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Thanks for the quick reply Rex! I know that the C763L is not aimable, but the manual for the C763 says that it is. (Page 6 of manual here: https://www.revelspeakers.com/on/dem..._OM_050712.pdf)

In your post from some time ago, you said that this was not correct (https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-sp...l#post58018018)

I understand that the C763L is the "reference" Atmos speaker, but I may not have room for them. Do you know for sure if the tweeter on the C763 is aimable(or not), and if so, by how much?

Sorry, I mis-read your post (C763L vs C763). Looking at the manual for the C763, it appears the tweeter is on a swivel and can thus be aimed to some degree, I don't know how much. Sorry I missed that previously. So many details, so many different models....
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Thanks for the quick reply Rex! I know that the C763L is not aimable, but the manual for the C763 says that it is. (Page 6 of manual here: https://www.revelspeakers.com/on/dem..._OM_050712.pdf)

In your post from some time ago, you said that this was not correct (https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-sp...l#post58018018)

I understand that the C763L is the "reference" Atmos speaker, but I may not have room for them. Do you know for sure if the tweeter on the C763 is aimable(or not), and if so, by how much?

The C763 definitely have amiable tweeters (I have 14 installed around my house), although they only have around 20 degrees in any direction. This would make it hard to be completely on axis with the main listening position if not top middles, which I believe is the distinction Rex was making. The woofer also isn’t aimable but I am not sure that is too much different than the C763L woofer not pointing at listening position.


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Thanks to you both! So it's 20 degrees or so on the C763 vs 30 on the C763L (and a bigger hole). That's exactly what I was looking for.
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Are there any pros/cons to using the S206 or the M106 for surrounds and wides?
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I can only comment about M106s used as surrounds in a 5.1 system since that's how mine were initially deployed. Most of the time they have been great but occasionally there is some material where a little more low end in the surround channels would be nice. It doesn't happen often but it can be a distraction from the movie. Given the opportunity for a do over, a pair of F206s would be tempting.
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Are there any pros/cons to using the S206 or the M106 for surrounds and wides?
S206 will be easier to mount, and project from the wall less. They are bipole, so will have a more diffuse sound. I am using S206 for my side surrounds because they are higher on the wall than is ideal, so I wanted the diffuse image. They are working great for me.
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Are there any pros/cons to using the S206 or the M106 for surrounds and wides?

There is also the S16 on wall. That option depends on mounting/placement, i.e. if you can aim them at the listening area.
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thanks - i’ll have to stand mount either, so i suppose rather than a specific speaker question it’s a more of a dipole/bipolar versus direct speaker question....which is probably a matter of personal preference
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thanks - i’ll have to stand mount either, so i suppose rather than a specific speaker question it’s a more of a dipole/bipolar versus direct speaker question....which is probably a matter of personal preference
And a matter of distance. If you're over ~6 ft from them, monopole may be preferred. If you're closer, I would go for bipolar so you get less discrete localization of the speaker.
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I was looking for an answer to a question and came across these videos from 2015. Pretty amazing considering that they produced these five years ago.




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I was looking for an answer to a question and came across these videos from 2015. Pretty interesting considering that they produced these five years ago.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZqF...re=emb_rel_end


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nthri8gQEs

Stuff like this makes me wonder how DIY can compete.
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Question, it could be the recording, but when listening to this recording, I'm hearing distortion after certain guitar strums. Lately I've heard this distortion quite a bit and can't figure out why it's happening.

https://open.spotify.com/track/5jgFf...Sxipe0VljpmIWQ

Listening on my F206, Arcam AVR20. I haven't run calibration yet. I did just update the firmware, though I can't be certain that this is when it started happening.

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Question, it could be the recording, but when listening to this recording, I'm hearing distortion after certain guitar strums. Lately I've heard this distortion quite a bit and can't figure out why it's happening.

https://open.spotify.com/track/5jgFf...Sxipe0VljpmIWQ

Listening on my F206, Arcam AVR20. I haven't run calibration yet. I did just update the firmware, though I can't be certain that this is when it started happening.

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Lots of distortion in a lot of Beatles records and songs, like it was recorded in a bathroom. It keeps me from enjoying a lot of their stuff.

I honestly have that problem with a lot of older music that I really like, and I find myself listening to more modern stuff that I don't even like that much. I wish I could not be that way; go back to before I cared about sound quality and just liked music.
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Lots of distortion in a lot of Beatles records and songs, like it was recorded in a bathroom. It keeps me from enjoying a lot of their stuff.



I honestly have that problem with a lot of older music that I really like, and I find myself listening to more modern stuff that I don't even like that much. I wish I could not be that way; go back to before I cared about sound quality and just liked music.
Good deal, was getting it on some older Jazz the other night too. Didn't seem to be volume dependent.

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Good deal, was getting it on some older Jazz the other night too. Didn't seem to be volume dependent.

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You can always check on headphones too.

With the Beatles, though, I'll bet it's the recording. Some of their stuff is recorded pretty well, and still holds up to modern stuff, so it makes me wonder. A lot of Miles Davis material is like that, too, unfortunately.

If you have Tidal, a lot of "Master" Beatles album's sound pretty good.
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Stuff like this makes me wonder how DIY can compete.

Yeah, me too. And not just DIY for that matter. Kevin calls it "an embarrassment of riches". Very few (if any) loudspeaker manufacturers have the engineering staff, plus R&D facilities to design, measure, and test loudspeakers.
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You can always check on headphones too.



