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there's a walnut pair of m126be on ebay that got recently relisted. I wonder if that's the pair slyafari bought?
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Fortunately it was fairly short.
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That was painful to watch.
Not at all. It was very easy on the eyes. The interview was total fluff.


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Not at all. It was very easy on the eyes. The interview was total fluff.
What are you talking about, @RichB ? Kevin isn't THAT cute and we only got to see part of the speaker... I suppose he did have me hooked as soon as he said "wave guide" though.
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They're gone, sniff' It happens too often in this room, I hear a pair of speakers that grab my attention, with the salon 2's the demonstrator finally unplugged his subs to convince me the speakers were producing all that bass themselves! crazy how that works. Anyhow I don't really generate the type of money that can justify speakers of such caliber and I sure couldn't invest any more cabbage to bring out the best in them so the best thing happened all round, I found different speakers for 1/2 what the S2 sold for and I don't have to buy subs and bigger amps with my retirement fund! these new(used)speakers aren't half bad. Usher BE-20 DMD don't need the gobs of power the salon2's do so they sounded good as soon as I plugged them in. I'm still a revel fan and will be hanging around. Big thanks to Rex Anderson for the time he spent helping me out just because he could. Great guy, KV too.
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Thanks for the kind words Steven. Glad I could help and it all worked out.
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Apologies for the phone screenshot, but...

Revel posted this on Instagram today. Anyone care to guess and/or comment?
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What was that on Facebook and Instagram?

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Apologies for the phone screenshot, but...

Revel posted this on Instagram today. Anyone care to guess and/or comment?
The photo that appeared briefly on Facebook and Instagram today was taken around four years ago by someone on our social media team. It was a design exercise that was never developed, as is common. For reasons unknown, they decided to post it today. It does not reflect anything that will be released as a product.


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That was painful to watch.
Well, you certainly didn't see me posting it!
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The photo that appeared briefly on Facebook and Instagram today was taken around four years ago by someone on our social media team. It was a design exercise that was never developed, as is common. For reasons unknown, they decided to post it today. It does not reflect anything that will be released as a product.

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That explains why the photo got pulled. Thanks.
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The photo that appeared briefly on Facebook and Instagram today was taken around four years ago by someone on our social media team. It was a design exercise that was never developed, as is common. For reasons unknown, they decided to post it today. It does not reflect anything that will be released as a product.


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Apologies if this is redundant information -- just found them @ Stereophile + S&V.

Kal Rubinson's review of the F228Be on the Stereophile web site:
https://www.stereophile.com/content/...be-loudspeaker

Kal's visit with Harman, Blind listening
https://www.stereophile.com/content/...-international

In in the vein of really late discovery, Thomas Norton's visit to Harman
https://www.soundandvision.com/content/revel-trifecta
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I’m working on putting together my first surround sound system, as I’m finally moving out of apartments and into a house, and I’m looking for some advice on speaker choice.

I’ve read the majority of the sound from movies and tv shows comes out of the center channel, so would F206’s + C208 be better than the F208’s + C205? Both setups would include a subwoofer, and probably M105’s as the rears. I don’t think I’d have the budget for both the C208 and F208’s unless I didn’t get the rear speakers to start and maybe buy them at the end of this year once I have more money saved up. A third possible setup would be F206’s + C205 and use the extra money for Atmos speakers. The system will be used for probably 75% HT and 25% music.

Also are there anyone who could PM about pricing. I’m not really sure how much room there is on speakers, just that it seems to be a decent bit below MSRP. I’ve seen a lot of people mention the had a good experience ordering from @John Schuermann but it seems like he may have mostly retired from avs forum.

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I think it would be best to focus on doing the best you can all around and in stages if necessary. Ideal would be F208's and C208 up front and F206's for rear surround. You need two subs! If you can get two subs, F206's would be OK and I would go with the C208 over the C205 due to your 75% HT usage. M106's can keep up with the system better than M105's, they can play louder. I would do Atmos speakers down the road after you have a good main 5.2 system.
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+1. If you want F208's and buy F206's you'll end up regretting it and having to deal with an upgrade sooner rather than later. And yes for HT the center is very important -- it carries most of the load most of the time since most everything is centered.

