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I may be in the market pretty soon for a new TV and speakers for my living. After my home renovation, the kitchen, dining room, and living room will all be open to each other (approximately 19'x37'x8' space). I don't want to go crazy because it's not a dedicated home theater, but I'd like this to be better than what I have in my den (definitive technology mythos 2s L/R, procenter 2000, bipole surrounds, and a Martin Logan Dynamo 700 sub hooked up to an Integra 40.1 receiver; my den is approximately 20'x15.25'x8'). I'd like a 5.1.4 system, but I'd consider 7.1.4, particularly because the surrounds will be only a few degrees behind the listening position. Rear surrounds would fit in the ceiling 4' behind the surrounds. Based on the layout, I have to get in-ceiling surrounds. I'd say my listening will be 5% music, 95% TV and movies. I've narrowed my top 2 5.1.4 systems on paper (no listening yet) to the following:


Revel Performa3 F206 towers - $3,500
C208 center speaker - $2,000
C763L for surrounds - $1,500
C363 x 4 for Atmos - $1,000
Dual SVS SB-3000 subs - $1,900
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$9,900




GoldenEar Triton One.R towers - $6,000
SuperCenter Reference center - $1,500
HTR 7000 for surrounds - $1,000
Invisia 525 x 4 for Atmos - $1,000
————————————————
$9,500


I haven't done too much research on receivers, but I'm leaning towards the Marantz SR8012 ($3k) or the Anthem MRX 1120 ($3,500).



My two questions are 1) what do you think of the choices, and 2) would a sealed sub integrate well with the F206 towers given that the towers have a bass-reflex port? Although the pb3000 would put out more and lower bass, I assume it would do so at the cost of a lot of rattles from the connected kitchen. I could also use the $800 in savings towards rear surrounds and I could always trade in the sb3000s for the pb3000s at the end of the first year thanks to SVS's wonderful trade-up policy.


I plan on posting this in both the Revel and GoldenEar forums to see how responses differ.


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IMO adding independent subs will provide better bass in most rooms, and of course I own Revel, so I'd go with the first option. Having placement options for the subs usually makes for a much better and smoother in-room response (rarely are the best place for subs and best place for mains the same if you want the best imaging and deep, not boomy, bass).

I have not heard the Tritons (at least not enough to say). I did like my F206's (enough to upgrade a bit higher in the Revel line).

As for the port and sub integration, the sub should cross over well above the port tuning frequency, and thus integration is not an issue. I use sealed subs with my ported Revels, no problems.

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I would go with the Revel option. With good subs, you don't need the big Golden Ear Triton's and you can get Revel F208's for less than the Golden Ear's. The Revel C208 is an excellent center channel speaker, C763L's are what pro A/V sound mixers use. Anthem recently updated ARC (room correction). Many folks prefer it over Audyssey (Marantz).

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If you're going to go Atmos, now is the perfect time to do it, during a reno.

Obviously go with the Revels for such a small price difference.
Nothing against Golden Ear.
Never heard them but they review very well and a lot of folks like them.

ARC is better than Audyssey XT32.

 

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Just reporting back. The 4 M105s are installed on ceiling. Guy did a phenomenal job. He made some custom brackets/mounts, so we didnt have to drill into the speakers. It sounds off the hook with 4 x Performa3 M105 on ceiling, angled at the listening position supporting the 4 x Performa3 F208 and C208 @ ear level.

Only regret is I didnt do this sooner. I cannot believe how holographic this is.

PM if anyone wants details on how to mount M105s to the ceiling. I told my installer he should call Revel and send them the schematic, ask for 10%.
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Just reporting back. The 4 M105s are installed on ceiling. Guy did a phenomenal job. He made some custom brackets/mounts, so we didnt have to drill into the speakers. It sounds off the hook with 4 x Performa3 M105 on ceiling, angled at the listening position supporting the 4 x Performa3 F208 and C208 @ ear level.



Only regret is I didnt do this sooner. I cannot believe how holographic this is.



PM if anyone wants details on how to mount M105s to the ceiling. I told my installer he should call Revel and send them the schematic, ask for 10%.


If possible...I’d love to know how he mounted. I’ve scoured the internet looking for bookshelf mounting options.

