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I had a chance to listen to the Sopra No2's at the dealer a while ago and was impressed by its organic and natural quality. A pair of nearly mint but used Sopra No 1's came up, and I listened to them too a couple of months back. I love their aesthetic, but their form factor is bigger than the C1s and would be crammed in my small listening room. It was a hard decision but I finally decided against getting them and am waiting for the C1's successor to arrive. The Sopras are extremely open in the midrange and their treble sweetness and clarity are superlative--more open than my C1s.
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I had a chance to listen to the Sopra No2's at the dealer a while ago and was impressed by its organic and natural quality. A pair of nearly mint but used Sopra No 1's came up, and I listened to them too a couple of months back. I love their aesthetic, but their form factor is bigger than the C1s and would be crammed in my small listening room. It was a hard decision but I finally decided against getting them and am waiting for the C1's successor to arrive. The Sopras are extremely open in the midrange and their treble sweetness and clarity are superlative--more open than my C1s.
Thanks for your input,I realize this is a Dynaudio forum,so maybe some people get offended when we talk about other brand speakers here,but reality is,there ARE other brands beside Dyn making some damn fine speakers.The size of the Sopra 1s are not a problem for me,I owned C1’s for a couple of years,and I must say,I like the look of the Sopras more.It will be interesting to see the inevitable upgraded C1,are they going to change that look,I mean,come on,it has been what,15 years,with minor cosmetic changes.My demo time will be at least a few weeks with the Sopras,but I also own XD 600s,and excite 12s,so if I did trade in my 40s(not saying I will yet),it is not like I would be abandoning Dynaudio,after all,variety is the spice of life...
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Thanks for your input,I realize this is a Dynaudio forum,so maybe some people get offended when we talk about other brand speakers here,but reality is,there ARE other brands beside Dyn making some damn fine speakers.The size of the Sopra 1s are not a problem for me,I owned C1’s for a couple of years,and I must say,I like the look of the Sopras more.It will be interesting to see the inevitable upgraded C1,are they going to change that look,I mean,come on,it has been what,15 years,with minor cosmetic changes.My demo time will be at least a few weeks with the Sopras,but I also own XD 600s,and excite 12s,so if I did trade in my 40s(not saying I will yet),it is not like I would be abandoning Dynaudio,after all,variety is the spice of life...
Yes, I measured my words. I've owned my C1's for more than a decade. I had Special 25s before them. At the time that I got the C1s, the Micro Utopia BE's were around, and they were impressive. I love the C1's sound and hadn't much thought about replacing them, even with the upgraded versions/midcycle refreshes. I listened to the Sopra 2's when I was in the process of getting a new preamp. The Sopra 1's came up, and it was a spur-of-moment and potential opportunity.

I'm just anticipating the arrival of a clean-sheet C1 successor and hope the form factor falls between the C1 and the Sopra 1.
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Case in point: white gloss, mint Focus 160 for $1500 or 50% of S40:

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Looks beautiful finish. But one tweeter seems recessed-dented. Do you think it doesn't effect the sound? I see pair for 1200 in walnut with one of tweeters dented. Thanks for link.
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Looks beautiful finish. But one tweeter seems recessed-dented. Do you think it doesn't effect the sound? I see pair for 1200 in walnut with one of tweeters dented. Thanks for link.
You may want to check shipping costs from Hawaii. The cost of shipping to or from Hawaii tends to be quite high compare to the mainland.
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Red face Demoed the Special 40s over a long weekend.

So let me start out by saying as with anything YMMV.
Long time Dynaudio fan. I currently have the Emit M20s, which I enjoy.
After reading all the positive reviews on the S40s I thought it was time to take things up a notch.
Beautiful speakers (the demo pair was in the red birch).
Compared to the Emits - Lots more bass - larger soundstage - more refined sound overall.
Some of the others caveats for me were

- Not sure these were fully broken in? - they had 20 hours or so on them
- I think they overwhelmed my room a bit, is too much sound a thing?
- maybe my Peachtree 150 is not quite the amp these speakers really need deserve to sound their best.

Going from a Yamaha AS500 to the Peachtree 150 worked as nice upgrade for the Emits.
So maybe it's fair to say the S40 would also benefit from a similar upgrade.
So bottom line is I have decided to keep the Emits 20s for now.

Fast forward - returned to checking out the KEF LS50s.
I'll comment on how that worked out in another post if folks are interested in my random opinions.
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You may want to check shipping costs from Hawaii. The cost of shipping to or from Hawaii tends to be quite high compare to the mainland.
Good point on shipping expense.

