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Update on the comparison speaker. I said goodbye to the Salon2's as they were picked by the freight company all strapped on the pallet and on their way to a new home. As I said before, if I had a better sounding room, I would have kept them. But the 228Be and the 226Be's sounded sooooooooo incredible in combo with some room correction. Yea, I've heard better. But a solid B++ kind of sound using "inexpensive" electronics.

But I have to drop one more pair. So I sat down listening to track after track after track for 4 hours. I thoroughly enjoyed my time listening with a couple of glasses of white Pinot Noir. A couple of noted points. I gave the Arcam some grief about messing up the distances (left speaker and right speaker were off several feet off). And during our listening session on Monday night, I could hear a shift (voices towards the left side). More bugs, right? Well some idiot (me) clicked the internal mic versus the Arcam mic. Operator error/incompetence. I will correct that post.

I switched the 228Be and 226Be back and forth multiple time. And I kept on coming to the same conclusion in my larger asymmetrical room with some slight reverb (more noticeable when I crank it) sounded too close. Might I say a tie? Now I am not saying they sound the same (bottom end). I am saying in my room I don't care. I'm a capitalist. I'd love to say "the 228Be definitely sounds better". But I can't. I wonder if the larger motor assembly is so damn good on the 226Be that it is responsible for energizing the room with authority? Both speakers rolled off sharply at around 30Hz. This is in stark contrast when I compare a bookshelf speaker. Last year I tried the Be bookshelf. Even with a sub/sat combo, it was at least a letter grade inferior on the bottom end. Complements of my larger room.

So the 228Be's are next to be booted out of the house and into the garage. Now my mind wandered. I had the F206's a couple years back. My flawed audio memory thought they didn't have enough impact. Maybe the difference was the 226 drivers are showing their prowess over the 206 drivers? Or maybe my memory is so flawed. Still. I think it would be fun to re-compare. I was going to bring in another F36 Concerta 2 for the loft. But maybe the walnut F206 might be the ticket. Then I can compare and see how far off my memory was. So I decided to place an order today. I would like to also try the F208's for fun. But I know the speaker is too large for where I am parking my rolling rack and needing to have the speakers closer to the front wall. And it is a PITA to box and re-box.

Putting it another way, I factually heard a pretty big bottom difference between the F206 and F208 in this same room. Yet, I didn't hear a difference worth noting on the F226Be and F228Be in my room. Could it be the drivers? Or was it my flawed audio memory? Hence, the F206 order was placed.
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I thoroughly enjoyed my time listening with a couple of glasses of white Pinot Noir. ..............................
Putting it another way, I factually heard a pretty big bottom difference between the F206 and F208 in this same room. Yet, I didn't hear a difference worth noting on the F226Be and F228Be in my room. Could it be the drivers? Or was it my flawed audio memory?
Try it with red Pinot Noir next time.
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SteveH, guessing the speakers had the white finish, hence the good pairing with that White Pinot Noir? If you do wind up with that walnut finish with all of those red notes, a red wine can work well. My Revels are black, and they seem to go well with everything, though further testing is planned just to be sure.
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Mine are in black, mahogany, and walnut finishes. As the science clearly shows, they are quite neutral, and thus pair well with white, blush, red and everything else quite nicely. Even my preference of Scotch (single malt, though blended is OK) and bourbon. Alas, they seem to be less tolerant of beer, though will respond well to a good light wheat or dark lager. Less tolerant of the cheap stuff, as they will expose the flaws in any poor vintage.

Crud, now I'm getting thirsty, for "the good stuff".
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My pair of F36 and matching C25 center channel arrived today. Piano gloss black. Packaging was exceptionally good, right down to the soft cloth bag as the final layer enclosing the speakers. They are beautiful in person with all nicely rounded edges, curved sides that make the speakers appear deceptively small/shallow from the listening area. The speakers really look like they are 5 or 6" deep due to the curved sides which really minimizes their impact on the room aesthetically. Zero fasteners or screws showing on the baffle....a very clean and elegant design....does *not* look like their entry level line of speakers.