I would get F208's + C208 from Rex or you local dealer and either use a cheap (maybe used) pair of smaller speakers for surrounds initially then upgrade later when you have funds and a better idea what you want. I had smaller (as far as LF corner was concerned) surrounds and rears for many years and then upgraded to towers. Much of the time it doesn't matter that much, but for some movies and multichannel music it is a significant improvement. That said, I would get the biggest bestest front line (L/R/C) I could, a good sub (or four), and get by with cheapie surrounds initially, and see how the overall system works before deciding what to do for surrounds.

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I’m working on putting together my first surround sound system, as I’m finally moving out of apartments and into a house, and I’m looking for some advice on speaker choice.

I’ve read the majority of the sound from movies and tv shows comes out of the center channel, so would F206’s + C208 be better than the F208’s + C205? Both setups would include a subwoofer, and probably M105’s as the rears. I don’t think I’d have the budget for both the C208 and F208’s unless I didn’t get the rear speakers to start and maybe buy them at the end of this year once I have more money saved up. A third possible setup would be F206’s + C205 and use the extra money for Atmos speakers. The system will be used for probably 75% HT and 25% music.

Also are there anyone who could PM about pricing. I’m not really sure how much room there is on speakers, just that it seems to be a decent bit below MSRP. I’ve seen a lot of people mention the had a good experience ordering from @John Schuermann but it seems like he may have mostly retired from avs forum.

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Anyone getting some new Revel’s for Christmas or anything?
I was just given the green light to upgrade my surrounds from some older Paradigms to some Performa3s to match my F206s and C208. That's 2 pairs I'll be updgrading (7.1 setup currently)
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Thanks for the reply’s and PM’s everyone, I really appreciate it.
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Has anyone compared F208 with Salk Song 3 or 3a speakers. Both of them get really great reviews all around and are in same range as F208. Just wondering how do they compare to Revel offering in same price range.

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I was wondering if anyone could help me decide between the M105 vs. M106 for use as mains in a sub/sat system for music.

I have a pretty decent pro audio gear-based rig to feed them, so it's not a problem for me to cross the subs very steeply (LR8) if that helps with the decision. EQ is also doable but I'm hoping these will be neutral enough not to EQ. Crossover point would be 80Hz (works well in my room), and the room is open concept so they would be well away from the back walls. I don't need to play loud, in fact the opposite -- my wife hates music at levels most people would consider reasonable, so low volume articulation is more important to me.

I've done a lot of searching of this forum and it looks like the spin-o-ramas from the M105 are generally a little better than the M106 (maybe because it's easier to cleanly integrate the tweeter and a smaller woofer?) although I'm guessing the M106 could potentially have lower distortion that's not evident on the spin-o-ramas.

I don't have a local Revel dealer (confirmed by e-mail to Harman -- incidentally, the person who answered was wonderfully nice), so I have to buy used, probably unheard. My current speakers are KEF R-series (2014 version) which are decent, but I find them somewhat dark, with an audible peak around 5k, and a lower midrange that has an odd indistinct/mufffled quality.

(If it made a huge difference, I'd also be willing to maybe entertain the M126be, but they'd be a lot harder to source for me and the spin-o-ramas from that one don't seem as smooth as the M105 so I'm thinking overall the M105 or M106 would be enough for now, but let me know if you think that could be a better option.)
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I was wondering if anyone could help me decide between the M105 vs. M106 for use as mains in a sub/sat system for music.

I have a pretty decent pro audio gear-based rig to feed them, so it's not a problem for me to cross the subs very steeply (LR8) if that helps with the decision. EQ is also doable but I'm hoping these will be neutral enough not to EQ. Crossover point would be 80Hz (works well in my room), and the room is open concept so they would be well away from the back walls. I don't need to play loud, in fact the opposite -- my wife hates music at levels most people would consider reasonable, so low volume articulation is more important to me.

I've done a lot of searching of this forum and it looks like the spin-o-ramas from the M105 are generally a little better than the M106 (maybe because it's easier to cleanly integrate the tweeter and a smaller woofer?) although I'm guessing the M106 could potentially have lower distortion that's not evident on the spin-o-ramas.

I don't have a local Revel dealer (confirmed by e-mail to Harman -- incidentally, the person who answered was wonderfully nice), so I have to buy used, probably unheard. My current speakers are KEF R-series (2014 version) which are decent, but I find them somewhat dark, with an audible peak around 5k, and a lower midrange that has an odd indistinct/mufffled quality.