But dimpled tweeter can be fixed easily (suck on it) and it doesn't impact sound.
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So let me start out by saying as with anything YMMV.
Long time Dynaudio fan. I currently have the Emit M20s, which I enjoy.
After reading all the positive reviews on the S40s I thought it was time to take things up a notch.
Beautiful speakers (the demo pair was in the red birch).
Compared to the Emits - Lots more bass - larger soundstage - more refined sound overall.
Some of the others caveats for me were

- Not sure these were fully broken in? - they had 20 hours or so on them
- I think they overwhelmed my room a bit, is too much sound a thing?
- maybe my Peachtree 150 is not quite the amp these speakers really need deserve to sound their best.

Going from a Yamaha AS500 to the Peachtree 150 worked as nice upgrade for the Emits.
So maybe it's fair to say the S40 would also benefit from a similar upgrade.
So bottom line is I have decided to keep the Emits 20s for now.

Fast forward - returned to checking out the KEF LS50s.
I'll comment on how that worked out in another post if folks are interested in my random opinions.
20 hours is not enough IMO. Yes, the S40s need good partnering electronics just like any other high quality, revealing speaker. The better the gear downstream, the better the sound in my experience.

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"20 hours is not enough IMO. Yes, the S40s need good partnering electronics just like any other high quality, revealing speaker. The better the gear downstream, the better the sound in my experience."

Yes 20 hours were on them when I got them. However I put quite a few hours on them over a 5 day period.
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So let me start out by saying as with anything YMMV.
Long time Dynaudio fan. I currently have the Emit M20s, which I enjoy.
After reading all the positive reviews on the S40s I thought it was time to take things up a notch.
Beautiful speakers (the demo pair was in the red birch).
Compared to the Emits - Lots more bass - larger soundstage - more refined sound overall.
Some of the others caveats for me were

- Not sure these were fully broken in? - they had 20 hours or so on them
- I think they overwhelmed my room a bit, is too much sound a thing?
- maybe my Peachtree 150 is not quite the amp these speakers really need deserve to sound their best.

Going from a Yamaha AS500 to the Peachtree 150 worked as nice upgrade for the Emits.
So maybe it's fair to say the S40 would also benefit from a similar upgrade.
So bottom line is I have decided to keep the Emits 20s for now.

Fast forward - returned to checking out the KEF LS50s.
I'll comment on how that worked out in another post if folks are interested in my random opinions.
If they are demo's I'd hope that the shop would have already broken them in before loaning them out...

One thing to note is that your M20's are 4 ohm where as the S40's are 6 ohm, so you might need to turn up the volume a little more on the S40's to get the same output you had from the M20's...
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So let me start out by saying as with anything YMMV.
Long time Dynaudio fan. I currently have the Emit M20s, which I enjoy.
After reading all the positive reviews on the S40s I thought it was time to take things up a notch.
Beautiful speakers (the demo pair was in the red birch).
Compared to the Emits - Lots more bass - larger soundstage - more refined sound overall.
Some of the others caveats for me were

- Not sure these were fully broken in? - they had 20 hours or so on them
- I think they overwhelmed my room a bit, is too much sound a thing?
- maybe my Peachtree 150 is not quite the amp these speakers really need deserve to sound their best.

Going from a Yamaha AS500 to the Peachtree 150 worked as nice upgrade for the Emits.
So maybe it's fair to say the S40 would also benefit from a similar upgrade.
So bottom line is I have decided to keep the Emits 20s for now.

Fast forward - returned to checking out the KEF LS50s.
I'll comment on how that worked out in another post if folks are interested in my random opinions.
Hi,I own the special 40s,and they do tend to put out a lot of bass,so I can see them not working in certain rooms.Also,you need a few hundred hours on them to know that they are fully broken in.I remember you from a while back,asking about the Peachtree amp,and if it could drive the 40s,I guess it is NOT all about having enough power.Very few people here use class D to drive their Dyns,the only guy I can think of is Aschen with C4s.Most guys use class AB amplification,so you probably have a few factors working against you,maybe even room size,which you didnt mention.

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I had a chance to turn up the Sopras today,anyone who knows Naim gear,knows that 70 on the dial is extremely loud.So yeah,I had Orbital,the green album playing comfortably at 60,and for about a minute,I cranked it to 70.At the risk of being evicted,I turned it back down,but the Sopras held up very well,no woofer popping,or fluttering around wildly,like I have seen the S40s do on bass heavy tracks.i wonder if the S40s are maybe voiced a bit bass heavy,because the Sopras do seem to have a bit lighter,or maybe a different presentation of bass(tighter).What I need to do is figure out which presentation I prefer.I also owe it to myself to ask my dealer for a demo of the C20s,before I do anything.I have also pondered with the idea of pulling my JL subs out of the closet,but that might be dangerous.I will take a few photos this afternoon,and post them tonight from work.

