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Old questions asked again...

Has anyone heard Excite X28 in action? How good it is?
Is it as good as discontinued Focus 200C / 210C?
Is it a good (enough) match with Contour 20/30/60? Contour 25C is too large for me.

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If you are the one of the very few people who hasn't made up their mind already, here's an article on power cables from Mark Fischer, who was the Chief Electrical Engineer at Bell Communications Research. http://www.realhd-audio.com/?p=5565. It's pretty strongly worded, so best to give it a miss if you're a believer. I say it again: this article is for those who are undecided and/or anyone with an open mind on the issue! I'm not seeking to provoke anyone who's passionate about expensive cables. Each to their own.
Go fly a kite.
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Go fly a kite.
In fairness Drew,he probably has never tried high end cables in his system to hear a difference.Not sure they would either,from what I see on his equipment list,he is driving (nine) Dynaudio speakers from an AVR,so....
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In fairness Drew,he probably has never tried high end cables in his system to hear a difference.Not sure they would either,from what I see on his equipment list,he is driving (nine) Dynaudio speakers from an AVR,so....
Tony some folks can never justify the price for 2 reasons. 1 (probably the most common reason) it's only wire. 2 there are some high priced cables that do not perform at their price points. You have to find the right synergy for your system.
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Drew have you tried from the wall to the amp with the Thunder? If not I would give it a try for a couple of days to see if it sounds better or worse.
Honestly I don't want to touch it now. I am finally perfectly happy with this pretty damn decent little system. I can just sit back enjoy the music.

Now I just gotta learn to ignore all the cool new stuff coming out though...lol.

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In fairness Drew,he probably has never tried high end cables in his system to hear a difference.Not sure they would either,from what I see on his equipment list,he is driving (nine) Dynaudio speakers from an AVR,so....
That explains a lot. I honestly don't care if someone thinks cables don't make a difference. But these so called internet experts posting the same old internet links to support their claim is lame as fvck...

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That explains a lot. I honestly don't care if someone thinks cables don't make a difference. But these so called internet experts posting the same old internet links to support their claim is lame as fvck...
Agreed,and to counter THAT link,here is one that a guy on the Naim forum posted.It is about Ansuz Cables and distribution blocks,same ones George uses.The guy who posted it uses Naim Ovator 600 speakers,and we know George uses Raidho...so this stuff works with any speaker,including Dyns,I would think.In part of the demo,he uses scansonics with Naim gear,then upgrades to Raidho,then Aavik,with all the various cables.It is a good read,and certainly eye opening.So,to Fullshred,are we supposed to believe YOU,and your lame links,or a guy we actually know (George),who uses them,along with Matrixman,Bluvette,and I think the other guy was Jnelson,or Yonson,who all had a demo of these cables,and all say the improvement was HUGE.

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I can absolutely respect someone saying that they tried high end cables on their system and thought they made no difference or it wasn't worth it. It's the people that have zero personal experience and think they know everything because they read it on the internet.
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I can absolutely respect someone saying that they tried high end cables on their system and thought they made no difference or it wasn't worth it. It's the people that have zero personal experience and think they know everything because they read it on the internet.
I had a very nice conversation with Jerry @ straightwire today. He’s sending me 2 2M Pro Thunder, 1 Black Thunder and 2 Grey Lightning cables to demo and test in my system. This is along with the AQ 2M Thunder from my local AQ guy. So it will be interesting to see what combo works and what doesn’t. All of my power cables are stock at the moment running into a Panamax 5300 except the Hegel which is going to the wall direct. Should be fun and objective.

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That explains a lot. I honestly don't care if someone thinks cables don't make a difference. But these so called internet experts posting the same old internet links to support their claim is lame as fvck...
It's really quite simple. You think you hear a difference between two power cables. There are, legitimately, two possibilities: A. There really is a difference. B. There actually isn't, but perceptual bias makes you think there is. (I am assuming you agree with the literature that perceptual bias is actually a thing.)

