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Anyone have thoughts on this?
Conventional wisdom has always suggested that three identical speakers should be used to ensure accurate timbre matching across the front stage...especially for movies.
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Conventional wisdom has always suggested that three identical speakers should be used to ensure accurate timbre matching across the front stage...especially for movies.
There's already a mismatch due to the different size and design of the current center vs. the L/R. My thinking would be that the 280F probably isn't that different from the 8000f, and even if it was it would still be closer than the current 450C.

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There's already a mismatch due to the different size and design of the current center vs. the L/R. My thinking would be that the 280F probably isn't that different from the 8000f, and even if it was it would still be closer than the current 450C.
That’s true. The only real test is actually trying the 280f which is likely to be fine. My previous comment refers to the ideal case.

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Finally back in business! Top right sub amp had issues and had waited since 5/28/2019 and finally had my R-115SW amp arrive 8/16/2019 from Klipsch warranty. Great guys. I had the other 3 sub amps replaced a year ago and still going great. The first replacements for the 3 still had issues and failed. These are all good now. Calibrated to reference (75dB for each pair) which is great for headroom as each sub is only at 69dB each. Got both sub 1 & 2 to be -8.5 level in my Denon. Haven’t raised the level yet.

Also I finally have symmetry instead of an iPhone 11 pro max 3 camera array (which I will be owning lol). Next thing is seeing if a projector will fit in between the subs for a huge screen or if they’ll be in the way.




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Finally back in business! Top right sub amp had issues and had waited since 5/28/2019 and finally had my R-115SW amp arrive 8/16/2019 from Klipsch warranty. Great guys. I had the other 3 sub amps replaced a year ago and still going great. The first replacements for the 3 still had issues and failed. These are all good now. Calibrated to reference (75dB for each pair) which is great for headroom as each sub is only at 69dB each. Got both sub 1 & 2 to be -8.5 level in my Denon. Haven’t raised the level yet.

Also I finally have symmetry instead of an iPhone 11 pro max 3 camera array (which I will be owning lol). Next thing is seeing if a projector will fit in between the subs for a huge screen or if they’ll be in the way.




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Haha that's crazy. Makes the screen lol tiny!


Hahah I know it does. I’m pretty close so the 50in isn’t even that bad tbh. I got the tv a long time ago when it was $550 on a deal for the 4K-tv low end model. Need to dabble in projectors and 3D/4K. Never attempted it before.
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Hahah I know it does. I’m pretty close so the 50in isn’t even that bad tbh. I got the tv a long time ago when it was $550 on a deal for the 4K-tv low end model. Need to dabble in projectors and 3D/4K. Never attempted it before.
You'll literally have an "eye opening" immersive experience when you get a chance to "dabble" in projectors...a leap to the next level. A 100+ inch projected image will bring the video in line with the audio you're now experiencing...for example, the visceral stomp of the T-Rex will finally "look" credible and realistic!
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Finally back in business! Top right sub amp had issues and had waited since 5/28/2019 and finally had my R-115SW amp arrive 8/16/2019 from Klipsch warranty. Great guys. I had the other 3 sub amps replaced a year ago and still going great. The first replacements for the 3 still had issues and failed. These are all good now. Calibrated to reference (75dB for each pair) which is great for headroom as each sub is only at 69dB each. Got both sub 1 & 2 to be -8.5 level in my Denon. Haven’t raised the level yet.

Also I finally have symmetry instead of an iPhone 11 pro max 3 camera array (which I will be owning lol). Next thing is seeing if a projector will fit in between the subs for a huge screen or if they’ll be in the way.




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Oh no it’s not blocking the doorway at all. It’s not evident in that pic. I guess you probably mean the entire wall of speakers lol before pic attached.



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Oh no it’s not blocking the doorway at all. It’s not evident in that pic. I guess you probably mean the entire wall of speakers lol before pic attached. *SNIP*


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Do those 250s' blow you away? Or does audessy turn them way down? Seems like they could easily drown out the fronts.

