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post #2191 of 15576 Old 07-25-2011, 08:23 AM - Thread Starter
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I would think Revel would sell the Gem2, at least, as singles. Due to the fact that is the most logical model of the Ultima series to be used for all channels, if someone wanted to run identical speakers all around. Or at least for identical LCRs.
I know JBL would sell the PT800 as single units, all part of Harman, should all be the same.

Sounds like it might be more of a dealer balking at ordering a single Gem2, than Harman.

I know there are people (whom I seriously envy) on AVS that have or have had setups with odd numbers of Salon 2's (3,5,7). With modern HT systems there a lot of different perfectly good combinations that end up with odd numbers of speakers.

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I took a look at the Revel speakers and being that it's a Harmon group company, I could help but to notice that the Concerta L/R towers seem to be virtually identical to the old Infinity Alpha/Beta speakers from 8-10 years ago. I've done a few google searches and a few people have stated it's pretty much a cosmetically altered version of the Beta series with the same driver technology and crossover components.

I'm not surprised if it's truly a rebadged Beta-series driver. I remember Infinity in the mid to late 90's invested a TON of money into the development of ultra-high fidelity "best in class" speakers along with the CMMD diaphram with it's design focus on a completely distortion-free driver material.

Infinity's development of that era's speakers was honest, scientific and truly what you want a speaker company to be doing. They not only engineered a new diaphram material which had a breakup node way higher in frequency than any other material. Basically it allowed them to create a crossover network which lowpassed out the distortion to an inaudible level.

Not only that, they found people who were natually gifted at hearing distortion and flaws in speaker sound then trained them to be even better at it. Then used these listeners in blind listening tests to develop speakers which were consistently identified by the listeners as the most accurate speakers.

I remember respecting the hell out of Infinity for spending so much money investing in actually IMPROVING speaker technology through true science and not snake oil. Infinity shared for the public their entire process for developing these speakers.

Over the years since then I am shocked that people have gone out of their way to say Infinity speakers aren't high end. Sure, they are a mainstream company who mass-produces speakers, but their design was good and they offered a top product for the money.

Nowadays Infinity cut costs and their more affordable speakers aren't as good as from years past, but that Alpha/Beta line from 8-10 years ago was top notch and the use of the design in the Revel Concerta towers shows just how good the design really was. I one day might look for a perfect condition pair of beta series towers and run with them for a while.
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I remember respecting the hell out of Infinity for spending so much money investing in actually IMPROVING speaker technology through true science and not snake oil.

This is one of the big reasons I buy Revel. Harman's work into the science of loudspeakers is ongoing.

There is a great blog written by one of Harman's scientists, Dr. Sean Olive on their research into listening.

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I think your dealer is gassing you. I wrote to Revel Customer Service:

-----Original Message-----
To: Customer Support (High Performance AV)
Subject: Revel Ultima2 Gem

Can you tell me if these are sold singly or only in pairs.

Thanks

----- Response -----

Hi ,

These are boxed and sold individually. If there is anything else I can help with please do not hesitate to call or write anytime.

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Phone: +1 888 691 4171
Fax: +1 574 294 8301

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Wow! Well, that pisses me off!

I didn't talk to Revel Customer service, but I didn't think the dealer would lie to me!

I did talk to KEF customer service. They said the KEF Reference speakers are ONLY made in PAIRS. So they cannot sell them as singles. So based on this, I assume the Revel dealer was telling the truth.
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Curious where you got your info from? I emailed Revel directly and received the following:

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Hi,

There has been discussion on releasing a new Performa line, but at this point it's only a discussion. It would take a great deal of time for designs and stats to be approved, finalized, and then set up for manufacturing. At this time I would say not in the immediate future. If you have any further questions or concerns I can help with please do not hesitate to ask.
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Unless he does not know what he is talking about it looks like September would be tough to pull off.

I called and got a tech for Revel and he said that there were not current plans for an upgrade. Man I'd hate to put a wad of dough down on this and then have new ones come out in September.

I assume Revel would know best.

-Brian

I got my info from my local dealer, back when I wanted to buy a pair of M22s... I asked him if he knew if Revel had any plans to upgrade the Performa line as I didn't want to buy a M22 just to see a new model released shortly after... So he called the distributor while I was there, and was told that she had seen the new models and that they were being debuted at Cedia this year... Also, the distributor is selling the current performa and concerta ranges at 5% - 10% discounts to close them out...

