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post #33331 of 45499 Old 12-15-2016, 06:58 PM
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Interesting to see the internals of the Rost / H160 / H360 and the extra capacitance as you move up in power:
Have you had the opportunity to hear them yourself? I ask because when I went up the Octave ladder V40se to V70se to V110 I could hear a bit more 'control' of the music either each step up. Going from the 40W to the 110W only when I pushed my C1 Sig's to the max could I hear a bit louder too. But those were tubes and not SS. IMO specs are a basic guideline and nothing more. I started with a Bryston B100sst (180W @ 4ohm) to the Octave V70se (70W @ 4ohm) and the Octave sounded so much better as far as sound quality and control. So if there is any way you can demo them especially in your home you'll know which one is the best fit for the $$ spent. That said you really can't have too much power UNLESS you constantly listen at max SPL's for long periods of time. What usually happens in that case is the voice coil heats up and expands and starts rubbing causing a short in the driver. That's where you need to know the limits of your speaker and save the max SPL for short peaks in the music.
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For those looking for a brilliant amp for less than the NAIM SuperNait2, consider this new Accuphase:

http://www.accuphase.com/model/e-270.html

They pair very well with Dynaudio.

I actually could see selling my SN2 for this. I really like the balanced XLR inputs as more and more of my DAC auditioning shows me that balanced XLR is a good bit better than single-ended.
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George: Sonically on the Hegel end it is similar, although I didn't hear much more of a difference between the H100/H160 and H360 unless you started to really crank it up... and at that point it was too loud for my listening room. Now if wife would let me put my Dyns upstairs in a much larger room the H360 would do the trick as it is much larger at over double the ceiling height at 18 feet! For medium to large size rooms the H160 is plenty of juice at 4ohms putting out 250wpc. Frankly anything over 300wpc in my room is overkill especially after using a SPL meter, heck even the Belles Aria Int. Amp is getting praises at 75wpc as people are switching over to it because it sounds so damn good and it's made in the USA and not that expensive!

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Anyone who has not watched this video,really should,just to see the very impressive new testing room that Dyn has with all the mikes mounted to a robot arm...




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and you get to see Otto drinking some bubbly.👍🏿



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That looks like something from a Star Wars movie

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Isn't there something about the speaker that reminds you of Darth Vader?
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I currently have the H360 and love it, but might sell it as funds might be needed due to a sick dog, sadly! If you have a small room don't look any further than the H160 or a H200 if you can find one. The Dac however it the H360 is superb and sound just as good as some 5K dacs I have had in my system over the years. I am still debating this as Belles is another company that has been producing some great stuff over the years and you might want to look and listen to the Aria Line. I read where even people with very expensive systems switching over to that Int. Amp because it just sounded better. You don't always need a ton of power, just good clean power! The new Hegel units all excellent sounding as I have heard the 160 and 360 right beside each other, hell even the H100 I had was excellent, all depends on how loud you want it, and I am tempted to look for a H160 at a good price or a H200 if I can find one, as with the Sony HAP unit I don't need the Dac. My KW-500 I thought was the best unit for my Dynaudio but the H100/H160 and H360 out shined it, in almost every way except sheer raw power, but frankly I don't crank it up anymore....
Great to hear the sound signature from H160 to H360 is the same, as I just pulled the trigger on a H160 :-) I will be using the onboard DAC though to stream AirPlay from TIDAL lossless which at a max of 16-bit 44.1khz pretty much any DAC can handle that these days with vanishing levels of distortion and noise.

OctaDyn_Dude - completely agree, demoing in your own room is the only way but I couldn't find any other high end integrated that featured AirPlay which is crucial for me. And simplifying my devices is heavenly!
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Great to hear the sound signature from H160 to H360 is the same, as I just pulled the trigger on a H160 :-) I will be using the onboard DAC though to stream AirPlay from TIDAL lossless which at a max of 16-bit 44.1khz pretty much any DAC can handle that these days with vanishing levels of distortion and noise.

OctaDyn_Dude - completely agree, demoing in your own room is the only way but I couldn't find any other high end integrated that featured AirPlay which is crucial for me. And simplifying my devices is heavenly!
In my size room, I thought the H360 did an excellent job, but then so did the H100 and H160... Frankly you don't need gobs of WPC in order to achieve good sound, like a lot of people believe. I always thought that was the case with my MF KW-500, gobs of clean power but then when I put up the H100 and H360 up against it with less power behind them I was pleasantly surprised on the outcome.

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Hi folks. Looking for someone with a Focus 210C to do some measuring for me. I need to know the outer dimension of the woofer and tweeter (edge to edge). Working on a DIY project.