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I would go with the Revel option. With good subs, you don't need the big Golden Ear Triton's and you can get Revel F208's for less than the Golden Ear's. The Revel C208 is an excellent center channel speaker, C763L's are what pro A/V sound mixers use. Anthem recently updated ARC (room correction). Many folks prefer it over Audyssey (Marantz).

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I would consider the F208's if my dealer discounts them enough, but is it worth the upgrade over the F206's if I'll be using dual subs? I know from an aesthetics standpoint, the F208's would look much nicer in my living room.


It's probably a good thing that Revel hasn't come out with a PerformaBe center channel, or I'd probably have to consider spending a bit more. When I was shopping for my den 10 years ago, I had demo'd speakers at Best Buy first, and then went to the high-end audio store once I had a system in mind. I dealt with the owner of the store and when I told him my budget, he recommended a much nicer system. I think my system retailed for about $6k at the time, but he charged me only $3k plus a few hundred for tax, cables, etc.


I'm thinking the Revels would be deeply discounted because they've been out for 6 years vs. the Triton One.R's, which just came this year. Which brings me back to my first question. Would the only benefit of the F208 vs. F206 be in 2.0 channel music?


Also, the post above had me thinking: should I look into hanging surround speakers from the ceiling (i.e. s206/m105/m106), or would the C763L's be a better choice even with 4 Atmos in-ceiling speakers?
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Even with a sub a bit of extra bass and higher compression (power, volume) levels can help. Crossovers do not fall off instantaneously above and below the crossover frequency; there can still be significant energy an octave away. You also gain a bit of height and a bit wider baffle for arguably better dispersion. All of that will help (improve) any sound going through them, music or movies. And aesthetics, while should probably not dominate your decision, are not unimportant either. You are likely going to be living with them for a long time so that might as well look as good as they sound.

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I did like my F206's (enough to upgrade a bit higher in the Revel line).
Understatement of the month?
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I may be in the market pretty soon for a new TV and speakers for my living. After my home renovation, the kitchen, dining room, and living room will all be open to each other (approximately 19'x37'x8' space). I don't want to go crazy because it's not a dedicated home theater, but I'd like this to be better than what I have in my den (definitive technology mythos 2s L/R, procenter 2000, bipole surrounds, and a Martin Logan Dynamo 700 sub hooked up to an Integra 40.1 receiver; my den is approximately 20'x15.25'x8'). I'd like a 5.1.4 system, but I'd consider 7.1.4, particularly because the surrounds will be only a few degrees behind the listening position. Rear surrounds would fit in the ceiling 4' behind the surrounds. Based on the layout, I have to get in-ceiling surrounds. I'd say my listening will be 5% music, 95% TV and movies. I've narrowed my top 2 5.1.4 systems on paper (no listening yet) to the following:


Revel Performa3 F206 towers - $3,500
C208 center speaker - $2,000
C763L for surrounds - $1,500
C363 x 4 for Atmos - $1,000
Dual SVS SB-3000 subs - $1,900
————————————————
$9,900




GoldenEar Triton One.R towers - $6,000
SuperCenter Reference center - $1,500
HTR 7000 for surrounds - $1,000
Invisia 525 x 4 for Atmos - $1,000
————————————————
$9,500


I haven't done too much research on receivers, but I'm leaning towards the Marantz SR8012 ($3k) or the Anthem MRX 1120 ($3,500).



My two questions are 1) what do you think of the choices, and 2) would a sealed sub integrate well with the F206 towers given that the towers have a bass-reflex port? Although the pb3000 would put out more and lower bass, I assume it would do so at the cost of a lot of rattles from the connected kitchen. I could also use the $800 in savings towards rear surrounds and I could always trade in the sb3000s for the pb3000s at the end of the first year thanks to SVS's wonderful trade-up policy.


I plan on posting this in both the Revel and GoldenEar forums to see how responses differ.


Thanks!

I have a similarly sized and open living room / dining room / kitchen set up. The only difference is that my living room dining room has a shallow cathederal ceiling that peaks at 10 ft.


I have a Revel Marantz system (detail in my signature) and can listen to it all day.


Here are my thoughts on your questions above and the follow ups from you post this morning:


1. I would upgrade you atmos speakers in either system to the C763L or the HTR 7000. Both are significantly better than the options you mention. Also, because they are angled, you can better target the sweet spot while also getting a larger sweet spot. This will be important in a large room with an 8' ceiling.

