Originally Posted by lsdec
I forget that in these forums that there are people from all walks of life so maybe it's not common knowledge here. And no nothing is required but it is certainly more common to use separates vs. an all in one AVR for best electronics.
Also, about all properly designed SS amplifiers sounding the same is not common knowledge, it's one of the most debated points in audio. And the "properly designed" is very vague imho - what does that mean exactly?
I have a 2 channel amp and a 5 channel amp from the same line and even they sound different to me. However, based on your comments if we A/B them, you would probably say they sound exactly the same and it's because they would to you - nothing wrong w/ that.
Yea, I know it's a hotly debated subject. There is nothing vague about "properly designed". Properly designed means the output frequency response is as flat as possible, S/N ratio is beyond audible thresholds, etc. Amplifiers should not color the sound in any way. They're only function is to amplify (hence their name) the incoming signal. Anything other than amplifying the signal then it is considered a processor. That's my take on it at least.
I've A/B'd my external 2CH and 5CH amps and my Denon AVR. There was no audible difference to me. Of course, I'll admit I don't have any crazy dollar amps though so I can't say if they would make any difference or not. Just some Emotiva XPR series amplifiers. Well, I take that back. The external amps were able to play at higher SPLs without starting to sound harsh in the highs, but that's about it. The Denon was only able to get to about 95dBs give or take before the highs started to sound a little harsh.
Originally Posted by lsdec
Just curious - no ill will intended - did you buy the Salons because you liked how they looked or because they sounded best out the several $20k+ speakers you auditioned?
All of my Revels were blind buys. It started with the Revel Performa2 F52. I had auditioned speakers in that price range for months with no luck so I decided to just purchase the Revels based on online reviews. Nothing I auditioned sounded good to me with a couple of exceptions, but they were well above my price range. My budget at the time was $3K. Everything in that price range had major issues to me so I just went with the Revel F52s. I haven't regretted that decision one bit. When I had enough expendable money saved up I decided I was going for the Salon2s.
I didn't bother auditioning anything at that price range. I had always lusted for the Salon2s once I heard the F52s. There is just something sexy about the looks of the Salon2s IMO. I figured that if the F52s sounded this good, the Salons couldn't be any worse. After selling off my F52s in addition to the deal I got, it was only a few thousand to upgrade to the Salon2s and Voice2. I was willing to pay the entry fee of the Salon2s just for the looks alone.
Originally Posted by leeshanok
I wished I had your set of ears... would have saved me a bunch of $$$$ not having to buy a Pass Labs amp for my F208s when a Denon receiver would have sounded the same.
Not sure if you're being facetious or not, but I'd much prefer to spend my money on better speakers + proper room treatments + good sub system vs. lesser speakers + high end electronics. IMO, that gives much better bang for the buck. Electronics once good enough, are going to give the least audible differences if any. Again, IMO.