Originally Posted by bear123
My only setup is also in my living room, but I am able to place my subs where they work pretty well. I’ll post my in room response later when I get home. I think the point of diminish returns hits very quickly, and although my AVR was only $600, I believe it is audibly as high fidelity as any equipment made when operated below clipping. Likewise for speakers/subs, I believe speakers 10X the price would be a marginal improvement at best.
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Originally Posted by bear123
There are many decisions that can more reliably be made based on facts rather than flawed subjective impressions that are affected by failure to level match, bias, etc.
I don't need to "hear" an audiophile amp to know that I can't "hear" amps....only the speakers, if the amp is audibly transparent. And I know that I won't hear the difference between the .005% distortion my amp produces compared to the distortion at, around, or lower than this from another much more expensive amp. I do know that when folks know they are listening to the shiny expensive amp, they will hear a difference even if the amp is not switched. I can accept the fact the human hearing is easily fooled by factors other than the actual sound being produced, and I choose to filter out these imaginary differences.
There are many examples of why it is unnecessary to experience something yourself to know it is true or not. I don't have to sail around the world to know it is round and not flat. Not having sailed around it is not proof that it isn't round.
The same goes for well designed amps being sonically indistinguishable from one another. I know there are poorly designed audiophile amps that intentionally use distortion and poor frequency response to color the sound; these are disqualified based on not being well designed amps.
If your Lexicon is well designed, eliminating the difference in sound that room correction will make....5 watts from your Marantz or 5 watts from the Lexicon will not sound any different in a valid comparison. Valid being level matched and blind so your bias does not affect what you think you hear.
Your highlighted statement (first one) is purely subjective, yet you say I am wrong for not using objective evidence.
I am well aware of all you have said about amps sounding the same. I am not totally convinced that is true. However, there is more to an AVR than an amp. I have not disputed your measurements as measurements speak for themselves. I also have no doubt that your system sounds great. i also believe that you might have some bias as most do.
I am not hung up on audiophile equipment. In fact I am satisfied with middle of the road priced equipment. I used an Onkyo 797 AVR and thought it sounded better on movies than the Marantz. I also would not have the Lexicon if I hadn't gotten a deal I could not refuse.
When listening to 2 channel music the Marantz produced a wide front stage. There was little to no separation of instruments. Bass just sounded like, well, bass. The R9 has much better separation of instruments. Front stage is wide. Bass notes are more articulate and natural sounding. Movies are much more immersive with the R9.
I ran DIRAC in a half fast manner just to get a feel of it. This is the first time I have left RC turned on. IMO XT32 can't compare.
I realize you are reciting all that you have read (probably for years). If those thoughts make you happy that is great.
OTH I have found that listening to equipment in home in a relaxed manner is much different than switching back and forth trying do identify differences.