In my room, not a lot of correction is needed, and I even prefer two channel with none. The newer Audyssey allows you to limit the range of correction, so I'm not sure there is that much advantage to the Anthem any more, but I've not used it. The Marantz also offers Heos, which is an amazingly simple way to stream music to the main room and other rooms. By amazingly simple, I mean my wife picked it up on the first try and uses it in her office the master bedroom and back yard with no problems.

Revel vs Goldenear - listen to both, because your opinion matters the most. I chose Revel, but the Goldenears that I heard didn't suck. I put HTR 7000's in my wife's office, and people are stunned by the soundstage they throw and the sound quality for the price and for in ceilings. Standalone, they are better in ceilings than the C763L's. That said, pick one brand for your room, as seamless sonic integration is important for Atmos.


2. I have a sealed Rythmik sub with ported fronts, and it integrates with no issue.


3. If the 208's look better to you in your room - get them - otherwise you will always regret it. That's just life...


4. Hanging speakers from the ceiling - with an 8 foot ceiling: I would only consider something like an S16 that is relatively shallow and designed for flush mounting. If you try to hang M105's or M106's from an 8' ceiling, someone is going to bang their head. However, if you use an S16, you're not going to be able to aim it toward the sweetspot, like a C763L.

5. Remodeling - while you have the ceilings and walls open, put in the extra wiring for extra surrounds, even heights, other rooms and out doors if those walls are open. Wire is cheap and you'll almost always see patches if you add something later.


Good luck with your research.


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I may be in the market pretty soon for a new TV and speakers for my living. After my home renovation, the kitchen, dining room, and living room will all be open to each other (approximately 19'x37'x8' space). I don't want to go crazy because it's not a dedicated home theater, but I'd like this to be better than what I have in my den (definitive technology mythos 2s L/R, procenter 2000, bipole surrounds, and a Martin Logan Dynamo 700 sub hooked up to an Integra 40.1 receiver; my den is approximately 20'x15.25'x8'). I'd like a 5.1.4 system, but I'd consider 7.1.4, particularly because the surrounds will be only a few degrees behind the listening position. Rear surrounds would fit in the ceiling 4' behind the surrounds. Based on the layout, I have to get in-ceiling surrounds. I'd say my listening will be 5% music, 95% TV and movies. I've narrowed my top 2 5.1.4 systems on paper (no listening yet) to the following:


Revel Performa3 F206 towers - $3,500
C208 center speaker - $2,000
C763L for surrounds - $1,500
C363 x 4 for Atmos - $1,000
Dual SVS SB-3000 subs - $1,900
————————————————
$9,900




GoldenEar Triton One.R towers - $6,000
SuperCenter Reference center - $1,500
HTR 7000 for surrounds - $1,000
Invisia 525 x 4 for Atmos - $1,000
————————————————
$9,500


I haven't done too much research on receivers, but I'm leaning towards the Marantz SR8012 ($3k) or the Anthem MRX 1120 ($3,500).



My two questions are 1) what do you think of the choices, and 2) would a sealed sub integrate well with the F206 towers given that the towers have a bass-reflex port? Although the pb3000 would put out more and lower bass, I assume it would do so at the cost of a lot of rattles from the connected kitchen. I could also use the $800 in savings towards rear surrounds and I could always trade in the sb3000s for the pb3000s at the end of the first year thanks to SVS's wonderful trade-up policy.


I plan on posting this in both the Revel and GoldenEar forums to see how responses differ.


Thanks!

I used a sealed sub with the f206 and didn't have any issues.


Also, the Denon 8500 is considered the flagship receiver of the denon/marantz family, so may be a more apt comparison with the anthem 1120
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I'd also love to know as well please?
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I haven't done too much research on receivers, but I'm leaning towards the Marantz SR8012 ($3k) or the Anthem MRX 1120 ($3,500).
If you are leaning toward the Anthem, now is a great time to buy. You can trade in any old junk receiver and get 20% off. Promotion ends this Friday, though.
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If you are leaning toward the Anthem, now is a great time to buy. You can trade in any old junk receiver and get 20% off. Promotion ends this Friday, though.
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I really like Anthem, but I don't think I'd spend over $1k to upgrade my Integra 40.1 to the Anthem MRX 520 in a room that I hardly use anymore. I'd also have to figure out how to hook up the Wii for my kids. It uses component video cables, which Anthem doesn't support. I mostly watch TV on a 24" LCD in my kitchen while I'm on my laptop, or in my bedroom where I have a 43" plasma hooked up to a 5.0 Sonos system. That's why I want my living room to be the main media room.


