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Found a comparison from a German website of 260f vs. 280f. My current setup is about the same size as 260f so after seeing these I think the 280f will just appear too big not to mention wife factor.
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Found a comparison from a German website of 260f vs. 280f. My current setup is about the same size as 260f so after seeing these I think the 280f will just appear too big not to mention wife factor.
What size space are you planning them in? If you look at my post above yours, you'll see my 8060FAs and they appear quite small. Although the wife did find them too be huge they blend in real well. This is in the smaller of two rooms. This here room is about 1600^3. I believe the depth are the same so you're just marginally increasing in height/width.
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Found a comparison from a German website of 260f vs. 280f. My current setup is about the same size as 260f so after seeing these I think the 280f will just appear too big not to mention wife factor.
Glad you found those, saves me moving one of my 260fs next to one of my 280fs, taking and uploading a picture like I was going to later today.

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Found a comparison from a German website of 260f vs. 280f. My current setup is about the same size as 260f so after seeing these I think the 280f will just appear too big not to mention wife factor.
What size space are you planning them in? If you look at my post above yours, you'll see my 8060FAs and they appear quite small. Although the wife did find them too be huge they blend in real well. This is in the smaller of two rooms. This here room is about 1600^3. I believe the depth are the same so you're just marginally increasing in height/width.
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Found a comparison from a German website of 260f vs. 280f. My current setup is about the same size as 260f so after seeing these I think the 280f will just appear too big not to mention wife factor.
Glad you found those, saves me moving one of my 260fs next to one of my 280fs, taking and uploading a picture like I was going to later today. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/IMG]
Well my room could prob use the 280/8000 size but I have a svs sub for that deep bass. I had to look up the house listing but it says 19x15 and it’s an open floor plan lower level so. But the fronts are about 10ft from sitting position and rears are about 4-5ft.

I think that couple extra inches width could be an issue as the wall is sort of out of space with a giant wall of built in my wife got.

How much do these need to be toed in directly at seating position? I have my current setup point of directly at me.
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Well my room could prob use the 280/8000 size but I have a svs sub for that deep bass. I had to look up the house listing but it says 19x15 and it’s an open floor plan lower level so. But the fronts are about 10ft from sitting position and rears are about 4-5ft.

I think that couple extra inches width could be an issue as the wall is sort of out of space with a giant wall of built in my wife got.

How much do these need to be toed in directly at seating position? I have my current setup point of directly at me.
Don't know what Klipsch's official opinion is, but mine are aimed directly at me, and they sound great that way.

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Don't know what Klipsch's official opinion is, but mine are aimed directly at me, and they sound great that way.
It's a pretty safe bet every speaker ever designed/voiced was done so on axis. That's how I would listen to any speaker.

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Don't know what Klipsch's official opinion is, but mine are aimed directly at me, and they sound great that way.
It's a pretty safe bet every speaker ever designed/voiced was done so on axis. That's how I would listen to any speaker.

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That’s what I figured as it makes the most sense.

Has anyone gone from the “old” RP line to the new 2018 models...like rp280f to 8000f? I know they redesigned tweeter and I swear I read somewheee they’re more neutral than before?
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I have a question for the Klipsch Community here. Would you guys buy a store display of rf7ii's at $300 each? The display models have cosmetic damage on the woofers by customers poking at them but claim they are in perfect working order.

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That's quite a deal, especially if their claim of them working perfectly is true. I don't think Klipsch would warranty that damage, it wasn't their fault. Replacement woofers can be found. I would give them a listen, then decide. They are a very nice speaker.
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That's quite a deal, especially if their claim of them working perfectly is true. I don't think Klipsch would warranty that damage, it wasn't their fault. Replacement woofers can be found. I would give them a listen, then decide. They are a very nice speaker.
I brought them home and they are wonderful speakers. Now, I'm reading that the crossovers could be further improved and someone out there is selling modded crossovers. Curious to ask how many rf7ii owners here have done that?

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I brought them home and they are wonderful speakers. Now, I'm reading that the crossovers could be further improved and someone out there is selling modded crossovers. Curious to ask how many rf7ii owners here have done that?

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I wouldn't rush out to replace parts on your new speakers just yet. Live with them for awhile.

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I wouldn't rush out to replace parts on your new speakers just yet. Live with them for awhile.

