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post #58471 of 58521 Old 11-11-2019, 10:58 PM
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Perfect! Yea I am wondering if the SPL-150 might be too big, the room itself is very large (16' wide x 36' long - with the side the setup is on opening up to another huge room (living room + kitchen).

I am in the same boat where I feel like my current sub is too loud sometimes but not loud enough other times, if that makes sense. I just watched Kong Skull Island last night and the opening scene where they see Kong and he slams his fists down sounded amazing, however later scenes with the choppers/Kong sounded like they weren't as loud/impactful as they should be.
16x36x9? With openings to other rooms and hallways? That's easily over 5000ft3. That's a huge space to pressurize!

I would really recommend 2x spl150's if you plan to stay with Klipsch. You can always turn them down.

My room is 3000ft3 with 2x vtf-3's. It also has openings to other rooms and hallways. My subs gain is at 9 o'clock and avr trim is at -4. And it shakes my the heck out of my couch(which I love). My wife says she doesn't, but when the bass hits, I see a smile...lol. There's still plenty of room to turn them down or up. Your room is way bigger than mine and would expect bigger subs with more output to be necessary.

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Yea pretty much but only 8ft ceilings 🙂 it is a unique layout as it was a huge 2 story addition to the original house

I think multiple large subs would be great but I think that would be a bit much of an ask for the wifey to sign off on as she thinks the R112 is too loud.

Here’s a pic or two of part of the room, standing about halfway into the room and then the rooms that the room opens too
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Perfect! Yea I am wondering if the SPL-150 might be too big, the room itself is very large (16' wide x 36' long - with the side the setup is on opening up to another huge room (living room + kitchen).
I am in the same boat where I feel like my current sub is too loud sometimes but not loud enough other times, if that makes sense. I just watched Kong Skull Island last night and the opening scene where they see Kong and he slams his fists down sounded amazing, however later scenes with the choppers/Kong sounded like they weren't as loud/impactful as they should be.
I see, but unfortunately it (sound) depends on the moviemaker, I saw many movies with weak bass. I have that scene for demo. If you used there one R-112SW, then if you add one more that should be more than enough and you will get more smooth sound and more powerful bass! The Greatst Showman start song has a strong - overpowered - beat (with foot) there you can try your subwoofer.

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Anyone here go from B&W 800s to Klipschorns or something similar? I am interested in testing the horn waters after hearing the Classic Audio Speakers at Capital Audio Fest, and some Khorns at a buddy’s house. My N800s sound great but I think I am after full scale highly efficient dynamic sound now after listening to the horns. Driven by McIntosh MC2301 and analog front end, all tube from Transrotor turntable through Aesthetix IO Sig and Octave Jubilee preamp. Room is custom build and soundproof to near scif standards if anyone knows what that means. 33 foot x 20 x 8. Thanks in advance.
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RP6000F or 8000?

I'm having serious issues chosing between the RP6000F & 8000...

I use a subwoofer, so it's isn't about the more bass the 8000 gives, but

Some folks say : If you have a sub, the 600 is equal to the 8000, while others say that the mid is much better with the 8000.

As you can see on the pic , I'm sitting quite close to the speakers and was also for a while considering to go for the RP-600M


I recently bougth a pair of these to replace my surrounds from Teufel. Only my front towers are still Teufels. They are very, vey good. They really fill up the room with great sound, but I think if I would go for bookshelves, I will regret it later, with towers having a fuller sound


So ... what to do ? 6000 or 8000 ? (I have no opportunity to demo them)
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Hey guys, here is my setup and a question or thoughts on the plans:

I have a traditional 5.1 setup and most of my stuff dates back to 2002. I have been out of the "audiophile" loop and am completely out of touch.
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I push it all with a Rotel Amp/Pre Amp combo.

But, we are planning a remodel of our living room which will open up the kitchen and living room meaning I am losing the left rear channel speaker. So, I am thinking of selling those and replacing them with some ceiling speakers and am not in a position to upgrade to an Atmos receiver. But, never having heard ceiling speakers, and not being sure what do with insulation and yadda yadda yadda, it makes one a bit weary.

My wife wants shorter speakers as part of the remodel. So, I am planning on downsizing from Klipsch RF-7's to hopefully Klipsch Forte's, from the SVS 20-39PC+ to hopefully dual SVS SB3000's and the Klipsch RS-7's to the ceiling speakers if I can wrap my brain around it. Any thoughts on a 5.1/5.2 system utilizing rear ceiling speakers. I am looking at the Klipsch CD5800's.

