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Yonson: I hear you!

Speaking of cables, this guy makes great cables that are hand made and won't break your bank account! His customer service is fantastic as well!

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Interesting, wonder if anyone has compared them to Audioquest, Nordost etc...
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Interesting, wonder if anyone has compared them to Audioquest, Nordost etc...
I have! I have Audioquest/Transparent/Nordost cables and interconnects and you would be hard pressed to hear the difference between them and most people wouldn't know especially if they did a DBT properly.... I Posted his site because I have several of his hand made cables and they are excellent and "inexpensive"... That gives you more money in your pocket to really spend the money on a properly treated room, better stands and more money for great source material! Heck for that matter, front row seats at a concert of your favorite band for that matter! One great thing about the Dynaudio Xeo/XD speakers, it leaves you with more cash in your pocket to worry less about having speaker cables!
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I have! I have Audioquest/Transparent/Nordost cables and interconnects and you would be hard pressed to hear the difference between them and most people wouldn't know especially if they did a DBT properly.... I Posted his site because I have several of his hand made cables and they are excellent and "inexpensive"... That gives you more money in your pocket to really spend the money on a properly treated room, better stands and more money for great source material! Heck for that matter, front row seats at a concert of your favorite band for that matter! One great thing about the Dynaudio Xeo/XD speakers, it leaves you with more cash in your pocket to worry less about having speaker cables!
Cool, I'll give them a try, it's $1800 less than the Red Dawn's I was going to try...
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Cool, I'll give them a try, it's $1800 less than the Red Dawn's I was going to try...
I have Red Dawn and Blue Heaven and Frey's.... Transparent and Audioquest and even some Monster... Lucky for me most of it was given to me as demo pieces to try out, I hear no differences really, except occasionally with some pure silver cables very subtle differences. Same goes with Power Chords, I have several and what I find funny that people will spend thousands on these and the wire coming to their house is s h i t to begin with, so you really think a 4 foot power chord is going to make a huge difference. Sorry, end my rant, I draw the line when it comes to being scientific and realistic not Science Fiction. The funny thing is it doesn't take a lot of money to build a good cable, but the prices some of these companies charge is ridiculous, and if you ask them how come they cost so much you get even more BS.. I asked the Nordost guy last year at Axpona and got a long winded answer that would make Hillary Clinton proud!
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I have! I have Audioquest/Transparent/Nordost cables and interconnects and you would be hard pressed to hear the difference between them and most people wouldn't know especially if they did a DBT properly.... I Posted his site because I have several of his hand made cables and they are excellent and "inexpensive"... That gives you more money in your pocket to really spend the money on a properly treated room, better stands and more money for great source material! Heck for that matter, front row seats at a concert of your favorite band for that matter! One great thing about the Dynaudio Xeo/XD speakers, it leaves you with more cash in your pocket to worry less about having speaker cables!
Well,not really Garman...if you want to get the MOST out of your xd,'s,you have to use the wired connection,to get the 24/192 kHz capability.And all I will say is,I have a pair of 4 meter analogs and a 2 meter,and 4 meter digital cable with mine,Nordost Heimdall 2's for all of them,you do the math

