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Is the walnut finish done guys? It seems there are some decent deals going on in this finish on Contour. Is this due to closeout of that finish?
They are still using Walnut finish on the newer Evoke, I don't think it's going away. Otto could chime in and let you know as he would be the direct contact for that specific answer.

I should have a pair of Contour 20s in Grey Oak here by Friday, I couldn't wait for the Confidence 20's, plus their price point isn't that appealing anymore. I am extremely happy they decided to keep all the finishes the same price in the Contour lineup, instead of an up-charging, I went with the Grey Oak finish and the Silver stand, should look great in new room. I may eventually sell my Confidence C2 Platinums down the road but after listening to them tonight in the new room that was finally done properly, all I can say is WOW! I haven't had time to just sit down and calmly listen to some good music, going to sign up for Quboz next and give the NAD M10 a whirl with the Contour 20 and Confidence C2's as well to see how it preforms as all around device.

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They are still using Walnut finish on the newer Evoke, I don't think it's going away. Otto could chime in and let you know as he would be the direct contact for that specific answer.



I should have a pair of Contour 20s in Grey Oak here by Friday, I couldn't wait for the Confidence 20's, plus their price point isn't that appealing anymore. I am extremely happy they decided to keep all the finishes the same price in the Contour lineup, instead of an up-charging, I went with the Grey Oak finish and the Silver stand, should look great in new room. I may eventually sell my Confidence C2 Platinums down the road but after listening to them tonight in the new room that was finally done properly, all I can say is WOW! I haven't had time to just sit down and calmly listen to some good music, going to sign up for Quboz next and give the NAD M10 a whirl with the Contour 20 and Confidence C2's as well to see how it preforms as all around device.


Congrats on the c20s Gar. It truly is a remarkable speaker for the $$$.


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Well, I needed a decent monitor I can basically move anywhere with, and you just can't beat the price point of the Contour 20's with that beautiful finish, I think my wife will be drooling more than I once I get them setup.

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Well, I needed a decent monitor I can basically move anywhere with, and you just can't beat the price point of the Contour 20's with that beautiful finish, I think my wife will be drooling more than I once I get them setup.

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They are still using Walnut finish on the newer Evoke, I don't think it's going away. Otto could chime in and let you know as he would be the direct contact for that specific answer.

I should have a pair of Contour 20s in Grey Oak here by Friday, I couldn't wait for the Confidence 20's, plus their price point isn't that appealing anymore. I am extremely happy they decided to keep all the finishes the same price in the Contour lineup, instead of an up-charging, I went with the Grey Oak finish and the Silver stand, should look great in new room. I may eventually sell my Confidence C2 Platinums down the road but after listening to them tonight in the new room that was finally done properly, all I can say is WOW! I haven't had time to just sit down and calmly listen to some good music, going to sign up for Quboz next and give the NAD M10 a whirl with the Contour 20 and Confidence C2's as well to see how it preforms as all around device.
Congrats on the C20’s Garman, are they brand new, or a trade in? Are you going to do a side by side with the S 40’s, or are they part of the deal? When you move to a smaller place, you could always trade the C2’s on one of George’s power cords.,just kidding George,I know it is worth it to you,that’s all that’s matters.

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Congrats on the C20’s Garman, are they brand new, or a trade in? Are you going to do a side by side with the S 40’s, or are they part of the deal? When you move to a smaller place, you could always trade the C2’s on one of George’s power cords.,just kidding George,I know it is worth it to you,that’s all that’s matters.
LOL! You can't take this stuff with you, my hobby is changing from getting back into shape and paying for kids colleges, than buying new gear... This will be my last speaker purchase for some time, unless another member buys my Confidence Platinum C2's, but after hearing them tonight that might not happen for some time, the room I built sure makes anything sound even better. The smaller place is at least 5-8 years away, just hoping to get my High School Freshmen a Athletic and or Academic scholarship as he is running the mile at 4:37 pace and just missed out at State Track meet by 1 second, this could ease my pocket book, next on my agenda becoming 3 car family soon enough!

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Congrats on the C20! I also think it’s a great speaker. If I wouldn’t have gotten a deal on c30 I would have been happy for a while with them. Curious how they stack up to C2. I’m sure C2 has more low end but everything else.

As far as walnut going away in Contoud range I believe it is. Someone posted a price list and walnut and ivory oak was gone.
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I should have a pair of Contour 20s in Grey Oak here by Friday, I couldn't wait for the Confidence 20's, plus their price point isn't that appealing anymore. I am extremely happy they decided to keep all the finishes the same price in the Contour lineup, instead of an up-charging, I went with the Grey Oak finish and the Silver stand, should look great in new room.
Congratulations on the new addition. I'm interested to hear your opinions on how they compare to your C2's. Of course, overall scale will be affected a bit, but the other aspects of how they differ will be interesting to hear. I know many dealers/salesman who sold off their C1's and upgraded to the Contour 20's when they first released, so I'm wondering if you'll prefer the new Contour sound over the C2's overall.

