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decide which klipsch center channel to buy

i have bought the RP 160M for Fronts, R 41-M for surrounds and R-12SWi Wireless Sub as was getting good deals.

Since my fronts are RP series should I buy a center channel speaker from RP series or R series will not matter much.

I am getting RC 62-II for 150$ but will that be okay for my set-up with RP 160M fronts??

If i have to go with RP series channel center speaker will RP 400C or RP 250 C be good options?

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So I've been looking at starting with a 3.1 system (already have the sub - SVS SB-3000) and been eyeing the RP-600M Bookshelves for the Front L and Front R. So here is my challenge, for the center channel, I need a center that is thin and not more than about 4 inches tall, due to having to fit directly below the TV. I was eyeing the RP-404c, but they are 5.7 inches tall that may be too tall for me. Are there any center channels that are thin that generally timbre match well with Klipsch's? Let me know.
You're going to have a hard time finding a good match at that size. The woofer in the RP-600M is 6.5". I think the smallest center that Klipsch sells is about 5" tall. Best Buy sells the Polk S35, which is about 4" tall, so if you have a BB in the area, you could go listen to it and see if you like it.

I recently replaced my fronts with RP-600Ms and am very happy with them. My center is an old Paradigm that matched my now-dead Titans. I plan to replace it with a Klipsch eventually, but it's fine for now.
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Looking for advice on crossover in my setup. I am running a 5.1.2 in the living room. My front speakers are set to small and sub is at 80hz. What crossover should my towers, center, and rears be at?

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I'm surprised no one answered my earlier question if anyone has used the pro 180 in ceilings for atmos use?

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Looking for advice on crossover in my setup. I am running a 5.1.2 in the living room. My front speakers are set to small and sub is at 80hz. What crossover should my towers, center, and rears be at?

Sony 1080 AVR
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Did you use room correction? Audyssey sets my 250f full range. It also sets my 440c at 40hz, I change both to 80hz.
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I'm surprised no one answered my earlier question if anyone has used the pro 180 in ceilings for atmos use?
Since the rise of Atmos over the last 2-3 years, the number of Atmos postings and inquiries in this thread (Klipsch) have been minimal. This leads me to believe not many Klipsch owners have migrated to Atmos. Perhaps this is "one" of the reasons for the lack of responses to your inquiry. The "other possible reason" is my experience below....

When I dove into Atmos almost three years ago, there were few knowledgeable/experienced Atmos owners who could share Atmos speaker requirements...only in/on ceiling speakers for general whole house music applications. I then decided to experiment on my own to determine what actual Atmos demands and requirements were. Like almost everyone, my first inclination was to identify ceiling speakers that would match my mains in terms of quality, frequency response, timbre, etc. in essence...our old school thinking. So, my immediate choice were the Klipsch CDT-5800-C-II's. However, at their MSRP, it was a substantial investment for something that I may or may not like. Consequently, I decided to purchase some inexpensive 8" ($40) in ceiling speakers to determine what speaker characteristics were necessary and important with the full intent to ultimately replace these with more upscale better performing speakers to match my mains (RF-7'II's). To date, I have found no compelling reason to replace these inexpensive speakers. Having listened to virtually all of the Atmos and DTS:X content that have been released in the past 2-3 years, I'm still completely happly with the results....from major action blockbusters to Hans Zimmer Live in Prague. The majority of Atmos content consists of non demanding effects such as insects, birds, rustling leaves, wind, rain, and other ambient sounds/voices etc. Think about all the sounds we hear from above on a daily basis. LFE from aircraft, rockets, thunder, lightning, etc are the domain of subs...not overhead Atmos speakers. The question is will a bird chirp or falling rain sound 10X better from a $500 speaker than a $50 one? From my experience and IMO, the key consideration(s) for in ceiling Atmos speakers are (1) correct/optimized Atmos speaker placement/location and (2) wide dispersion.

I still have a nagging urge to replace my "cheap" speakers with the CDT-5800's. I've asked several AVS members who installed the 5800's and each owner reported that they sounded great but also commented/admitted that it was probably overkill for Atmos. If you visit the "What's the best speaker for Atmos?" thread, you'll see recommendations run the gamut from Chevy's to Mercedes. But most have concluded that it's not necessary to spend more than $100 or so per speaker to achieve excellent Atmos performance....I would concur...proper installation and dispersion are far more important.

For more guidance and perspectives, I would encourage visiting the official Atmos thread as well.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...sion-1805.html
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Did you use room correction? Audyssey sets my 250f full range. It also sets my 440c at 40hz, I change both to 80hz.
I ran the calibration with my sony avr and it set at the speakers at 120hz and size at small. Sub is at 80hz.