For the living room, I am now considering separates. I'll have to see what my audio guy suggests, but I'm leaning towards the Marantz 8805/7705 and an Emotiva xpa-11. Anthem needs to update the AVM 60.
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Can someone recommend a stand for white Revel M16 bookshelf speakers? The official stands are $250/pair, which seems unreasonable to me, and they only come in black. Ideally the stands would support the screw holes of the M16 speakers.

Before paying that much for stands I would likely just get F35 floorstanders instead, even if I don't really need them.
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I really like Anthem, but I don't think I'd spend over $1k to upgrade my Integra 40.1 to the Anthem MRX 520 in a room that I hardly use anymore. I'd also have to figure out how to hook up the Wii for my kids. It uses component video cables, which Anthem doesn't support. I mostly watch TV on a 24" LCD in my kitchen while I'm on my laptop, or in my bedroom where I have a 43" plasma hooked up to a 5.0 Sonos system. That's why I want my living room to be the main media room.


For the living room, I am now considering separates. I'll have to see what my audio guy suggests, but I'm leaning towards the Marantz 8805/7705 and an Emotiva xpa-11. Anthem needs to update the AVM 60.
Not quite understanding what you're trying to do and how big your budget is.

You've mentioned:
- Anthem 1120 (MSRP $3499)
- Anthem MRX 520 (MSRP $1399)
- Anthem AVM 60 (MSRP 2999)
- Marantz 8805 (MSRP $4499.99)
- Marantz (MSRP 2199.99)

You mentioned that Anthem needs to upgrade the AVM 60. What is missing that you are seeking?

It seems like there are good choices on that list. Can you clarify : what is your budget, what are you trying to accomplish?

Probably just me that's confused here.

Just one more upgrade and things will be perfect.
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Nope. I'm confused as well. I never said anything about a 520 or some other room. I was just saying that if he wanted the 1120 (or the AVM 60 for that matter), he could easily get one for 20% off right now.

I'm also not sure why he thinks the AVM 60 needs to be updated. There's nothing in widespread use that it doesn't support, and it just got a brand new room correction system as a free upgrade. The Marantz offers more channels, but it also costs significantly more. I don't think there's much demand for processors that support more than 7.x.4, so I doubt Anthem is going to chase that market. Plus, at 20% off, the AVM 60 plus an XPA-11 cost about the same as the Marantz.
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^Thanks for the sanity check.

Before continuing, full disclosure: I have an Anthem AVM 60 in my main system and an MRX 520 in a second system (exercise room aka "basement" ).

It's true that there are things Anthem gear doesn't have:
- No component video support
- No composite video support
- No balanced cable inputs
- No AM tuner
- No video scaling
- No special audio modes such as stadium, jazz, rock concert, etc. (but it does have AnthemLogic)
- No support for independent configuration of multiple subs and only 2 sub connections

While I personally haven't found any of these to be a problem, IMO a potential buyer should verify the connections needed are supported as part of pre-purchase due diligence.

Agreed on the price timing. It's a good time to buy Anthem gear if that's on anybody's short list.

The only things I can think of that are missing that seem likely to be issues some day:
- No HDMI 2.1 support
- No eARC support
- No 8K passthru
It's not clear what ATSC 3.0 will mean outside of TVs and outboard tuner boxes, either.

Just one more upgrade and things will be perfect.
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Not quite understanding what you're trying to do and how big your budget is.

You've mentioned:
- Anthem 1120 (MSRP $3499)
- Anthem MRX 520 (MSRP $1399)
- Anthem AVM 60 (MSRP 2999)
- Marantz 8805 (MSRP $4499.99)
- Marantz (MSRP 2199.99)

You mentioned that Anthem needs to upgrade the AVM 60. What is missing that you are seeking?