Fortunately, science provides us with an extremely simple experiment to work out if it's A or B. Throw a great big sheet over the whole thing. If there really is a HUGE difference (in caps for emphasis, like the post somewhere above), you'll be able to pick it 100% of the time in a random double-blind test.

So there you have it. It's very easy to prove either way.

These cables are expensive. Consumers have the right to know. If anyone has a problem with blind tests, please explain why. Or alternatively, explain the method you would use to test any old crazy claim (e.g. I have read in an audiophile magazine that amplifiers sound better if attached to helium balloons, in fact it makes a HUGE difference... they have to be expensive to get the full effect, and the shape of the balloon needs to be matched to the speaker and amp.)

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In fairness Drew,he probably has never tried high end cables in his system to hear a difference.Not sure they would either,from what I see on his equipment list,he is driving (nine) Dynaudio speakers from an AVR,so....
Oh please. Have you heard my system driven by 850 watts of Class D amplification? No? Didn't think so.

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I listened to nordost cables (pretty sure it was the purple flare vs the valhallas) on a distributor's system ($6k+ amps and a pair of bookshelves from a well-known british brand costing roughly $7500 - brands omitted to prevent identifying the dealer)

The listening session lasted roughly two hours with music I was incredibly familiar with, and I did my best to maintain an open mind as he gave me the demonstration. I'm not super familiar with nordost beyond their marketing, so I wouldn't have a real bias between cables and price points. Towards the latter portion of the listening session, he swapped the cables. I did my best to listen as carefully as he could, and I left with him telling me, "Well, some people just can't hear the difference." The tone he used was meant to imply I wasn't a "real" audiophile. Yikes

I'm also the one who has had friends over to listen to my speakers, and I pull out the JBL LSR305s to give them a comparison as to what they can get a different price points. Some of my friends really can't tell the difference in sound between the two, and I'm not offended or defensive when they do so. There are measurable (and audible) difference between the two pairs of speakers (not to mention the completely different driver array, amplification/crossover setup, etc.), so this really is a case of people not knowing (or caring about) what to listen for. When my friends can't tell the difference, I encourage them to save the money and get the cheaper pair.

Maybe I'm weird, but I always encourage people to chase the paths that lead to the greatest return for effort/money. I'm almost positive that an extra $8k in speakers or room treatments would do more than $8k in cables. Maybe I'm a bit off in that regard though.
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I listened to nordost cables (pretty sure it was the purple flare vs the valhallas) on a distributor's system ($6k+ amps and a pair of bookshelves from a well-known british brand costing roughly $7500 - brands omitted to prevent identifying the dealer)

The listening session lasted roughly two hours with music I was incredibly familiar with, and I did my best to maintain an open mind as he gave me the demonstration. I'm not super familiar with nordost beyond their marketing, so I wouldn't have a real bias between cables and price points. Towards the latter portion of the listening session, he swapped the cables. I did my best to listen as carefully as he could, and I left with him telling me, "Well, some people just can't hear the difference." The tone he used was meant to imply I wasn't a "real" audiophile. Yikes

I'm also the one who has had friends over to listen to my speakers, and I pull out the JBL LSR305s to give them a comparison as to what they can get a different price points. Some of my friends really can't tell the difference in sound between the two, and I'm not offended or defensive when they do so. There are measurable (and audible) difference between the two pairs of speakers (not to mention the completely different driver array, amplification/crossover setup, etc.), so this really is a case of people not knowing (or caring about) what to listen for. When my friends can't tell the difference, I encourage them to save the money and get the cheaper pair.

Maybe I'm weird, but I always encourage people to chase the paths that lead to the greatest return for effort/money. I'm almost positive that an extra $8k in speakers or room treatments would do more than $8k in cables. Maybe I'm a bit off in that regard though.
And that...is why, I don't go to B&Ms.

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Hi,

I've never owned Dynaudios (though a longtime audiophile who has gone through many a speaker)...I'm looking to simplify life and go with an active system. My question is whether to go with the Focal 200 xd or the xeo 30 (not sure how many have heard the latter). Is there a significant difference in quality (other than one being a floor-stander...I'm more interested in clarity than the deepest bass).