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I ran the calibration with my sony avr and it set at the speakers at 120hz and size at small. Sub is at 80hz.
Hmmm. I’m not familiar with Sony’s EQ but 120hz is very high. I bump mine from 40hz to 80hz. I’m not sure what happens if you lower the crossovers what it will do to the EQ. Your sub should be at 120hz, not 80hz.
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I will be replacing my ELAC B6 with the Klipsch RP-600M in the very near future so look forward to joining you guys!
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Since the rise of Atmos over the last 2-3 years, the number of Atmos postings and inquiries in this thread (Klipsch) have been minimal. This leads me to believe not many Klipsch owners have migrated to Atmos. Perhaps this is "one" of the reasons for the lack of responses to your inquiry. The "other possible reason" is my experience below....

When I dove into Atmos almost three years ago, there were few knowledgeable/experienced Atmos owners who could share Atmos speaker requirements...only in/on ceiling speakers for general whole house music applications. I then decided to experiment on my own to determine what actual Atmos demands and requirements were. Like almost everyone, my first inclination was to identify ceiling speakers that would match my mains in terms of quality, frequency response, timbre, etc. in essence...our old school thinking. So, my immediate choice were the Klipsch CDT-5800-C-II's. However, at their MSRP, it was a substantial investment for something that I may or may not like. Consequently, I decided to purchase some inexpensive 8" ($40) in ceiling speakers to determine what speaker characteristics were necessary and important with the full intent to ultimately replace these with more upscale better performing speakers to match my mains (RF-7'II's). To date, I have found no compelling reason to replace these inexpensive speakers. Having listened to virtually all of the Atmos and DTS:X content that have been released in the past 2-3 years, I'm completely happly with the results....from major action blockbusters to Hans Zimmer Live in Prague. The majority of Atmos content consists of effects such as insects, birds, rustling leaves, wind, rain, and other ambient sounds/voices etc. Think about all the sounds we hear from above on a daily basis. LFE from aircraft, rockets, thunder, lightning, etc are the domain of subs...not overhead Atmos speakers. The question is will a bird chirp or falling rain sound 10X better from a $500 speaker than a $50 one? From my experience and IMO, the key consideration(s) for in ceiling Atmos speakers are (1) correct/optimized Atmos speaker placement/location and (2) wide dispersement.

I still have an nagging urge to replace my "cheap" speakers with the CDT-5800's. I've asked several AVS members who did purchase these and each person reported that they sounded great but also commented/admitted that it was probably overkill for Atmos. If you visit the "What's the best speaker for Atmos/" thread, you'll see recommendations run the gamut from Chevy's to Mercedes. But most have concluded that it's not necessary to spend more than $100 or so per speaker to achieve excellent Atmos performance....I would concur...proper installation is far more important.

For more guidance and perspectives, I would encourage visiting the Atmos thread as well.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...sion-1805.html
Thanks for the response. While I'm not talking about budget here. I understand Micca, RSL seems good value and I know a lot of people that use Klipsch brands are the CDT-5800s or 5600s. But I was just curious if anyone use the pro series specifically since I haven't heard anything bout it? I'm aware from a matching model perspective that the cdt models are for RF7 2s and the pro series are for the RP series speakers and possibly RF7 3s due to same rubber horn characteristics. I haven't decided when I will go atmos....I would need to upgrade my prepro and all first and need to save for that. And now its tax time....and I owe! Talk about perfect timing! LOL

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Thanks for the response. While I'm not talking about budget here. I understand Micca, RSL seems good value and I know a lot of people that use Klipsch brands are the CDT-5800s or 5600s.
Budget not withstanding, various AVSer's have reported excellent Atmos performance with all these models and brands. Conclusion? Perceived speaker brand/quality is not a critical component for good Atmos performance. In time, I will likely upgrade my "cheap" speakers to something more upscale...when and if I find them on CL...but not for performance reasons...but for OCD reasons!

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But I was just curious if anyone use the pro series specifically since I haven't heard anything bout it? I'm aware from a matching model perspective that the cdt models are for RF7 2s and the pro series are for the RP series speakers and possibly RF7 3s due to same rubber horn characteristics.
There's no doubt the Pro Series will perform admirably. From a pure performance perspective, it would be doubtful that in blind testing, listener's could discern the raindrops between a $50 and a $500 speaker.

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I haven't decided when I will go atmos....I would need to upgrade my prepro and all first and need to save for that.
The sooner the better...an exciting immersive experience awaits you! You may have seen this reference in my recent post...