The room is about 16' wide and 13 1/2' deep currently, which changes greatly when the wall comes down. Then the width will include the kitchen, hence the need for more sub to accommodate more room volume.
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I'm having serious issues chosing between the RP6000F & 8000...

I use a subwoofer, so it's isn't about the more bass the 8000 gives, but

Some folks say : If you have a sub, the 600 is equal to the 8000, while others say that the mid is much better with the 8000.

As you can see on the pic , I'm sitting quite close to the speakers and was also for a while considering to go for the RP-600M


I recently bougth a pair of these to replace my surrounds from Teufel. Only my front towers are still Teufels. They are very, vey good. They really fill up the room with great sound, but I think if I would go for bookshelves, I will regret it later, with towers having a fuller sound


So ... what to do ? 6000 or 8000 ? (I have no opportunity to demo them)
I have the previous generation RP. I would say the only reason to get the bigger towers is if you play really, really loudly. I mean, dangerously loudly. The bigger ones will handle the mid bass better at extreme levels, otherwise, they pretty much sound the same in your situation.
You could probably get away with the bookshelves if you listen at sensible levels, but if you have the space and money, I'd get the towers. I also had the RP150m bookshelves for a short period, and they do sound really good. The main thing again would be headroom and the ability to play mid bass loudly.
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As you can see on the pic , I'm sitting quite close to the speakers and was also for a while considering to go for the RP-600M


So ... what to do ? 6000 or 8000 ? (I have no opportunity to demo them)
We sit a bit closer to our 55" TV an If I get a 65" I will keep this distance. I have the predecessor RP-280F (8000F) and I use them on low volume, so I don't need the power (but I have the power ), but they are look so great! That's why I bought the bigger. With subwoofer(s) and cut at 80Hz, the sound almost the same, I think.

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Hi, I posted this in the PSA subwoofer thread but decided to copy it here since this may be better handled in the speaker forum and will hopefully bring a larger pool of opinions my way.

I've got a question maybe some of you could help me with. I pre-ordered a pair of V1812 subs from PSA and can't wait for them to show up but until then....I have read that mid range slam is one of the stand out features of PSA 18's. The thing is, I have 6 Klipsch RP 8000F towers for my main channels and they are matched up with a Klipsch 504C center. The towers handle 32Hz to 24KHz and the 504C can handle 57hz to 24Khz. My Denon X6300H set all speakers to large and set all crossovers at 40hz.

I set all the speakers to small and I know that 80hz crossover for everything is the norm but these towers can handle 60hz no problem and combined they surround me with 12 "8" inch subs. It provides a pretty serious mid range punch from all directions. I have been running these towers with a 60hz crossover but I'm not sure if I should raise the crossover to 80hz and let the V1812's do the dirty work all the way up to 80hz. I've seen some people suggest raising the crossovers to 100hz. What do you guys think? I know PSA's own tower speakers with dual 10's are set to 70hz so they obviously expect users of their speakers to utilize 80hz crossover at the least. I'm just looking for some opinions on what I should do with my Klipsch speaker combination. I plan to test it all out once I get the subs and see if I can hear any benefits from having it set one way over the other but until then I'd like to get some opinions from others. I generally listen to music at -15db and I watch movies at -10db. All speakers and both subs will be about 7 feet away from the MLP.

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Also, I'm using 4x RP140SA height channel speakers and the user guide recommends 150hz crossover. My amp sets them at 90hz. Having height channels that can't handle 80hz will force me to avoid cascading crossovers won't it? I wouldn't think any sound engineer would put much low end on the height channels but unfortunately these were the best height channels available from Klipsch when I bought my speakers and I don't want to miss out on any LFE that is meant for my heights by cutting off the LFE at 80hz in the amp. Is this correct thinking?

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I was hoping to add a pair of rear surround speakers to my 5.1 setup. My older Denon AVP preamp only has RCA connections but I thought I could get a RCA to Bluetooth bridge and then use a pair of R-41PMs. This might have worked but in my application there is a door between the two speakers and no way to run speaker wire between them so that ended that quest.

I really want to use Klipsch speakers as all my other 5.1 are Klipsch.

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At the same price which do you choose as front speakers??

Klipsch rb10 or Klipsch rm14
Klipsch rb51 IV or Klipsch rm15
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Hi, I posted this in the PSA subwoofer thread but decided to copy it here since this may be better handled in the speaker forum and will hopefully bring a larger pool of opinions my way.