It seems like there are good choices on that list. Can you clarify : what is your budget, what are you trying to accomplish?

Probably just me that's confused here.
Sorry for the confusion, it's definitely my fault. In my den, I have a 5.1 system hooked up to an Integra 40.1 receiver. My living room, on the other hand, is a blank canvass.

In my original post (# 15061), I said I was leaning towards the Marantz SR8012 ($3k) or the Anthem MRX 1120 ($3,500) receivers for my living room. In post # 15073, @kansashoops quoted me and advised, "You can trade in any old junk receiver and get 20% off [a select Anthem product]."

Here's the part I left out that led to confusion: If I trade in my Integra 40.1, it would be to upgrade the receiver in my den. That's why I mentioned the MRX 520; all I need is 5.1 in my den. I would still need something in my living room. After reading replies and doing some research, I decided I may go the separates route, which is why I mentioned the Marantz 8805/7705 and Anthem AVM60.

My budget for the living room is $15k including a new TV. I haven't even started researching TVs yet!
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Heard Both the triton setup, would be the best between the two.

That said an equaivalent setup could be build much less than both of those.
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Here's the part I left out that led to confusion: If I trade in my Integra 40.1, it would be to upgrade the receiver in my den.
You don't need to trade in the Integra. You could trade in any junk receiver, even one purchased for $10 at Goodwill. They might even take an old VCR or DVD player. Not sure. The promotion just says "electronics" ("ANY brand of electronics will get you at least 20% OFF your new Anthem product, even ones that you've loved too much and are damaged.")
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Sorry for the confusion, it's definitely my fault. In my den, I have a 5.1 system hooked up to an Integra 40.1 receiver. My living room, on the other hand, is a blank canvass.

In my original post (# 15061), I said I was leaning towards the Marantz SR8012 ($3k) or the Anthem MRX 1120 ($3,500) receivers for my living room. In post # 15073, @kansashoops quoted me and advised, "You can trade in any old junk receiver and get 20% off [a select Anthem product]."

Here's the part I left out that led to confusion: If I trade in my Integra 40.1, it would be to upgrade the receiver in my den. That's why I mentioned the MRX 520; all I need is 5.1 in my den. I would still need something in my living room. After reading replies and doing some research, I decided I may go the separates route, which is why I mentioned the Marantz 8805/7705 and Anthem AVM60.

My budget for the living room is $15k including a new TV. I haven't even started researching TVs yet!
Thanks for the reference back to the post. That definitely helped. 15k is a nice budget and now your choices for systems make more sense.

FWIW I have Anthem and Revel gear and they play nice together. Some specifics:
- Main system: Anthem AVM 60 processor + Anthem A5 amp + Revel F208's + C208 + M106's in a 5.1.0 configuration.
- Second system: Anthem MRX 520 + Revel C205 + M106's in a 3.0 configuration.

I did listen to GEs (t-ref, ones) about a year ago and found I liked the Revel suite better... but definitely YMMV. Haven't had a chance to listen to the One.R's yet.

Here's my $0.02 FWIW.

It's probably a good idea to do a couple of things right away.
1) Go listen to those speakers, preferably at a couple of different vendors. Figure out which speakers you like best.
2) Consider the data and professional reviews of the speakers. It may or may not change your opinion but it's another data point.
3) Draft a complete system layout with speakers, AVR / processor + amp, TV, etc. It will be a moving target for a while and that's OK. Share it in these forums and solicit ideas. Lots of really smart people on AVS willing to help.

On the audio, classic advice is that the top 3 items impacting sound quality are source material, speakers, and the room. If you have to choose between speakers and electronics, speakers make a bigger difference. Some acoustic treatment is also a good idea. I worked with GIK Acoustics and they were great... not too pricey, either.

Also on the speaker front, definitely ask different vendors for quotes. You may be surprised at the responses. People here will likely contact you with specific companies that have worked well for them. That can be very helpful on the budget side.

If it works in your case, consider b-stock speakers, too. Can't speak to GE but with Revel, b-stock speakers have some fairly minor blemish but are sonically perfect... at a significant discount. That could affect what you select for speakers and electronics, i.e. save in one area and spend more elsewhere.

That's the initial brain dump. Hoping it wasn't TMI.