(If it made a huge difference, I'd also be willing to maybe entertain the M126be, but they'd be a lot harder to source for me and the spin-o-ramas from that one don't seem as smooth as the M105 so I'm thinking overall the M105 or M106 would be enough for now, but let me know if you think that could be a better option.)
I can't help with the M105 vs. M106 comparison but IIRC there are a few posts in this thread about that. Try searching; yes, I know it's painful... Hopefully one of the owners will chime in. IIRC the M105 is actually preferred in many cases but I only briefly considered them and my memory may well be faulty. There was a very good discussion in this thread, somewhere... If you do not play them loudly and have a good sub or two (or four...) distortion should not be an issue so if the off-axis response is better and you have a large'ish room I'd probably lean to the M105's. But I am not competent to say from personal experience.

I tend to prefer a fairly steep crossover, especially with "smaller" speakers with higher crossovers since you don't want any more deep bass going to them than necessary, and you do not want the sub trying to handle stuff well beyond its top frequency range. My rule of thumb is to set the crossover an octave (2x) above the mains LF cutoff if possible and not less than 50% higher to provide some margin on the low end. Crossovers roll off gradually so there is still energy below (and above) the crossover frequency.

No local dealer does not mean you have to buy used. It may mean unheard if you don't have anyone nearby with a pair you can hear. Any dealer can ship to you or have them shipped directly from the factory to your home or business. That is what I did last time -- no need for John and crew to handle those Salon2's twice! Contact Rex, Steve, or your closest dealer and they'll hook you up.

I have been buying more stuff that way the past few years because there are fewer local places carrying fewer items to hear and I do not live in a big city. I have a couple of dealers (luckily Johnis one) within from half an hour to a couple of hours' drive but then am faced with multiple trips to multiple dealers using different equipment and trying to compare. Blah. And some lines are not available anywhere around so I'd be looking at hours of flying and staying out of state. Blah again. So I research, read test results, read reviews in magazines and online, check out fora like this, listen to similar products and systems in stores and at friend's houses, and ultimately get something at home to try knowing I've done the best I can. It's actually worked out pretty well so far. With all the forum advice available, I think it is hard to make a bad choice if you do some research; it is more likely you'll pick one of several good choices any of which may be "best". Instead of listening to a salesperson or two and maybe hearing from a couple of guys around you, you get to read about the experiences of many folk all over the world. Ain't the 'net grand!

Of course you still have to decide whom to trust, and/or whom has tastes similar to your own, but that is true in-person or over the Internet.

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Um, ok, um, like, wow, ok... Kevin did OK but think the interviewer was a little overwhelmed, felt a bit sorry for her. It's a learning experience. I'm glad Youtube was not around when I had to give presentations early in my career. For that matter I'm glad I do not have to give them often now, and not for Youtube, ever!

The next video that cued up after that one on Youtube was interesting and had several key Revel folk discussing the new Be components and performance. However, I noticed it was tagged in the "Auto and vehicle" area for Youtube, what's up with that? Hard to see a pair of F228Bes in most cars, let alone the Salon2's also discussed. Even in my wife's Suburban!

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Has anyone compared F208 with Salk Song 3 or 3a speakers. Both of them get really great reviews all around and are in same range as F208. Just wondering how do they compare to Revel offering in same price range.
There's a great thread ongoing about how to choose loudspeakers based on their measurements. I think you'll find it relevant to your purchase. You'll find that measurements of the kind that are published by Revel are highly indicative of sound quality.
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I was wondering if anyone could help me decide between the M105 vs. M106 for use as mains in a sub/sat system for music.

I have a pretty decent pro audio gear-based rig to feed them, so it's not a problem for me to cross the subs very steeply (LR8) if that helps with the decision. EQ is also doable but I'm hoping these will be neutral enough not to EQ. Crossover point would be 80Hz (works well in my room), and the room is open concept so they would be well away from the back walls. I don't need to play loud, in fact the opposite -- my wife hates music at levels most people would consider reasonable, so low volume articulation is more important to me.

I've done a lot of searching of this forum and it looks like the spin-o-ramas from the M105 are generally a little better than the M106 (maybe because it's easier to cleanly integrate the tweeter and a smaller woofer?) although I'm guessing the M106 could potentially have lower distortion that's not evident on the spin-o-ramas.

I don't have a local Revel dealer (confirmed by e-mail to Harman -- incidentally, the person who answered was wonderfully nice), so I have to buy used, probably unheard. My current speakers are KEF R-series (2014 version) which are decent, but I find them somewhat dark, with an audible peak around 5k, and a lower midrange that has an odd indistinct/mufffled quality.