I unplugged my old speakers and plugged these in...despite the very substantial handicap of using the old Audysey calibration, they sound surprisingly good. I look forward to running Audysey to set them up properly. It's time consuming though, especially if I take the time to get the subs dialed in properly. Life has been busy lately so maybe I'll take my time and do it right this weekend.

The F36 checked all the boxes for me....great looks, the right price point for me, one of the highest sensitivity speakers in Revels lineup along with good power handling to help meet my demands for home theater, lots of cone area for low frequency capability, and what I hope will turn out to be a nice, seamless, very spacious sounding front stage. So far happy with how they sound but I'm not giving my final impression until I have them properly setup. Haven't tried them full range yet but honestly have no desire to do so. Would be meaningless.

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Congrats! Always fun when new gear arrives.
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I'm interested in your (bear123) perspective. I've seen you in the PSA speaker and sub threads. I had a set of PSA speakers (110 and 210c). I ended up returning them for another sub instead. I'm not a fan of the compression tweeter. I came across the Revel line and am happy with the F206s, C208, W763s, and C363s.
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I'm interested in your (bear123) perspective. I've seen you in the PSA speaker and sub threads. I had a set of PSA speakers (110 and 210c). I ended up returning them for another sub instead. I'm not a fan of the compression tweeter. I came across the Revel line and am happy with the F206s, C208, W763s, and C363s.
I'm still a very big fan of the PSA speakers for anyone who has a heavily weighted home theater usage....they are the right tool for the job. I am very limited on space for my center channel, which rules out PSA, and I am probably 90% music/10% movies so I decided to give up some home theater capability in order to focus on a more music oriented system that can serve reasonably well for home theater.

At the least, I will try to give some feedback once I have them setup properly. Eventually, I would like to do some A/B blind testing with one or two other speakers to compare if I find the time and ability to setup for testing. It will be a wide dispersion vs controlled directivity comparison.
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I'm still a very big fan of the PSA speakers for anyone who has a heavily weighted home theater usage....they are the right tool for the job. I am very limited on space for my center channel, which rules out PSA, and I am probably 90% music/10% movies so I decided to give up some home theater capability in order to focus on a more music oriented system that can serve reasonably well for home theater.



At the least, I will try to give some feedback once I have them setup properly. Eventually, I would like to do some A/B blind testing with one or two other speakers to compare if I find the time and ability to setup for testing. It will be a wide dispersion vs controlled directivity comparison.
I know this is a revel thread, but why do you say PSA are better for movies?

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I'd love to get 3 AHB2 amps, one for each of the L,C,R. I think that would be ideal. But of course I need to consider the financial side of the equation. I've looked at the Nord amps that use the Hypex NC500 that @bear123 pointed to in his response. Pretty cool design where a Class A current is fed into the Hypex NC500 module. They have a 3 channel version (NC500 MKII, a true triple mono design) that seems like a very good value. Not on the same level as the AHB2 amps but perhaps they might fit my need as well as my wallet better. They certainly seem to have the power (400 watts pc into 8ohms) and claim they can even drive difficult loads (e.g. a Voice2 should I go that way). Need some think time on this one.
The NAD M27 is another very good value. Its 2-channel sibling the M22 was reviewed and measured by Stereophile: https://www.stereophile.com/content/...r-measurements, and the M27 was looked at by ASR, as well: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/f...-pwr-amp.9036/. You could always bi-amp, if your speakers permit and you want to feel like you're getting your money's worth :-)

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Hi! I've done some searching and I haven't been able to find a description of what the Low Frequency Compensation Boundary mode switch does for the C208, in terms of data and mechanics. Can anyone help clear that up for me? I'm guessing it lowers the bass in a frequency band to potentially compensate from gain by being placed next to a boundary, but it would be nice to know how much we are talking about here!
Hi, I found this for the F208 (https://hometheaterhifi.com/wp-conte...-bench3-lg.jpg), which I imagine has some similarities in design. I hope that it at least gives some idea:

