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Nice system...PS Audio gear is good stuff...those creepy hands though.
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Nice system...PS Audio gear is good stuff...those creepy hands though.
Right!? And that creepy CD transport

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Andy: Nice setup! and cool sub, are those available in the US yet? as I only see the 6 and 3 listed on Dyns site, well must be since your in the Western US. I went with a couple of Paradigms, similar size with good impact. The only thing is I could see with that sub placement, vibrating those hands off the table, unless they are nailed down!

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I've been checking the vibration situation with the whole table top and it seems fine so I'm OK with the arrangement so far.
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Nice system...PS Audio gear is good stuff...those creepy hands though.
I thought the same thing about the hands...
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Yes, but maybe @Andy Linkner is a hand doc and then the torso is creepy...
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I know the guys in this thread...don't have much experience; with down-sizing, and "lesser" gear...lol

But...I have a question; and you are the devils I know.

I'm looking, for a small-footprint...IA; in the ~$1k range. To drive, EMIT M10s (and others, I might shoot-out with them. B&W 607s, Revel M105s, Vienna Acoustics Haydn...maybe).

The Rega Brio-R, is the first one to jump to mind. Half-size, decent power; good reviews. I have the excellent, MF M6si; but it is too big, and has more power than I need. I have the also excellent (with the right pairing; like the Revel M106s, but I wouldn't say universally); Arcam A29. I'm pretty sure, I'm going to move them on...and try for this new thing.

Any other suggestions, come to mind? Someone suggested Cyrus; but I don't know enough about the brand to take a chance.

I've thought about NAIM; like a UnitiQute. But I don't want a unit, where there streaming or DAC...goes to "waste"; because it doesn't quite have everything, that I need (TIDAL, MQA, DSD). I have thought about, like a Mytek Liberty...driving a NAIM NAP-100. But again; I don't imagine anyone here...though we are chock full of NAIM guys; has really heard, the likes of the 100

It has crossed my mind; that were I to be able to ditch, the streamer (Auralic Aries Mini. I can't believe, they don't make it anymore! Did too much, for the price??)...DAC...and fold all of that, into the price of an all-in-one IA. There's the Uniti Atom to consider.

Seems to check all the boxes; except...I'm not sure, 40 (even 40 NAIM watts, lol) is enough to live with inevitably (and yes, I know it can be upgraded...to an outbound power-amp; but then a) that "wastes" the the IA, you get with the unit b) adds considerably to the cost, and c) before you even say it; the Nova is too expensive).

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Downsizing again eh...
I owned the Naim UQ2,and I really liked it a lot,paired it at first with Neat Iota’s.Great sound,but lacked bass,but that was the speakers,not the UQ2.I then tried it with my excite12’s,which would be similar to your Emit’s,and I just loved that combo,tons of boogie,just fun to listen to.Then I tried my focus 160’s with it,better yet,more of the same boogie,and fun factor.I even tried a Nap 100 with the Qute and 160’s,to see if I got a bit more grunt out of the 160’s.It did give more volume/control over the woofer,but I felt it lost some of the magic of the UQ2 on its own.I ended up trading/swapping boxes many more times since then,but honestly,sometimes I wish I just stuck with the UQ2/excite 12 combo.
My advice would be to ditch the seperate streamer,go for the Atom with the Emits,sit back and enjoy.

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Downsizing again eh...
I owned the Naim UQ2,and I really liked it a lot,paired it at first with Neat Iota’s.Great sound,but lacked bass,but that was the speakers,not the UQ2.I then tried it with my excite12’s,which would be similar to your Emit’s,and I just loved that combo,tons of boogie,just fun to listen to.Then I tried my focus 160’s with it,better yet,more of the same boogie,and fun factor.I even tried a Nap 100 with the Qute and 160’s,to see if I got a bit more grunt out of the 160’s.It did give more volume/control over the woofer,but I felt it lost some of the magic of the UQ2 on its own.I ended up trading/swapping boxes many more times since then,but honestly,sometimes I wish I just stuck with the UQ2/excite 12 combo.
My advice would be to ditch the seperate streamer,go for the Atom with the Emits,sit back and enjoy.
Too late; for now Tony. Just picked up, some X14As...for a song.

