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At least we can actually see,touch cables...
Well Mother Nature decided to dump a load on our area last night! So Cables are the least of my concerns!

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Thanks...it's more generally a question of whether the xd series are a huge step up over the xeo series (particularly any of the floor standers...)...but I hear you...


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I imagine people are not answering your post because they have not heard BOTH speakers you are asking about.I have heard the xd 200’s,I had them on a 1 week home demo...but the only XEO model I have heard is the Xeo 3.It was the first Dyn speaker I ever heard,and got me liking this brand in the first place.So,it is extremely hard to answer your specific question,unless you work for Dynaudio,because most dealers do not carry every model.
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Tell me when the open house at next level is please. I live 15 minutes away and they carry a couple brands holm and simply stereo dont.

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Well Mother Nature decided to dump a load on our area last night! So Cables are the least of my concerns!

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That blows,is your new listening room in the basement flooded? They were forecasting a bunch of rain here today,but it never happened.

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damn good listening room , timeeee to change your speaker with floorstanders .....poison mode on..
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Tell me when the open house at next level is please. I live 15 minutes away and they carry a couple brands holm and simply stereo dont.
Steven: I would PM George (Octa) on here. Next Level carries some good brands, and if your local it makes it even better, 2 hours or so for me but worth a trip this fall.

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Tell me when the open house at next level is please. I live 15 minutes away and they carry a couple brands holm and simply stereo dont.
Tyler is in Denmark and won't be home until the 25th. Was there something you wanted to hear? If so I'm sure he will set up a time you both agree on. Or send me a PM
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That blows,is your new listening room in the basement flooded? They were forecasting a bunch of rain here today,but it never happened.
no quarter: Thankfully I bought a house that is the highest point in our neighborhood, my sump pump didn't even kick on with 12 Inches of rain in 24 hours with some places getting 15, other places didn't fair well.

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no quarter: Thankfully I bought a house that is the highest point in our neighborhood, my sump pump didn't even kick on with 12 Inches of rain in 24 hours with some places getting 15, other places didn't fair well.
That's the rain Noah built the ark for. Glad everything is OK
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Thanks...it's more generally a question of whether the xd series are a huge step up over the xeo series (particularly any of the floor standers...)...but I hear you...
I haven't done any back to back comparisons of the XD and Xeo, but I can offer this...
Back in 2012 when I lived in Sydney, I attended the hi-fi show where Dynaudio introduced the then-new Xeo line and the then-updated Focus passive line to Australia. In their suite, I was able to hear the bookshelf and floorstanding versions of the Xeo and the Focus 160 and 260. At the time, I was underwhelmed by the Xeo and thought they were fine for background music, and the small ones would be good for computer speakers. On the other hand, I was very impressed with the price/performance of the new Focus. They had the Focus 260s driven by a modest Arcam integrated and were trying to show off Bluetooth streaming from a phone. I couldn't give two ****s about the Bluetooth streaming, but I thoroughly enjoyed the demo and it was the best lower priced system I heard at that show.

The Xeo's have improved, and I did hear the small ones again a couple years ago, but I wasn't blown away. I lack experience with the XDs, but they should be at least as good as the passive Focus.

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damn good listening room , timeeee to change your speaker with floorstanders .....poison mode on..
I've tried a few. The picture was taken with a wide lens, so the room looks bigger than it is. I started with some Aperion Audio floorstanders when it was just a bar area, before it was converted into a listening space. After room treatment, I've tried Dynaudio C2, Focus Audio 788, and Magico S1. Floorstanders in this room are a recipe for mid-bass suck out and low bass boom.

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I currently own the same Confidence Center as you.But,I drive mine with a true 1000 watt monoblock,but I am sure yours sounds better.
By the way,your amp is midfi,the ratings of THD with one channel driven is 1%,My Cary monoblock is rated at LESS than .05% at rated output,or 1,000 Watts.
You're compensating for a small what?!! Oh I'm sorry, I thought you said "clock"

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You're compensating for a small what?!! Oh I'm sorry, I thought you said "clock"
No problems here,go listen to your midfi...what a waste of good speakers.