I've got a question maybe some of you could help me with. I pre-ordered a pair of V1812 subs from PSA and can't wait for them to show up but until then....I have read that mid range slam is one of the stand out features of PSA 18's. The thing is, I have 6 Klipsch RP 8000F towers for my main channels and they are matched up with a Klipsch 504C center. The towers handle 32Hz to 24KHz and the 504C can handle 57hz to 24Khz. My Denon X6300H set all speakers to large and set all crossovers at 40hz.

I set all the speakers to small and I know that 80hz crossover for everything is the norm but these towers can handle 60hz no problem and combined they surround me with 12 "8" inch subs. It provides a pretty serious mid range punch from all directions. I have been running these towers with a 60hz crossover but I'm not sure if I should raise the crossover to 80hz and let the V1812's do the dirty work all the way up to 80hz. I've seen some people suggest raising the crossovers to 100hz. What do you guys think? I know PSA's own tower speakers with dual 10's are set to 70hz so they obviously expect users of their speakers to utilize 80hz crossover at the least. I'm just looking for some opinions on what I should do with my Klipsch speaker combination. I plan to test it all out once I get the subs and see if I can hear any benefits from having it set one way over the other but until then I'd like to get some opinions from others. I generally listen to music at -15db and I watch movies at -10db. All speakers and both subs will be about 7 feet away from the MLP.

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Also, I'm using 4x RP140SA height channel speakers and the user guide recommends 150hz crossover. My amp sets them at 90hz. Having height channels that can't handle 80hz will force me to avoid cascading crossovers won't it? I wouldn't think any sound engineer would put much low end on the height channels but unfortunately these were the best height channels available from Klipsch when I bought my speakers and I don't want to miss out on any LFE that is meant for my heights by cutting off the LFE at 80hz in the amp. Is this correct thinking?
I have the RF-7 II’s and I cross them over at 80 hz. I have a PSA V3600I (dual 18” woofers) and I let it do the dirty work. The fact is, the subwoofer is much better at reproducing low end than a tower. Also, if your crossover is too low, some bass can be localized off towers if they are close to a wall, which most of ours are.
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Anyone here go from B&W 800s to Klipschorns or something similar? I am interested in testing the horn waters after hearing the Classic Audio Speakers at Capital Audio Fest, and some Khorns at a buddy’s house. My N800s sound great but I think I am after full scale highly efficient dynamic sound now after listening to the horns. Driven by McIntosh MC2301 and analog front end, all tube from Transrotor turntable through Aesthetix IO Sig and Octave Jubilee preamp. Room is custom build and soundproof to near scif standards if anyone knows what that means. 33 foot x 20 x 8. Thanks in advance.

My friend has had a whole slew of B&W's and Klipsch. KG 5.5's, Forte, Quartet, Chorus, Cornwall, Klipschorn, La Scalas, B&W 802's, 805's, CM9's. I've listened to all of them. Unfortunately he didn't have the 802's and Klipsch Heritage models at the same time. But from memory I think I'd take the Klipsch Cornwall over the 802's, if you're looking for that "full scale efficient dynamic sound." I thought the Cornwall were just incredible. La Scalas were great too. You mentioned Klipschorns. I would only go that route if your room requires or if you prefer corner placement, which I'm doubting. La Scala or Cornwall. Cornwall has significantly more bass and is probably better all around. B&W 800 series vs Klipsch Heritage boils down to the type of sound you're looking for. Both are great, but different.

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Not sure if this is where I should be posting, but I cant find anywhere better so, here goes.

Right now I have a budget set of speakers for my 5 surrounds. It's the fluance avhtb 5.0 set. I bought it last year before they discontinued it.

Now I'm looking at maybe upgrading seeing as I just bought the denon x4400h and have my on ceilings installed, not to mention black Friday is only two weeks away.

I still dont have as much to spend as I'd like, so I'm curious if it's even worth the upgrade which is really why I'm here. The 3 I'm comparing are my current setup vs the klipsch r14m x 4 plus a klipsch center vs the andrew Jones pioneer setup 2 x sp fs52 and 2 x sp bs22 plus the matching center.

Like I said though are either of these going to make a significant difference from what I already have? I really wouldn't know and it seems there aren't any stores that demo them around me. Thanks for any tips.
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Not sure if this is where I should be posting, but I cant find anywhere better so, here goes.