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I have Red Dawn and Blue Heaven and Frey's.... Transparent and Audioquest and even some Monster... Lucky for me most of it was given to me as demo pieces to try out, I hear no differences really, except occasionally with some pure silver cables very subtle differences. Same goes with Power Chords, I have several and what I find funny that people will spend thousands on these and the wire coming to their house is s h i t to begin with, so you really think a 4 foot power chord is going to make a huge difference. Sorry, end my rant, I draw the line when it comes to being scientific and realistic not Science Fiction. The funny thing is it doesn't take a lot of money to build a good cable, but the prices some of these companies charge is ridiculous, and if you ask them how come they cost so much you get even more BS.. I asked the Nordost guy last year at Axpona and got a long winded answer that would make Hillary Clinton proud!
Haha, that was my argument as well, and the sales guy said that the last 4 feet could fix all the other issues, then demo'd it for me. I couldn't really tell a difference, but I didn't know the system/music etc... I'm going to try it in my own home where I know everything and see if it's worth it "TO ME".
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Well,not really Garman...if you want to get the MOST out of your xd,'s,you have to use the wired connection,to get the 24/192 kHz capability.And all I will say is,I have 2 pairs of 4 meter analogs and a 2 meter,and 4 meter digital cable with mine,Nordost Heimdall 2's for all of them,you do the math
no quarter: point well taken, I have some Audioquest and some Blue Heaven interconnects and didn't hear any differences when I hooked them up to the Xeo 2 analog inputs via my CD Player. I went with the Audioquest because I needed a longer length... One thing I did notice is my CD player going in via Analog inputs sounds better than streaming via my Apple TV and iTunes. (go figure) Most of the systems I heard that I liked better at Axpona where using either record players or CD's with Dacs... Heck the Raidho Room was using the Naim CD Player going to the Dac on the killer Int. Amp (Aavik U-300) and that was the best I have heard in a long time.

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no quarter: point well taken, I have some Audioquest and some Blue Heaven interconnects and didn't hear any differences when I hooked them up to the Xeo 2 analog inputs via my CD Player. I went with the Audioquest because I needed a longer length... One thing I did notice is my CD player going in via Analog inputs sounds better than streaming via my Apple TV and iTunes. (go figure) Most of the systems I heard that I liked better at Axpona where using either record players or CD's with Dacs... Heck the Raidho Room was using the Naim CD Player going to the Dac on the killer Int. Amp (Aavik U-300) and that was the best I have heard in a long time.
Last week when I had my xd's upstairs,I ran the 2 analog cables from my teac pd 501 Dsd player directly into the analog jacks of the xd's.I also ran my digital(rca) cable directly from the Naim n 272's digital out...into the back of one xd,then to the other xd with my other digital cable.Well,there is some kind of MAGIC going on in that n 272,because to me it was far better,actually the best I have ever heard them sound,so this seems to be the best way to go,for me...I don't want all the musicians to leave my houseOh,and today I hooked up my JL sub to play with the Iota's,it sounded pretty good but I unhooked it after an hour,while doing my demo,I just want to hear what the bare bones nap 250 is doing...wonders
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Haha, that was my argument as well, and the sales guy said that the last 4 feet could fix all the other issues, then demo'd it for me. I couldn't really tell a difference, but I didn't know the system/music etc... I'm going to try it in my own home where I know everything and see if it's worth it "TO ME".
You hit too key points, are you going to hear the difference and whether it is worth it... Bottom line that is anyones call... The last 4 feet fixing everything is key and highly debatable theory! Heck just running dedicated lines will fix more than any power chord can do..... But the smart thing is trying it in your system without any outside influence!

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I may be wrong,but I think he is referring to the criminal minds chick's Boobs,lol...on the t.v.

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I may be wrong,but I think he is referring to the criminal minds chick's Boobs,lol...on the t.v.
No; earlier in the day..the link wasn't working. It is now.

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No; earlier in the day..the link wasn't working. It is now.

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I brought my Paradigms into my 2 channel room today to try with the n 272 and nap 250...arrghh/brutal,the magic is gone.These will not be here long,it sounds like a speaker(bad one) trying to reproduce music,not very enjoyable at all.The xd's,excites and even Neat iota's are miles ahead of these speakers.I will give them until tomorrow,but they will be replaced with the excite's again to wrap up my demo of the Naim gear

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Partaking in some live music for the first time in 5 years, hope it lives up to how it sounds on the Dyns...
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Partaking in some live music for the first time in 5 years, hope it lives up to how it sounds on the Dyns...
Don't forget your room is different so it won't be the same. Should be fairly close but C4's would be closer

A little sarcasm
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I just felt I had to share this thread on another forum with you folks. The OP is apparently out of his mind.

https://forums.audioholics.com/forum...k-lsim.103800/

His reply just took me aback.