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Yes, of course. Just wanted to see if that had any efficacy with this group.

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Thanks for the input. You are correct regarding placement constraints. The physical layout of the room makes the placement rather challenging. The TV and MLP are on opposite walls about 11' apart, and I only have about 9' of usable space between physical obstructions (doorways, etc.) to place speakers along the sections of wall where the TV and couch are located. I had the Magnolia guys from my local Best Buy do an in-house consultation, and they really couldn't give me any better alternatives to what I'm currently planning.

For the surrounds, I would like to use in-wall or satellite speakers on the wall behind the couch, but that wall has a built in plant shelf above the couch that will make running wires for the rears very difficult. In addition, I currently have a "no ear level wall mounts, speaker stands, or external wire runs" restriction placed upon me by the wife, so I really don't have any choice right now other than ceiling mounted surrounds. I have no near term plans for Atmos, but I am researching speaker placements to see if I can put the ceiling surrounds in a position where I could use them as Atmos speakers in the future.

Even with the compromised placement, I'm sure this will sound a million times better than the Vizio sound bar I'm currently using.
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I’ve seen folks create nooks that match other nooks (ie built in plant shelf) to house “wireless” bookshelf speakers...is this a possible solution for your back wall?



If your plans are for a single pair of Atmos speakers, location should be just (1-2ft) forward of the MLP and in line with each of the left and right front speakers. If two pairs of Atmos speakers are used, the front pair is located 45 degrees forward of the MLP while the rear pair is 45 degrees behind the MLP...and again, in line with each of the front left and right speakers.



Atmos adds a new dimension of immersion to both the movie and music experience by it’s ability to place objects anywhere in space. Examples would be a helicopter flying in a circle above you, a bee flying left to right over your head, or perhaps a bird leaving the ground and flying diagonally from lower right to upper left. What I’m suggesting is...if the speaker placements/locations are not within the prescribed guidelines, the accuracy of these types of movements will be muddied and confusing. While you are correct in suggesting that compromised speaker placement will likely provide increased ambience, object placement accuracy in space will likely be significantly compromised. Hopefully this can be conveyed to your wife and an equitable solution can be reached. Custom pedestals can be built to accommodate a surround bookshelf speaker and a decorative plant or pottery piece for example. Good luck with you pursuit!
I ended up going with the RB-61 II bookshelf speakers for the front L/R. It turned out that Amazon raised the price on the RB-51 and reduced it on the RB-61 such that the price difference was only about $50 for the pair. No brainer.

Also, I had a WAF breakthrough. I have gotten her to agree to stands as long as the speakers are satellite or very small bookshelf size (ie. Klipsch Quintet size range). I know Polk, DefTech, and others have options in this area. Also, I am intrigued by the Klipsch Gallery G-12 and RP-14D low profile speakers. These are designed to be either wall or stand mounted, and they seem like a pretty good match to the specs of my front L/C/R. Any suggestions?
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I ended up going with the RB-61 II bookshelf speakers for the front L/R. It turned out that Amazon raised the price on the RB-51 and reduced it on the RB-61 such that the price difference was only about $50 for the pair. No brainer.
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Also, I had a WAF breakthrough. I have gotten her to agree to stands as long as the speakers are satellite or very small bookshelf size (ie. Klipsch Quintet size range). I know Polk, DefTech, and others have options in this area.
Sounds like you have excellent negotiating skills! Ideally, a 5” driver would be preferred but let’s not look a gift horse... A 4” driver should work fine at average/normal listening levels...keeping in mind that smaller drivers generally distort sooner than a larger driver as volume increases. The good news is that surrounds “typically” aren’t required to work very hard...rear surrounds even less so...as their primary tasks are “effects” related. The majority of the heavy lifting is done by the L,C,R, and sub.

WRT speaker brands, conventional wisdom (and likely marketing) has always suggested staying within a brand if possible...for timbre matching and other spec related criteria. If this is not possible, I personally would not hesitate to try other brands that appeal to you. Some are available in white which presumably has greater WAF appeal.

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Also, I am intrigued by the Klipsch Gallery G-12 and RP-14D low profile speakers. These are designed to be either wall or stand mounted, and they seem like a pretty good match to the specs of my front L/C/R. Any suggestions?
Unfortunately, I have no first hand experience with either of these two speakers. The only suggestion I have is to order them from a retailer with a liberal return policy to satisfy your intrigue...then go from there.