Right now I have a budget set of speakers for my 5 surrounds. It's the fluance avhtb 5.0 set. I bought it last year before they discontinued it.

Now I'm looking at maybe upgrading seeing as I just bought the denon x4400h and have my on ceilings installed, not to mention black Friday is only two weeks away.

I still dont have as much to spend as I'd like, so I'm curious if it's even worth the upgrade which is really why I'm here. The 3 I'm comparing are my current setup vs the klipsch r14m x 4 plus a klipsch center vs the andrew Jones pioneer setup 2 x sp fs52 and 2 x sp bs22 plus the matching center.

Like I said though are either of these going to make a significant difference from what I already have? I really wouldn't know and it seems there aren't any stores that demo them around me. Thanks for any tips.
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My friend has had a whole slew of B&W's and Klipsch. KG 5.5's, Forte, Quartet, Chorus, Cornwall, Klipschorn, La Scalas, B&W 802's, 805's, CM9's. I've listened to all of them. Unfortunately he didn't have the 802's and Klipsch Heritage models at the same time. But from memory I think I'd take the Klipsch Cornwall over the 802's, if you're looking for that "full scale efficient dynamic sound." I thought the Cornwall were just incredible. La Scalas were great too. You mentioned Klipschorns. I would only go that route if your room requires or if you prefer corner placement, which I'm doubting. La Scala or Cornwall. Cornwall has significantly more bass and is probably better all around. B&W 800 series vs Klipsch Heritage boils down to the type of sound you're looking for. Both are great, but different.

https://community.klipsch.com/index....klipsch-vs-bw/
Thank you for the response. The current speakers are B&W 800 not 802s. I am definitely interested in a sound which is more dynamic. My speakers are about 3 feet from back walls as measured to the front of the cones. I don’t have a problem with the speakers placed in the corner and the new AK6 series of Klipschorn is supposed to ameliorate the requirement to be pushed absolutely in the corner. I will go to a local dealer to listen to the Cornwalls as they have them at their place. I wish I could demo these speakers in my own home first. My room is fairly large and the Klipschorn would fit nicely. Wife says these are ugly compared to my current speakers. See pics and video of current system. Sound three blind mice 45 RPM and Patricia Barber Black Magic Women MOFI 45 RPM.

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Thank you for the response. The current speakers are B&W 800 not 802s. I am definitely interested in a sound which is more dynamic. My speakers are about 3 feet from back walls as measured to the front of the cones. I don’t have a problem with the speakers placed in the corner and the new AK6 series of Klipschorn is supposed to ameliorate the requirement to be pushed absolutely in the corner. I will go to a local dealer to listen to the Cornwalls as they have them at their place. I wish I could demo these speakers in my own home first. My room is fairly large and the Klipschorn would fit nicely. Wife says these are ugly compared to my current speakers. See pics and video of current system. Sound three blind mice 45 RPM and Patricia Barber Black Magic Women MOFI 45 RPM.

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Need help with speaker placement and type

Hello I have a 2 section seating theater room, the section that seats are in is about 12x12. Right now I am running 7.2 using a denon 4500x I am wanting to upgrade to 11.2 atmos. I have a few questions
1. my couch sits completely to back wall and i want to get get surround to the back seating areas, I was told I can use klipsch rp402s bipole speakers on side wall a couple ft above ear height (using wedge or wood acoustic panels to disperse sound) to give me around the same affect and also provide sound to the front section (pic 1. I have marked all the areas that I am wanting to put 402s with a box).
2. would it be better to put speakers in the back wall or would i now not get enough back surround sound to front listening area.
3. I want to go atmos with 4 top speakers had been recommenced to go with 4 out of ceiling elevation speakers (rp 500sa) one on each corner of the area, but the back section is already about 8 inches off the ground (also ceiling at a little bit of a slope) and wanted to know if it would be better to go with 2 klipsch ceiling speakers in two back corners and the 500sa's in the two front corners. (2nd pic is where i would put front elevation speakers, 1st pic circles are back ceiling speakers).
in pics x's mean i am wanting to get rid of, I could be way off on this stuff just need some help. thanks everyone.
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Initial impressions of the CDT5800 II in-ceiling speakers. For a number of years, I used the Klipsch RS-7 for my surround speakers in a traditional 5.1 set-up. My room is less than ideal for surround largely due to the fact that the room did not allow for proper placement of a surround speaker. I was forced to mount the speakers near the ceiling without the ability to direct the sound down toward the listener. The result was a very limited appreciation for the RS-7's full sound abilities. The surround sound was vague and ambient sounding.