I'll see what they're like...as opposed to the M10s, with an IA; and choose.

If the M10s "win"; might try that Atom route. If not...I need a (balanced) source, for the X14As

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Crap iPhone pic of the newly installed X24 center. I think it will do a fine job for me at a much more reasonable price than the Contour 25.
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I posted this over on the System Pics thread but thought it should properly be here too:

Newly configured system w/ Dynaudio 9S studio sub--

Boy I saw that picture years ago or sure darn similar. The hands were impossible to forget.

Edit: so was the Silence of the Lambs home sewing kit.
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Boy I saw that picture years ago or sure darn similar. The hands were impossible to forget.

Edit: so was the Silence of the Lambs home sewing kit.

Actually, the audio gear is entirely different than that older photo except for the C1 II's.


The interior decorating items (my wife's doing) are largely the same.

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Actually, the audio gear is entirely different than that older photo except for the C1 II's.


The interior decorating items (my wife's doing) are largely the same.
Yeah I thought I saw this before. I actually like the touch.
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Too late; for now Tony. Just picked up, some X14As...for a song.

If you picked up the "used" set on eBay from World Wide Stereo; I bet they are new. This company has been listing XEO 2, X14, and X14A weekly for the past year as "open box, customer return". It's a good deal on the X14A for sure.

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Never Mind"..

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Never Mind"..
The center is working out fine for me. I’ve been doing a phantom center for about 2 years now. It’s nice to have a center again. I’m only 8-9’ from it. It’s about the same size as my previous Scansonic center and not much smaller than my Totem center. Much smaller than my third Mirage center but better than my first and second Mirage centers. Tired of losing cash on centers when I change up my L and R mains. This one is cheap enough and sounds good so far. A bit closed in sounding but I’m sure it will open up a bit after a few hours of play. Happy with it so far. Can’t bting myself to get the Contour center since most of my time is spent with music and not movies. Ibgjinknit fits in nicely. Looks bigger in person than in the pic.
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A good Center channel is VERY important for concert bluerays,my main use of mine by far.Would I spend 15k on a center,amp and speaker cable again....not a chance in hell.Live and learn.🤘That money could buy me a 555DR,or a Chord Dave today.
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I went for the Contour SCX Center with the C2's it worked out much better than the Confidence Center, which worked out very well when I had the C4's.. For Dolby Atmos, a Center is a must in my opinion. Most impressive sound format that I have ever heard to date, makes me gravitate back towards music concerts and good movies again.

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Can’t bting myself to get the Contour center since most of my time is spent with music and not movies. Ibgjinknit fits in nicely. Looks bigger in person than in the pic.
X24 is just too small. X28 would fit much better.
The price difference between them is not big.

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Can’t bting myself to get the Contour center since most of my time is spent with music and not movies. Ibgjinknit fits in nicely. Looks bigger in person than in the pic.
X24 is just too small. X28 would fit much better.
The price difference between them is not big.
Too small for what? Seems to play fairly big to me. I think I saved a little cash going with x24 and in my room for my use is all I will need. Plus the pic does make it look smaller than it really is.

No concert Bluray’s for me. If I do if will be in stereo. 555PS upgrade is on my list of possible upgrades for next year.
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Too small for what? Seems to play fairly big to me. I think I saved a little cash going with x24 and in my room for my use is all I will need. Plus the pic does make it look smaller than it really is.

No concert Bluray’s for me. If I do if will be in stereo. 555PS upgrade is on my list of possible upgrades for next year.
Upgrade to a 555DR eh?....funny,last year when I mentioned this,you said it was WAY over the top.

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Interesting to see Audio Advisor now has Dynaudio... Typically they get a call to move old inventory......

https://www.audioadvisor.com/ssearch...earch=Dynaudio
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Too small for what? Seems to play fairly big to me. I think I saved a little cash going with x24 and in my room for my use is all I will need. Plus the pic does make it look smaller than it really is.

No concert Bluray’s for me. If I do if will be in stereo. 555PS upgrade is on my list of possible upgrades for next year.
Upgrade to a 555DR eh?....funny,last year when I mentioned this,you said it was WAY over the top.[IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/IMG]
I always reserve the right to change my mind. Lol
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Ya bud,I does not help reading the Naim Forum...kind of makes you feel like you are really missing out with a lowly XPSDR.
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I own a pair of Focus 600 XD’s.