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I know this is a revel thread, but why do you say PSA are better for movies? Looking at an f208 c208 setup, and I'm all movies. Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk
I use F208/C208/F206 for a 5.1 system. They are fantastic speakers and sound great for both movies and music. John Schuermann has both Salon2/Voice2 and JBL SCL-2s for the front L/C/R. He has used LSR 708's for surround but is changing to Gem2's. Here's what he told me recently:

"I spent about a year listening to the 708s. M2 definitely sounds more open and spacious, SCLs even more open and spacious. The 708 is the "driest" speaker of the bunch (which is why I ended up switching to SCL2s and Revels, especially after the M2 and Salon2 shootout). Definitely more direct sound on the 708 vs. the others, giving treble a "harder" edge on certain instruments (particularly strings). I will be replacing the 708's with Revel Gem2s soon."

Some people feel compression drivers are better for movies if they are in large rooms and want to achieve reference level. My system can play plenty loud and I don't notice power power compression.
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I just read through Home Theater HiFi's review of the F228Be. The reviewer compared the spins of the F228Be and F208.

If you don't want to click the link, here's what the author had to say:

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When compared, note that the drop in energy at the midrange-tweeter crossover in the early reflection and sound power of the F208. We also see the corresponding bump in the early reflection and sound power directivity index that is absent in the F228Be.

The additional bump in the early reflecting and sound power curves at 6kHz is also gone in the F228Be curve set although some excess energy can be seen in the listening window that is not as significant in the F208. The 6kHz energy bump in the F208 is lower than the rest of the family (M105, M106, and F206) indicative of a selected tweeter for the F208. You can see the bump in the data in my M106 review.

In the F228Be the new waveguide and tweeter have removed the 6kHz bump off the graph.

While the F228Be is clearly improved, the F208 at half the price still produces an excellent ANSI/CEA-2034 curve set. In my opinion, if the F228Be is out of your budget the Revel F208 remains a speaker you must hear if you have $5000 to spend.

I (David Rich) still consider it the best speaker I have auditioned in my house.

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^An interesting read. Thanks for the link.


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I was looking for some pictures and ran across some drivers that were on display at the Munich HiFi Show. On the left, the Performa3 tweeter. On the right, the impressive Be tweeter assembly. The lesson here is that you don't want to blow the Performa Be tweeter. I predict it is spendy!.

On another note, my 206 demos for the pending comparison were finally shipped today. I'm off to Nashville tomorrow to pay a visit to Emotiva. I will crack the 206's open when I return. I'm looking forward to hear what the tweeter comparison means to my ear.
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BTW I have f208s closer than couple of feets to the wall but do not feel tempted yet to switch them to the boundary position, will see what Rew shows in the next few days
I just tried all possible settings and chose what I liked best. It's ultimately really about nothing more than that.
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I was looking for some pictures and ran across some drivers that were on display at the Munich HiFi Show. On the left, the Performa3 tweeter. On the right, the impressive Be tweeter assembly. The lesson here is that you don't want to blow the Performa Be tweeter. I predict it is spendy!.



On another note, my 206 demos for the pending comparison were finally shipped today. I'm off to Nashville tomorrow to pay a visit to Emotiva. I will crack the 206's open when I return. I'm looking forward to hear what the tweeter comparison means to my ear.
Looking forward to your impressions and comparison between aluminium and berillium.
BTW I wonder what was music material you listened to at that Munich show when 228be sounded harsh?

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Revel in comparison to any other brand has a lot more credibility. Research with statistics. And a world class facility that can compare loudspeakers in the blind. What a novel concept.
FWIW, I recently purchased a front trio of Revel F208s/C208 from Rex, and since then I've experienced enormous regret.

My regret is that I DIDN'T BUY THESE DAMNED THINGS SIX YEARS SOONER!!!!! They have transformed my listening experience in the most positive possible way.
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FWIW, I recently purchased a front trio of Revel F208s/C208 from Rex, and since then I've experienced enormous regret.