I've never seen the grey oak on silver stands. I'm interested to see how they look.
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Since adding my new switch (2960), I have only been using my Sopra’s to test it.Today I used the XD600’s, and I also hear I nice upgrade with those too.I had the “treble” switch on the back set at zero up until now,I decided to bump it up to +1.0 DB today, and man, with the new switch and the DB bump...the 600’s have never sounded better.I would say it is equal to the last firmware upgrade Dyn did, outstanding.
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Since adding my new switch (2960), I have only been using my Sopra’s to test it.Today I used the XD600’s, and I also hear I nice upgrade with those too.I had the “treble” switch on the back set at zero up until now,I decided to bump it up to +1.0 DB today, and man, with the new switch and the DB bump...the 600’s have never sounded better.I would say it is equal to the last firmware upgrade Dyn did, outstanding.
My 2960s are due to arrive tomorrow (I'm installing two).

I'm also feeling pretty confident about getting the Naim NDX2. I came home from work today to find my wife painting a bedroom. While, working on that she pulled up the Roon app on her iPhone and was blasting rock and jazz on the system for background music. In the 24 years we've been married she has never, ever used the hifi system on her own. This is a game changer for her.
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My 2960s are due to arrive tomorrow (I'm installing two).

I'm also feeling pretty confident about getting the Naim DNX2. I came home from work today to find my wife painting a bedroom. While, working on that she pulled up the Roon app on her iPhone and was blasting rock and jazz on the system for background music. In the 24 years we've been married she has never, ever used the hifi system on her own. This is a game changer for her.
I hope you hear the improvement I am, for the money...well worth trying.Mine seems a little better today also, who knows how long it was out of use.It actually looks brand new.I just hooked up all the Ethernet cables first, then plugged it in. It took about 10-15 minutes to cycle through whatever it was doing.I restarted my Core, chose UPNP on my NDS, and it played right away when I selected a song.
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I hope you hear the improvement I am, for the money...well worth trying.Mine seems a little better today also, who knows how long it was out of use.It actually looks brand new.I just hooked up all the Ethernet cables first, then plugged it in. It took about 10-15 minutes to cycle through whatever it was doing.I restarted my Core, chose UPNP on my NDS, and it played right away when I selected a song.
With it fully running, all the little lights are green on it.
Did you do a factory reset on it.

I'll be happy just to get better network reliability. The switches I have are cheap unmanaged switches and they can be a bit flakey at times. It doesn't matter for everything else so much but I don't want the NDX2 constantly requesting retransmission of packets. That can make the NIC is has operate with a bit more noise if it's working harder than it needs to be.

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Did you do a factory reset on it.

I'll be happy just top get better network reliability. The switches I have a cheap unmanaged switches and they can be a bit flakey at times. It doesn't matter fpor everything else so much but I don't want the NDX2 constantly requesting retransmission of packets. That can make the NIC is has operate with a bit more noise if it's working harder than it needs to be.
No reset was needed, just plugged it all in and it worked.

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No reset was needed, just plugged it all in and it worked.


I know this is off topic, but I wonder how old the ios is on the switches. I got two today and I ended up upgrading the ios running a depreciated version to the latest 15. Since I configure networks for a living I fully configured them. So far so good. Also going to try 2 Supra Cat 8 Ethernet cables. One for the ND5XS2 and the other for the Unity Core. Only playing at low volume right now (kids still have school for another week).

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I know this is off topic, but I wonder how old the ios is on the switches. I got two today and I ended up upgrading the ios running a depreciated version to the latest 15. Since I configure networks for a living I fully configured them. So far so good. Also going to try 2 Supra Cat 8 Ethernet cables. One for the ND5XS2 and the other for the Unity Core. Only playing at low volume right now (kids still have school for another week).

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I know this is off topic, but I wonder how old the ios is on the switches. I got two today and I ended up upgrading the ios running a depreciated version to the latest 15. Since I configure networks for a living I fully configured them. So far so good. Also going to try 2 Supra Cat 8 Ethernet cables. One for the ND5XS2 and the other for the Unity Core. Only playing at low volume right now (kids still have school for another week).

If ya all need help loading the latest os from Cisco and a basic config to get things going give me a shout. Always willing to help.


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Thanks for the offer, but I doubt I will mess with mine, since it works really well so far.Out of curiosity though, could upgrading the IOS make it sound better in some way? The Naim Forum networking expert (Simon in Suffolk) is the guy who originally recommended these switches, and he says Cat5e is all that is needed.I think he designs switches, or networks, or something like that. Anyway, he is very knowledgeable on these things, so I trust his input. Hopefully you will get a chance to do some serious listening soon, see what you think.

