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Never felt the need to add a sub for 2 channel in my room. It got plenty low.


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Is that sub for HT?

You’re using a SN2?

What made you want to switch to C30?
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Is that sub for HT?



You’re using a SN2?



What made you want to switch to C30?


Bigger is better, right? I came from the Focus 260s so after spending some time with the 20s I decided I would go back to floor standers.

Yes, SN2 with a HiCap DR. Streamer is a ND5XS2 with a Unity Core.

Subs (Dual 18s) are only for HT


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Is that sub for HT?



You’re using a SN2?



What made you want to switch to C30?


Bigger is better, right? I came from the Focus 260s so after spending some time with the 20s I decided I would go back to floor standers.

Yes, SN2 with a HiCap DR. Streamer is a ND5XS2 with a Unity Core.

Subs (Dual 18s) are only for HT


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How would you compare 260 to C20?
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How would you compare 260 to C20?

I still feel the c20 is a step up over the 260. Especially in the mids and highs. I’ve always said the 20s are a stand mount fooorstander.


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The problem with comparing speaker sound is that people have their own ideas of what type of sound they like.
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Bigger is better, right? I came from the Focus 260s so after spending some time with the 20s I decided I would go back to floor standers.

Yes, SN2 with a HiCap DR. Streamer is a ND5XS2 with a Unity Core.

Subs (Dual 18s) are only for HT


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So like you, going from 260s to 20s, the presentation seems (so far) very different. There’s pluses and minuses both ways. Just trying to see where I’m at... or my expectations anyways.
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I’m gonna wait until I feel the C20s are broken in completely and once they’re in the new room and I’m use to both the room and speakers before I give a full “review” of them.

In the meantime, for those that own C20s, what’s your speaker positioning like? Distance from back walls, side walls, seated position distance and height? Room size? Toe-in or none?

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Adding a Rel sub with the high level connection made a pretty significant improvement in the sense of scale.

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Adding a Rel sub with the high level connection made a pretty significant improvement in the sense of scale.


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I don’t know of many monitors that don’t sound improved with a quality sub. Personal preference I guess.

I’m a believer in break-in to a point, but again, I’ll know in a half hour of favorite and familiar songs if a speaker is going to cut it to me. Then you can move on to fine tuning of speaker adjustment and tweaking set-up.

The Contour is an interesting and nice speaker to me. It does no wrong but I’ve always felt the 40 is more fun and engaging from what I’ve heard. One I listen to and seem to dissect. One I seem to tap my toes too,

But a very nice monitor none the less.
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I run a pair of REL subs with my C2s, and leave them on all the time. It sounds better for everything, from solo lute music to large scale orchestral music. I didn't even consider not using them when I sold my S3.4s and upgraded to the C2s.

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I use my 18" Dayton sub 99.9% of the time when listening to music with my c4s running full range. My listening room is in an open floor plan house and i may be a closet basshead.
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I use my 18" Dayton sub 99.9% of the time when listening to music with my c4s running full range. My listening room is in an open floor plan house and i may be a closet basshead.
Wow, I rarely ever use my subs with the C4's unless I really want to shake the walls! I was pleasantly surprised with how much bass the C4's can put out with the correct music.
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Wow, I rarely ever use my subs with the C4's unless I really want to shake the walls! I was pleasantly surprised with how much bass the C4's can put out with the correct music.
That's nowhere near the point for me integrating subs with my C2s. I do it for bass extension, not bass weight. Even with music you wouldn't think has much bass, the extension helps with imaging and mid-range texture.

My wife heard a difference when I played her the Bach Solo Violin Sonatas and Partitas. I turned the sub off (had one at the time) while she was enjoying the music, and she said the soundstage dropped out and the violin lost some of its woody texture. She didn't even know I had turned the sub off, but she knew something went wrong. That's how I got her blessing to buy the first sub.

I wasn't aware C4s need "correct music." What might that be?
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Anyone using Roon for their digital library? I have been and it's been a game changer for me, especially with the Qobuz integration. Up to now I've been running it on a 2012 Mac Mini i7 with a Samsung EVO SSD. However it is an older computer and it's not a dedicated music server, with other stuff running on it as part of macOS.