My system is in a fairly wide, rectangular room, though I have to set the system up along the long wall. I enjoy a lot of classical, jazz, and some rock (more on the acoustic side, though a bit of everything).

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Oh please. Have you heard my system driven by 850 watts of Class D amplification? No? Didn't think so.[/QUOTE]

Lol,I think I will pass,I just looked up your AVR...looks like you are falling for the old marketing trick.850 Watts eh,the spec sheet says that is the TOTAL with all channels driven,in other words 850 divided by nine,and it is probably peak power,not RMS.It says 260 Watts/channel into 4 ohms with one channel driven.I owned C1’s before,and know what it takes to drive them properly,and I currently own the same Confidence Center as you.But,I drive mine with a true 1000 watt monoblock,but I am sure yours sounds better.
By the way,your amp is midfi,the ratings of THD with one channel driven is 1%,My Cary monoblock is rated at LESS than .05% at rated output,or 1,000 Watts.


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I can absolutely respect someone saying that they tried high end cables on their system and thought they made no difference or it wasn't worth it. It's the people that have zero personal experience and think they know everything because they read it on the internet.
Interesting, and I respect your comment. I have worked at a high end store and sold high end cables in a past life and still have a few pairs laying around. I have a crapload of personal experience and professional ones, yet I get crap for speaking my mind on the subject or heaven forbid if I disagree with some one. Personally I would never go into a dealer room unless, there is no one else in the room with me, and let me be the judge and and then take them home for a demo. If you hear the difference so be it, then move on, talking about it on a Speaker forum constantly reminds me of that salesmen whispering in your ear can you hear the difference. Now when I go to shows and the sales guys are throwing out words like dead quite background and sonic improvements and better clarity, it mucks everything up and skews perception. I personally think there are much better ways too improve upon your sound then "over paying" for cables or interconnects, and the ironic thing about cables, why do they cost so much question rarely comes up, but when it does, you even get more BS.
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I can absolutely respect someone saying that they tried high end cables on their system and thought they made no difference or it wasn't worth it. It's the people that have zero personal experience and think they know everything because they read it on the internet.
Interesting, and I respect your comment. I have worked at a high end store and sold high end cables in a past life and still have a few pairs laying around. I have a crapload of personal experience and professional ones, yet I get crap for speaking my mind on the subject or heaven forbid if I disagree with some one. Personally I would never go into a dealer room unless, there is no one else in the room with me, and let me be the judge and and then take them home for a demo. If you hear the difference so be it, then move on, talking about it on a Speaker forum constantly reminds me of that salesmen whispering in your ear can you hear the difference. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/IMG] Now when I go to shows and the sales guys are throwing out words like dead quite background and sonic improvements and better clarity, it mucks everything up and skews perception. I personally think there are much better ways too improve upon your sound then "over paying" for cables or interconnects, and the ironic thing about cables, why do they cost so much question rarely comes up, but when it does, you even get more BS. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG]
Maybe they cost so much because of capitalism. I don't have a problem with the cost. If you don't want to to pay them don't. If you do then do. Not sure why someone gets upset with someone else's decision.
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Maybe they cost so much because of capitalism. I don't have a problem with the cost. If you don't want to to pay them don't. If you do then do. Not sure why someone gets upset with someone else's decision.
Who is getting upset? I get capitalism, then manufactures should be able too answer that question "why are they more expensive, effectively! I have asked that question and the remarks I get back are pretty laughable at times.

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Maybe they cost so much because of capitalism. I don't have a problem with the cost. If you don't want to to pay them don't. If you do then do. Not sure why someone gets upset with someone else's decision.
Who is getting upset? I get capitalism, then manufactures should be able too answer that question "why are they more expensive, effectively! I have asked that question and the remarks I get back are pretty laughable at times.
My guess is because people the price. Kind of how the free market works. I get it some don't like expensive cables. I'm not for or against but it's a choice I like having available.
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My guess is because people the price. Kind of how the free market works. I get it some don't like expensive cables. I'm not for or against but it's a choice I like having available.
Free market works great when you have good science to backup the products! Scientific background here and I rely on it more frequently for making rational choices. I have zero issues with cables and companies that would scientifically prove their product, that's all I am asking for, pretty simple. Not some sales guy rating about psychoacoustics, which I get as well. I look for well made stuff that isn't cheap either and I am all for choices. Done with this topic, as it seems people like talking more about this than what can really make a difference in sound quality.