So, after recently planning a remodel, I proactively sold the RS-7's and installed the CDT5800's largely due to the 8" size and the ability to direct the sound towards the MLP. I have not boxed in the speaker, nor have I extensively auditioned them, however, right from the beginning I could tell a massive improvement in the surround sound experience. In just a brief demo of Alan Parsons DTS 4.0 version of Dark Side of the Moon, and some network television using DTS Neo 6, I could tell an immediate improvement.

That is the good part. The bad part is what I expected, and that is, the CDT5800's are not the RS-7s. At least so far, I can tell they are hollow compared to the 7's more rich texture and depth. Perhaps boxing them in would improve the depth and texture, but I suspect the speaker is simply going to offer less depth. I am not disappointed by any stretch, in fact, I love the added detail I hear in the surround sound, which is what I was shooting for. So, mission accomplished. I look forward to spending more time with more surround music and movies in the coming days and would welcome any opinions for increasing the depth of sound for the speaker.

Soon, I will be giving my initial impressions of the difference between a 5.1 experience versus a 5.2 experience. Stay tuned.

Here is a look at what I was doing with the RS-7's and why they were largely neutered. These same corners are the corners I placed the CDT's in. I put them as far back as I could, thinking that one day I might consider ATMOS and install an additional pair between these and the front speakers.
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I had the same experience with in ceiling speakers until I boxed them in.
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I need to purchase some in wall surrounds. Could someone help me match them to my front speakers? They will be placed at 90 degrees and be 4-5' off the ground.

Klipsch has three options that are all very similary priced. I have a huge room and my right side speaker will be 7' further from listening position than my left. But, my understanding is I should be able to easily correct that with the receiver setup.
5650-W 2
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Would the Klipsch R-51-M be good for rear surround speakers and is ok to mount them on the wall? I was wondering since there is a port on the back that they would need to be away from the wall some. I see they are on sale for Black Friday for a good price. My fronts are KPL-400's, center RF-7 and side surround are RS-3's. My current room size is 14'x25', but am planing to go 20'x25'.

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Has anyone else seen this video about the 600M's? Popped up on my youtube feed tonight and got my attention about upgrading the internals.


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Klipsch makes either monopole surrounds (you have to purchase one of their bookshelf speakers) or bipoles (all of their surround speakers fall under this category, unless they’ve released something I’m unaware of). I’m using Klipsch bipoles in my 7.1.4 setup and love them.

With that said, if you have a good amount of room beside and behind your seating area, monopoles (bookshelves) may be the way to go, but if you don’t, bipoles will give you a better soundstage. You could always do bipoles for the sides and monopoles for the backs.
Can't help you with your question but why do you want to "upgrade" your RP404c ?
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klipsch center channels

Old ears and not a discriminating listener who doesn't listen loud but movie/TV dialog is important to me. Smaller, reflective HT room at 1400 ft3. 80% movies/TV plus soft rock. Looking for a really good center channel for dialog and RP404c seems interesting (504 is too big) but am confused about the specs. Is this a 3-way speaker and, if so, it seems that the cross over points are 500 and 1500 hz ? If this is correct, 1500 hz would appear to be a bad c/o for dialog (ie passing off to another speaker at a critical vocal frequency).

I would pair the 404 with RP bookshelf L/R in 5.1.2 setup

Bottom line - is the 404 a great dialog center channel ? Or other recommendations ?
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Klipsch LightSpeaker Can Speakers

Does anyone have any experience with these? I'm aware they were discontinued years ago, but they are available on EBay and would be a great solution for me as my new house has canned lighting perfectly positioned for overhead atmos. Do they suck? They seem like such a great idea, but perhaps they were so poorly designed they never caught on? Wonder why other manufacturers don't make wireless surrounds with built in receivers as opposed to the usual "Rocketfish" systems...
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I have the previous generation RP. I would say the only reason to get the bigger towers is if you play really, really loudly. I mean, dangerously loudly. The bigger ones will handle the mid bass better at extreme levels, otherwise, they pretty much sound the same in your situation.
You could probably get away with the bookshelves if you listen at sensible levels, but if you have the space and money, I'd get the towers. I also had the RP150m bookshelves for a short period, and they do sound really good. The main thing again would be headroom and the ability to play mid bass loudly.
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Klipsch has this reference system on sale for $1569. I was considering reference premiere but the cost is rather high. Would this be a worthwhile upgrade from my current system?
https://www.klipsch.com/products/r-8...theater-system

Includes (2) R-820F, (1) R-34C, (1 Pair) R-41SA, (1 Pair) R-51M, (1) R-120SW


I have JBL studio series across the front. Towers are 12" s312II. Sub is 12" 400w S120pII. Can't remember size of the center but it's also studio series. I bought these back in 2004.