My last suggestion is this imperative: Once your system is set up...your first few movie nights should be 5.1 versions of movies your wife will enjoy. Not knowing her taste...perhaps something like the most recent Mama Mia: Here We Go Again or Hans Zimmer Live In Prague should impress her. And if you have kids, any family animated movies...Incredibles 2 or Despicable Me 3 are sure winners for all.

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Finally got a pic of the new 504C and 8000Fs.



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Finally got a pic of the new 504C and 8000Fs.


Nice! What are your thoughts so far since you’re one of first I’ve seen to have the 2018 RP. What did you have before and how do they compare?
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Hello,

Looking for advice from folks who have or have demo'd Hersey IIIs. I had settled on another brand tower speaker (which I did not audition) but due to a shipping issue I'm back in the market for some smaller sized towers. I really wanted to give Klipsch a shot but the wife pushed for the other brand due to looks. Now that I'm back shopping I looked at 8060s but there just to tall (and a little deep for the room) to pass the wife test, RP6000s got the ok!

I never considered Hersey's but I'm really taking a look at them. Reviews are all over the place, mostly really good however it's seems they may not mix well with newer electronic type music. I listen to everything so need a speaker that's not limited by music genre and will be using a sub. My space is roughly 14x22 with about 11-12 from the speakers to ear level.

Any advice would be much appreciated!
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Yeah I’m 100% on the 404C. I think the 4 speaker is better than going the 2 speaker route and that’s the biggest I can fit. I already run atmos overhead so don’t need the FAs and they wouldn’t work for my room anyways.

It would probably be $150 or so more to do the 8000’s. Are they that mich physically bigger? I see about 2” wider and 3” taller and maybe 1” deeper.

Did you ever take side by pics when you had them?
I think you should at least consider that the 600C has much larger drivers so I wouldn't dismiss it so quickly, especially over the 404C. I used to use a R-25C and it was plenty sufficient for my uses. When I upgraded I chose the RP-250C to replace it and didn't go with the RP-450C... it was simply overkill for my 10x12 theather. If my theater was 20x20, the story might be different. Anyway, the two speaker centers certainly have their place and are pretty good IMHO. Two 6.5" speakers also *should* be able to play lower frequencies than four 4" speakers, so that may be something else to consider..
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Yeah I’m 100% on the 404C. I think the 4 speaker is better than going the 2 speaker route and that’s the biggest I can fit. I already run atmos overhead so don’t need the FAs and they wouldn’t work for my room anyways.

It would probably be $150 or so more to do the 8000’s. Are they that mich physically bigger? I see about 2” wider and 3” taller and maybe 1” deeper.

Did you ever take side by pics when you had them?
I think you should at least consider that the 600C has much larger drivers so I wouldn't dismiss it so quickly, especially over the 404C. I used to use a R-25C and it was plenty sufficient for my uses. When I upgraded I chose the RP-250C to replace it and didn't go with the RP-450C... it was simply overkill for my 10x12 theather. If my theater was 20x20, the story might be different. Anyway, the two speaker centers certainly have their place and are pretty good IMHO. Two 6.5" speakers also *should* be able to play lower frequencies than four 4" speakers, so that may be something else to consider..
It’s a 19x15” room open floor plan. I guess I’d you look at total woofer size, you’re getting about 50 sq in for 404C and the 600C would be 66 sq in.

Didn’t know if there was a benefit to the 4 woofer setup vs. 2 speakers (thought I read they’re tuned to different frequencies).
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I prefer the sound of the quad 5.25 vs dual 6.5".

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It's claimed by some (internet users) that the outer and inner drivers play different frequencies. Some say they can hear this difference (which I'm skeptical of, but don't necessarily doubt). Klipsch doesn't say that they are tuned differently, so who knows? I don't think I've ever seen a tear-down of one that shows the internal components. Either way, both designs are a compromise, so we are splitting hairs at this point. I doubt Klipsch has done anything so amazing in their design to completely cancel the wave cancellation present in a MTM design. And to that point, if the listeners are all located in the center (I think the key is something like.. up to 30* off axis to either side of center), then the compromises of the MTM design are almost irrelevant.