Today I bought an Intel NUC with a Gen 8 Quad Core i7. I am installing a Samsung 970 EVO 250GB NVMe M.2 SSD and 8 GB DDR4 RAM (which arrives tomorrow), which I'll use to run Roon ROCK. My Mac Mini has a 1 TB Samsung EVO. I'll migrate that over to the NUC for storage of my library of 16- and 24-bit FLAC audio files.

I've been running the Mac Mini with Roon in my home office and connecting to my NDX2 via a pair of Cisco routers (one in the office, one in the listening room). I might move the NUC into the listening room, put it on the same router with the NDX2 and see if that makes any difference. It would take a 100' length of Cat 6 cable out of the equation. First I'll see how much the fan on the NUC runs after all the FLAC files are migrated over and the database/index updates complete.

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That's nowhere near the point for me integrating subs with my C2s. I do it for bass extension, not bass weight. Even with music you wouldn't think has much bass, the extension helps with imaging and mid-range texture.

My wife heard a difference when I played her the Bach Solo Violin Sonatas and Partitas. I turned the sub off (had one at the time) while she was enjoying the music, and she said the soundstage dropped out and the violin lost some of its woody texture. She didn't even know I had turned the sub off, but she knew something went wrong. That's how I got her blessing to buy the first sub.

I wasn't aware C4s need "correct music." What might that be?
I guess correct music isn't the best term, mainly meaning music that has a larger bass presence such as The Firebird etc...
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I guess correct music isn't the best term, mainly meaning music that has a larger bass presence such as The Firebird etc...
Understood. My two RELs enhance the experience of my C2s for everything. I can't see ever turning them off: they disappear into the room.

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Interesting enough, out of the 19,000+ tracks I have on random, The Firebird just came on!
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Interesting enough, out of the 19,000+ tracks I have on random, The Firebird just came on!
I'm listening to Anouar Brahem Trio Astrakan Café. Oud, clarinet and Turkish percussion. Excellent. And the subs are on.

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Well, that usually how it works! You listen to a bunch of speaker at a dealer/show in your home is the best way and you make that determination on what you like. I have compared and pretty much owned every Dynaudio speaker since the 90's with the exception of the Evidence line, so I know what I like and I have compared them to dozens of other manufactures over the years. But hey, that's my opinion of what I like.

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Wow, I rarely ever use my subs with the C4's unless I really want to shake the walls! I was pleasantly surprised with how much bass the C4's can put out with the correct music.
Yeah they have really great low end by themselves, quality and quantity. In my last house I dont think I would ever use a sub. They are in the living room in the new house which has 15ft ceiling and basically opens up to the whole house volume. Sort of ironic but where I really appreciate the sub is for listening at lower levels. I dont think there is much of a concept for accuracy of a rock concert at 75 dB anyways, and I appreciate a bit of exaggerated punch at low volumes.

FWIW I had a pretty good time putting the DIY kit from parts express for the dayton. I will probably do another to even out the response a bit, eventually, Its clear my house cannot take its full output, at least not with any pictures on the wall. I have it turned down pretty low I think. Need to break out REW to find out.
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I wonder how Eduardo made out with his XD’s ?...

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I’ll help Bri g this thread some life .......LOL