The surrounds and atmos ceiling speakers are Yamaha bookshelves. They are pretty big for book shelf speakers and I bought these probably back in 1995. Then they were $99/pair and I got 2 pairs at that time. I believe they are an 8" woofer and have a midrange and tweeter.


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Hello everyone,

I've been looking at both the Klipsch RP-8000F and SVS Prime Pinnacle tower speakers as potential upgrade candidates for my home theater system. SVS recommends 120W of amplification for the Pinnacles but they have a lower rated sensitivity than the 8000F's. Audioholics measured the RP-8000F sensitivity at 92.1 dB for 2.83v at 1 meter (outdoors, so no room effects; sensitivity would be better in-room). SVS rates the Pinnacles at 88dB sensitive for 1 meter at 2.83v from 300Hz to 3kHz, but Audioholics measured a 90.2dB sensitivity for that same range for 2.83v at 1 meter. Audioholics specifically advises re: the Pinnacles, "Many amplifiers should be able to run these speakers without a problem, but I wouldn’t run the Prime Pinnacles on entry-level AVRs." In contrast, they suggest the Klipsch 8000F has above average sensitivity and should be relatively easy to drive using most amplifiers/receivers.

Given SVS's recommendation and my preference for a Denon receiver, that limits me to the 4400H or 4500H, both of which are 9.2 channel receivers that do 125W/channel. Given the RP-8000F's higher sensitivity, would 105W of amplification be sufficient? The 3500H is a 7.2 channel receiver with 105W of amplification and otherwise has similar specs (e.g. Audyssey XT32) for my purposes. Currently the 3500H is $550, the 4400H is $1000, and the 4500H is $1200, so the price differential is significant. A pair of 8000F's also seems to sell for around $400-600 less than the SVS Pinnacle's, given that the Klipsch's have been on sale down to $1000/pair.
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Anyone here go from B&W 800s to Klipschorns or something similar? I am interested in testing the horn waters after hearing the Classic Audio Speakers at Capital Audio Fest, and some Khorns at a buddy’s house. My N800s sound great but I think I am after full scale highly efficient dynamic sound now after listening to the horns. Driven by McIntosh MC2301 and analog front end, all tube from Transrotor turntable through Aesthetix IO Sig and Octave Jubilee preamp. Room is custom build and soundproof to near scif standards if anyone knows what that means. 33 foot x 20 x 8. Thanks in advance.
I didn't (go from B&W to Khorns) but for your room size.... if you're interested in investigating the Khorns, you should put a serious hour of research into their Jubilee. (PWK wanted to take the Khorn back to a 2-way speaker and the Jubilee was born however, the company never put it into residential production, leaving it in their cinema lineup)

Can be had for less cost than the Khorn. Isn't as pretty as the Khorn. Easily (and I do mean easily) bests the sound of the Khorn.
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Hello everyone,

Given SVS's recommendation and my preference for a Denon receiver, that limits me to the 4400H or 4500H, both of which are 9.2 channel receivers that do 125W/channel. Given the RP-8000F's higher sensitivity, would 105W of amplification be sufficient? The 3500H is a 7.2 channel receiver with 105W of amplification and otherwise has similar specs (e.g. Audyssey XT32) for my purposes. Currently the 3500H is $550, the 4400H is $1000, and the 4500H is $1200, so the price differential is significant. A pair of 8000F's also seems to sell for around $400-600 less than the SVS Pinnacle's, given that the Klipsch's have been on sale down to $1000/pair.
You room size is important for this. The Denon AVR-X4400/4500 should be good for both (SVS/Klipsch). The 3500H has less power and the "sound" is less too, that you can't see in the specs. And it's a 9.2 vs 7.2. Maybe you can check the Marantz SR6013 for a cheap 9.2 AVR. In a medium size room I think all good enough. If you go with the Klipsch then you have a bit more power, because of the sensitivity. If you don't want to spend more than necessary go with the Klipsch + 3500H for 7.2 or try the SR6013 for 9.2. The Marantz is between the Denon X3-X4.

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