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...l#post57705570

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And now its tax time....and I owe! Talk about perfect timing! LOL
Me too! Not filing til the 15th!
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Budget not withstanding, various AVSer's have reported excellent Atmos performance with all these models and brands. Conclusion? Perceived speaker brand/quality is not a critical component for good Atmos performance. In time, I will likely upgrade my "cheap" speakers to something more upscale...when and if I find them on CL...but not for performance reasons...but for OCD reasons!


There's no doubt the Pro Series will perform admirably. From a pure performance perspective, it would be doubtful that in blind testing, listener's could discern the raindrops between a $50 and a $500 speaker.


The sooner the better...an exciting immersive experience awaits you! You may have seen this reference in my recent post...

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...l#post57705570

Me too! Not filing til the 15th!
Yes mostly OCD reasons and I like to treat each speaker the same if possible if funds allow.

Think I should go ahead and order them and ask forgiveness later from IRS????
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Just wanted to keep it real: my system is a mix of Klipsch and MartinLogan Motion series speakers driven by the Marantz SR7012 with an Emotiva A-500.

Front / mains are a pair of Motion 40 which replaced my former mains Klipsch RP280C pair and the RP450C center still front & center. SVS SB16-Ultra is my sub / kicker, along with the 150 watt 10" Yamaha sub that is the only piece salvaged from my previous system built in the early 90's. Actually the Yamaha sub wasn't added until about 10 years ago.

I have an odd shaped listening room that is open to the kitchen and stairs to the 3rd floor with double height 17' ceiling, so any of the conventional "bounce" type atmospherics was out of the question. I ended up using SVS Prime Elevation speakers for the Atmos speakers, and I couldn't be happier!

With all horn- or AMT-based tweeters, I had to think hard about using the conventional cone type drivers for elevation speakers but the fact is that they are truly oversized even for my setup.

The thing is that Dolby Atmos, DTS (and Auro-3D if you have any) both / all don't need a whole Lotta horsepower to pull off the intended effects, and a true 5.2.2 setup sounds incredibly good if you have the right combination of speakers and amps!
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Since the rise of Atmos over the last 2-3 years, the number of Atmos postings and inquiries in this thread (Klipsch) have been minimal. This leads me to believe not many Klipsch owners have migrated to Atmos. Perhaps this is "one" of the reasons for the lack of responses to your inquiry. The "other possible reason" is my experience below....

When I dove into Atmos almost three years ago, there were few knowledgeable/experienced Atmos owners who could share Atmos speaker requirements...only in/on ceiling speakers for general whole house music applications. I then decided to experiment on my own to determine what actual Atmos demands and requirements were. Like almost everyone, my first inclination was to identify ceiling speakers that would match my mains in terms of quality, frequency response, timbre, etc. in essence...our old school thinking. So, my immediate choice were the Klipsch CDT-5800-C-II's. However, at their MSRP, it was a substantial investment for something that I may or may not like. Consequently, I decided to purchase some inexpensive 8" ($40) in ceiling speakers to determine what speaker characteristics were necessary and important with the full intent to ultimately replace these with more upscale better performing speakers to match my mains (RF-7'II's). To date, I have found no compelling reason to replace these inexpensive speakers. Having listened to virtually all of the Atmos and DTS:X content that have been released in the past 2-3 years, I'm still completely happly with the results....from major action blockbusters to Hans Zimmer Live in Prague. The majority of Atmos content consists of non demanding effects such as insects, birds, rustling leaves, wind, rain, and other ambient sounds/voices etc. Think about all the sounds we hear from above on a daily basis. LFE from aircraft, rockets, thunder, lightning, etc are the domain of subs...not overhead Atmos speakers. The question is will a bird chirp or falling rain sound 10X better from a $500 speaker than a $50 one? From my experience and IMO, the key consideration(s) for in ceiling Atmos speakers are (1) correct/optimized Atmos speaker placement/location and (2) wide dispersion.

I still have a nagging urge to replace my "cheap" speakers with the CDT-5800's. I've asked several AVS members who installed the 5800's and each owner reported that they sounded great but also commented/admitted that it was probably overkill for Atmos. If you visit the "What's the best speaker for Atmos?" thread, you'll see recommendations run the gamut from Chevy's to Mercedes. But most have concluded that it's not necessary to spend more than $100 or so per speaker to achieve excellent Atmos performance....I would concur...proper installation and dispersion are far more important.

For more guidance and perspectives, I would encourage visiting the official Atmos thread as well.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...sion-1805.html
Even though I have been a Klipsh owner for many, many years, I have just subscribed to this thread today.