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I just felt I had to share this thread on another forum with you folks. The OP is apparently out of his mind.

https://forums.audioholics.com/forum...k-lsim.103800/

His reply just took me aback.
Ken...what in particular, do you find troubling?

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It seemed he's not happy with Dynaudio and MTM speakers in general. Further, a revelation to me is that Dynaudio uses the same drivers and tweeters in their lower lines that they do the Confidence and just charge more for fit & finish.

I haven't noticed any deficiencies in a good MTM design.

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It seemed he's not happy with Dynaudio and MTM speakers in general. Further, a revelation to me is that Dynaudio uses the same drivers and tweeters in their lower lines that they do the Confidence and just charge more for fit & finish.

I haven't noticed any deficiencies in a good MTM design.
I have to say...the MTM issue aside; I didn't get that.

First...doesn't sound like he had any issue, with his Confidence set-up; just that he's decided to down-size (and applause...because present company excepted; I think a 5-channel Confidence set-up, for movies...is overkill).

He's talking about Focus and Xeo; you invoke XD...which is a whole, other animal. Listen...even in this forum; we've always questioned, some of Dyns marketing. We'd ask about drivers, and the answers were always clouded in a little ambiguity. How is the driver in this line, different from that; and we'd get "new coating", or "different basket", etc. We always get "each model, gets it's own unique driver"...but that doesn't mean, they aren't pulling something off the shelf...and just tweaking a little here or there. In fact, if anyone were to deny that...I would say it's a crazy business model. You can't build a new driver, from the ground up...for a $1300 pair of speakers.

So while I don't necessarily agree, with this poster; I don't think he's so wildly off-base, as to find his views ridiculous.
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But is it true?
That the same drivers are used in the Confidence lines and also in their lower series? Exactly the same drivers? That's not so good right?
It's like saying, B&W uses the Diamond tweeter in the CM series or something like that.
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BTW guys...some new kit coming in, I'm pretty darn excited about

Bryston's new 4B3 http://bryston.com/products/power_amps/4B-3.html (which leaves a really excellent, C-J ET-250S on the auction-blocks; maybe. I'm not so sure, the new Bryston can push it aside...lol)

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But is it true?
That the same drivers are used in the Confidence lines and also in their lower series? Exactly the same drivers? That's not so good right?
It's like saying, B&W uses the Diamond tweeter in the CM series or something like that.
He never, comes close to saying that:

Yeah I know the Confidence is not their low end; I still have a pair of C1 MK2s.

I said I was leery of their lower and mid end models--referring to Focus and Xeos--as I've heard they are essentially all using their entry level drivers with better decor and a higher price tag.

He's saying...not I...that he's heard, lower-to mid models; Excite, Xeo, Focus...use (relatively) the same drivers, and the price difference is for better cabinets.

That's what I get; and I can't say, I find it impossible.

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It seemed he's not happy with Dynaudio and MTM speakers in general. Further, a revelation to me is that Dynaudio uses the same drivers and tweeters in their lower lines that they do the Confidence and just charge more for fit & finish.

I haven't noticed any deficiencies in a good MTM design.
Sorry but that guy sound completely delusional.. It's trickle down technology, the DM/Xeo/XD/Contour/Confidence all sound really good to my "Ears" and to many others... I could care less about reviews, back when Dynaudio barely got noticed I was selling them, and once other people in our store heard them, they usually would walk out with a pair of " Dynaudio "Audience" Speakers back in the day verses Klipsch or PSB or other brands we sold. When people usually use "Why are you getting so defensive" remark is when they want too deflect the stupidness they are spreading! A lot of manufactures will do this, it's not just a Dynaudio thing, I get where he is coming from, I had a pair of KEF Q300 and LS50s and to my ears there wasn't a huge difference in sound.. But I moved up and down in the Dynaudio Chain and I for one can tell the difference from the DM line to the Confidence line etc.. etc.. The only line I haven't owned in the Dynaudio line up is the XDs, and if they are anything like the Xeos and better well then some one has a fantastic sounding speaker! I mean we are talking crossover/cabinets/drivers etc..etc.. so it's not just the drivers, heck the DM 7 sounded totally different than the Exite 12 I had, the Exites had way better balance and tighter bass. There are so many companies doing this now you can loose your mind just trying to overthink it, as he clearly did! Heck you could say the same thing about Scansonic/Raidho etc.. etc..