(If it made a huge difference, I'd also be willing to maybe entertain the M126be, but they'd be a lot harder to source for me and the spin-o-ramas from that one don't seem as smooth as the M105 so I'm thinking overall the M105 or M106 would be enough for now, but let me know if you think that could be a better option.)
Hi BobsledII - I have all three.

I replaced some ancient M22's with the M126be's in a then 5.1 home theater that doubles as my music room and living room and breakfast room. The room is large (19 x 27) and has several double door open areas to the dining room, kitchen and entry hall.

It's shocking how much better the M126be's are than the M22's. SteveH had told me they would be, but I was still surprised. Amazingly clear and unstressed highs, fantastic off access response (you don't lose highs as you rise from sitting or wander around the room).

I moved the M22's to the rear of the room and then added 4 CL763 in ceilings for Atmos - and I was quite happy.

Not too long after, I saw some ridiculously cheap used M105s on ebay and figured it would be worth replacing the M22's with them as the rears.

They sound great, but there was a notable loss of "volume" and bass from the rear of the room. However the tweeters were close (at least in pitch) to the M126be's, so I gave my M22's away and was happy.

Then...I saw another ridiculously low price for a pair of M106's on ebay...and said, well let's see.

I got the bass and 'volume' of sound back immediately.

I'm now using the M105's as near field speakers in my office. They sound nice, but are still lacking in bass, at least at the lower volumes that I play.

Right now I'm keeping everything as is, unless and until Revel comes out with some M226be's and some sort of Be center.

If you have a large room, even with a sub, I'd lean toward the M106's over the M105's, regardless of the spin-o-rama's. They seem to just put out more sound and sound very good. The M105's sound a bit like they are struggling in a larger space.

However, I you can afford it, skip both and get the M126be's. They are quite a bit better than either of the 105/106.

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Kevin Voecks posted this a while back in this thread:

While the directivity is a little better with the M105, in listening tests, the difference is quite dramatic in low-end heft and output capability. Even with an 80Hz filter and subwoofer(s), the M106s will play significantly louder than the M105s.
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Kevin Voecks posted this a while back in this thread:

While the directivity is a little better with the M105, in listening tests, the difference is quite dramatic in low-end heft and output capability. Even with an 80Hz filter and subwoofer(s), the M106s will play significantly louder than the M105s.
Speaking of the M105/M106, does anyone know why the tweeter waveguide and crossover point is the same on both?

Wouldn't it make more sense to optimize both for each? I would never expect the M106 to have better directivity using the same size waveguide and crossover point as the smaller M105. Am I overthinking it?

Most waveguides increase in size as necessary and likewise, crossover points lower as necessary, to better match the midwoofer in the system. Take the JBL 3-series, for instance, with the various widths of the waveguides and crossover points for each monitor in the line.

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Hi all,

I've had my 126BEs for about 3 weeks now and just wanted to share my thoughts as there doesn't seem to be much out there review wise.

I've had quite a few mid tier systems and speakers over the years from Revel, PSB, KEF and B&W with various amps/dacs and room treatment. The f206s (with a Parasound hint) were by far my favorite and I have been missing them severely since I sold them due to a move.

They were replaced with KEF LS50w and a sub using Roon. I loved the powered KEFs and for the price which was much less then my previous or current system they are excellent imo. But I was really, really missing my f206s. Just something about the vocals that made me enjoy the music on a different level.I also felt like I really had to have the KEFs cranked up to fully enjoy. I prefer to listen at low levels.

The 126BEs needed to be tried so I bought a pair used along with a used Musical Fidelity M6si($3000 new). I am using them with an Elac sub in a very well treated room and spent a ton of time getting the sub in the ideal postion and blended.

To say I love the Revels is an understatement. The transparency and seperation is just so good. Percussion stands out to me in a huge way and rim clicks, single tom hits and claps sound incredibly real and have their own place. Going back and forth between the KEFs certain percussion sounds that absolutely jump out with the Revels are in the background and mixed in with other sounds on the KEFs. Same for acoustic instruments. So damn real. I have been playing guitar/mando/drums for about 20 years and have been in many bands. This is the first time I really think speakers sound like an acoustic guitar playing in the room. They are really special. No surprise, the vocals are amazing and I am getting what I was missing and dreaming about for the last 2 years since the 206s and then some.

Chord Qutest in the mail now. Really curious if it will stay or go on Audiogon. Lots of blind testing coming up once it gets here. Not sure how it's possible to enjoy music much more then I am right now.
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