Thank in advance for your help.
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Just picked up a pair of JBL LSR305s in white; we'll see how they compare to the Xeo 2s and my MB-2.5s. This is of course just for fun
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That would be a Dynaudio C4 Platinum series.. I am waiting for Darth Vader to come flying out in a Tie Fighter!

amatuerholic: What are you using to drive the 2.5's?

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Yamaha RX V-779 into Carver M1.0t.
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For my HT I use the Avantage Yamaha line and it drives the C2 with zero issues. I also have a RX-667 in my office..

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Hello everyone. I have such setup as Dynaudio Confidence C2 Platinum speakers, Krell Digital Vanguard amp and Chord DAVE dac.
Recently I've tried Octave V70se amp. But I was disappointed because the amp didn't control the bass. The sound had unpleasant buzz. And in some I had a feeling that Octave didn't control the speakers.
My Krell was better in all aspects. But I planned to buy Octave preamp HP300/500 and RE320 power amp. And now I don't know what to do. I am also referring to Mark Levinson #585 int amp and Class A Luxman L590axII int Amp (or even C700/M700 Luxman preamp/amp combo). Maybe I should stick to my Krell amp? What can you advice?
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...the Belles Aria Int. Amp is getting praises at 75wpc as people are switching over to it because it sounds so damn good and it's made in the USA and not that expensive!

The Belles Aria IA looks interesting. The thing that caught my attention is the use of MOSFET output devices. MOSFETs and vacuum tubes are both voltage-controlled devices and their transfer functions are essentially the same. It's been my experience that MOSFETs impart a tube-like sound with the low-end grunt of amps using bipolar transistors. The best of both worlds! Unfortunately, auditioning would be very difficult since there are only two Belles dealers in California...
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Hello everyone. I have such setup as Dynaudio Confidence C2 Platinum speakers, Krell Digital Vanguard amp and Chord DAVE dac.
Recently I've tried Octave V70se amp. But I was disappointed because the amp didn't control the bass. The sound had unpleasant buzz. And in some I had a feeling that Octave didn't control the speakers.
My Krell was better in all aspects. But I planned to buy Octave preamp HP300/500 and RE320 power amp. And now I don't know what to do. I am also referring to Mark Levinson #585 int amp and Class A Luxman L590axII int Amp (or even C700/M700 Luxman preamp/amp combo). Maybe I should stick to my Krell amp? What can you advice?
Are you running the Dave directly into the Krell and using it as your pre amp?What is the source feeding the Dave if you are,because a lot of people on the Naim forum are eliminating their pre amp completely,and using a Hugo TT or Dave as their pre.
Most of these people say the sound beats using an actual pre,running the Chord directly to the amp.

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The Belles Aria IA looks interesting. The thing that caught my attention is the use of MOSFET output devices. MOSFETs and vacuum tubes are both voltage-controlled devices and their transfer functions are essentially the same. It's been my experience that MOSFETs impart a tube-like sound with the low-end grunt of amps using bipolar transistors. The best of both worlds! Unfortunately, auditioning would be very difficult since there are only two Belles dealers in California...
Turnbowm: Not sure what they are using inside but Dave Belles is a genius when it comes to making things sound good and he uses Dynaudio in his studio from what I was told.. The Pre/Amp and Mono Block route with the Aria series might be a another way to go as well, as his prices on this stuff is pretty reasonable.
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Has anyone had an opportunity to mate an NAD M32 with Dynaudio speakers? I know the M32 is just hitting the shelves so probably a little too early to ask, but I've heard it coupled to Aerial 7T's and it was really quite amazing in it's neutral, even, uncolored rendition of MQA files. The total silence within passages or between recordings I've heard mentioned with much higher-priced gear was evident.

My dealer of NAD, Classe, Rotel, Plinius, Jolida, Linn and other source electronics mentioned it was like getting an M51 and M22 in the same box with even less noise. I couldn't really disagree.
Haven't heard it but the new NAD Masters product range makes me drool

My local dealer has the pre/power-set on display, it just oozes quality.

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hbjdk: I like the NAD Master series, but frankly I think the Hegel gear has a better sound suited for Dynaudio's. Unless they drastically changed them, I had a M3 and M2 and compared them directly with Musical Fidelity and I preferred the MF gear over the Master Series stuff. I just recently heard the M32 (Not on Dynaudio's), much better I think that the previous models, but for the money I would stick with the H160. I liked the H160 so much, I sold my H360 recently as I didn't need the DSD Dac. Like I said before the sonic signatures of the two where indistinguishable to my ears, now using the Dac in the H360 with my CD player their was a huge difference, and as of right now I am running it direct into my back up Int. Amp and not liking it! I can't wait to get the H160 so I can at least use it's dac with my CD player and know how liquid and smooth it plays with the Dyns. The new NAD stuff at the show in Germany was paired with the new NAD Masters Gear, and I heard good things about the pairing. The NAD Master stuff was always built well, but the previous versions I didn't care for the sound when paired with my speakers.