Brought home the Contour 20s just over a week ago (9 days exactly), this is the 4th pair of Dynaudio speakers I have owned. Plus my DM2/6 surrounds, X22C and 210C if those should be counted as well. My Excite X16s seemed great from start turned bright for a few days but smoothed out to finish super smooth after a couple days - these remained with me for a little over 3 yrs. Trade-in for the Focus 160s seemed to get bright and stay that way. Only kept them about a year and traded in for Focus 260s which stayed with me for 5 years, another speaker that was great start to finish. These Contour 20s.... have sounded like an upside down U, the bass was non-existent and I felt like they played with almost NO volume. I had to check the speaker cables to make sure they were plugged in correctly and not out of phase. After 3 days, approx 5-6 hours, I asked Tyler if my amp is incapable or if these things need to really break in. I mean my tiny surrounds (DM2/6s) had more volume and bass when I hooked them up. He said they’re a little inefficient, well I turned the amp to the point where with my previous 260s and DMs I’d be blasted out of the room just to get to any kind of regular listening level from the 20s. I regretted buying these speakers. I really did and now I couldn’t get my 260s back. So I was stuck and not happy after 3 days. So I ended up putting my ear to the port hole and I could hear very good bass going on inside the speakers... ok let’s change positions, so let’s ask you guys. Finally found a spot where they started to sound ok (10-12 hrs now). Put the Marantz into stereo mode and told the kids to play Xbox all day (such a great dad! lol). Let’s say 8-10 hours... I got home... completely different speaker. So I said kids I’m gonna play music (that came with complaints) but now... I do not have to crank to 55 on the digital dial, I am at 45, I have volume and bass. Say 25-30 hours and 5-6 days in my possession? They’ve sounded so much better since. Like the other Dynaudio speakers I’ve owned over the past 10 years. I mean even my wife said at one point, “these look a way nicer but they sound like *****” so I know it wasn’t just me. She even said, can’t you get your thing and do that annoying calibration. Well no because we’re in the midst of moving and that’s packed away. And let me tell you when your wife says they sound like poop, your heart sinks!

I’ll compare to the 260 at a later date.

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First of all any type of Dynaudio speaker has always sounded good too great too me, anytime I have had an issue with them sounding like crap, some thing was usually wrong with them. Example the Xeo 2, right out of the box they sounded bright a few days later they quit working and I sent them back and they sent me a new pair and we where in business again. But to me, they just didn't cut it and I gave them a few months and about 300 hours and just never thought they where up to speed to my liking. I always hear the word better used on forums, but it should be re-phrased to "Better for Me" or different. I had Dynaudio in the past that just didn't sound good to my "Ears" Contour 3.0 and Contour 2.8, no bass.. Great highs but no lows. The Contour 20 is a monitor that is most like my C2 Platinums, which I love and right out of the box they sounded decent to my ears, mine right now are only being broken in with a NAD M10 which is pretty darn good, and I could easily see myself living with this system down the road in a much smaller home and or condo, which is about 10 years off. 50 now, and thankfully my hearing is darn good, I just know when to turn it off like this morning when wife wakes up yelling about everything she can't control. LOL Hence it's why I am in the basement listening to music in a sound proof room!

I would first off stick with what you like, some times switching isn't always the best thing to do, if you loved the 260 so much and they are a mighty fine speaker, I would have had them side by side for a few weeks and or a months before I would committed to sell them off. Some times you know right away other times it takes quite awhile to make that determination. I only had the S40 and Contour 20s next to each other for a few days, but that's all it took for me before I knew what I wanted. Bass was tighter, and more defined and highs are better on the Contour 20s than the S40, but the S40 was equally as good with the exceptions mentioned and better for a smaller space. Some times you just have the urge to change and some times when you take that leap, your not always pleased with the out come. In this case for me, I am extremely pleased as the Contour 20 is the closet monitor to my Confidence C2, even more so than the 3 pairs of C1's I have had over the years. Some speakers like I said take much longer during that break in phase, some you will notice right away, anytime I change I try to keep both pairs around to compare before I sell a pair off, I might do this will the Confidence 20 down the road, but that could be a few more years, so I will definitely enjoy these for now. I should note going from a good floor stander to a monitor can be pretty drastic at times, the stands that Dynaudio makes, sure makes them sound more like floor standers, I did initially put them on a pair of other stands and they didn't sound as good, but that changed when I used their stands.

The Dynaudio speakers I have had that I didn't keep long where, and it wasn't because I didn't like them, I just didn't like them as much as they where different, to what I was use too.
1.) Contour 2.8s
2.) Contour t2.5
3.) Contour 3.0
Any of the DM series, just got too used to Contour and above they never sounded as good and the same went for the Excite series for "Me"

Usually I take any reviews with a grain of salt, and some times I agree with them, other times I am like "What the Hell Were They Thinking!" in the case of the new Contour 20's to me they are spot on:

https://www.whathifi.com/us/reviews/...tour-20-review

http://www.the-ear.net/review-hardwa...t-loudspeakers

My suggestion is if you're moving and you get a chance to build your own room, then build it to make anything sound good. Aaron "Border Dog" suggested this before to me, and another sound Engineer at ETC I know and its the best thing I have ever done.

