Originally Posted by jkscherk
So my auditory memory of the 208 and 228 might be flawed, but I certainly do recall liking other things better when I last heard them. I preferred the 208 over the 228. Don't get me wrong.....they are great sounding speakers, but just not the choice I would make with my $.
However, the Salon2-A3 comparison was about as fair and accurate as you could be without having a double-blind setup in place. The comparison was done in the same room, with the same gear, at the same time. I literally had the two pairs side-by-side and simply moved the speaker cables back-and-forth between the two. You could argue that even that wasn't truly 100% correct because neither speaker pair stood alone in the correct position location while doing the evaluation. Sure. BUT......if any speaker needs to be in that situation to get the best out of it, I'd argue that it is TOO dependent in placement on getting it's best. I don't want something that would be THAT finicky.
Whether its the 'flatness' in the graphs/spec of the Salon or something else....I don't know. All I do know is they just did almost everything just a bit better than the Magico. I will also say you get what you put in them no matter what. They are UNFORGIVING of bad recordings or mixes. I think the Magicos had a tiny bit more forgiveness there.
If I had more $ and room, I'd be keeping both. :-)
Agreed with the bold statement above. You had them in the same room, same music, same gear, etc. You subjectively liked the Salon2's. I didn't question that portion of your post.
On the other hand, when you heard the the F208 and the F228Be's, they too needed to be in the same room on the same day etc etc. Putting it another way, in the blind and you preferred the the 208's, you would be the severe minority. Unless of course the engineers and research at Revel got it all wrong. That's not the case.
I too have heard the F228Be's sound less than ideal (per the video I posted at the 2018 Munich HiFi show). I've also heard the F208's sound not so good. I've concluded the biggest reason for me not liking a competently designed loudspeaker are three fold: 1. the room. 2. the room. And 3. the room. You get my point.
As I pointed out earlier, it's easy to make blunder. Even when I stripped away the Harman curve (subjective applied frequency voicing) by running Dirac. As I said when I later added it in, that and that alone could easily make people rotate a speaker selection. Because at the end of the day, we are taking about small nuances whereby passionate people are caring a lot about a detail or three.
It really would be fun to do a planned "field trip" out to Harman with a group of customers/passionate enthusiasts. I bet I could get it organized. I promise you it's eye opening
. I've visited a few times now and it's always worth the time. I've also performed multiple amp, preamp ABX tests in the blind. Again, it's eye opening to see what is real and imaginary.
I'm not tossing stones. I've heard massive improvements that were all in my head. Like the time I swapped out an old POS Vandersteen super small center channel with a C208. My customer and I heard a MASSIVE difference; the C208 was soooooooo much better. It wasn't close! Oh... He forgot to turn on the center channel amplifier switch with the C208.
Same room, same music, everything so I thought I did everything right. It happens to all of us even when we are convinced we did our due diligence.