I have followed Gene's Posts in the Onkyo (920) & (1100/3100) threads and am looking forward to Onkyos return to the top.

Gene's reply about Atmos seems to be quite insightful (practical as always) and a way to upgrade as we see fit.

I have just changed (upgraded ?) from a Pioneer SC-95 to a Marantz S7010. It took me a while to find a near new SR7010 at a reasonable price. The reason for the the SR7010 is it is the last year of the use of WIDE channels. My current system is 9.1.2. I have tried both Dolby Enabled (RP-140SA) and Front Height (RS-25) and although I have tried many different angles on the Dolby speakers and various tilts of the Heights, I have never experienced the (Fabulous) overhead effects.

I'm sure one of the main reasons for this problem is that my Surrounds and Rear Surrounds are still mounted at 66", about what is recommended in the Klipsch Manual. I plan on lowering them to about them to 48" (as low as they can go for my installation.)

Next plan (after lowering the surrounds) is to move the RP-140SA's to Front Height and add Klipsch XL-12 as rear height and bring the system to 7.1.4, just to see what the additional channels do.

I plan on moving sometime before this winter to a new apartment that has 9 foot plus ceilings. Although I can't install "Ceiling Speakers" in this apartment, "Pendant" speakers seem to be the most viable option.

I've been looking at several somewhat "inexpensive" Pendant type speakers, and your comments about the "Quality" of Dolby Speakers, has given me the "Nerve" to start out with a somewhat lesser quality speaker. The idea of soft-dome tweeters, as an "overhead" to blend with my titanium tweeters, just sounded wrong. We'll see.

Gene; Thanks Again for your insight:

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Even though I have been a Klipsh owner for many, many years, I have just subscribed to this thread today.

I have followed Gene's Posts in the Onkyo (920) & (1100/3100) threads and am looking forward to Onkyos return to the top.

Gene's reply about Atmos seems to be quite insightful (practical as always) and a way to upgrade as we see fit.

I have just changed (upgraded ?) from a Pioneer SC-95 to a Marantz S7010. It took me a while to find a near new SR7010 at a reasonable price. The reason for the the SR7010 is it is the last year of the use of WIDE channels. My current system is 9.1.2. I have tried both Dolby Enabled (RP-140SA) and Front Height (RS-25) and although I have tried many different angles on the Dolby speakers and various tilts of the Heights, I have never experienced the (Fabulous) overhead effects.

I'm sure one of the main reasons for this problem is that my Surrounds and Rear Surrounds are still mounted at 66", about what is recommended in the Klipsch Manual. I plan on lowering them to about them to 48" (as low as they can go for my installation.)

Next plan (after lowering the surrounds) is to move the RP-140SA's to Front Height and add Klipsch XL-12 as rear height and bring the system to 7.1.4, just to see what the additional channels do.

I plan on moving sometime before this winter to a new apartment that has 9 foot plus ceilings. Although I can't install "Ceiling Speakers" in this apartment, "Pendant" speakers seem to be the most viable option.

I've been looking at several somewhat "inexpensive" Pendant type speakers, and your comments about the "Quality" of Dolby Speakers, has given me the "Nerve" to start out with a somewhat lesser quality speaker. The idea of soft-dome tweeters, as an "overhead" to blend with my titanium tweeters, just sounded wrong. We'll see.

Gene; Thanks Again for your insight:

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You're welcome...appreciate your kind remarks.

As you're becoming aware, most experienced Atmos enthusiasts have obtained the most accurate and immersive Atmos performance with in/on ceiling speakers, followed by height speakers, followed by DAES (reflective/bouncy) type speakers. All can provide varying degrees of Atmos performance...some more satisfying than others...dependent on room parameters/constraints, proper speaker location, and speaker dispersion characteristics.

Lowering your surrounds should immediately yield more favorable performance as the separation of base and height level speakers are paramount to obtaining accurate and realistic object placement in space.

Although a x.x.2 config will yield good results, a x.x.4 config will improve upon and complete the "immersive bubble" by providing front to back and back to front pans. Some prefer wides and some prefer 4 overheads. As of late, it appears more movies contain more overhead information/effects. I'm betting that 4 pendants at 8'-9' will yield more satisfying Atmos performance!

Lastly, for more Atmos specific information and guidance, you may want to visit the official Atmos thread as many knowledgeable folks frequently post there. Good luck with your continued Atmos pursuit!