My take; you need to smoke 2 joints and have 4 glass of good bourbon and listen to these $8000 cables. Oh, and have plenty of snacks both during and after the demo!
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Free market works great when you have good science to backup the products! Scientific background here and I rely on it more frequently for making rational choices. I have zero issues with cables and companies that would scientifically prove their product, that's all I am asking for, pretty simple. Not some sales guy rating about psychoacoustics, which I get as well. I look for well made stuff that isn't cheap either and I am all for choices. Done with this topic, as it seems people like talking more about this than what can really make a difference in sound quality.

My take; you need to smoke 2 joints and have 4 glass of good bourbon and listen to these $8000 cables. Oh, and have plenty of snacks both during and after the demo!
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Free market works great when you have good science to backup the products! Scientific background here and I rely on it more frequently for making rational choices. I have zero issues with cables and companies that would scientifically prove their product, that's all I am asking for, pretty simple. Not some sales guy rating about psychoacoustics, which I get as well. I look for well made stuff that isn't cheap either and I am all for choices. Done with this topic, as it seems people like talking more about this than what can really make a difference in sound quality.

My take; you need to smoke 2 joints and have 4 glass of good bourbon and listen to these $8000 cables. Oh, and have plenty of snacks both during and after the demo!
And lines of cocaine, the glossy finish on the C20s is the perfect little table....lol
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Before this gets totally buried...just curious whether XD>xeo no matter what...or whether the xeo 30's might be worth considering even up against the 200xd.

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I've never owned Dynaudios (though a longtime audiophile who has gone through many a speaker)...I'm looking to simplify life and go with an active system. My question is whether to go with the Focal 200 xd or the xeo 30 (not sure how many have heard the latter). Is there a significant difference in quality (other than one being a floor-stander...I'm more interested in clarity than the deepest bass).

My system is in a fairly wide, rectangular room, though I have to set the system up along the long wall. I enjoy a lot of classical, jazz, and some rock (more on the acoustic side, though a bit of everything).

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Before this gets totally buried...just curious whether XD>xeo no matter what...or whether the xeo 30's might be worth considering even up against the 200xd.

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I imagine people are not answering your post because they have not heard BOTH speakers you are asking about.I have heard the xd 200’s,I had them on a 1 week home demo...but the only XEO model I have heard is the Xeo 3.It was the first Dyn speaker I ever heard,and got me liking this brand in the first place.So,it is extremely hard to answer your specific question,unless you work for Dynaudio,because most dealers do not carry every model.

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And lines of cocaine, the glossy finish on the C20s is the perfect little table....lol
Just trying too keep things light hearted, as you can't take this s h i t with you when your numbers up! But you sure can enjoy it while you have it...

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My guess is because people the price. Kind of how the free market works. I get it some don't like expensive cables. I'm not for or against but it's a choice I like having available.
Free market works great when you have good science to backup the products! Scientific background here and I rely on it more frequently for making rational choices. I have zero issues with cables and companies that would scientifically prove their product, that's all I am asking for, pretty simple. Not some sales guy rating about psychoacoustics, which I get as well. I look for well made stuff that isn't cheap either and I am all for choices. Done with this topic, as it seems people like talking more about this than what can really make a difference in sound quality.

My take; you need to smoke 2 joints and have 4 glass of good bourbon and listen to these $8000 cables. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG] Oh, and have plenty of snacks both during and after the demo! [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/IMG]
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I just compared expensive cables to God. Lol. I'm done.
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At least they can give a more compelling story on why he exists, or doesn't! Wait, I am Catholic as well....

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I just compared expensive cables to God. Lol. I'm done.
At least we can actually see,touch cables...

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