Originally Posted by Drew1204
I am currently considering the following speakers:
Revel F208 pair R&L
Revel C208 center
Revel S206 side surrounds
Revel M105 rear surrounds
JTR 210RT - R&L
JTR 210RM - Center
JTR 8 side - Surrounds
JTR 8 rear - Surrounds
Tekton Design (pretty ugly for a living room)
Double Impact SE - R&L
Double Impact - Oversize Center (7 tweeters)
Double Impact - Surrounds
Double Impact - Rear Surrounds
Focus SE / XD - R&L
MARQUIS XD - Center
Studio HD - Side Surrounds
Studio HD - Rear Surrounds
Revel Salon2's /
or the new F228Be
Paradigm Persona series 7F or 5F
This is mainly going to be for movies. I would say approximately 80/20 or 70/30 movies / music. Might listen to more music after upgrading!
I generally have the volume between -5 to -10 for movies and about the same for music. For music I listen to electronic, hip hop & rap, country and rock. From time to time I do enjoy classical piano.
I know I have written down some $2,000 speakers as well as some $6,500 each speakers. I would prefer to get 95% of the performance for less money if possible. I guess I am kind of looking for the best "do it all" speaker setup that can crush and slam movies with enveloping sound and imaging like a 3D bubble-- but then also be great to listen with music. I am going to upgrade the front stage first, maybe even just the R&L depending on price and then build from there.
The Revels don't seem very sensitive compared to the others so I think I would go with a D-sonic amp of 400wpc x 7 to power them if I went that route. Would an Emotiva XPA-7 with 200wpc be enough? The D-sonic is only $1,000 more for 2x the power.
I currently have a 7.1 system with Klipsch RF280 R&L and 440c center, 250s (bipole) as surrounds and 160m as rear surrounds. I will be doing 4 ceiling atmos eventually with probably either Revel c783 or 583, KEF Ci200QR or RSL C34E.
I would prefer if recommended towers were less than 60 inches or so tall, and a center not higher than 14 inches. I really wanted to checkout Triad Platinum in room series but their center is 17 inches high which would make my TV raised pretty high... 17 inch high center is doable if it would be "worth it." The towers will be going close to the side and rear walls (within 6 inches to the side and maybe a foot to the rear). I just can't have a massive 16x40 inch speaker in my living room as a center channel.
These will go in a large 7500ft3 living room room. The room is that large, but there is a dropdown area (4 inch drop about a 13x15 rectangle) to where the sofas are setup in an L shape and then the TV in front about 13 feet away from the MLP. So the main listening is in this smaller compartment of the larger room.
I just got the denon 4400 today and used their new room correction app and it made a HUGE difference and was like an upgrade in itself so I'm excited to see the difference between Klipsch and other (very) high end speakers.
I also have a cap 1400 from JTR which I love and will either add a second 1400 or upgrade to dual 2400s.
Whew that was a lot to type out. I may make this a separate thread to get other opinions as well but wanted to see what you guys thought
EDIT: I am now also considering used Revel Salon2's / or the new F228Be or Paradigm Persona 7f or 5f
AS mentioned above, you are going to get lots of pro-Revel feedback here in the Revel thread. I honestly do think it's justified (there is no other speaker line more scientifically validated, thanks to double blind listening comparisons with the competition, and the fact that Revel / JBL designs can be found on just about every critical mix and mastering stage in the world, like the nine Salon2s in one of Dolby Labs Critical Listening Rooms).
And you have even more reason to be skeptical of me, since in the interest of full disclosure I am a dealer for Revel and Paradigm. Still, the reason I ended up with Revel is because of the scientific validation mentioned above. It's one thing for a manufacturer to claim their speakers are superior, it's another to actual demonstrate it under scientifically controlled conditions.
Going down your list:
First system - great Performa3 system, fantastic bang for the buck. The F208 has been shot out against speakers literally 5 times its price and has come out on top.
JTR system - have only heard JTR at audio shows, so can't make any real comment. After doing speaker listening tests for many years I hesitate to draw conclusions when listening to different source material in different rooms. AFAIK
, there are no published measurements on these speakers.
Tekton Design - haven't heard these, but their website is so full of pseudo-science and outrageous claims I would dismiss them just based on that basis (moving mass of instruments?). But that's just me...
Legacy Audio - have not heard them, so can't comment. Again, would be great to have some measurements.
Salon2 system - no speaker has yet beat the Salon2 in double blind, controlled listening sessions at the MLL in Northridge. Like the F208, they've been shot out against just about any high end speaker you can think of.
Personas - I have heard these at shows and have liked what I heard. I've only seen measurements of the PersonaB, and it seems that Paradigm has gone after kind of a brighter voicing (consistent with other Paradigm speakers). Take a look at this measurement of the listening PersonaB, undertaken at the NRC labs in Canada (full measurements at www.soundstage.com):
Compare that to the listening window of the Revel F206, the smaller brother of the F208:
You can compare a lot of independent measurements of speakers on soundstage.com - a great resource. Here's the Salon2:
You will see a trend - the Revel speakers are all extremely flat and neutral. The design goal is flat and accurate response, with the idea being you will hear exactly what is in the recording, nothing less and nothing more. The Revel goal idea is that the speaker should get out of the way and simply let you hear what's in the recording without adding any coloration of its own. As a film mixer and film composer myself, that's exactly what I would want
I know most of the above would be an upgrade over the Klipsch models.
The F208 system hits your bang for the buck sweet spot.
Have paired F208s with many an Emotiva amp - think you will be fine.
The new F228Be will be a more "refined" version of the F208 with greater dynamic capability and a bit more efficiency.
Hope all of that helps! Don't skimp on a center speaker - it's the most important speaker in your home theater.
Broken record time - don't forget, there is a TON of music in movies. I'm sure John Williams, Danny Elfman and Hans Zimmer would agree with me