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It is interesting. I was actually poking around on the Mundorf website the other day just for curiosity. My Contour 20 uses the Mundorf MCap Evo, which are apparently towards the bottom of the range. http://www.mundorf.com/en/?category=...ntent=mcap_evo

I wonder if the new Confidence uses the Supreme Oil ones. I know B&W D3 series does. The Bennic caps are super cheap.
My guess would be no. Those top of the line Mundorf caps are not only very expensive, they're also really big.

I've never swapped caps, so I don't know what I'm potentially missing out on. I've always been nervous about changing caps (or other components) in a crossover, because even if their rated capacitance is the same, their stray inductance and resistance will be different and I don't know how much that might affect the crossover tuning. Also, the speaker manufacturer may have hand selected caps out of a lot to find matching pairs or to get the precise value they're looking for. A hobbyist who buys them in sets of two is just going to get what they get.
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Speaking of new Confidence line... I don't doubt it is great, but...

Be careful of those demo's. You are listening to completely different equipment and content in a completely different room, which, if it is a proper demo room, it is almost certainly acoustically treated by professionals. That is not a meaningful comparison to your set-up at home.
Spot on post! Also when comparing speakers going off of memory doesn't serve anyone unless you have them in the same room where you can swap them out and listen to then with your own music etc.. A good room can always help matters..



Red MC: Dynaudio was mostly first order crossovers in the past and now they have changed things up a bit, which is interesting. One would think the Design of the crossover and parts could play a part but I am sure the Engineers are looking to get the most out of any speaker while keeping cost down. What I find funny is internal wiring inside a speaker isn't all that expensive but some how $10,000 speaker cables are miraculously going to make your speakers sound better!

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I ordered an Mscaler the other day to go with my TT2 DAC, should have it in about a month or so. What I am really curious about is hooking it up to my XD600’s.Normally it would connect to the TT2 with dual BNC cables, which is how I plan on using it, but it can also be connected to non Chord Dac’s with its single BNC out, or single optical out. The XD’s are limited to 192 KHz digital (RCA) input, but there is no reason I see, that I can’t upscale 44.1 CD quality to 192, and give it a try. I want to try the same with my NDS, feed the Mscaler a 44.1 file from my server (Naim Core), upscale it to 192, then input that signal to the NDS...might have to get myself a white Lab coat for all these tests. I will also be adding one of these between the Mscaler and TT2 eventually, to dive right into the rabbit hole.
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I ordered an Mscaler the other day to go with my TT2 DAC, should have it in about a month or so. What I am really curious about is hooking it up to my XD600’s.Normally it would connect to the TT2 with dual BNC cables, which is how I plan on using it, but it can also be connected to non Chord Dac’s with its single BNC out, or single optical out. The XD’s are limited to 192 KHz digital (RCA) input, but there is no reason I see, that I can’t upscale 44.1 CD quality to 192, and give it a try. I want to try the same with my NDS, feed the Mscaler a 44.1 file from my server (Naim Core), upscale it to 192, then input that signal to the NDS...might have to get myself a white Lab coat for all these tests. I will also be adding one of these between the Mscaler and TT2 eventually, to dive right into the rabbit hole.]

Very nice, the scaler is also very noticable is bass definition and control ( deeper also) and make it all more lifelike. Let us know how things work out.

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Spot on post! Also when comparing speakers going off of memory doesn't serve anyone unless you have them in the same room where you can swap them out and listen to then with your own music etc.. A good room can always help

Not really agree, a speaker demo should give you a good impression of speaker capabilities. Or lets say 90%.

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I will always wonder if one were to replace all caps, resisters, and inductors.. would the model of Dynaudio speaker that’s directly below in price/rank, would it surpass its performance? Would it even be able to be comparable to Speakers more than a one tier increase? I’ll probably never know but I will always be curious....

Also curious about what would happen if Dynaudio for once used truly entry level high range/end components on their crossovers, if it would make a difference when they are compared to other brands of speakers in similar capability and purpose.
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I will always wonder if one were to replace all caps, resisters, and inductors.. would the model of Dynaudio speaker that’s directly below in price/rank, would it surpass its performance? Would it even be able to be comparable to Speakers more than a one tier increase? I’ll probably never know but I will always be curious....

Also curious about what would happen if Dynaudio for once used truly entry level high range/end components on their crossovers, if it would make a difference when they are compared to other brands of speakers in similar capability and purpose.
Absolutely not. You are insinuating that the only thing that changes when moving up one tier is the quality of the crossover components, which isn't true. You get better drivers, for one. Are you not giving any credit to any other part of the loudspeaker design? Do you truly think that a boutique cap is going to have so much affect on the sound that it would trump any other improvement in driver design, crossover design, and cabinet? Not to mention, replacing already decent well made components in a crossover, with those that have some other intended affect or lower tolerance, isn't going to trump every other improvement you get when stepping up a tier. I think if you truly had faith in your own inquisition, you'd be spending all your money on these boutique components, buying the cheapest drivers available at Madisound, and building your own crossover and speaker cabinets to see how much these boutique caps, resistors, and inductors really matter in the grand scheme of loudspeaker design. Stepping up a tier doesn't mean you only get a boutique name brand on crossover components. Other aspects of the crossover DESIGN are also normally improved to keep a speaker in phase and time aligned.

