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Help with side and rear

I am starting my build for a dedicated theater room 21x13x8 and have decided to use RP-600M for L/R and RP 504C for center and I will be using 4 Klipsch CDT-5650-C II in ceiling for Atmos.

The issue now is side and rears and this is were I could use some advice.

I was looking at using the RP-500M for the sides and rears but they would be wall mounted. There is a key-hole mount on the back of the speaker but if I mount them using the key-hole then the rear port is up against the wall and it seems that would have a negative effect of the sound quality? So is there a better way to mount them? or am I mistaken? or should I look at in-walls for these speakers?

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I am starting my build for a dedicated theater room 21x13x8 and have decided to use RP-600M for L/R and RP 504C for center and I will be using 4 Klipsch CDT-5650-C II in ceiling for Atmos.

The issue now is side and rears and this is were I could use some advice.

I was looking at using the RP-500M for the sides and rears but they would be wall mounted. There is a key-hole mount on the back of the speaker but if I mount them using the key-hole then the rear port is up against the wall and it seems that would have a negative effect of the sound quality? So is there a better way to mount them? or am I mistaken? or should I look at in-walls for these speakers?

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Question first...how many rows of seating will there be?

Side surrounds: Direct firing speakers (RP-500M) are recommended for a single row while a more wide dispersion speaker (RP-402S/RP-502S) better accommodates mult-row seating. Mounting the RP-500M against the wall with it's port blocked will somewhat limit its bass response but as a surround speaker...it's not likely to be critical. If you have the room/space at the sides, I've seen people place them on stands and/or suspend them from the ceiling and slightly away (1"-2") from the wall...all at ear or slightly above ear level. As you've also indicated, 'in walls" are also a good solution. And, the RP-402S or RP-502S are also good solution.

Rear surrounds: By far, the side surrounds are the most active. By comparison, the content going to the rears are minimal. Therefore, typically direct radiating speakesr are used for rear duty. The RP-500M's (blocked port will likely be ok in the rear) and the "in walls" will be fine in the rear.

IMO, in your scenario, the RP-402S/RP502S would both function and look best for the side surrounds...followed by "in walls" while either the RP-500M's or "in walls" will work for the rears. Good luck with your decision!

Edit: Just remembered some folks here have utilized this type of mount successfully...allows port to properly function....more like these on Amazon.

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Anyone have a stand recommend (going on HW floors) for the 600M's I am going to use as rear/side surrounds with 500SA's on top?

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Anyone have a stand recommend (going on HW floors) for the 600M's I am going to use as rear/side surrounds with 500SA's on top?
If Atmos is now or in your future, recommended "side surround" speaker height is at or slightly above seated ear level. For most installations, this would call for stand heights around 36" or slightly higher. WRT to the "rear surrounds," just ensure speakers are above the seat backs. I have no first hand experience with any particular stands relative to rigidity or stability but Sanus seems to be popular. Of course budget and looks have a lot to do with your decision as well. Good luck with your decision! And be sure to post pictures.
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I did some figuring, I am going to reconfigure and not have the atmos at first, after looking at the room. So Ill have the 8000's up front, the 504C up front, a Rythmik FV15HP up front, and the 502S's as side surrounds to begin. New A9G will sit on the 504C, like the A8F does now, and the A8F is going in the living room. The HT room is 12x13, so to start that 5.1 system with a 65" OLED should be a lot of fun, especially since it is my first 5.X system, Ive been 3.X up until now.
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I did some figuring, I am going to reconfigure and not have the atmos at first, after looking at the room. So Ill have the 8000's up front, the 504C up front, a Rythmik FV15HP up front, and the 502S's as side surrounds to begin. New A9G will sit on the 504C, like the A8F does now, and the A8F is going in the living room. The HT room is 12x13, so to start that 5.1 system with a 65" OLED should be a lot of fun, especially since it is my first 5.X system, Ive been 3.X up until now.
Nice...Expanding to 5.1 will put a smile on you face..especially for movies...and you’ll wonder why you didn’t do it sooner. The addition of the 502S is an excellent choice!
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I’m about to jump on the Atmos bandwagon with 4 RP-500sa’s. Since I have a popcorn ceiling I am thinking about a height installation in the front and in the back.

The only thing I can’t find information of is the correct height and width installation compared to my mains and surrounds. Do the height need to be in a straight line of the mains or can they be mounted somewhat inwards the main sound stage?