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I've never personally heard either the RP-150M or RP-160M. But these are the surrounds I'm looking to get to replace my R-15M from Best Buy. Since I've never heard these in person before are they "worth the weight in gold" so to speak worthy surround speakers? My main use for these are for movie watching. I know the 600M is more money than the 160M. Which one is better and why?
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The majority of Atmos content consists of non demanding effects such as insects, birds, rustling leaves, wind, rain, and other ambient sounds/voices etc. Think about all the sounds we hear from above on a daily basis. LFE from aircraft, rockets, thunder, lightning, etc are the domain of subs...not overhead Atmos speakers.
Thanks for the in depth view on Atmos.

The majority of the output of Atmos (which I have never heard in a house, just a theater), is exactly what you explained but some members have vehemently attacked this pointing out that Atmos also deals with non ambient voices (as in dialog) which I found odd and not my personal experience in theaters.

They then point members to cabinet speakers matching the other speakers suspended from the ceiling which I thought absurd but they were adamant.

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Question for those with RP series speakers and using Audyssey app. This is likely to be more room and ear dependent but asking anyway. I'm trying to find what works best in terms of multieq frequency range limits. See sig for my setup. However you can't really do quick A/B compares so by the time I upload a new calibration from my phone I have a hard time telling what sounds better. Maybe I have short auditory memory or something. What I can do is quickly turn on and off L/R bypass and I can clearly say when calibration is left full range and I change to bypass L/R with 2 channel music, there is a clear decline in quality. If I cut off at 500Hz and do the same quick switch to L/R bypass there is less of a difference but still sounds fine to me in isolation. So this tells me maybe full range or at least something in between 500hz and full range is probably better. I guess I can keep doing this with in between frequencies and see when I notice a difference between L/R bypass and reference. This is an untreated living room 24x16 and we sit about 14 ft from front sound stage. Hardwood floors but large area rug and large sectional sofa. But there is a very large reflective surface (window) next to sofa. So just wondering if other RP owners have found any clear eq frequency range that these speakers do best with? I'm guessing there is unlikely to be any consistency amongst owners due to so many variables but thought I'd ask. I also find it interesting that the well regarded ARC system by default only eq's up to 5 KHz which is about where Audyssey's reference curve starts to apply high frequency roll off so thought about trying to use that as my next trial.

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Good evening, everyone. I am looking to finally upgrade my front L/R home theater speakers after having pretty much the same ones for over 15 years.
Right now I have the Bose 301s as my L/R mains, Polk Audio CSi5 center, Bose 201 rear, and Polk T15 as rear highs. My AVR is an Onkyo TX-NR777.
Over time, I plan on upgrading all the speakers, except maybe the Polk center as I do like the sound it produces, but am wanting to start with the L/R mains. After doing some online research, because unfortunately I cannot demo these speakers due to location and lack of options, I believe Klipsch may be the best way to go. I have a budget of $1500 max, that's including tax, with Best Buy as my store option. That 24 month 0 interest is nice. The RP8000f seems like a really great option. They do have the R820f as well, which would save $300 overall, but I am not sure of the difference other than the RP8000 having a titanium tweeter vs the aluminum in the 820. That gives the 8000 a slightly higher frequency range.
My question is, with my setup, will the step up to the 8000f be worth it or is there another speaker option anyone would recommend?
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Good evening, everyone. I am looking to finally upgrade my front L/R home theater speakers after having pretty much the same ones for over 15 years.
Right now I have the Bose 301s as my L/R mains, Polk Audio CSi5 center, Bose 201 rear, and Polk T15 as rear highs. My AVR is an Onkyo TX-NR777.
Over time, I plan on upgrading all the speakers, except maybe the Polk center as I do like the sound it produces, but am wanting to start with the L/R mains. After doing some online research, because unfortunately I cannot demo these speakers due to location and lack of options, I believe Klipsch may be the best way to go. I have a budget of $1500 max, that's including tax, with Best Buy as my store option. That 24 month 0 interest is nice. The RP8000f seems like a really great option. They do have the R820f as well, which would save $300 overall, but I am not sure of the difference other than the RP8000 having a titanium tweeter vs the aluminum in the 820. That gives the 8000 a slightly higher frequency range.
My question is, with my setup, will the step up to the 8000f be worth it or is there another speaker option anyone would recommend?
Thanks for your time.
The 8000f is going to be worth it. While the R series has been improved, I doubt it sounds as good as the 8000f. The newest RP series has been really liked by almost everyone that has heard it. If nothing else, it will compete with anything in it's price range. Remember, with Best Buy, you can return it if you decide you don't like it.
Heck, you could buy both from Best Buy, and return the 8000f if you don't think it's worth it. Later on, I would recommend you get a matching center from Klipsch as finances allow, and go from there Not because the Polk is bad, just to have a matching front 3, which is considered best by most people. The Polk might blend in just fine, I don't know.
But, you can rest assured, that while there maybe, and probably are, speakers out there in that price range that are just as good, none will be better, and the Klipsch will have more dynamic range than any of them due to their higher than average sensitivity.
The tweeter is where the RP series really shines, it's not just the titanium, it's the other work, like the phase plug and the rubberized horn that all comes together to provide a good experience. And, I would guess that the box is thicker MDF, creating fewer resonances.