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I will always wonder if one were to replace all caps, resisters, and inductors.. would the model of Dynaudio speaker that’s directly below in price/rank, would it surpass its performance? Would it even be able to be comparable to Speakers more than a one tier increase? I’ll probably never know but I will always be curious....



Also curious about what would happen if Dynaudio for once used truly entry level high range/end components on their crossovers, if it would make a difference when they are compared to other brands of speakers in similar capability and purpose.


additional to this it might be interesting to read about for example Audiovectors’ ( also danish) speaker upgrade path and what it takes to make the same speaker up a level.

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If i was motivated to re-engineer a crossover network, id be messing with dsp/active not caps filled with unicorn tear dielectric
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Not really agree, a speaker demo should give you a good impression of speaker capabilities. Or lets say 90%.
Demoing at a dealer and or a show, some times doesn't produce the best results... This has been a give-in for me, for many years, sure you can get a good impression of how a speaker might sound at a dealers shop, all depends on their room etc.. I have been to plenty of dealers over the years and most of them do not have good demo rooms or things setup properly, but some do. Of course a room makes more difference than any component or cables or accessory so it can play a very important role at least to me. I do agree with you, to a point but much lower on the % scale.
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Heating up new dyns
Cold out the box they already compare to C1 show:
-extended clear and fast but sweet powerfull highs
-very very deep lows yet fast
-voices crazy natural and open

so far so good..
much respect still for the good old C1's btw
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Heating up new dyns
Cold out the box they already compare to C1 show:
-extended clear and fast but sweet powerfull highs
-very very deep lows yet fast
-voices crazy natural and open

so far so good..
much respect still for the good old C1's btw
Say what?, I thought you have special 40’s? Are those Confidence 20’s, and are they in your home? I did not know you had C1’s either.

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Say what?, I thought you have special 40’s? Are those Confidence 20’s, and are they in your home? I did not know you had C1’s either.


They are lets say close.
Cf20’s, and the C1’s are looking for a new home.
Going to try the C1’s again a while and decide if S40’s or C1’s are going.

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Heating up new dyns
Cold out the box they already compare to C1 show:
-extended clear and fast but sweet powerfull highs
-very very deep lows yet fast
-voices crazy natural and open

so far so good..
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Yup, that's similar to what I've noticed. The lows are QUITE impressive for a monitor, this truly is the Evidence level monitor we've always wanted...
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Does anyone know if the Sub6 have a automatic limiter in case one were to play too loud with the sub6, like the focus XD has.

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Heating up new dyns
Cold out the box they already compare to C1 show:
-extended clear and fast but sweet powerfull highs
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so far so good..
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andrexx99: So a in home demo? I did hear the Confidence 20 come in a large Crate.. Are you in the States, as not many of the Dynaudio dealers have these yet.

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andrexx99: So a in home demo? I did hear the Confidence 20 come in a large Crate.. Are you in the States, as not many of the Dynaudio dealers have these yet.


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andrexx99: So are you in Canada or Europe? Because I heard the Confidence line is very hard to come by in the States right now.

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andrexx99: So are you in Canada or Europe? Because I heard the Confidence line is very hard to come by in the States right now.

Europe, about 3 weeks delivery depending on colour. These are my brothers’ and he ordered the Raven wood.
The cabinet is larger than C1, but if you look from upfront, the difference is less noticable.
Beside how good they sound, they look very modern and high class designed.
And they can be placed closer to walls because of bassport design.
Maybe they are a bit more expensive in US, but you get a very lot of speaker.
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Yup, that's similar to what I've noticed. The lows are QUITE impressive for a monitor, this truly is the Evidence level monitor we've always wanted...
Actually, as stated previously, the C1 was an Evidence level monitor when it was a current product. Evidence used the same drivers as Confidence, just with matched pairs. In a 2 way monitor, there isn't a need to match a pair of drivers which is why there wasn't an Evidence monitor.

So essentially, Evidence was never anything more than a larger Confidence speaker, but with matched drivers.
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It is almost like you have to put your life on hold, waiting and waiting, and waiting for the Confidence to hit the streets in North America. I put my XD’s back in action for 2 channel today, I boxed up the TT2 for a visit to my local dealers home tomorrow. He has Dave/blu2 with Contour 30’s, but wants to try my TT2 with his blu2. Also, I want to try the TT2 driving the Neat Ultimatum MF5’s I might buy directly from the TT2. He is also curious about the TT2 driving the Contour 30’s directly, should be interesting. Pretty sure the JL D110 is not for me, so I am returning it, too much bass for my apartment. Do I keep waiting and saving for Confidence 20’s?, or grab what works for me now.
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Hi guys. Wondering if I could get some info on the dynaudio special 40.

