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post #12631 of 15246 Old 06-29-2018, 04:18 PM
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here are some pics of the F228be xo and drivers
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Now you can "see" a comparison. One file is of the Be series tweeter. The smaller one is of the Performa3.

I took these pictures in Germany at the Munich HiFi Show. Now you know why the top end of the Be series is so darn impressive!
Impressive, the 228 Be tweeter looks very similar to the ones in the Ultima2 series.

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Stupid question: my banana speaker wires no longer fit from the top on F228Be binding posts. So I put them from the sides.

See picture.

Any issues or signal loss?

Thanks!
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Stupid question: my banana speaker wires no longer fit from the top on F228Be binding posts. So I put them from the sides.

See picture.

Any issues or signal loss?

Thanks!
I can't imagine crushing your plugs like that would be a good idea. IIRC the posts on my Salon2s had plastic inserts inside them. Have you checked yours and removed them if present?
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Stupid question: my banana speaker wires no longer fit from the top on F228Be binding posts. So I put them from the sides.

See picture.

Any issues or signal loss?

Thanks!
I'm kind of confused on why they don't first in the traditional way for banana plugs?
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I can't imagine crushing your plugs like that would be a good idea. IIRC the posts on my Salon2s had plastic inserts inside them. Have you checked yours and removed them if present?
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I'm kind of confused on why they don't first in the traditional way for banana plugs?
No plastic inserts, and yes, tried not to tighten too much.

They should fit, but way too tight, and will only go through if I push hard. I tried one. I was scared to do all eight, for fear of breaking my terminations on my speaker cables (biwire Cardas Clear Reflection)
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They should fit, but way too tight, and will only go through if I push hard. I tried one. I was scared to do all eight, for fear of breaking my terminations on my speaker cables (biwire Cardas Clear Reflection)
I follow you now. I thought you meant the angle. Strange the new terminals are smaller. I thought they were pretty universal. Any chance to get those cable ends redone with spade or different plugs?
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Any chance to get those cable ends redone with spade or different plugs?
Most likely yes, but will cost me money, plus shipping round trip. I already spent quite a bit on these.

I will see if I can carefully push them through from the top...
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Most likely yes, but will cost me money, plus shipping round trip. I already spent quite a bit on these.
I will see if I can carefully push them through from the top...
They look perfectly happy the way they are now. I'd hand tighten and check now and then to make sure the connection stays tight.
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I wouldn't keep it connected like that as a permanent setup, personally. Those connectors may loosen up over time. Electricity flowing through wires and conductors creates heat. Heat causes expansion. Different materials and masses will expand at different rates. Once the equipment is shut off the components will cool causing the opposite effect. Not to mention the vibration from the speakers when in use. All of this over time could cause the connection to loosen up. If it loosens enough to let a wire fall out then there will be a possibility of the wires shorting. I don't know. I could just be paranoid and this could all just be textbook information that is not relevant in the real world. If it were me, I wouldn't risk it though.
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I wouldn't keep it connected like that as a permanent setup, personally. Those connectors may loosen up over time. Electricity flowing through wires and conductors creates heat. Heat causes expansion. Different materials and masses will expand at different rates. Once the equipment is shut off the components will cool causing the opposite effect. Not to mention the vibration from the speakers when in use. All of this over time could cause the connection to loosen up. If it loosens enough to let a wire fall out then there will be a possibility of the wires shorting. I don't know. I could just be paranoid and this could all just be textbook information that is not relevant in the real world. If it were me, I wouldn't risk it though.
If a speaker wire/connector gets so hot that it expands then something is wrong.
I have had connectors t loosen, however never enough to have a wire fall out.
Not saying none of this can happen. Not saying you are paranoid. You are certainly on the brink of being over cautious.
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Stupid question: my banana speaker wires no longer fit from the top on F228Be binding posts. So I put them from the sides.

See picture.

Any issues or signal loss?

Thanks!
Do you have another pair of speakers to try them on?

Assuming you used these with the F208’s or are they new cables?

I’d talk to your dealer or maybe someone from Revel or a dealer will chime in on suggestions.

Hopefully you can use them the way they were meant to be used.
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^Well stated.

+1 on asking the dealer what the story is. It would be interesting to know if Revel changed the binding posts as this would seem to be rather mature tech.

Just one more upgrade and things will be perfect.
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Do you have another pair of speakers to try them on?

Assuming you used these with the F208’s or are they new cables?

I’d talk to your dealer or maybe someone from Revel or a dealer will chime in on suggestions.

Hopefully you can use them the way they were meant to be used.
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^Well stated.

+1 on asking the dealer what the story is. It would be interesting to know if Revel changed the binding posts as this would seem to be rather mature tech.
New Cables.

The F208s were sold before the cables arrived . I tried the same cables on the DALI Rubicon 6 before. They were tight, but fitting much easier with f228Be. Maybe because the f228Be are brand new and DALIs were not?

Anyways, I made them fit. All good. It was hard , but I did not break anything
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New Cables.

The F208s were sold before the cables arrived . I tried the same cables on the DALI Rubicon 6 before. They were tight, but fitting much easier with f228Be. Maybe because the f228Be are brand new and DALIs were not?

Anyways, I made them fit. All good. It was hard , but I did not break anything
Yeah, expensive cables plus expensive speakers should work as designed.

Very nice setup.
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Re: new cables, this probably isn't the case but...