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The only thing I can’t find information of is the correct height and width installation compared to my mains and surrounds. Do the height need to be in a straight line of the mains or can they be mounted somewhat inwards the main sound stage?
The best is around the fronts, but you can put inward, just not too close, like at least 6 foot far from each other. With this you can make smaller/bigger "space" for the headroom. I had mine's on the side walls L/R.

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The best is around the fronts, but you can put inward, just not too close, like at least 6 foot far from each other. With this you can make smaller/bigger "space" for the headroom. I had mine's on the side walls L/R.


Thanks, I’ve uploaded two pictures. Is it possible for you to point out where they exactly can be mounted?

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Thanks, I’ve uploaded two pictures. Is it possible for you to point out where they exactly can be mounted?

Above Fronts is good and the same wide on the back wall. I think the room's inner height is 2.7 meters, so put as hight as yu can to the ceiling, just under. Because the back "window/door" maybe you need to put a bit wider.

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In my home theater, my main L/R is a pair of bookshelf RB-81 II.
I'm now listening more and more to two channel music, mostly SACD's. I am using my subs with my main L/R.

My question is; if I replaced my bookshelf RB-81 II, for a pair of floor standing RP8000F (or other suggestions?), would I notice a difference? like Wow! Or, would I be wasting my money?

I'm not looking to extend the deeper lows, but mostly the mids and singers voices. I think the RB-81 II sound pretty good, but wondering if it could be fuller (looking for clear, natural, non harsh/shrill, at slightly higher listening levels)

Here's my configuration right now. I measured, there is room for the towers. I would just slightly move the subs in toward the center about 2 inches (this is only because of the tower 17" depth, the width is fine).
Also, if I do this, should I move the speakers away from the back wall a bit (toward the listener)? As you can see, I can not move them away from the side walls, at least not much.
I made the decision to go with a pair of RP8000F's to replace my RB-81 II's (L/R location). I was worried I wouldn't be able to tell the difference. I'm very pleased, a noticeable difference, even at normal listening volume. much clearer and more defined. Today I'm adding an Emotiva A-300 two channel amp for L/R and Emotiva PA-1 monoblock amp for the center. I want to take some of the load off my Denon x4200w. I'm listening to more music now and hope the A-300 is a nice addition.
Here's a picture of the new RP8000F's. I have black velvet cloth draped over everything to completely eliminate light reflection from the screen.
How well does the rc62ii mix with the rf8000f?
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How well does the rc62ii mix with the rf8000f?
It seems to mix well, but, my curiosity got the best of me! I ordered an RP-504C which is arriving today.

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It seems to mix well, but, my curiosity got the best of me! I ordered an RP-504C which is arriving today.
Im curious to see your impressions. I have RP280F with RC62II and it works very well. I think people overthink the "matching". A center channel speaker with different sized drivers, in a smaller horizontal enclosure sitting at a lower height is going to sound different than the mains. Im more curious about the 2x 6.5" driver Vs the 4x 5" driver sound along with the updated tweeter design. Some honest impressions will be interesting to see.
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Im curious to see your impressions. I have RP280F with RC62II and it works very well. I think people overthink the "matching". A center channel speaker with different sized drivers, in a smaller horizontal enclosure sitting at a lower height is going to sound different than the mains. Im more curious about the 2x 6.5" driver Vs the 4x 5" driver sound along with the updated tweeter design. Some honest impressions will be interesting to see.
I'm hoping to hear a difference, but guessing it won't be much. I'll let you know.

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Hi all! I’m looking for good speaker stands for the bookshelf RP-600M speakers that are used as surrounds. Thanks!!


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Im curious to see your impressions. I have RP280F with RC62II and it works very well. I think people overthink the "matching". A center channel speaker with different sized drivers, in a smaller horizontal enclosure sitting at a lower height is going to sound different than the mains. Im more curious about the 2x 6.5" driver Vs the 4x 5" driver sound along with the updated tweeter design. Some honest impressions will be interesting to see.
I'm hoping to hear a difference, but guessing it won't be much. I'll let you know.