Some background on my current setup.
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Roon to Cambridge Audio cxn v2
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Benchmark hpa4
Benchmark ahb2

I auditioned the Special 40 the other day and was very impressed. Lots of depth, clarity, airiness, and such an amazing amount of bass, so much so I asked if a sub was running..

The showroom setup was rather similar to mine (small room about 3x3m, speakers about 15cm from wall, about 6 ft apart).

Some questions if I may:
S40 ok with my gear? Would play well with benchmark stack and rel sub?
S40 ok to be so close to the wall? Unfortunately that's as far as I can go.
How is the listening at low volumes?

I bought and returned the buchardt s400 because most of my listening is at lowish volumes and the S400 just sounded a bit veiled and lacking clarity, requiring higher volumes to really shine. The b&w on the other hand are quite detailed up top, so at lowish volumes I could still hear the music well, and the Rel sub made up for lack of bass.

My current options are the S40 and the Ascend Acoustics Sierra 2ex (of which I have no chance to audition, so if I go this route, it will be a crap shoot).

S40 is twice the price of 2ex. I know I won't get 2x the sound quality.. Honest opinions, anyone? As I'll be running a Rel sub, I think bass is sorted either way I go?
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Hi guys. Wondering if I could get some info on the dynaudio special 40.

Some background on my current setup.
B&W 606
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Roon to Cambridge Audio cxn v2
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Benchmark hpa4
Benchmark ahb2

I auditioned the Special 40 the other day and was very impressed. Lots of depth, clarity, airiness, and such an amazing amount of bass, so much so I asked if a sub was running..

The showroom setup was rather similar to mine (small room about 3x3m, speakers about 15cm from wall, about 6 ft apart).

Some questions if I may:
S40 ok with my gear? Would play well with benchmark stack and rel sub?
S40 ok to be so close to the wall? Unfortunately that's as far as I can go.
How is the listening at low volumes?

I bought and returned the buchardt s400 because most of my listening is at lowish volumes and the S400 just sounded a bit veiled and lacking clarity, requiring higher volumes to really shine. The b&w on the other hand are quite detailed up top, so at lowish volumes I could still hear the music well, and the Rel sub made up for lack of bass.

My current options are the S40 and the Ascend Acoustics Sierra 2ex (of which I have no chance to audition, so if I go this route, it will be a crap shoot).

S40 is twice the price of 2ex. I know I won't get 2x the sound quality.. Honest opinions, anyone? As I'll be running a Rel sub, I think bass is sorted either way I go?
I am having the same dilemma! Although if I did get the Sierra 2EXs i'd likely go with the domestic cabinets. The S400s are still on my list as well... But I too listen mostly at low volumes.

I've auditioned the DynAudio S40s here in NYC and loved what I heard, however, I am curious how close the Evoke 20s get to the S40s...The Evoke's were not available for audition.

Decisions decisions.

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I am having the same dilemma! Although if I did get the Sierra 2EXs i'd likely go with the domestic cabinets. The S400s are still on my list as well... But I too listen mostly at low volumes.



I've auditioned the DynAudio S40s here in NYC and loved what I heard, however, I am curious how close the Evoke 20s get to the S40s...The Evoke's were not available for audition.



Decisions decisions.


Audition the Evoke 30s and call it a day. The voicing on those is a really fun speaker. Great value for roughly the same $


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Audition the Evoke 30s and call it a day. The voicing on those is a really fun speaker. Great value for roughly the same $


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Thank you for the suggestion.

Will try to line up an audition!

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I auditioned the Special 40 the other day and was very impressed. Lots of depth, clarity, airiness, and such an amazing amount of bass, so much so I asked if a sub was running..

The showroom setup was rather similar to mine (small room about 3x3m, speakers about 15cm from wall, about 6 ft apart).

Some questions if I may:
S40 ok with my gear? Would play well with benchmark stack and rel sub?
S40 ok to be so close to the wall? Unfortunately that's as far as I can go.
How is the listening at low volumes?
Any speaker should be as far away from boundaries as you can get it. The closer to the back wall, the more the depth of stage will suffer, and you will also experience increased bass response (normally, not for the better).

The amount of bass you experienced is not unique to the Special 40. Dynaudio is known for it.

I would agree with jnelson2000 and give Evoke models a listen as well, but not just the 30's.
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It is almost like you have to put your life on hold, waiting and waiting, and waiting for the Confidence to hit the streets in North America. I put my XD’s back in action for 2 channel today, I boxed up the TT2 for a visit to my local dealers home tomorrow. He has Dave/blu2 with Contour 30’s, but wants to try my TT2 with his blu2. Also, I want to try the TT2 driving the Neat Ultimatum MF5’s I might buy directly from the TT2. He is also curious about the TT2 driving the Contour 30’s directly, should be interesting. Pretty sure the JL D110 is not for me, so I am returning it, too much bass for my apartment. Do I keep waiting and saving for Confidence 20’s?, or grab what works for me now.
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Paint drying is MUCH quicker Garman, I was hoping that there would be Confidence 20’s on the used market by now.
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