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Hey guys wanted to double check before I pulled the trigger on a center channel and maybe some in-ceiling rear channel or something small almost cube like.

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Family room is carpet approx 20x20 that opens into a large kitchen with 10' ceiling.
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First off I was told that 2 larger drivers in a center channel is better than 4 smaller drivers?
If that's the case would the RP-500c/RP-600c be a good match for my RP-260F towers?
or is it worth looking in to the RP-404c/440c/504c?

My other question is are expensive rear channel speakers a waste of money or do they need to match my fronts and center?
I'm thinking about jumping in to the Dolby Atmos scene but I don't think my receiver supports it, with it being replaced which in-ceiling/height speakers would you guys/girls recommend that's affordable?

(NOTE: I dont have a wall behind my couch, behind my couch is the other 20x20 half of the room which is the kitchen)
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My review of the RP-8000f tower speakers, SVS SB-3000 subs & Marantz SR-8012

I apologize in advance for the long read.

I consider myself a high-end audiophile with a keen attention to detail. I have been building audio systems for personal use for over 40 years. This review and opinion are of course subjective and specific to my ears. Your mileage may vary. I listen to 80% music and 20% home theater. I listen to classic rock, jazz and anything good other than RAP.

My wife, best friend and life partner passed away recently after 38 years of marriage and I sold my house and moved into a small apartment until I can decide on something permanent. She passed away in our home under hospice care and I just could not stay there any longer, so I sold. I put my entire audio system in storage with the rest of my life. My small apartment is much too small for my current audio system. The system consists of two Thiel CS7.2 speakers, they cost 7,000.00 each and are incredible speakers approaching 17 years old. Thiel MCS1 center, Musical Fidelity M-250 mono blocks for all three front and center. Arcam AV9 processor. Anticables Level 2.1 performance series speaker cables. The sound from this system has been the pinnacle of anything that I have ever built. All speakers were on two inches of granite coupled with Black Diamond carbon fiber racing cones.

With this system in storage I decided to get a new system for my apartment with the hope I could simplify my setup for the future and build a much smaller family room.

I have always wanted to try a horn loaded speaker but always steered away from them because most would tend to wear me out quickly at volume. I had an opportunity to hear a pair of RP-8000Fs and was impressed with them. They were far more neutral than anything I had heard from Klipsch before. (I have not listened to the RF 7 III 2 or 3s. The 1s wore me out)
I purchased two RP-8000Fs in piano back finish along with a matching RP-504C center channel and two SVS SB-3000 subs. I decided I wanted to try the new immersive sound formats, so I pulled the trigger on the Marantz SR-8012.

I purchased the Marantz SR-8012 and a pair of passive KEF LS50s a few months before the Klipsch and SVS speakers. I was not able to get to a state of happiness with the KEF LS50s and was disappointed in what I was hearing. I know the subs would have helped the LS50s and I may revisit them later. For now, I’m focusing on the Klipsch.

On with the review:

Immediately the RP-8000s outperformed the LS50s in a few key areas. First was the ability to listen at low volumes and hear everything. I was blown away because these are the first speakers, I have owned that I can listen to at low volumes and still enjoy the detail. Second, I noticed that I can listen to less than stellar CD recordings which make up a majority of my 2300 CDs. They sound fresh and new with more fidelity and are no longer as painful to listen to. Thirdly the Marantz seemed to drive them effortlessly All three of these performance metrics where a problem with my 7.2s and LS50s. I’m not comparing bass between the LS50s and the 8000s for obvious reasons.

I prefer to listen to everything flat. For me its Pure Direct and Analog with no additional tone adjustments. I’m amazed at how neutral yet articulate the RP-8000s are. To my ears the sound is not colored in any way, similar to my CS 7.2s and better than the LS50s. This was surprising to me because everything I have read always stated that horn speakers where toned for Rock music and could be fatiguing. High quality, high resolution recordings are jaw dropping on the RP-8000s and they are not a one trick pony, because you can still enjoy the lessor quality recordings.