Just one more upgrade and things will be perfect.
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If you are leaning toward the Anthem, now is a great time to buy. You can trade in any old junk receiver and get 20% off. Promotion ends this Friday, though.
https://www.anthemav.com/tradeup-spring/
Thanks so much for the heads up on the Anthem deal.
I've been saving for the STR Pre-Amp and this takes care of a nice chunk of that.
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Thanks so much for the heads up on the Anthem deal.
I've been saving for the STR Pre-Amp and this takes care of a nice chunk of that.
Glad to help. If you miss out on the trade-in event, keep your eye on this eBay store. It's run by the manufacturer, and they sometimes sell "refurbished" Paradigm and Anthem items at terrific prices. I bought my AVM 60 from them late last year. It was listed as refurbished, but it was brand new. I made them a low ball best offer that they accepted, so I ended up paying substantially less than I would have if I had waited for the spring trade-in event. For several months they had AVM 60's and MRX series receivers listed, but they don't have much listed right now.

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Glad to help. If you miss out on the trade-in event, keep your eye on this eBay store. It's run by the manufacturer, and they sometimes sell "refurbished" Paradigm and Anthem items at terrific prices. I bought my AVM 60 from them late last year. It was listed as refurbished, but it was brand new. I made them a low ball best offer that they accepted, so I ended up paying substantially less than I would have if I had waited for the spring trade-in event. For several months they had AVM 60's and MRX series receivers listed, but they don't have much listed right now.
Yeah the trade-up ends tomorrow EOB. Yikes.
Called a local Anthem dealer, super nice people, and placed an order for a black STR Pre-Amp.
Not the closest dealer but I'm not too fond of the other dealer. Rather give my money to a smaller, single shop.
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Sorry for the confusion, it's definitely my fault. In my den, I have a 5.1 system hooked up to an Integra 40.1 receiver. My living room, on the other hand, is a blank canvass.

In my original post (# 15061), I said I was leaning towards the Marantz SR8012 ($3k) or the Anthem MRX 1120 ($3,500) receivers for my living room. In post # 15073, @kansashoops quoted me and advised, "You can trade in any old junk receiver and get 20% off [a select Anthem product]."

Here's the part I left out that led to confusion: If I trade in my Integra 40.1, it would be to upgrade the receiver in my den. That's why I mentioned the MRX 520; all I need is 5.1 in my den. I would still need something in my living room. After reading replies and doing some research, I decided I may go the separates route, which is why I mentioned the Marantz 8805/7705 and Anthem AVM60.

My budget for the living room is $15k including a new TV. I haven't even started researching TVs yet!
A 20% discount on an AVR or processor is not something that requires a trade-in; if you contact one of the many Marantz dealers found in the Marantz 8805 Owners’ thread you’ll be pleased with pricing. I bought all of my Revels (13 and counting), JVC RS500U projector, and my Marantz 8805 from the same dealer who frequents these threads, his pricing is excellent. PM me and I’ll share some details on how I saved a lot of $. I’m not a dealer, just a happy customer. He also sells Golden Ear, it’s definitely worth looking into.
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I finally made it to a store to listen to the GE Triton One.R's and Revel F208's. The sales guy said that the One.R's are slightly better because of the integrated subs. Another benefit that I didn't realize is that with powered integrated subs, phase is not an issue (or so he said). After I explained that my room will be over 5,000 cu. ft. and that I'll be using the system mostly for home theater, he said the Revels plus dual SVS PB-3000's would probably be better in my space. The only reason to get the SB-3000's, he said for home theater, is WAF and to save a few hundred dollars ($800 less MSRP).



The speakers were hooked up to a $6k McIntosh integrated amp and I listened to four different songs streamed from a tablet. What struck me first was how much taller the One.R's are compared to the F208's (7.5" taller), yet the F208's are over twice as wide in the front (13.5" vs 5.75"). It's one thing to know the dimensions of something on paper, but to see it in person is a lot different.



Sitting down, the tweeters of the F208 seemed more aligned with my ears than the One.R's. I listened to the One.R's first. They sounded great, but they weren't optimally spaced/angled. Next I listened to the same four songs with the F208, which were right next to the One.R's, but I was better centered to the F208's. For me, the F208's were more detailed and airy. I was impressed with the bass, but obviously they don't hold a candle to the subs in the One.R. After listening to both pairs one more time, I favored the F208's.