Tell him that these speaker cables will cure everything! LOL
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Don't forget your room is different so it won't be the same. Should be fairly close but C4's would be closer

A little sarcasm
Hehe, to me vocals always sound better at home. Some songs are awesome live for vocals, but it's so hard to mix them correctly so the vocals don't get washed/blown out.

The biggest thing I love about live is that it's LOUD & CLEAN, in this area it blows away my 340's. While the 340's will play fairly loud and still clean the output just can't touch concert levels.

I had my favorite seating position (for me) Front row center (balcony) and I could feel the music. Amazingly they have the volume perfect (for me) it wasn't so loud that my ears were ringing afterwards or even fatigued. That's what I want in the house, I'm hoping the C4's will get me where I want!
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But is it true?
That the same drivers are used in the Confidence lines and also in their lower series? Exactly the same drivers? That's not so good right?
It's like saying, B&W uses the Diamond tweeter in the CM series or something like that.
No, that is certainly NOT true. As someone else mentioned, of course we do not develop a completely new driver from the ground up for every model, that would be ridiculous. But because we do manufacture every driver from the ground up, we can fairly easily change every aspect of a driver to match the needs of each specific model. In some cases it is not necessary, for instance, often (but not always) the tweeter is the same for all models in a particular lineup, but with different woofers. Some of these differences do affect the cost quite a bit, which is why we do not use Confidence level drivers in the Emit series. To be fair, that was not what the person in the link was trying to say, although his statements about our drivers being the same throughout the lower ranges is also not true. Are they similar? Of course.

We do take pride in the fact that we have some technologies that are similar or even identical throughout our lineup. We do not like using more expensive materials for the sake of making a more expensive speaker, if we do not like the acoustic properties. Vice-versa, we do not like to intentionally make our lower range drivers look worse, to "excuse" the price difference to the higher-end models. Whether you like to call it trickle-down or not, our woofers and tweeters all look very similar, from the Emit to the Evidence. Why this would be an argument AGAINST our lower-range models, is beyond me.

One reason why people may find it difficult to find precise information on what the actual differences betwee two drivers are, could be that as a low-level manufacturer and developer we have a lot of intellectual property that we want to protect. We may not want outsiders to know which changes makes the most difference in the performance, or exactly what those differences are.

All this is not taking into account the fact that designing and tuning the crossovers in our speakers is very time consuming - to the point that it is very similar to actually doing it from the ground up in every speaker. Getting 90% of the way is 10% of the time spent, so whether we actually work from an off-the-shelf filter or start from scratch, is not really what matters, cost-wise. But as it has at least as much impact on the resulting sound quality, it has to be done. I have witnessed first-hand how a seemingly small change in a driver to achieve a specific wanted improvement, starts a chain reaction causing countless engineering hours to be spent adjusting the crossover to make sure that the change does not hurt the balance of the finished speaker. So even in cases where you could argue that the drivers are very similar if not the same, the sound quality achieved can be quite different.


The above is mainly relevant for comparing different lower-range models. The Confidence drivers are much, much better, with very significant differences internally, even though that may not be obvious looking at the speaker from the outside.

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I don't know of anywhere local that has C4's to audition. For power I'm looking at either a new pair of Parasound JC-1's or a pre-owned pair of either Bryston 7BSST-2's or 28B SST-2's. Any of you guys have experience with these amps?
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http://www.dynaudio.com/dynaudio-aca...es-ohr-awards/

Looks like Dynaudio been busy wracking up some more awards.
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