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For the people here using the Stand 6, I’m looking at getting a pair for some standmounts and am curious if owners are satisfied? Any issues leveling them on hardwood floors? Are they stable (as far as stands go)? I have two young kids and a Golden Retriever and think I would add some mass like kiln dried sand, but it hey aren’t all the stable empty I don’t think mass would change that too much. I’d love to hear people’s thoughts.

I have them. They are spiked through carpet on concrete floor. Leveling them was straightforward but a bit tedious because the spikes have to be adjusted just right to eliminate any rocking. It's the same with any other stand that has 4 contact points. I prefer 3 contact points. I just left the spikes screwed all the way in until I settled on a final location and toe-in.


The column has two internal cavities running its length. The larger one is closed off and can be filled. I've filled mine with play sand. The smaller cavity in the back has openings at the top and bottom to run cables through, which I don't use.

When unfilled, the columns ring a little bit. So I definitely recommend filling them. They are stable enough for me when filled with stand. I also have two young kids (2 and 4), and they do bump into the speakers or stands occasionally when dancing around, but so far the kids haven't made them rock or fall over. It does help that the speakers are in a listening room where the kids don't spend a lot of their time and aren't allowed to run around. I don't think they would take an direct impact from a running child or dog without falling. If you want more mass, you could fill them with BB sized steel shot instead. I did that with a previous pair of stands and it did make them more resistant to tipping.

If you're really concerned about tipping over, you might consider something with a wider base like the Stand 20.


EDIT: Also, if they're not Dynaudio speakers that bolt to the stands, then I suggest you use some Blu-Tak or equivalent to hold the speakers to the stands. It's sticky enough that once it sets up it will be hard to knock the speakers off the stands.

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I recently got the Contour 20's and was about to buy the stand 6. Can you tell me if i'll be needing any additional adapter plates to bolt them to the speakers?



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Hi i have recently purchased marantz 6012 and dynaudio emit m20 which speaker cable should be best suited to my setup?


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Hi i have recently purchased marantz 6012 and dynaudio emit m20 which speaker cable should be best suited to my setup?
Any 10 or12 awg wire will be sufficient with good banana plugs
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What? And they can't get that complex machinery shipped to Denmark?
Poor answer.

Some of the best CNC machines are designed and built in Europe.

Is Dynaudio going to become Chynaudio?
Maybe it’s time to switch to Focal!!
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Wow,that did not take long...what,about three weeks max,since you got the shiny new C1’s,new DAC,new H 360?Already looking for a change,but why?
I would start looking at room treatments,since nothing appears to be working for you.
Hehe, i think i found amplifier for speakers with really good dynamic bass from start. l,ike Hegel,just smoother top.
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I use shoe laces for that extra organic sound. Converse is most dynamic.
I prefer Keds.
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Maybe it’s time to switch to Focal!!
Not sure if you are being sarcastic here Callas,but I paid roughly half of what the new Confidence 20s are for my Sopra 1s,and I would bet my life that they are more than half as good.They are completely manufactured in France,and with my new Superlumina cables pretty much broken in,they are absolutely stunning to my almost 53 year old ears.The other day I did a head to head with my XDs,and sorry to say,but the Sopras are miles ahead.This does not mean I dislike the XDs,I just find the Sopras more realistic sounding,like live music at a bar/concert venue.Hopefully The new C1’s have upped their game,but I can’t see changing speakers any time soon...for that price anyway.
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Not sure if you are being sarcastic here Callas,but I paid roughly half of what the new Confidence 20s are for my Sopra 1s,and I would bet my life that they are more than half as good.They are completely manufactured in France,and with my new Superlumina cables pretty much broken in,they are absolutely stunning to my almost 53 year old ears.The other day I did a head to head with my XDs,and sorry to say,but the Sopras are miles ahead.This does not mean I dislike the XDs,I just find the Sopras more realistic sounding,like live music at a bar/concert venue.Hopefully The new C1’s have upped their game,but I can’t see changing speakers any time soon...for that price anyway.

Price wise, the Confidence 20 will line up against the Diablo Utopia, which are very high resolution speakers but the presentation is not what I'm after. The Sopra line seems more refined and forgiving, and certainly offers very good performance for the money. I still prefer the Dynaudio house sound, but I was impressed by both the Sopra 1 and the KEF Reference 1.
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Ooph, Keds?

I grew up in the 80’s in SoCal. Vans baby, all day. They keep the sound off the wall.