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Do those 250s' blow you away? Or does audessy turn them way down? Seems like they could easily drown out the fronts.


Yes, I love them. Sometimes, depending on the mix, I hear sounds directly behind me which is most impressive imaging since I have no speakers behind the couch. That or it is the reflection off the back wall to me! They blend really well even when I crank it up towards reference. I guess I never thought about it since they’re wide dispersion monopoles and are adjusted really well. I use Audyssey flat (I want to keep the highs unless it is too hardcore like Mad Max!) no dynamic EQ, no other EQ or bass boost. If I want more bass I simply move sub 1+2 in level (pic below) from -8.5 to say -7 for total of 3dB boost or -5.5 for a 6 dB boost.

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is moving from rp500C to rp504C a worth center upgrade ?
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is moving from rp500C to rp504C a worth center upgrade ?
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I’m sure it would gain some benefit. The overall tweeter design looks to be identical, so it will sound very similar. With the added woofers, you would have a fuller sound, but it’s hard to say if you would be blown away.
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So I was going to ask if buying an RP8000F for fronts for a room 21 by 11 with seating about 10 ft from the screen and speakers would be overkill and then I see LawCPA and his setup. Still wonder if my condo on the second floor can handle the 8000 even with low to moderate volume? I love the piano black but no other option but the 8000 in this glossy look.

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I’m sure it would gain some benefit. The overall tweeter design looks to be identical, so it will sound very similar. With the added woofers, you would have a fuller sound, but it’s hard to say if you would be blown away.
so a better upgrade in my case is rp600c or rp504c ?
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so a better upgrade in my case is rp600c or rp504c ?
Looks like the same tweeter design in the 600c. My personal opinion is the rp504c would be more of an upgrade.

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So I was going to ask if buying an RP8000F for fronts for a room 21 by 11 with seating about 10 ft from the screen and speakers would be overkill and then I see LawCPA and his setup. Still wonder if my condo on the second floor can handle the 8000 even with low to moderate volume? I love the piano black but no other option but the 8000 in this glossy look.
In my opinion, there is no such thing as overkill when it comes to the size of the speaker. It’s really up to your personal preference and how much you want to spend.
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Looks like the same tweeter design in the 600c. My personal opinion is the rp504c would be more of an upgrade.
600c has Woofers 6.5 inch compared to to 5.25 inch in 500c

looks i will go with 504c
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You'll literally have an "eye opening" immersive experience when you get a chance to "dabble" in projectors...a leap to the next level. A 100+ inch projected image will bring the video in line with the audio you're now experiencing...for example, the visceral stomp of the T-Rex will finally "look" credible and realistic!


Judging by my picture in the living room, where would you recommend mounting a projector screen? My concern is me not wanting to have to block the front heights or having to move them as they’re attached to the wall stud. Also, I don’t want the screen to block them even if it is acoustically transparent. Love the look of the attached, but want 4K + 1080p 3D in one.




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So I was going to ask if buying an RP8000F for fronts for a room 21 by 11 with seating about 10 ft from the screen and speakers would be overkill and then I see LawCPA and his setup. Still wonder if my condo on the second floor can handle the 8000 even with low to moderate volume? I love the piano black but no other option but the 8000 in this glossy look.


Hi Matt, I think my room dimensions are about that. I’ve got tons of headroom. I’m not normal, they don’t have medicine that works for me :P I actually had the top left sub in the door way in the corner because of the ridiculous room gain but it wasn’t practical and an eyesore. Two subs were amazing for me but I got good deals over a couple years on those subs and think they’re beautiful. With regards to towers-In a different post I read year or two back, someone regretted not going for the 8 inch woofer. He had crossed over his 6in 260F at 80 Hz, but he still heard distortion for mid range/mid bass when played “loudly”.