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I had a chance to turn up the Sopras today,anyone who knows Naim gear,knows that 70 on the dial is extremely loud.So yeah,I had Orbital,the green album playing comfortably at 60,and for about a minute,I cranked it to 70.At the risk of being evicted,I turned it back down,but the Sopras held up very well,no woofer popping,or fluttering around wildly,like I have seen the S40s do on bass heavy tracks.i wonder if the S40s are maybe voiced a bit bass heavy,because the Sopras do seem to have a bit lighter,or maybe a different presentation of bass(tighter).What I need to do is figure out which presentation I prefer.I also owe it to myself to ask my dealer for a demo of the C20s,before I do anything.I have also pondered with the idea of pulling my JL subs out of the closet,but that might be dangerous.I will take a few photos this afternoon,and post them tonight from work.


I think that’s the S40 “fun factor” where they have some really good punch. The Sopras are probably more linear all the way through.

The Sopras with dual fathoms would probably be a killer system!

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A few photos of the Sopra 1s,alone and next to the special 40s.Look how much bigger the stand base is than that on the stand 3.Also have one with the grill on.What do you think Drew,would those two JLs look nice sitting inside the Sopras?
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It will be decided after a few weeks of use,then I will switch back to the S 40s,find out what my cost will be,and go from there.I also want to get a price on new C20s,and maybe demo them.

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How do they compare to C20 size wise?
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It will be decided after a few weeks of use,then I will switch back to the S 40s,find out what my cost will be,and go from there.I also want to get a price on new C20s,and maybe demo them.
Don't forget the Kanta 1 and 3 will be released in the near future (for those of you on a stricter budget). IMO the Kanta's are 90-95% of the Sopra's SQ wise. It would be nice to hear opinion of the C20's when you hear them.
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It will be decided after a few weeks of use,then I will switch back to the S 40s,find out what my cost will be,and go from there.I also want to get a price on new C20s,and maybe demo them.
Cool. I have been contemplating the C20s but then I listen to my S40s and really can't fault them for the price. I know I would get a touch more refinement with the C20s but all that goes out the window after a few drinks anyway...lol.

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Don't forget the Kanta 1 and 3 will be released in the near future (for those of you on a stricter budget). IMO the Kanta's are 90-95% of the Sopra's SQ wise. It would be nice to hear opinion of the C20's when you hear them.
George,I did get to hear the C20,but only for a couple of songs at moderate volume,sounded real nice,but I need a longer in home demo to really evaluate them.Spurrier Sucks,the Sopras are definitely wider than the C20s,height and depth look close though,I guess you could check both manufacturers website to get exact numbers.All I know is,the Sopras and stands weigh 82 pounds,no need for sand.The base of the stand is actually a thick piece of glass.

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George,I did get to hear the C20,but only for a couple of songs at moderate volume,sounded real nice,but I need a longer in home demo to really evaluate them.Spurrier Sucks,the Sopras are definitely wider than the C20s,height and depth look close though,I guess you could check both manufacturers website to get exact numbers.All I know is,the Sopras and stands weigh 82 pounds,no need for sand.The base of the stand is actually a thick piece of glass.
Tony just use your own ears. Dyn's are world class speakers but there are others out there. Hopefully at some point in time you can compare the C20's to the Sopra's more seriously. I like the the adj feet set up on the Focals.
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Tony just use your own ears. Dyn's are world class speakers but there are others out there. Hopefully at some point in time you can compare the C20's to the Sopra's more seriously. I like the the adj feet set up on the Focals.
Yes the adjustable bases are nice,the way the threaded piece is accessible from the top,and there is a threaded locking knurled ring at the top too.Dyn has adjustable spikes on my XDs that are accessible from the top,but you need a tiny Allen wrench,and then need to reach underneath with a tiny wrench to lock it in place...no tools necessary on the Sopras,just your fingers.I guess this is part of the reason the stands are 1600 bucks alone
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Dyn has adjustable spikes on my XDs that are accessible from the top,but you need a tiny Allen wrench,and then need to reach underneath with a tiny wrench to lock it in place...no tools necessary on the Sopras,just your fingers.I guess this is part of the reason the stands are 1600 bucks alone[IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/eek.gif[/IMG]
I'm willing to fiddle around with some tools once every couple years to save $1k

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I'm willing to fiddle around with some tools once every couple years to save $1k
I would not think of putting the Sopras on any other stand,they are built like a tank,the speakers bolt directly to them,and they are actually are sold together,and ship in one box (speaker and stand together).

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I would not think of putting the Sopras on any other stand,they are built like a tank,the speakers bolt directly to them,and they are actually are sold together,and ship in one box (speaker and stand together).
Similar to the C1s and 1.4s in the stand+speaker design then, except that the speaker's footprint is much larger. $1,500 for stands is so much though... But I guess most people buying an $8k speaker can shrug it off

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Similar to the C1s and 1.4s in the stand+speaker design then, except that the speaker's footprint is much larger. $1,500 for stands is so much though... But I guess most people buying an $8k speaker can shrug it off
MY price for these speakers and stands is 6k Canadian,so 4650 US funds.

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What the heck is in the middle of the C20? Looks like someone forgot their undershirt in there.

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