Does anyone know if the Focus XD’s built-in DAC is compatible with the MQA format?

I’m interested in streaming Tidal MQA files. I haven’t found MQA referenced in any of the Focus XD literature.

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I own a pair of Focus 600 XD’s.

Does anyone know if the Focus XD’s built-in DAC is compatible with the MQA format?

I’m interested in streaming Tidal MQA files. I haven’t found MQA referenced in any of the Focus XD literature.

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I own the XD 600’s too,but do not use Tidal.Cant you just send an MQA file,and see if it plays?What is your streamer?Are you wired,or using the Connect Hub?

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I own a pair of Focus 600 XD’s.

Does anyone know if the Focus XD’s built-in DAC is compatible with the MQA format?

I’m interested in streaming Tidal MQA files. I haven’t found MQA referenced in any of the Focus XD literature.

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Dynaudio is not listed as an "MQA partner" on their website. Your Focus 600 XD's will play an MQA file, but you wouldn't get even the "first unfold" of it. It would play perhaps a wee bit different than a regular Redbook CD format file. The only way you could get the full unfold would be with something like a Bluesound Node or Mytek Brooklyn DAC/Streamer and use it's analog outputs to something like the Hub or Connect that can take the analog signal and convert back to digital for the speaker inputs.


Probably not worth the bother...or the expense.

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https://www.audioadvisor.com/ssearch...earch=Dynaudio
So I've been slowly piecing together my Excite surround system. I have a pair of X18's I've been using for 2.1. I recently snagged a pair of X14's at a good price. As of now, I'm just a center channel away.

But, these closeouts are forcing a decision: Grab an excite center while I can, or hold out for more info on these new "Evokes"?

I'm guessing there will still be plenty of Excites available by the time the new line is unveiled but it still makes me kinda nervous.

Besides, I might need to start selling off my Excites to help fund the latest and greatest if they look promising (and affordable)...
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I own a pair of Focus 600 XD’s.

Does anyone know if the Focus XD’s built-in DAC is compatible with the MQA format?

I’m interested in streaming Tidal MQA files. I haven’t found MQA referenced in any of the Focus XD literature.

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Dynaudio is not listed as an "MQA partner" on their website. Your Focus 600 XD's will play an MQA file, but you wouldn't get even the "first unfold" of it. It would play perhaps a wee bit different than a regular Redbook CD format file. The only way you could get the full unfold would be with something like a Bluesound Node or Mytek Brooklyn DAC/Streamer and use it's analog outputs to something like the Hub or Connect that can take the analog signal and convert back to digital for the speaker inputs.


Probably not worth the bother...or the expense.
Tidal desktop app (on computer) will decode MQA to max 24/96. That has the potential to be quite a bit better then “normal” quality.
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So I've been slowly piecing together my Excite surround system. I have a pair of X18's I've been using for 2.1. I recently snagged a pair of X14's at a good price. As of now, I'm just a center channel away.

But, these closeouts are forcing a decision: Grab an excite center while I can, or hold out for more info on these new "Evokes"?

I'm guessing there will still be plenty of Excites available by the time the new line is unveiled but it still makes me kinda nervous.

Besides, I might need to start selling off my Excites to help fund the latest and greatest if they look promising (and affordable)...
I'd just grab the center now if you really want to go 5.1.

Judging from Dynaudio past, the new Evoke will be just another incremental upgrade with the same drivers. It's most likely not going to be worth all the trouble of selling your current setup and spending a bunch more money for a small shot at a perceived improvement. At the lower level, the "latest and greatest" is rarely ever that much better than the past.

It'll always be the cheapest option to save up for what you really want, instead of small incremental upgrades over and over. If you really want a noticeable improvement, I'd start saving for a Special 40 or Contour front end. That is where the upgrades will be more apparent.

Keep in mind that center channels rarely hold their value; so buy at a good price and make sure what you are buying is what you really want.

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Hopefully someone can help me calculate whether my new receiver will be capable driving the Dynaudio Emit M20 speakers next to my center speaker.

I mostly listen on normal/low volume (watching series or listening to music in background) but occasionally I really enjoy turning the volume up for music or perhaps specific movies.