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I see you are very busy with ultra-mega-giga important subject , but I'll give it another shot...

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Has anyone heard Excite X28 in action? How good it is?
Is it as good as discontinued Focus 200C / 210C?
Is it a good (enough) match with Contour 20/30/60? Contour 25C is too large for me.

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Has anyone heard Excite X28 in action? How good it is?
Is it as good as discontinued Focus 200C / 210C?
Is it a good (enough) match with Contour 20/30/60? Contour 25C is too large for me.
Not too many people have heard both. I've asked the question to a dealer in the past and was told the X28 would be fine with my Contoud 20. There is a member here that has used a x22 with Focus 260 before upgrading to 210 and he said the x22 was fine. Also another member used a x22 with C2 and was happy with it. X28 uses same drivers as 210 I believe so I'm sure it will be fine since C25 is too large for you. I'll probably do the same thing if I buy a center.
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Thanks.

I've searched this thread both using forum search and google and already found some of the info you mentioned. I was wondering if someone has some new experience, but I was affraid that my question was lost in all these "cablemania" posts

I suppose Excite X28 for center and Emit M20 for surrounds should be good enough.

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Has anyone heard Excite X28 in action? How good it is?
Is it as good as discontinued Focus 200C / 210C?
Is it a good (enough) match with Contour 20/30/60? Contour 25C is too large for me.
That's a tough one to answer without auditioning it! On paper, you're picking a speaker (X28C) that's three times cheaper (wrt Contour 25C) and with tweeters from a different family. The centre speaker is the linchpin of a home theatre system - it gets all the dialog and centered effects. Having said that... you might only notice the difference if you had the Contour 25C side-by-side to do an A/B comparison.

A bit of a left field suggestion... have you thought about chasing down a Contour SC-X second hand? It's wider than either of the others (31.5in / 800mm) but shallower than the Contour 25C (12.5" / 318mm). It has Esotar2 tweeters (not exactly the same as the Contour 20/30/60, but would be closer than the Excite) and plays lower. If your problem with the 25C is depth then the SC-X could work? A search on Hifishark shows they tend to sell for between $USD1,000 and $1,500...

Good luck!

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An update on the M10s:

With the (sad) decision, to likely move on my beloved PMC 25-23s; I officially moved them out, of prime real estate.

This allowed me, to spread the M10s to more like 8' apart. Much better sounding.

For the price...a steal!
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I don't have a chance for audition, and I was hoping someone here did have that opportunity.

Depth is ok - width and height of 25C are my problems. And also the shape and look - it should be on the dedicated stand or on top of the low height rack/shelf with TV up on the wall. It's a pity to hide it in the rack and I like my TV on the rack, on low position in the eye level, closer to me. My OLED is only 65" - 77" is still too expensive.

I've listened to some other very expensive center speakers and I wasn't so convinced they should cost as much as they cost.

With bigger investment in stereo speakers (in most cases) it's pretty obvious what are you getting. When you go above some price level, you already have some quality level, but you are getting bigger, deeper sound stage with better details which are better positioned, better and tighter bass...

On the other side, I haven't seen so much benefit with pricier center speaker (above the level where quality is not an issue - >1000$), because those attributes are just not so applicable.

So, for X28 I'm probably more concerned how it would blend with the Contours considering sound/tone color, than if the quality is on the appropriate level.

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Does anyone use Electrocompaniet amps with their Dyn speakers? I use McIntosh amps all around in my HT, (MC303, MC207, and MC152). I am short one amp channel if I add wides. I will pull my 2 rear surround speakers and put them on another 2 channel amp. I don't want to add another MC152 due to the expense (even used the prices are high). The (non-digital) amps that seem similar to the McIntosh sound (great midrange, huge soundstage, not hyper detailed, robust/full sounding, easy listening, slightly rolled off treble seem to be Abrahamsen (not available in the US) or Electrocompaniet, which has a similar design and is related to the Abrahamsen. Used Electrocompaniet prices seem to be reasonable, but hard to find.