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Thanks for the offer, but I doubt I will mess with mine, since it works really well so far.Out of curiosity though, could upgrading the IOS make it sound better in some way? The Naim Forum networking expert (Simon in Suffolk) is the guy who originally recommended these switches, and he says Cat5e is all that is needed.I think he designs switches, or networks, or something like that. Anyway, he is very knowledgeable on these things, so I trust his input. Hopefully you will get a chance to do some serious listening soon, see what you think.


I don’t know about improving SQ. But OS updates are usually to fix bugs, memory leaks etc. so I guess it might if nothing else stabilize performance.

Once I get the Cat8 cables it will be fun to do a blind test with my wife. That way I can get an U.N. biased opinion.

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I don’t know about improving SQ. But OS updates are usually to fix bugs, memory leaks etc. so I guess it might if nothing else stabilize performance.

Once I get the Cat8 cables it will be fun to do a blind test with my wife. That way I can get an U.N. biased opinion.

Contour 30s finally starting to come around after the sound good, sound like s*%t, sound better stages. Also still trying to break in the Ansuz X Din5 to Din5 cable. Probably at around 120-150 hours now.


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I might hit you up for some advice on configuration. In addition to streaming, I use my network heavily to VPN to my client enterprise network when I work from home (3 days/week), and I don't do it just for email, etc. I'm a software engineer – so engineering, and not IT – and I'm using a development toolchain hosted on their network.

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I might hit you up for some advice on configuration. In addition, I use this network to VPN to my client enterprise network when I work from home, and I don't do it just for email, etc. I'm a software engineer – so engineering, and not IT – and I'm using a development toolchain hosted on their network.


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Did they give you the Blue console cable? You’ll need that in order to default it, assign IP address, upgrade, etc. it has a 9pin to rj45 so make sure you have a pc that has a serial or serial to usb. Be glad to help. Config is rather simple. Just a few tweaks to bring the ports up faster, spanning tree and such.


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Did they give you the Blue console cable? You’ll need that in order to default it, assign IP address, upgrade, etc. it has a 9pin to rj45 so make sure you have a pc that has a serial or serial to usb. Be glad to help. Config is rather simple. Just a few tweaks to bring the ports up faster, spanning tree and such.


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We'll see if the cable is included. I won't receive them until Monday. I only use Macs at home. My only PC is a client provided machine but it's locked down tighter than the chastity belt of a Mediaeval crusader's wife, so I can't use that for configuration. Is their a web interface for configuration, or a REST API?


No. It’s command line driven. You’ll need a free tftp server, putty and the cable. My creds will get me into Cisco for the software.


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My Mac is unix so I already have tftp, ssh, telnet, etc. Looks like the cable will be the hard part.

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My switch came with the box only, no cables at all. I suppose the ones that cost a little more might have the cables.

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Nah. They all originally come with one. I know it’s not a lot of money for the refurbished switch. I probably have 10 laying around between my house and the office so if ya need one PP me the postage and I’ll get one to ya.


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Nah. They all originally come with one. I know it’s not a lot of money for the refurbished switch. I probably have 10 laying around between my house and the office so if ya need one PP me the postage and I’ll get one to ya.


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I realize the new ones have all the cables,I just mean that guys asking a bit more for used ones might have all the cables included. I wonder if your Contours are sounding better today because of the switch?

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I realize the new ones have all the cables,I just mean that guys asking a bit more for used ones might have all the cables included. I wonder if your Contours are sounding better today because of the switch?


I think it maybe the 4 beers I had earlier. But who knows.


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In all fairness I do think the switch is helping a bit. Keep in mind I run the Ansuz foundation so my noise floor is already black. Not George black but close.


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https://www.hificritic.com/uploads/2...cisco_2961.pdf

If anyone is wondering what we are babbling on about,this is one article in particular that got me interested in the 2960 switch...since he has an NDS and. Core like me,that is the exact same switch I now use in the photo. He also talks about the benefit of isolating the switch on Fraim shelf,and I have an empty one.

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Just getting in my first listen after a long day yesterday didn't allow me to do more than get them on the stands. So far, wonderful. Even if the positioning isn’t correct. More impressions to come but the separation of instruments and sound stage was even noticed by my 10 yo daughter. I hope to sit down with her this weekend and dig in to some Billie Eilish.

Update: 2 hours into listening, the soundstage is fantastic and the sound is effortless. Low volume level detail is very good, requires less volume to catch all the details. The cabinets just disappear and the tweeter and mid/bass operate as a single point source. Got to love that 1st order crossover. I have disconnected my subwoofer and do not want for anything but the lowest octave when listening to electronica (Massive Attack) or large orchestral works with organ/timpani. I am quite pleased, if the ear to ear grin on my face does not give it away. Additional bonus, the wife appreciates the improvement as well and even conceded that they are not as ugly in person (in our living room) as she thought they were from photos.

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OMG, that guy's prose is really painful to read. It's hard to figure out what he's trying to communicate half the time. Apparently, that rag has no competent editors.

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