At that point it finally dawned on me to listen to music that I am familiar with. I had the sales guy put on Somebody to Love by Queen. This time I had him move the right One.R to the other side of the F208 so that the One.R's were spread out more and toed in a little more (picture attached). I was a lot more impressed with the One.R's, but it was hard to tell if it due to the positioning or because I was hearing a song I love on really great speakers. I wanted to listen to it even louder, although I didn't touch the volume knob. Switching to the F208's, they sounded very detailed with slightly better highs, but the F208's lacked bass. For that track with towers alone, I preferred the One.R's. Matched to dual SVS PB-3000's, I'm sure I'd prefer the Revels. For home theater, the dual SVS PB-3000's should do a better job filling the room with deep bass.



So after my first audition, the Revels are in a comfortable lead. What threw me off though was when the owner of the store said not to get C763L's because they are an old design and I'm better off with C563DT's for the surrounds and rear Atmos and Paradigm CI Home H65-A in-ceiling speakers for the front Atmos, which both the woofer and tweeter are angled 30 degrees. The guys in the store are big proponents of diffuse sound coming from behind you and they maintain that there's really no timbre issues with overhead speakers.


With respect to a pre/pro + amp vs. receiver, they recommended the Anthem MRX 1120. They said it's a phenomenal receiver. Separates would cost significantly more (over $1k) without making much difference to the sound.



He wrote down everything and will get back to me on Monday with a quote!
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I finally made it to a store to listen to the GE Triton One.R's and Revel F208's. The sales guy said that the One.R's are slightly better because of the integrated subs. Another benefit that I didn't realize is that with powered integrated subs, phase is not an issue (or so he said). After I explained that my room will be over 5,000 cu. ft. and that I'll be using the system mostly for home theater, he said the Revels plus dual SVS PB-3000's would probably be better in my space. The only reason to get the SB-3000's, he said for home theater, is WAF and to save a few hundred dollars ($800 less MSRP).



The speakers were hooked up to a $6k McIntosh integrated amp and I listened to four different songs streamed from a tablet. What struck me first was how much taller the One.R's are compared to the F208's (7.5" taller), yet the F208's are over twice as wide in the front (13.5" vs 5.75"). It's one thing to know the dimensions of something on paper, but to see it in person is a lot different.



Sitting down, the tweeters of the F208 seemed more aligned with my ears than the One.R's. I listened to the One.R's first. They sounded great, but they weren't optimally spaced/angled. Next I listened to the same four songs with the F208, which were right next to the One.R's, but I was better centered to the F208's. For me, the F208's were more detailed and airy. I was impressed with the bass, but obviously they don't hold a candle to the subs in the One.R. After listening to both pairs one more time, I favored the F208's.


At that point it finally dawned on me to listen to music that I am familiar with. I had the sales guy put on Somebody to Love by Queen. This time I had him move the right One.R to the other side of the F208 so that the One.R's were spread out more and toed in a little more (picture attached). I was a lot more impressed with the One.R's, but it was hard to tell if it due to the positioning or because I was hearing a song I love on really great speakers. I wanted to listen to it even louder, although I didn't touch the volume knob. Switching to the F208's, they sounded very detailed with slightly better highs, but the F208's lacked bass. For that track with towers alone, I preferred the One.R's. Matched to dual SVS PB-3000's, I'm sure I'd prefer the Revels. For home theater, the dual SVS PB-3000's should do a better job filling the room with deep bass.



So after my first audition, the Revels are in a comfortable lead. What threw me off though was when the owner of the store said not to get C763L's because they are an old design and I'm better off with C563DT's for the surrounds and rear Atmos and Paradigm CI Home H65-A in-ceiling speakers for the front Atmos, which both the woofer and tweeter are angled 30 degrees. The guys in the store are big proponents of diffuse sound coming from behind you and they maintain that there's really no timbre issues with overhead speakers.


With respect to a pre/pro + amp vs. receiver, they recommended the Anthem MRX 1120. They said it's a phenomenal receiver. Separates would cost significantly more (over $1k) without making much difference to the sound.



He wrote down everything and will get back to me on Monday with a quote!


the picture is interesting to see the physical difference between the two
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