Either that or save more $$ and get a new small 2 channel Parasound Halo amp, but I am concerned the tone/timbre, sound stage and detail could be way off.

http://www.parasound.com/a23.php

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EC was always a good match with DY.

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Thanks.

I've searched this thread both using forum search and google and already found some of the info you mentioned. I was wondering if someone has some new experience, but I was affraid that my question was lost in all these "cablemania" posts

I suppose Excite X28 for center and Emit M20 for surrounds should be good enough.
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Not too many people have heard both. I've asked the question to a dealer in the past and was told the X28 would be fine with my Contoud 20. There is a member here that has used a x22 with Focus 260 before upgrading to 210 and he said the x22 was fine. Also another member used a x22 with C2 and was happy with it. X28 uses same drivers as 210 I believe so I'm sure it will be fine since C25 is too large for you. I'll probably do the same thing if I buy a center.
I used the X22 with Excite X16s, Focus 160s and 260s-(for a little while), it was actually a very good center channel, but I did upgrade to the 210C because I wanted everything to match and the 210C ultimately sounded larger and fuller during action sequences plus dialog of men’s voices in particular had more weight to them.

The drivers are not the same in the X28 and 210C. The 210Cuses the 75mm voice coil and the woofers are 15cm where the X28 is 14cm woofer with the 1.5” voice coil design. Not to mention the 210C cabinet is a little bigger, and the frequency response of the 210C digs a little deeper @ 43 vs 50 Hz too. The X28 is less sensitive 86 vs 88 dbs, the crossover is 1800 vs 2000, and it’s 8 ohm vs 4 ohm, so overall the designs are more like comparing a Granny Smith Apple to a honey crisp apple.

My guess having not heard the X28 is that it will perform very close to the 210C even tho the designs aren’t the same. The X22 performed very well and I always wanted a bigger version of that center channel, well the X28 came about after the Focus upgrade. But the X28 should have the size to not get lost between the Contour 20s or 30s. The M20s would be great for surrounds, I use DM2/6s with my Focus 260/210C setup and the DMs perform admirably.
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What? Replace with?
Not sure yet; maybe 40s.

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Not sure yet; maybe 40s. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/confused.gif[/IMG]

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Those 25.23 are already small. Hell they're probably smaller than the S40 on stands. The 25.23 I heard were damn good. I was shocked by the bass of the those speakers. Although they were powered by a NAP 300DR. I would think a bit overkill for those. Aren't they supposed to be fairly easy to power?
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Does anyone use Electrocompaniet amps with their Dyn speakers? I use McIntosh amps all around in my HT, (MC303, MC207, and MC152). I am short one amp channel if I add wides. I will pull my 2 rear surround speakers and put them on another 2 channel amp. I don't want to add another MC152 due to the expense (even used the prices are high). The (non-digital) amps that seem similar to the McIntosh sound (great midrange, huge soundstage, not hyper detailed, robust/full sounding, easy listening, slightly rolled off treble seem to be Abrahamsen (not available in the US) or Electrocompaniet, which has a similar design and is related to the Abrahamsen. Used Electrocompaniet prices seem to be reasonable, but hard to find.

Either that or save more $$ and get a new small 2 channel Parasound Halo amp, but I am concerned the tone/timbre, sound stage and detail could be way off.

http://www.parasound.com/a23.php

The only digital amp I may consider would be a Bel Canto. Do they have a similar sonic signature to McIntosh amps as stated above or is the sound a bit biting/edgy at times due to the inherent Class D design.

Thoughts?
I have a Parasound A31 on my surrounds currently, but I will eventually replace it with an additional Schiit Vidar or possibly 2 for a total of 4 or 5 in my 7.2 setup...
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