With the Beatles, though, I'll bet it's the recording. Some of their stuff is recorded pretty well, and still holds up to modern stuff, so it makes me wonder. A lot of Miles Davis material is like that, too, unfortunately.



If you have Tidal, a lot of "Master" Beatles album's sound pretty good.
The Jazz I was listening to was 50% Miles that night.

Just Spotify for now. I got into this AV game for Home Theater, but since I've had these F206's with my Arcam, even in a vaulted apartment room with bad sound treatment, I'm in love with music again. I can't wait until my house is done and I get things set up in my basement. Perhaps at that time I'll need to look into better sources.

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The Jazz I was listening to was 50% Miles that night.

Just Spotify for now. I got into this AV game for Home Theater, but since I've had these F206's with my Arcam, even in a vaulted apartment room with bad sound treatment, I'm in love with music again. I can't wait until my house is done and I get things set up in my basement. Perhaps at that time I'll need to look into better sources.

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I think that's a common experience. I also got into this hobby for HT. Now I'm like 80/20 music to HT. Problem with movies is the enjoyment factor (at least for me ) really drops after the first watch, but music doesn't have that problem.
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Yeah, me too. And not just DIY for that matter. Kevin calls it "an embarrassment of riches". Very few (if any) loudspeaker manufacturers have the engineering staff, plus R&D facilities to design, measure, and test loudspeakers.
Is he saying that Revel is embarrassed because many others produce some great speakers without such a facility?
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Is he saying that Revel is embarrassed because many others produce some great speakers without such a facility?
Now that ASR is measuring many different speakers with the Klippel, it's becoming clear that the top Engineering companies are in fact building the best speakers. Some of the DIY and internet direct offerings aren't bad but it's pretty clear they aren't to the level of Revel, KEF or Genelec to name a few. So no, I doubt that is what Kevin meant...
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Yeah, me too. And not just DIY for that matter. Kevin calls it "an embarrassment of riches". Very few (if any) loudspeaker manufacturers have the engineering staff, plus R&D facilities to design, measure, and test loudspeakers.
Is he saying that Revel is embarrassed because many others produce some great speakers without such a facility?
It’s just a figure of speech, he is saying Revel has everything they could possibly need to design good speakers.
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It was a loaded question. MUDCAT knew exactly what it meant, he just fancies himself a provocateur. 🙂
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Now that ASR is measuring many different speakers with the Klippel, it's becoming clear that the top Engineering companies are in fact building the best speakers. Some of the DIY and internet direct offerings aren't bad but it's pretty clear they aren't to the level of Revel, KEF or Genelec to name a few. So no, I doubt that is what Kevin meant...
Interesting interpretation--they've only tested 1 DIY speaker and just a few ID brands. There are models from large commercial companies that are not recommended including the Kef LS50.

Edit: Since this is a Revel owner's thread, I guess I should add that all the Revels tested were recommended.
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Anyone have any tips on removing a driver from a Performa3? I removed the screws, but it seems to be stuck inside fairly tight and there does not seem to be anything to grip when attempting to pull it out.
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Anyone have any tips on removing a driver from a Performa3? I removed the screws, but it seems to be stuck inside fairly tight and there does not seem to be anything to grip when attempting to pull it out.
If it is a mid-range or woofer, put half the screws back in half way(this will serve to catch the driver if it comes loose) and then play some music. It should vibrate loose in a short while.
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If it is a mid-range or woofer, put half the screws back in half way(this will serve to catch the driver if it comes loose) and then play some music. It should vibrate loose in a short while.

It is a woofer. Do you think there will be enough movement to loosen it? Right now, it is so tight that it doesn't budge when holding the speaker with the front pointed at the ground.
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It is a woofer. Do you think there will be enough movement to loosen it? Right now, it is so tight that it doesn't budge when holding the speaker with the front pointed at the ground.
I've done this with sealed subwoofers that wouldn't budge. You might have to plug the port. Also, if you can just sit the speaker facing down supported on the corners, gravity alone may win out (this may take a little while). Again, I'd leave some of the screws in part way so the driver doesn't just hit the floor if and when it lets go.
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M16'S on desktop - looking for good integrated Amp

Quality 2 channel integrated amplifier and subwoofer for M16 nearfield/desktop listening?

I've been following the Revel forum since I bought the Concerta 2's last year.

Last Friday, I replaced my 2 M16's and C25 LCR speakers with new F208 towers and C205 center.
Thinking about re-purposing the 2 M16's as desktop speakers in my office. I currently use Kanto YU4 powered with the 8 inch Kantu sub.

I need subwoofer out, base management and optional room correction. Strictly 2 channel. 90% youtube music and 10% steam games.
Streaming and network bells and whistles not critical. Plan to have youtube app on computer and connect thru optical on PC sound card.
My budget is about 900 for the integrated, 400 to 500 for a good sealed sub (in 10 by 10 square room)
Not a great room - why want bass management and room correction.

Looking for fresh ideas..

Integrated Amp
Found these today:
1.Elac EA101 EQ-OG: 700 or 800, SW out, has EQ functionality
2.Yamaha R-N803 - 750. SW out, Bass Management, YPOA room correction
3. Outlaw Audio 2160, SW out, Bass Management - not sure how full featured, assume no room correction.

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Have 3 Svs subs. Looking to try different brand with music focus probably sealed for small room.
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