This is the situation. I have used multiple online calculators to determine whether the Yamaha RX-S602 can drive these speakers well enough but the calculators have a ridiculous output (like 1400 watt). I am not sure what Yamaha values I should look at, as I understand, only Rated Output 1kHz and ignore the rest?


Receiver: Yamaha RX-S602
Channels: 5.1
Rated Output Power (1kHz, 1ch driven): 95 W (6 ohms, 0.9% THD)
Rated Output Power (20Hz-20kHz, 2ch driven): 60 W (6 ohms, 0.09% THD)
Maximum Effective Output Power (1kHz, 1ch driven) (JEITA): 125 W (6 ohms, 10% THD)
Dynamic Power per Channel (8/6/4/2 ohms): 90 / 110 / 140 / 160 W

Center speaker: Dali Zensor Vokal
Sensitivity (2,83V / 1m): 88.5 dB
Nominal Impedance: 6 Ohms
Maximum SPL: 109 dB
Recommended Amplifier Power: 30 - 120 W (according to Dali website)

Stereo speakers: 2x Dynaudio Emit M20
Sensitivity (2,83V / 1m): 86 dB
IEC Power Handling: 150W
Impedance: 4 Ohms


If the M20 would not be a good fit, I will pick the M10 (since they are just 4 Ohm).


If I add a subwoofer it will be an active one. If I add surround speakers, they will be wireless (this receiver supports using the wireless Musiccast 20 speakers as surround speakers instead of multiroom). So I do not need to take into account a subwoofer or surround speakers.

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Hopefully someone can help me calculate whether my new receiver will be capable driving the Dynaudio Emit M20 speakers next to my center speaker.

I mostly listen on normal/low volume (watching series or listening to music in background) but occasionally I really enjoy turning the volume up for music or perhaps specific movies.



This is the situation. I have used multiple online calculators to determine whether the Yamaha RX-S602 can drive these speakers well enough but the calculators have a ridiculous output (like 1400 watt). I am not sure what Yamaha values I should look at, as I understand, only Rated Output 1kHz and ignore the rest?


Receiver: Yamaha RX-S602
Channels: 5.1
Rated Output Power (1kHz, 1ch driven): 95 W (6 ohms, 0.9% THD)
Rated Output Power (20Hz-20kHz, 2ch driven): 60 W (6 ohms, 0.09% THD)
Maximum Effective Output Power (1kHz, 1ch driven) (JEITA): 125 W (6 ohms, 10% THD)
Dynamic Power per Channel (8/6/4/2 ohms): 90 / 110 / 140 / 160 W

Center speaker: Dali Zensor Vokal
Sensitivity (2,83V / 1m): 88.5 dB
Nominal Impedance: 6 Ohms
Maximum SPL: 109 dB
Recommended Amplifier Power: 30 - 120 W (according to Dali website)

Stereo speakers: 2x Dynaudio Emit M20
Sensitivity (2,83V / 1m): 86 dB
IEC Power Handling: 150W
Impedance: 4 Ohms


If the M20 would not be a good fit, I will pick the M10 (since they are just 4 Ohm).


If I add a subwoofer it will be an active one. If I add surround speakers, they will be wireless (this receiver supports using the wireless Musiccast 20 speakers as surround speakers instead of multiroom). So I do not need to take into account a subwoofer or surround speakers.
First I'm sure you know you really can't have too much power. Most damage is caused by using an under powered amp at high listening levels causing the amp to clip.

Maximum Effective Output Power (1kHz, 1ch driven) (JEITA): 125 W (6 ohms, 10% THD)
Note THD doesn't mean clipping but as from your list you see how the THD increases as you push it.

That said specs to me mean very little. I drove C1's and C1 Sigs with a 70W Octave with great success. Later I had the opportunity to upgrade to the V110. The only difference I noticed was a slightly better 'control' of the music and all listening levels. My friend drove C4 Sig's with an 80W Octave and the C4's sounded great. So to me the 'watts' are pretty meaningless. What you should be looking for is high current reserves (good luck finding those 'specs').

So IMO go for the M20's. Even if you were to decide on the M10's if pushed into clipping you could possibly damage the speaker. Dyn makes some pretty solid drivers.
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