Edit to add: Just avoid white vans.
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Not sure if you are being sarcastic here Callas,but I paid roughly half of what the new Confidence 20s are for my Sopra 1s,and I would bet my life that they are more than half as good.They are completely manufactured in France,and with my new Superlumina cables pretty much broken in,they are absolutely stunning to my almost 53 year old ears.The other day I did a head to head with my XDs,and sorry to say,but the Sopras are miles ahead.This does not mean I dislike the XDs,I just find the Sopras more realistic sounding,like live music at a bar/concert venue.Hopefully The new C1’s have upped their game,but I can’t see changing speakers any time soon...for that price anyway.
Sopra is a nice speaker I just don’t like their presentation. “Not my cuppa” I don’t care how good they do everything.
My point is if country of origin is so important to Aaron then focal is really his last option anymore. Everyone else is manufacturing something over seas.
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Price wise, the Confidence 20 will line up against the Diablo Utopia, which are very high resolution speakers but the presentation is not what I'm after. The Sopra line seems more refined and forgiving, and certainly offers very good performance for the money. I still prefer the Dynaudio house sound, but I was impressed by both the Sopra 1 and the KEF Reference 1.
Naim recently updated all its streamers (including my N272),and the Naim rep mentioned that Focal speakers were one of the speakers used to voice the update.Since that update,they seem to of really got the combo working well together,and I couldn’t be happier now.

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Just confirmed once more that due to the complex nature of the new cabinets, they won't be made in their HQ, which I must say is awesome !
Will post pictures when I get home ..
The details they go to is amazing.
Very glad I got that pair of S40s too.
Mates get them.. will share more when I get back.. long flight home
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Could you elaborate on your comments about the S40's?

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Hello everyone, what's the sound consensus on the Dyne Contour 30, what is it's sonic signature compared to the Confidence series? I'm thinking of switching from a c1 to the Contour 30, a little background long time ex poster here, been away from the fold for a while but I've sold my c4 because I wanted a change from the Dyne sound. I ended up with a Proac d30r and a C1, quite happy with them but I feel like a want a floor stander Dyne in the mix.
If anyone has any experience with the Contour 30 I'd be very grateful.

PS I'm also considering an s40, can anyone tell me what the sound is like compared to a c1 mk2?

Thanks thanks thanks!

I own Countour 30 past few weeks. Just got Hegel H190 to power it last week. This is my very first Dynaudio speakers. I was a Martin Logan fan for decades, decided to look for speakers with better detail, resolution in upper frequency range. I absolutely love its detail and high frequency detail, but I think Contour 30s lack in bass. Several guys here recommended speaker placement, so I am trying.


I don't think it's the amp's lack of bass output. Since Hegel 190 pushes 250wpc at 4Ohms. Even Dynaudio manufacturer recommended Hegels for it.
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Anyone tried the Nad C 388 Hybrid Digital DAC Amplifier?
Opinions? Are there sound difference about the 368 and 338 models (not only watts power)?

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I own Countour 30 past few weeks. Just got Hegel H190 to power it last week. This is my very first Dynaudio speakers. I was a Martin Logan fan for decades, decided to look for speakers with better detail, resolution in upper frequency range. I absolutely love its detail and high frequency detail, but I think Contour 30s lack in bass. Several guys here recommended speaker placement, so I am trying.


I don't think it's the amp's lack of bass output. Since Hegel 190 pushes 250wpc at 4Ohms. Even Dynaudio manufacturer recommended Hegels for it.
WPC equals volume output levels (max SPL at a speakers specific sensitivity), not bass response. That’s more determined in the voicing of the preamp.people will talk slew rates and dampening factors but my experience has t shows those to have significant meaning either.

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I own Countour 30 past few weeks. Just got Hegel H190 to power it last week. This is my very first Dynaudio speakers. I was a Martin Logan fan for decades, decided to look for speakers with better detail, resolution in upper frequency range. I absolutely love its detail and high frequency detail, but I think Contour 30s lack in bass. Several guys here recommended speaker placement, so I am trying.


I don't think it's the amp's lack of bass output. Since Hegel 190 pushes 250wpc at 4Ohms. Even Dynaudio manufacturer recommended Hegels for it.


You should play with your seating position too, if it's possible to move your couch/chair. You might be sitting in a null.

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My point is if country of origin is so important to Aaron then focal is really his last option anymore. Everyone else is manufacturing something over seas.

I am sure that some of Focal's lower priced products are made outside of the EU. And for their higher end products, I'm sure they source some crossover components, magnets, wire, and raw materials from overseas. And probably some of their production machinery and test equipment as well. Just like everybody else.

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I own Countour 30 past few weeks. Just got Hegel H190 to power it last week. This is my very first Dynaudio speakers. I was a Martin Logan fan for decades, decided to look for speakers with better detail, resolution in upper frequency range. I absolutely love its detail and high frequency detail, but I think Contour 30s lack in bass. Several guys here recommended speaker placement, so I am trying.