I'm guessing room correction/EQ, on your AVR, has EQ'd so you would not even notice a difference between the timber match. Shouldn't be a huge amount of difference between the series anyway.
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RP-500SA DOLBY ATMOS on ceiling

I wanted to see if anyone has mounted the RP-500SA Dolby speakers on ceiling firing down? and if so how did you do it?
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I wanted to see if anyone has mounted the RP-500SA Dolby speakers on ceiling firing down? and if so how did you do it?
Not recommended...the 500SA’s are a Dolby Atmos Enabled Speaker and typically used as an (1) upfiring speaker or (2) as a wall mounted front or rear “height” speaker...not intended for “on ceiling” mounting. Mounting “on ceiling” will likely present issues with proper and accurate dispersion. Your original objective of using the CDT 5650’s “in ceiling” is the proper way to go.
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Not recommended...the 500SA’s are a Dolby Atmos Enabled Speaker and typically used as an (1) upfiring speaker or (2) as a wall mounted front or rear “height” speaker...not intended for “on ceiling” mounting. Mounting “on ceiling” will likely present issues with proper and accurate dispersion. Your original objective of using the CDT 5650’s “in ceiling” is the proper way to go.
Thanks, that is what I figured just wanted to confirm.

Think I am going to use the CDT-5800-C II actually instead since I already decided I am going to upgrade to 8000's up front and 500m side and surround think it will blend better.

Now last but not least need to choose the sub and I am done with the speaker part.

I appreciate the feedback and help.
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Thanks, that is what I figured just wanted to confirm.

Think I am going to use the CDT-5800-C II actually instead since I already decided I am going to upgrade to 8000's up front and 500m side and surround think it will blend better.

Now last but not least need to choose the sub and I am done with the speaker part.

I appreciate the feedback and help.
This is inherently an "old school" premise that leads us into thinking that we need to "match/blend" the FR and timbre of Atmos speakers to our L & R mains. In fact, the content for Atmos speakers...i.e. insects, birds, wind, rain, rustling leaves, the occasional ambient sounds and voices are not very demanding. Although the 5800's are a very capable speaker, many who have installed them have admittedly said they were excellent speakers but "overkill" for Atmos. This being said, the 5650 and even the 3650's are more than capable of handling Atmos chores. Both of these have pivoting woofers which provide the flexibility to be installed with accurate results relative to the MLP. I personally have very inexpensive Atmos speakers and can attest that it is not necessary to spend more than $100 - $125 or so each for excellent Atmos performance. BTW...most authorized dealers can and will quote pricing on these speakers for significantly less than MSRP. Of course, the choice and budget are your decisions as I just wanted to share my perspective and experience.

If interested, I had posted the following previously....

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This is inherently an "old school" premise that leads us into thinking that we need to "match/blend" the FR and timbre of Atmos speakers to our L & R mains. In fact, the content for Atmos speakers...i.e. insects, birds, wind, rain, rustling leaves, the occasional ambient sounds and voices are not very demanding. Although the 5800's are a very capable speaker, many who have installed them have admittedly said they were excellent speakers but "overkill" for Atmos. This being said, the 5650 and even the 3650's are more than capable of handling Atmos chores. Both of these have pivoting woofers which provide the flexibility to be installed with accurate results relative to the MLP. I personally have very inexpensive Atmos speakers and can attest that it is not necessary to spend more than $100 - $125 or so each for excellent Atmos performance. BTW...most authorized dealers can and will quote pricing on these speakers for significantly less than MSRP. Of course, the choice and budget are your decisions as I just wanted to share my perspective and experience.

If interested, I had posted the following previously....

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-sp...l#post57871854
Thanks for the pull back to reality. I was originally going to use 4 RSL ceiling speakers because of the cost and good reviews. Then got in my own head and started second guessing myself, then decided to go for the 5650 like I had originally posted to stay within Klipsch line. I appreciate the voice of sensibility. Think I will ask for a price with the 3650's.

Right now I am getting a 21% discount on list should I be shooting for more?

I would much rather put the extra savings into sub's than Atmos speakers.

Thanks again
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Absolutely...for HT, along with the center channel speaker, the sub is the most important component and would not want to skimp...spend as much as budget allows.

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My Klipsch speakers are around 25 years old, but still sound good, but was thinking of going with Micca M-8C 8 Inch ceiling speakers to save money and I like the idea of an 8" speaker instead of a 6.5" speaker. I have seen some others use them on the forum for Atmos. The boss will like the price better as well. If I go with Klipsch it would be the 3650's.