Do the new cables have the kind of banana connectors that are manually tightened and loosened?

Just one more upgrade and things will be perfect.
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Re: new cables, this probably isn't the case but...

Do the new cables have the kind of banana connectors that are manually tightened and loosened?
You mean locking bananas? No

And I was talking about speakers, new vs. old. Not cables. DALI Rubicon 6 old, Revel F228Be new.

Here is the speaker cable I have:

http://www.cardas.com/clear_reflection_sp.php

Anyways... all good now. Thanks
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Those silver F228be's are easy on the eyes and have me thinking about taking my salon's to get refinished!

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You mean locking bananas? No

And I was talking about speakers, new vs. old. Not cables. DALI Rubicon 6 old, Revel F228Be new.

Here is the speaker cable I have:

http://www.cardas.com/clear_reflection_sp.php

Anyways... all good now. Thanks
Glad to hear you got it to work. My first thought was locking but I saw the photos so they were wrapped in a heat shrink.

My Blue Jeans quad cable with locking bananas seem to do well with fit on the F206s. I can't solder nor have aspired trying. I let someone else handle. For the surrounds I ran in wall with 12 AWG Blue Jeans and terminated them with Sewell Silverbacks. Both banana plugs worked with my speakers. I'd be curious on responses from Cardas and Revel on this.
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I have Sewell plugs on my F206s; one side I took them off as became loose. The same banana plugs are very tight on my M16 surround speakers.. strange

Primary set-up 5.1.4; Yamaha A2050, Paired w/Parasound P5 & ATI 500NC 2 channel amp
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I use these locking banana plugs. They are well worth it.
Also, quite useful if you want to compare a speaker single and bi-amped (they stack).

https://www.parts-express.com/angled...insu--091-3608

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I have Sewell plugs on my F206s; one side I took them off as became loose. The same banana plugs are very tight on my M16 surround speakers.. strange
The Sewells are for my rears which are currently Paradigm and no issues. I love the locking banana plugs on my F206s from Blue Jeans
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I use these locking banana plugs. They are well worth it.
Also, quite useful if you want to compare a speaker single and bi-amped (they stack).

https://www.parts-express.com/angled...insu--091-3608

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Be-autiful!


Thanks to SteveH for the super fast shipping and the many conversations. Also, thanks to John Schuermann for his informative PMs.
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Be-autiful! Thanks to SteveH for the super fast shipping and the many conversations. Also, thanks to John Schuermann for his informative PMs.

Everything black but the floor? Looks nice, just curious about the floor.
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Everything black but the floor? Looks nice, just curious about the floor.
One of those things you look back on (14 years ago) and ask yourself why you did it. Wouldn't have gone black, but would have picked a darker beige. I have two rear night-lights and an Ideal-Lume behind the TV for my lighting, so the carpet has a sandy look to it and doesn't stand out when watching TV like it does when the lights are on.

I have a bad bottom driver. Steve is contacting Revel tomorrow for a replacement. Distorts like crazy. I'll pull it out tomorrow and take a look.
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If anyone cares to participate;
I'm trying to decide on a pair of subs to go with my Studio2s.

I've seriously looked at Seas dual 10" driver\ 10" passive radiator with a Speaker Power 700watt amp.
Love Seas drivers, like the design the cabinet size, the amp & the price.

Also considering a 15" Rythmik DIY sealed, down firing design.
Excellent extension and control. Their amp offerings have gotten a lot better.
A bit concerned about the size. Maybe I can do a veneer to match my flooring.

After upgrading the amps on the Madisound\Seas & Rythmik they are almost identical in price, ~$750 per without cab & finish.
I've done a ton of DIY projects & have all of the requisite tools to build & finish a cabinet

I've looked at a lot of other subs as well.

Would appreciate any feedback. Really don't want to spend more than $1,600 for DIY.
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I have Rythmik subs. My first sub was a DIY design using a servo circuit of my own design back around 1979-1980. Should have patented it; the design was similar to what Brian (Ding, Rythmik) patented. The servo helps gain extension, reduce distortion, and improve time-domain response as well as compensating for thermal compression. There are lots of good subs around these days so take it as FWIWFM.

Larger size improves sensitivity so less power is needed and makes it easier to reach deeper.

As an FYI, surround droop and memory can be an issue with bottom-firing subs; I would go front-firing no matter whom you choose.

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....... I'd be curious on responses from Cardas and Revel on this.
Here is what I got from Cardas Customer service:

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Thank you for contacting Cardas Audio.

The Cardas banana fits a standard 4mm hole and can be manipulated slightly if it feels too snug or too loose. In this case you might want to remove the spring inside the shaft of the banana. It's probably a black rubber spring. You can also press the shaft together with pliers (be sure to protect the metal with a cloth).

If this doesn't help you can send your cable in to be inspected and possibly re-terminated to spades.

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Here is what I got from Cardas Customer service:

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Thank you for contacting Cardas Audio.

The Cardas banana fits a standard 4mm hole and can be manipulated slightly if it feels too snug or too loose. In this case you might want to remove the spring inside the shaft of the banana. It's probably a black rubber spring. You can also press the shaft together with pliers (be sure to protect the metal with a cloth).

If this doesn't help you can send your cable in to be inspected and possibly re-terminated to spades.

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I vote for leaving them in if they’re in now.

Should be a good connection at least.
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