I don't think it's the amp's lack of bass output. Since Hegel 190 pushes 250wpc at 4Ohms. Even Dynaudio manufacturer recommended Hegels for it.
I read about your troubles with the 30, I believe your speakers may be positioned at a bass null, I had the same problems with my c4 when I moved rooms, the bass was non existent, had to bring out the speakers for breathing room. Walk around the speakers while bass heavy music is playing and get a feel for your rooms bass response and you'll be able to find the optima response, if that doesn't work you may have to get room treatments. Best of luck.
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I had the C368 with emit m20s. Good for the price.

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What? And they can't get that complex machinery shipped to Denmark?
Poor answer.

Some of the best CNC machines are designed and built in Europe.

Is Dynaudio going to become Chynaudio?
Most likely the machinery and more importantly factory are already set up and the workers with the necessary skillset are already there.

Face it, Dynaudio became Chynaaudio the day the chinese conglomerate bought it, but the building of the new research facility suggests to me that the China portion is still small and the majority of management, research and voicing will still be in Denmark.
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Sorry I have not had the time to reply, I haven't yet read all posts since my last answer, but I see some discussions on manufacturing origin, that I would like to adress. Quick answer, yes we have outsourced cabinet manufacturing. Long answer:

Our goal is to deliver the best possible product to our customers. For a long time, delivering the best quality meant making it in Denmark. As little as we would like to admit it, this is no longer the case for every part of the loudspeaker. To achieve the best quality, especially at the scale that we need to be able to meet demand (which is actually our main struggle right now), we have to continually monitor our options for manufacturing. We have been and still are proud of the manufacturing that we are doing in Skanderborg, Denmark - but, we don't want to make things in Denmark simply for the sake of doing it, we want to do it because it adds value. And when it comes to cabinets, we have to realize that for now, there are options on the market that allows us to deliver even better quality in certain (not all) areas. If we were not able to face this reality, we would not be doing our job properly. It does mean that we will put less of an emphasis on "Made in Denmark" in our marketing in the future - we believe in openness and honesty, and we don't want to give a false impression. In line with this, let me point out that final assembly of our CI products, as well as Xeo 2 and it's successor Xeo 10 and the Emit line, either has or will soon be moved to Goertek's manufacturing facilities in China. As we need to increase capacity, it would simply be crazy not to leverage the manufacturing expertise that resides in the Goertek group that we are now part of.

Please note that this is not a result of scaling down the amount of manufacturing done in Denmark - it is rearranged a bit, but we are making more speakers than ever in Denmark - the outsourced manufacturing is added to the significant investments that has been done in our Skanderborg facility, not replacing it. The motivation driver here is not to close down Skanderborg, it is to deliver a better Dynaudio experience, to more people. To increase quality, not decrease it. And by the way, these decisions were made by the management team in Skanderborg, not in China. This includes the responsible Product Manager - me.

As I have mentioned before, the criticism that resides on this and other internet forums, is in quite stark contrast to the reactions on the show floor, where we have received high praise for the perceived quality and finish of the new Confidence. A level of quality and finish that we would not have realized, if we were not able to make these kinds of tough decisions.

I am not going into any heated debates regarding people's opinions and feelings about this change in strategy - the above are the facts.

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Would this equate to the C20 being replacement to the C2 even though it is a standpoint? Bass extension comparable to C2?
That would probably be a stretch, although I can't confirm any numbers yet. But, there are certainly several areas where the new 20 exceeds a C2, although maybe not in every imaginable way. Different beasts, really.

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1.) What are the prices in US dollars, and are you charging for a uncharge for different finishes?
2.) What New Confidence speaker will replace the Confidence C2?
3.) Are the new Speakers still made all in Denmark or are the boxes/shells farmed out to China?

1. Same price for the standard finishes, which are the ones shown in Munich. I don't have the US pricing right now, I'll have to check up on that and get back to you.
2. Honestly, I don't think there is a direct replacement to C2, the whole lineup has been reimagined. Confidence 20 is better in many areas, but being smaller of course has some disadvantages. The Confidence 30 is a vast improvement over C2, and it's not really fair to label it as a C2 replacement, although in spirit I guess that's what it is.
3. See above.

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So glad to see Dynaudio finally has a new Confidence. I’ll bet they will be awesome and those pictures suck but only question with the line and the prior Confidence is why do they have to be so huge?

I’m not stating lifestyle speakers but the trend seems to be slightly smaller in footprint. I can only speak to the Bay Area but two million dollar homes are coming in on the smaller size. New York? Chicago? Asia?

I thought for sure this time they have a tower smaller than C2 but not a Monitor.
Final specifications will be published later in the year, but note that the Confidence 30 is significantly smaller in height than a C2.

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I totally want that "Consequence" clock!

Otto, were these ever sold?
Not to my knowledge (it was before my time...)

And no, you can't have my Lego Confidence 20 either!

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