How loudly do you listen to your movies? For a room that large, if you're seeking the full theater effect (i.e. loud), the 450C is probably the way to go. My 250C gets plenty loud for my smaller room. Personally I think my 250C would be fine for most users. The only people that I think would truly benefit from the largest center are the guys that *actually* watch movies at reference level (maybe not as rare as I think) or people who want to casually watch movies/tv in a giant open floor-plan type situation where waves are being lost into the kitchen, down the hall, up the stairs, etc..

Personally I'm just not a fan of 4" drivers for anything but surrounds. That said, if a wide array of 4" drivers is the *only* thing that fits a space requirement, I get it. But I'd choose a 600C, or even a 500C, over the 404C any day of the week. To each his own!

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My room is kinda large, Im about 10 feet away from the speakers. When I watch a blu-ray, it is usually around 0.0 db, or reference level

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It's claimed by some (internet users) that the outer and inner drivers play different frequencies. Some say they can hear this difference (which I'm skeptical of, but don't necessarily doubt).
This is true, the outer and inner woofers are tapered.



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Does anybody here own a pair of the original Heresy line?
I'm having trouble with mine and my thread hasn't gotten much attention, so I've got my hopes high to find somebody who can help me here.
They basically sound very wierd and have extremely high THD (5%) at higher frequencies), obviously this hasn't been always like that.

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It's claimed by some (internet users) that the outer and inner drivers play different frequencies. Some say they can hear this difference (which I'm skeptical of, but don't necessarily doubt). Klipsch doesn't say that they are tuned differently, so who knows? I don't think I've ever seen a tear-down of one that shows the internal components. Either way, both designs are a compromise, so we are splitting hairs at this point. I doubt Klipsch has done anything so amazing in their design to completely cancel the wave cancellation present in a MTM design. And to that point, if the listeners are all located in the center (I think the key is something like.. up to 30* off axis to either side of center), then the compromises of the MTM design are almost irrelevant.

How loudly do you listen to your movies? For a room that large, if you're seeking the full theater effect (i.e. loud), the 450C is probably the way to go. My 250C gets plenty loud for my smaller room. Personally I think my 250C would be fine for most users. The only people that I think would truly benefit from the largest center are the guys that *actually* watch movies at reference level (maybe not as rare as I think) or people who want to casually watch movies/tv in a giant open floor-plan type situation where waves are being lost into the kitchen, down the hall, up the stairs, etc..

Personally I'm just not a fan of 4" drivers for anything but surrounds. That said, if a wide array of 4" drivers is the *only* thing that fits a space requirement, I get it. But I'd choose a 600C, or even a 500C, over the 404C any day of the week. To each his own!
i can't fit the quad 5.25", only the 4" so it's that or the 2x6.5" with an open floor plan/room (19x15 with cathedral ceilings).
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It's claimed by some (internet users) that the outer and inner drivers play different frequencies. Some say they can hear this difference (which I'm skeptical of, but don't necessarily doubt).
This is true, the outer and inner woofers are tapered.



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It's true. Just check the spec sheets on their website. The 4 woofers centers have 2 crossover points as per the Klipsch specs.
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Hi all, are the rp-280f mains and rp-450c center designed to safely produce reference level volume if they are about 12 feet away from the main seating position?

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Hi all, are the rp-280f mains and rp-450c center designed to safely produce reference level volume if they are about 12 feet away from the main seating position?
Oh yes, and much more


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After running audyssey on my denon receiver, and putting the volume on 0, that is really fricken loud. Ate you sure they can handle it? If i put the volume at -15, its so loud during an explosion that im afraid they will break.

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Finally got a pic of the new 504C and 8000Fs.


Nice I had returned my 8000f for the 8060fa, originally I settled on the 600m which I then delegated to surrounds but ultimately swapped them out for the bipolar 502s models. I also changed from the 600c to the 504c. I'll be adding the 500sa to complete my atmos setup soon too.

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Nice! What are your thoughts so far since you’re one of first I’ve seen to have the 2018 RP. What did you have before and how do they compare?
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After running audyssey on my denon receiver, and putting the volume on 0, that is really fricken loud. Ate you sure they can handle it? If i put the volume at -15, its so loud during an explosion that im afraid they will break.
If you are hearing distortion then turn it down. Your AVR is likely distorted on multiple channels during a high action scene. The speakers will handle exactly what they claim when used with quality amplification.

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