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The previous NAD Masters series was Class A-B, the new is Class D "with a twist" in that it truly keeps the signal digital right up to the back of the binding posts. Much quieter, cleaner sound IMO.

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We have a lurking member who now is the proud owner of a pair of Contour 20... Actually he is the first person I know that has a pair, via Tyler... Since he is local and just across town, I hope to get a chance to listen after the holidays as he uses Belles Gear with them, which I am sure is a great combo.


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Not all the previous NAD Master series was Class A-B.... The M2 used NAD Direct Digital Amplifier technology, I am sure they are slowly perfecting it, as I didn't care for the sound of the M2 at all.

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Thank in advance for your help.
Did I forget the double secret handshake to get someone to respond?
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That might be a good question for Otto from Dynaudio or some one on here who owns one! I have the Contour SCX..

http://www.dynaudio.com/media/1923/dyn_focus_manual.pdf

Your in luck, with the use of google this pdf has driver sizes!

http://vox-audio.com/pdfs/DYN_ModelO..._INT_dpage.pdf

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That might be a good question for Otto from Dynaudio or some one on here who owns one! I have the Contour SCX..

http://www.dynaudio.com/media/1923/dyn_focus_manual.pdf

Your in luck, with the use of google this pdf has driver sizes!

http://vox-audio.com/pdfs/DYN_ModelO..._INT_dpage.pdf
Thanks for the info Garman. I'm looking for edge to edge measurements. 15cm is the woofer size ,but I'm not sure about edge to edge.

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Are you running the Dave directly into the Krell and using it as your pre amp?What is the source feeding the Dave if you are,because a lot of people on the Naim forum are eliminating their pre amp completely,and using a Hugo TT or Dave as their pre.
Most of these people say the sound beats using an actual pre,running the Chord directly to the amp.
I use DAVE in a dac mode. I don't use it as preamp. And Krell works as int amp.
I've thought that all these digital preamps as DAVE are not so good in preamp role and typical preamps (Luxman or Octave) are better. Am I wrong?
ps. My dealer also proposed me to try Electrocompaniet poweramps/pre. Maybe AW400 monos or 250 stereo? What can you say about Dyn/Electrocomp combos?
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I had the center home for testing just a few weeks ago but returned it as I find I like using no center better.
So I can't be of any assistance, sorry.
Love your sense of humor btw., you fit right in here!

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hbjdk: I like the NAD Master series, but frankly I think the Hegel gear has a better sound suited for Dynaudio's. Unless they drastically changed them, I had a M3 and M2 and compared them directly with Musical Fidelity and I preferred the MF gear over the Master Series stuff. I just recently heard the M32 (Not on Dynaudio's), much better I think that the previous models, but for the money I would stick with the H160. I liked the H160 so much, I sold my H360 recently as I didn't need the DSD Dac. Like I said before the sonic signatures of the two where indistinguishable to my ears, now using the Dac in the H360 with my CD player their was a huge difference, and as of right now I am running it direct into my back up Int. Amp and not liking it! I can't wait to get the H160 so I can at least use it's dac with my CD player and know how liquid and smooth it plays with the Dyns. The new NAD stuff at the show in Germany was paired with the new NAD Masters Gear, and I heard good things about the pairing. The NAD Master stuff was always built well, but the previous versions I didn't care for the sound when paired with my speakers.
I'm very happy with my H160 so it's not going anywhere
It's like I've said earlier: Everything just sounds "right" to my ears with the H160 including the DAC.
It's such a nice, balanced, coherent sound which you really get to appreciate after doing some A/B-testing vs. a few other amps just like I did at the dealer's place when picking the H160.
That said, you know how it is, Garman - taste in sound is so individual, to my own surprise I didn't quite fancy the sound of the MF amp I listened to at the dealer's place for example, yet I know that you and many others enjoy MF products very much. So I'm curious to hear the new NAD Masters gear, even though I have no plans on buying any of it - besides, it's pricey stuff, I'd much rather get myself a nice TT and phono amp.
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We have a lurking member who now is the proud owner of a pair of Contour 20... Actually he is the first person I know that has a pair, via Tyler... Since he is local and just across town, I hope to get a chance to listen after the holidays as he uses Belles Gear with them, which I am sure is a great combo.
Is That DC? I thought he was getting the 3.4LE's.
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George: same guy, said he liked the sound better and they were a better fit for his downtown apartment.
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I had the center home for testing just a few weeks ago but returned it as I find I like using no center better.
So I can't be of any assistance, sorry.
Love your sense of humor btw., you fit right in here!
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