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Im curious to see your impressions. I have RP280F with RC62II and it works very well. I think people overthink the "matching". A center channel speaker with different sized drivers, in a smaller horizontal enclosure sitting at a lower height is going to sound different than the mains. Im more curious about the 2x 6.5" driver Vs the 4x 5" driver sound along with the updated tweeter design. Some honest impressions will be interesting to see.
I'm hoping to hear a difference, but guessing it won't be much. I'll let you know.
Ok, got the 504c hooked up, reran calibration. I’ve made 4 changes in the last month. Each change has allowed me to more comfortably listen to levels louder than before. The first change was 8000’s, second was a Left/Right Emotiva amp, third was a Center Emotiva amp, and fourth, the center 504C.
I played some favorite mult-channel concerts with a lot of voice singing. The 504c definitely sounds smoother. It seems more natural when I turn it up. I can play at -5db and it sounds great. I’m happy with the change. Was it worth dropping $650? Hey, this is an enjoyable hobby!

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Ok, got the 504c hooked up, reran calibration. I’ve made 4 changes in the last month. Each change has allowed me to more comfortably listen to levels louder than before. The first change was 8000’s, second was a Left/Right Emotiva amp, third was a Center Emotiva amp, and fourth, the center 504C.
I played some favorite mult-channel concerts with a lot of voice singing. The 504c definitely sounds smoother. It seems more natural when I turn it up. I can play at -5db and it sounds great. I’m happy with the change. Was it worth dropping $650? Hey, this is an enjoyable hobby!
Appreciate the feedback. I dont have a lot of multichannel music (a few Blu Ray concerts). Music for me is mostly stereo. Generally, my center channel is for TV/movies. Have you tried that out yet? If you were to honestly rate the 2 speakers 1-10, where would you put them? As I posted previous, Im happy with the RC62II, but always wondered how the 4 driver 450/504 would compare.
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My Klipsch speakers are around 25 years old, but still sound good, but was thinking of going with Micca M-8C 8 Inch ceiling speakers to save money and I like the idea of an 8" speaker instead of a 6.5" speaker. I have seen some others use them on the forum for Atmos. The boss will like the price better as well. If I go with Klipsch it would be the 3650's.
After almost three years with these Micca's, I have absolutely no compelling reason to replace them with more "upscale" speakers. As they only costs $40 ea, there's really no reason not to try them. At this price, you can always upgrade at any time without hesitation if you feel performance is lacking...win/win!
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Does anyone have the Klipsch THX 8000-L's? I just ordered a set of three that I am going to try as my LCR. I have a full 7 speaker surround of R-5800ii's and R-5650-S ii that I think will blend in fine. I am really just curious if anyone has used these THX speakers or has any reviews on them. I have looked around and found little to nothing that wasn't from Klipsch. I did find one youtube video from Dreamedia about them but not much of a specific review. Thanks

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Appreciate the feedback. I dont have a lot of multichannel music (a few Blu Ray concerts). Music for me is mostly stereo. Generally, my center channel is for TV/movies. Have you tried that out yet? If you were to honestly rate the 2 speakers 1-10, where would you put them? As I posted previous, Im happy with the RC62II, but always wondered how the 4 driver 450/504 would compare.
I haven't done movies yet, but soon will. I would like to listen for a few more hours before evaluating, I won't forget.

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Im curious to see your impressions. I have RP280F with RC62II and it works very well. I think people overthink the "matching". A center channel speaker with different sized drivers, in a smaller horizontal enclosure sitting at a lower height is going to sound different than the mains. Im more curious about the 2x 6.5" driver Vs the 4x 5" driver sound along with the updated tweeter design. Some honest impressions will be interesting to see.
I'm hoping to hear a difference, but guessing it won't be much. I'll let you know.
Ok, got the 504c hooked up, reran calibration. I’ve made 4 changes in the last month. Each change has allowed me to more comfortably listen to levels louder than before. The first change was 8000’s, second was a Left/Right Emotiva amp, third was a Center Emotiva amp, and fourth, the center 504C.
I played some favorite mult-channel concerts with a lot of voice singing. The 504c definitely sounds smoother. It seems more natural when I turn it up. I can play at -5db and it sounds great. I’m happy with the change. Was it worth dropping $650? Hey, this is an enjoyable hobby!
Did the Emotiva amps make a huge difference? Worth the upgrade?
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