have you been? IIHF World Championship has been long over! Good to see you back!
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Heads up Klipsch owners.

13 hours left on $290/pair for Klipsch RP160s.

Factory refurbs which I personally wouldn't hesitate to buy especially from Amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/Klipsch-RP-16...=AHF4SYKP09WBH

440c $297.

https://www.amazon.com/Klipsch-Refer...SYKP09WBH&th=1

So a kickass 5.0 could be put together for under $900.
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Where have you been? IIHF World Championship has been long over! Good to see you back!
I know you are funny . I just have very busy time and I was not here as often as I want to. Good to be back.

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rp-450c question

I tried searching old threads regarding the distance to wall for this center channel, so I'm sorry if I missed it.
I'm in the process of finishing my HT room build and getting ready for installing components and speakers. My component cabinet will not be ready for
another 6-7 months and I will be mounting the center channel under the TV on a pair of CC brackets or floating shelf of sorts to keep it clean as I can for now. What sort of space should I "try to keep" from the speaker and wall? or is this something that is personal preference and trial and error will tell me whats right?
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