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Contour 20s need a proper amp. . I’m feeding them 450 watts and crap load of current. Nothing is missing but I have a hunch the Confidence 20 is even more resolving and natural sounding.

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I think your C20's need to be broken in more (by a lot). I'd just leave them running 24/7 for the next couple weeks even if it's at lower volume. I've heard a well broken in pair of C20's on a Moon integrated that blew me away...

On another note, I finally got to hear the Evoke 20's yesterday. They were being powered by a NAD M10. They were quite impressive, very similar to the S40's, not quite as refined and a little more in your face but not in a bad way. I'd really like to hear them back to back but for the $$$ they are quite impressive.
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Brought home the Contour 20s just over a week ago (9 days exactly), this is the 4th pair of Dynaudio speakers I have owned. Plus my DM2/6 surrounds, X22C and 210C if those should be counted as well. My Excite X16s seemed great from start turned bright for a few days but smoothed out to finish super smooth after a couple days - these remained with me for a little over 3 yrs. Trade-in for the Focus 160s seemed to get bright and stay that way. Only kept them about a year and traded in for Focus 260s which stayed with me for 5 years, another speaker that was great start to finish. These Contour 20s.... have sounded like an upside down U, the bass was non-existent and I felt like they played with almost NO volume. I had to check the speaker cables to make sure they were plugged in correctly and not out of phase. After 3 days, approx 5-6 hours, I asked Tyler if my amp is incapable or if these things need to really break in. I mean my tiny surrounds (DM2/6s) had more volume and bass when I hooked them up. He said they’re a little inefficient, well I turned the amp to the point where with my previous 260s and DMs I’d be blasted out of the room just to get to any kind of regular listening level from the 20s. I regretted buying these speakers. I really did and now I couldn’t get my 260s back. So I was stuck and not happy after 3 days. So I ended up putting my ear to the port hole and I could hear very good bass going on inside the speakers... ok let’s change positions, so let’s ask you guys. Finally found a spot where they started to sound ok (10-12 hrs now). Put the Marantz into stereo mode and told the kids to play Xbox all day (such a great dad! lol). Let’s say 8-10 hours... I got home... completely different speaker. So I said kids I’m gonna play music (that came with complaints) but now... I do not have to crank to 55 on the digital dial, I am at 45, I have volume and bass. Say 25-30 hours and 5-6 days in my possession? They’ve sounded so much better since. Like the other Dynaudio speakers I’ve owned over the past 10 years. I mean even my wife said at one point, “these look a way nicer but they sound like *****” so I know it wasn’t just me. She even said, can’t you get your thing and do that annoying calibration. Well no because we’re in the midst of moving and that’s packed away. And let me tell you when your wife says they sound like poop, your heart sinks!

I’ll compare to the 260 at a later date.

Remember how I commented about how the 20 almost sounded like the worse speaker Dynaudio has ever produce and that was according to the Nordost guy at the show in Montreal. Hek the guys has had many Dynadio speakers over the years and he told me be patient when you get yours 30s, It totally felt the same way when i got the 30s, hek couple hundred hours later they finally sounded as expected maybe less but 25-30 hours is a long way to go. For my part I had other speaker to compare directly from before and after break in so it was quite obvious the 30s did not sound their best. Anyhow Steve give them some time they will sound as expected maybe with less extension than the 260 but all other aspect should improve, I feel they are smoother and quite engaging with more pace than the 260.


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I find 200 or 300 required break-in or perceived break-in hours ridiculous in thought.
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I find 200 or 300 required break-in or perceived break-in hours ridiculous in thought.

Look there is always improvement in the first 100 hours with those speakers, 200 hours is just to say they finally sound their best without a doubt but OOB they do not sound good at all, quite incoherent per say.

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