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Well I finally put in the effort and mounted my 140sa’s on my ceiling as top middle. What a difference compared to up firing. I reran Audyssey using the app, limited MultiEQ to 300hz, I don’t want EQ messing with midrange and HF. Turned DEQ OFF. Im in audio bliss. I’ll be adding another pair of 140sa behind my sectional.



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Hi Matt, I think my room dimensions are about that. I’ve got tons of headroom. I’m not normal, they don’t have medicine that works for me :P I actually had the top left sub in the door way in the corner because of the ridiculous room gain but it wasn’t practical and an eyesore. Two subs were amazing for me but I got good deals over a couple years on those subs and think they’re beautiful. With regards to towers-In a different post I read year or two back, someone regretted not going for the 8 inch woofer. He had crossed over his 6in 260F at 80 Hz, but he still heard distortion for mid range/mid bass when played “loudly”.


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Judging by my picture in the living room, where would you recommend mounting a projector screen? My concern is me not wanting to have to block the front heights or having to move them as they’re attached to the wall stud. Also, I don’t want the screen to block them even if it is acoustically transparent. Love the look of the attached, but want 4K + 1080p 3D in one.




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You could fit a projection screen in there, but it would be on the smaller side - maybe 75 to 80”s max. That’s unless there is another way to configure your room, but I understand how much of a task that is. OLED televisions are becoming cheaper at larger sizes and will provide hdr highlights without the blooming effects that LED does. Of course, they have a significantly lower peak brightness, however, in my experience that doesn’t matter all that much. If you prefer LED, I would look for one that has as many dimming zones possible. The Vizio P series is a great option. If you want to spend more, Sony’s Bravia series is hard to beat - I love mine.

With that said, I prefer the HDR my JVC projector provides over my television any day of the week. Sure, it doesn’t have the peak brightness, but I find it more aesthetically appeasing to my eyes.
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Just one thing to add. If there is distortion in the midrange at high volumes on a 6” woofer, then there certainly would be more on an 8” woofer. Most likely the person who originally posted that did not have the headroom to play at the higher volumes the wanted to achieve. Although Klipsch speakers are highly efficient, driving them towards reference can still be very taxing and distortion can come into play.
If he was referring to me a coupla years ago, I was powering them with 300 wpc emo amps. The distortion was from being overpowered, we're talking BRRRRAPPP type distortion. It was incredibly loud, and not a shot at the RP-260f, for most people, they would be more than fine. I moved them to the rear, and use RP-280f for both front and side surround. The song that really toasted them was "Rocky Mountain Way" by Joe Walsh.

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If he was referring to me a coupla years ago, I was powering them with 300 wpc emo amps. The distortion was from being overpowered, we're talking BRRRRAPPP type distortion. It was incredibly loud, and not a shot at the RP-260f, for most people, they would be more than fine. I moved them to the rear, and use RP-280f for both front and side surround. The song that really toasted them was "Rocky Mountain Way" by Joe Walsh.
Interesting. I’m surprised they were overpowered, honestly. You must have really been putting it to them!

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Interesting. I’m surprised they were overpowered, honestly. You must have really been putting it to them!
Oh, I was. I'm pretty sure it was well beyond their specs. Like I said, not a shot at the RP-260f, we're talking stupid loud, and with certain kinds of material. That said, I've never gotten that horrible BRAP sound out of the RP-280f. Distortion, yeah, but again, playing beyond their specs. A normal person in a normal home situation is unlikely to reach their limits. I've had my RP speakers paired up with Rythmik subwoofers, and it's great for both stereo and multi channel music. I rarely watch movies, but they've done great, for those as well.
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Well I finally put in the effort and mounted my 140sa’s on my ceiling as top middle. What a difference compared to up firing.