My regret is that I DIDN'T BUY THESE DAMNED THINGS TEN YEARS SOONER!!!!! They have transformed my listening experience in the most positive possible way.
What was serial numbers of your f208s? I wonder whether it is possible to determine what was manufacturing date of mine

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I'll check for you tomorrow, Vavan. They're new and I suspect that given the tendency for American business to favor short-schedule supply chains these days, they probably weren't built too long ago. Back atcha soon.
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Looking forward to your impressions and comparison between aluminium and berillium.
BTW I wonder what was music material you listened to at that Munich show when 228be sounded harsh?

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I did some googling to see if anyone gave feedback on the room. Nope, crickets. But this company uploaded the video on Youtube. I realize this probably was coming from a cheap cell phone. But this brought back some not-so-good audio memories. Scan to around 1:20 seconds. That's how I remember them at the show.

If we saw the hotel room measurements, it would help answer what was going on. Considering what I've heard at customers homes, other shows, etc, the issue was the room. It goes without saying no one would produce a speaker that sounded so harsh; especially Revel. I've found the Revel's to be very forgiving with room speaker placement. Based off of walking around the room, there were standing waves that sucked out a lot of the midbass (step up room was in back of the listening area). So my guess is that we were left with the top end which polluted the balance. But that's just a guess. That's why it is dangerous for people to pick speakers based off of what they hear at audio shows.

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I did some googling to see if anyone gave feedback on the room. Nope, crickets. But this company uploaded the video on Youtube from the very day that I attended. I realize this probably was coming from a cheap phone phone. But this brought back some not-so-good audio memories. Scan to around 1:20 seconds. That's how I remember them at the show. Like I said, they would sell zero per year if that's what the speakers sounded like. If we saw the room measurements, that would point to the culprit.



See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS6FpmBXXTc
Do you (or anyone here) happen to have some tidal playlist demonstrating how good (and/or bad) f208s can sound?

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Do you (or anyone here) happen to have some tidal playlist demonstrating how good (and/or bad) f208s can sound?

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Back in the day, I collected all kinds of CD's from speaker vendors that cherry picked songs to show off their speaker. Here is one of many examples: DALI's CD's https://www.dali-speakers.com/music/the-dali-cds/ . Click on the C-D and they show what songs are on the disk. I ripped them and created a folder.
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Just placed an order for F226Be in white...
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Does anyone happen to have in room rew measurements of their f208s?

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I was looking for some pictures and ran across some drivers that were on display at the Munich HiFi Show. On the left, the Performa3 tweeter. On the right, the impressive Be tweeter assembly. The lesson here is that you don't want to blow the Performa Be tweeter. I predict it is spendy!.

On another note, my 206 demos for the pending comparison were finally shipped today. I'm off to Nashville tomorrow to pay a visit to Emotiva. I will crack the 206's open when I return. I'm looking forward to hear what the tweeter comparison means to my ear.
I am happy for you, and of course respect all of your posts and insights, but that in bold was a very poor choice of words IMO... I shiver for them.
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I am happy for you, and of course respect all of your posts and insights, but that in bold was a very poor choice of words IMO... I shiver for them.
I’ve been in Barcelona for two weeks and it sounds like some of the language term differences I’ve been getting.

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I'll check for you tomorrow, Vavan. They're new and I suspect that given the tendency for American business to favor short-schedule supply chains these days, they probably weren't built too long ago. Back atcha soon.
Hi vavan!!!

Finally getting back to you. My F208s serials are in the 00019XX range and the C208 is in the 00004xx range. The C208 was shipping directly from Revel just a couple weeks ago, so it is the newer speaker. I hope that helps you.

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Hi vavan!!!



Finally getting back to you. My F208s serials are in the 00019XX range and the C208 is in the 00004xx range. The C208 was shipping directly from Revel just a couple weeks ago, so it is the newer speaker. I hope that helps you.



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Does your f208 serial look like sb0009-ag0001278?
I hope "12" doesn't mean that mine were produced 7 years ago

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