The RP-8000f speakers have not been fatiguing at all and have excelled in all forms of music genre punching well above their weight in price. It usually takes me a while to warm up to a new set of speakers especially through the break-in period. To my ears it took about 100 hours before they finally broke in and started to sound effortless.

Regarding power amplification I’m using the Marantz SR-8012 which I have been very impressed with overall. When I was driving the LS50s they sounded good but always left me thinking I needed to go to my storage unit and get two of my Musical Fidelity mono blocks to get more out of the LS50s. My CS7.2s would be impossible to drive from the Marantz unless I pre-out to the mono blocks. This is another reason that led me to the Klipsch speakers because of their efficiency and my goal to perhaps not go forward with mono block amplifiers. (Only for simplification and space saving).

The Marantz SR-8012 drives the RP-8000fs with great precision at low and high volumes and with perfect punch for music and movies. I’m completely satisfied with the sound. Yes of course I would like to hear 8000fs driven by the mono blocks, however its not needed to make me happy with the sound, a first in many years!

In the past I have used only one subwoofer which was one of the original analog RSL speed woofers. I didn’t need more bass because of the epic CS7.2 full range abilities. I used it only for home theater to get that little bit of extra pressurization. The RSL speed woofer is an excellent subwoofer for the money and blends very well.

However, the dual SB-3000s are a different animal and are the icing on the cake for the RP-8000f setup for both music and home theater. To my ears this combo produces stunning sound. I elected to go with the SB-3000s vs the PB-3000s because of the amount of time I spend listening to 2 channel music vs. home theater. Don’t let that mislead you though the dual SB-3000s produce all the thunder I can stand for home theater and are spot on tight for music.

For months I played around with cross over settings, sometimes going weeks at a specific cross over point. Of course, room size and acoustic dampening plays a key role here. I ended up settling on 60hz for the RP-8000f and 80hz for the RP-504C. I felt that 60hz for the RP-8000fs really let the Klipsch shine across their frequency range and gave a little less to the subs which in my room was the best balance. Music is tight and articulate with excellent sound stage and imaging. The SB-3000s blend so well they make the RP-8000s sound incredible.

All I can say is what a great speaker the RP-8000f is for the price.

Hope this helps those that are trying to decide on a specific direction.
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I apologize in advance for the long read.

I consider myself a high-end audiophile with a keen attention to detail. I have been building audio systems for personal use for over 40 years. This review and opinion are of course subjective and specific to my ears. Your mileage may vary. I listen to 80% music and 20% home theater. I listen to classic rock, jazz and anything good other than RAP.

My wife, best friend and life partner passed away recently after 38 years of marriage and I sold my house and moved into a small apartment until I can decide on something permanent. She passed away in our home under hospice care and I just could not stay there any longer, so I sold. I put my entire audio system in storage with the rest of my life. My small apartment is much too small for my current audio system. The system consists of two Thiel CS7.2 speakers, they cost 7,000.00 each and are incredible speakers approaching 17 years old. Thiel MCS1 center, Musical Fidelity M-250 mono blocks for all three front and center. Arcam AV9 processor. Anticables Level 2.1 performance series speaker cables. The sound from this system has been the pinnacle of anything that I have ever built. All speakers were on two inches of granite coupled with Black Diamond carbon fiber racing cones.

With this system in storage I decided to get a new system for my apartment with the hope I could simplify my setup for the future and build a much smaller family room.

I have always wanted to try a horn loaded speaker but always steered away from them because most would tend to wear me out quickly at volume. I had an opportunity to hear a pair of RP-8000Fs and was impressed with them. They were far more neutral than anything I had heard from Klipsch before. (I have not listened to the RF 7 III 2 or 3s. The 1s wore me out)
I purchased two RP-8000Fs in piano back finish along with a matching RP-504C center channel and two SVS SB-3000 subs. I decided I wanted to try the new immersive sound formats, so I pulled the trigger on the Marantz SR-8012.

I purchased the Marantz SR-8012 and a pair of passive KEF LS50s a few months before the Klipsch and SVS speakers. I was not able to get to a state of happiness with the KEF LS50s and was disappointed in what I was hearing. I know the subs would have helped the LS50s and I may revisit them later. For now, I’m focusing on the Klipsch.