Hey! Congrats!! I remember us talking about this. Looks great. You get so much more out of front/rear heights. After I played the helicopter demo (Atmos demo disc) I felt the same and was itching for 2 more rear height. I wish the industry would push this placement and alternative. I wouldn’t have known about this or to recommend to anyone if it weren’t for this forum. We automatically think carve up ceiling or upfiring with Atmos but I want to keep my heights and not do in ceiling anymore. If I could just hide my wires! Also, I love Auro-3D and its upmixer and don’t want to lose it. I could keep the AVR at FH/RH instead of TF/TR but I’ll pass. Enjoy, check out 4K Rambo (2008) for lots of height info!

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Edit 2: you just gave me a great idea on how to get large projector screen on my wall....for me use the height middle placement like you (keep front height in AVR for Auro)


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Hey! Congrats!! I remember us talking about this. Looks great. You get so much more out of front/rear heights. After I played the helicopter demo (Atmos demo disc) I felt the same and was itching for 2 more rear height. I wish the industry would push this placement and alternative. I wouldn’t have known about this or to recommend to anyone if it weren’t for this forum. We automatically think carve up ceiling or upfiring with Atmos but I want to keep my heights and not do in ceiling anymore. If I could just hide my wires! Also, I love Auro-3D and its upmixer and don’t want to lose it. I could keep the AVR at FH/RH instead of TF/TR but I’ll pass. Enjoy, check out 4K Rambo (2008) for lots of height info!

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Thanks! Yeah I’m very happy. I was watching movies all day yesterday. They work so well. I watched Rambo the week before with them upfiring lol. Didn’t sound that good so I popped it on for a minute. Wow! I also watched Daybreakers. Great as well. I’ll have to revisit a lot of titles.

They are actually in the top middle position. I was going to place them right above my head but since I’m adding another pair for the rear I followed Dolby’s guideline.

I used the Omnimount 10.0 from Amazon. They are in my studs and they have a keyhole option.
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Well, I had surgery this past Wednesday - I’m sure everyone noticed more posts lol. I was finally feeling like getting out of bed and popping in a movie today - I picked Alien UHD! I was so excited, then I hit “Watch a Movie” and everything comes on except my 7704 and my amps. I go to check it and, XPA-5 is good but, the Marantz 7704 and Emotiva XPA-7 have no power. Check every component in the room; A/C, power recline seats, projector, masking screen, subwoofer, other amps, UHD player, TV receiver, XBOX One, and everything is good. So, one of the two components, either the Marantz or Emotiva, must have shorted out the other. I’m guessing the Emotiva, but who knows. I briefly thought it may have been a lightning strike - I live in the greater Houston area and we have had nearly 23”s of rain since last Tuesday, plus my neighbor had his house struck and a lot of stuff fried. But, since everything else is working and there doesn’t seem to be any damage to the house, it couldn’t be that.

I’m sure my speakers are all good but, I have no way to test them! Now I get to have fun with warranty repairs for 2 devices. I’m certainly hoping it doesn’t take too long, but I’ve heard all the stories before. Wish me luck!

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Thanks! Yeah I’m very happy. I was watching movies all day yesterday. They work so well. I watched Rambo the week before with them upfiring lol. Didn’t sound that good so I popped it on for a minute. Wow!

That ending scene was insane and the lightning was awesome and LOUD in the top channels. Thanks for that, Klipsch says not to keyhole mount them to ceiling so it deterred me from it but it may be a legal liability thing. I’d like to angle my rears at MLP instead of shooting over my head maybe even do surround rear height (Auro) instead of rear height. I’m currently watching the last two of the four newly Atmos mixed 4K Tim Burton movies (Keaton/Kilmer/Clooney) and they use the heights rather well with an overall good mix.

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Well, I had surgery this past Wednesday..... the Marantz 7704 and Emotiva XPA-7 have no power. Check every component in the room;

Hope you have a speedy recovery. Wow terrible luck. I have all my subs and my Parasound into the wall outlets the rest of gear is in a surge protector. I have some battery backups given to me but am worried using them could effect sound quality e.g. if amps can’t pull enough current? I haven’t studied the subject enough.

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