On with the review:

Immediately the RP-8000s outperformed the LS50s in a few key areas. First was the ability to listen at low volumes and hear everything. I was blown away because these are the first speakers, I have owned that I can listen to at low volumes and still enjoy the detail. Second, I noticed that I can listen to less than stellar CD recordings which make up a majority of my 2300 CDs. They sound fresh and new with more fidelity and are no longer as painful to listen to. Thirdly the Marantz seemed to drive them effortlessly All three of these performance metrics where a problem with my 7.2s and LS50s. I’m not comparing bass between the LS50s and the 8000s for obvious reasons.

I prefer to listen to everything flat. For me its Pure Direct and Analog with no additional tone adjustments. I’m amazed at how neutral yet articulate the RP-8000s are. To my ears the sound is not colored in any way, similar to my CS 7.2s and better than the LS50s. This was surprising to me because everything I have read always stated that horn speakers where toned for Rock music and could be fatiguing. High quality, high resolution recordings are jaw dropping on the RP-8000s and they are not a one trick pony, because you can still enjoy the lessor quality recordings.

The RP-8000f speakers have not been fatiguing at all and have excelled in all forms of music genre punching well above their weight in price. It usually takes me a while to warm up to a new set of speakers especially through the break-in period. To my ears it took about 100 hours before they finally broke in and started to sound effortless.

Regarding power amplification I’m using the Marantz SR-8012 which I have been very impressed with overall. When I was driving the LS50s they sounded good but always left me thinking I needed to go to my storage unit and get two of my Musical Fidelity mono blocks to get more out of the LS50s. My CS7.2s would be impossible to drive from the Marantz unless I pre-out to the mono blocks. This is another reason that led me to the Klipsch speakers because of their efficiency and my goal to perhaps not go forward with mono block amplifiers. (Only for simplification and space saving).

The Marantz SR-8012 drives the RP-8000fs with great precision at low and high volumes and with perfect punch for music and movies. I’m completely satisfied with the sound. Yes of course I would like to hear 8000fs driven by the mono blocks, however its not needed to make me happy with the sound, a first in many years!

In the past I have used only one subwoofer which was one of the original analog RSL speed woofers. I didn’t need more bass because of the epic CS7.2 full range abilities. I used it only for home theater to get that little bit of extra pressurization. The RSL speed woofer is an excellent subwoofer for the money and blends very well.

However, the dual SB-3000s are a different animal and are the icing on the cake for the RP-8000f setup for both music and home theater. To my ears this combo produces stunning sound. I elected to go with the SB-3000s vs the PB-3000s because of the amount of time I spend listening to 2 channel music vs. home theater. Don’t let that mislead you though the dual SB-3000s produce all the thunder I can stand for home theater and are spot on tight for music.

For months I played around with cross over settings, sometimes going weeks at a specific cross over point. Of course, room size and acoustic dampening plays a key role here. I ended up settling on 60hz for the RP-8000f and 80hz for the RP-504C. I felt that 60hz for the RP-8000fs really let the Klipsch shine across their frequency range and gave a little less to the subs which in my room was the best balance. Music is tight and articulate with excellent sound stage and imaging. The SB-3000s blend so well they make the RP-8000s sound incredible.

All I can say is what a great speaker the RP-8000f is for the price.

Hope this helps those that are trying to decide on a specific direction.
Your review reflects my own past experiences and I find it both balanced and accurate. Having traveled a similar path to my current system, I can certainly identify with your recent discovery. I have auditioned the 8012 in my home and have settled in on both Klipsch and SVS pieces. Enjoy!

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The 8000f is going to be worth it. While the R series has been improved, I doubt it sounds as good as the 8000f. The newest RP series has been really liked by almost everyone that has heard it. If nothing else, it will compete with anything in it's price range. Remember, with Best Buy, you can return it if you decide you don't like it.
Heck, you could buy both from Best Buy, and return the 8000f if you don't think it's worth it. Later on, I would recommend you get a matching center from Klipsch as finances allow, and go from there Not because the Polk is bad, just to have a matching front 3, which is considered best by most people. The Polk might blend in just fine, I don't know.
But, you can rest assured, that while there maybe, and probably are, speakers out there in that price range that are just as good, none will be better, and the Klipsch will have more dynamic range than any of them due to their higher than average sensitivity.
The tweeter is where the RP series really shines, it's not just the titanium, it's the other work, like the phase plug and the rubberized horn that all comes together to provide a good experience. And, I would guess that the box is thicker MDF, creating fewer resonances.
Thank you for the info and to others posting review. Really helped solidify my decision and pulled the trigger. Now comes the hardest part...waiting on delivery from UPS. They make me nervous sometimes. Lol.
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are there any sales coming soon for RP line?
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Klipsch usually has something on sale monthly, just check somewhere like Crutchfield or Amazon every month until what you want goes on sale.
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