So no idea where the mix up is... either the distributor is insane or the revel persons you contacted don't know what's up... Either way we'll find out what's really up in just over a month (Cedia)...

However, I must point out that the same distributor originally said the new Performa line would be out at CES gone (January), then that it's been pushed back to CEDIA... So perhaps Revel has changed it's mind about the new product launch altogether...
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A while back I posted a question about stands for a center channel speaker. A bunch of folks replied that it's not a great idea to put the speaker in a cabinet/stand. So I decided to build a shelf, at first I was going to build a shelf from the wall but decided to build a shelf that attached to the TV - where you'd mount the TV on a wall. The shelf came out great but I will have to modify this. The whole thing is too top heavy. I think I will build a shelf that sits on the stand and puts the speaker in the same place as it is now. Here are pics....
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It looks like from the third pic that the center is way too high, compared to your towers. The closer the center tweeter is to the tower tweeters, vertically, the better.
If that were my setup, I would mount the screen to the wall, slightly higher than it is now. So the vertical distance between the stand and bottom of the screen is a bit taller than the center. Then place the center on the tv stand with its baffle even with the front of the stand. That would put the center in line with the towers.

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I don't think we will see nothing new in CEDIA for REVEL and maybe only maybe at CES 2012

I see some post about Gem2 i can tell you that they a very special speaker yes it has limited bass output but the rest is spectacular.

here is a photo in my room (with some companions) not in listening position.

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I don't think we will see nothing new in CEDIA for REVEL and maybe only maybe at CES 2012

I see some post about Gem2 i can tell you that they a very special speaker yes it has limited bass output but the rest is spectacular.

here is a photo in my room (with some companions) not in listening position.


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Thanks. I thought of that but considering all the parameters - my wife's opinion trumping most of the others - mounting the TV on the wall isn't an option. My AVR has an option to raise or lower the sound field and I've been playing with that. It sounds good without lowering the sound field, tilting the center channel helps. I'm not sure how it works but the AVR can lower the sound field of the center channel - the documentation is lacking on how it does this but it must send some of the center channel output to the towers? I've tried it and it's OK...probably just use it without the sound field altered.

I had it in a cabinet, on a stand on the floor and now mounted above and so far mounted above sounds best.



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It looks like from the third pic that the center is way too high, compared to your towers. The closer the center tweeter is to the tower tweeters, vertically, the better.
If that were my setup, I would mount the screen to the wall, slightly higher than it is now. So the vertical distance between the stand and bottom of the screen is a bit taller than the center. Then place the center on the tv stand with its baffle even with the front of the stand. That would put the center in line with the towers.

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I don't think we will see nothing new in CEDIA for REVEL and maybe only maybe at CES 2012

I see some post about Gem2 i can tell you that they a very special speaker yes it has limited bass output but the rest is spectacular.

here is a photo in my room (with some companions) not in listening position.

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You're very wellcome here!

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The room is treated fully with diaphragmatic absorbers(bass traps) and wide band absorbers and has a couple of quadratic diffusers. it has an acoustic door and windows the room has an rt of .33 and is very quiet nc 20

it has also some helmholtz absorbers to fine tune the room.
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OK, folks need some serious advice here ;-)

I am about to pull the trigger on F52s, C52s, and S30s. I can get them at 50% off MSRP but I will only be able to get them for a few more days at this price. Am I crazy for dropping $6K on speakers that are 6 years old and about to be replaced? I know they will still sound good when the new ones come out but I'm an OCD type of guy so having the older generation won't work.

CEDIA is coming up soon and normally I would just wait BUT I won't be able to get the set at this price.

BTW, I have owned the F52s before and love them (other than that o so bright tweeter). Any advice/suggestions appreciated! I don't want to miss out on this pair for such a good price but I also don't want to be stuck with older models and lose my shirt selling them.

Thanks!

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C52 is a great center speaker, i use it in my small bedroom flanked by M20 fronts and M22 rears. Paradigm Studio SUB12 with PBK, i'm happy.
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The room is treated fully with diaphragmatic absorbers(bass traps) and wide band absorbers and has a couple of quadratic diffusers. it has an acoustic door and windows the room has an rt of .33 and is very quiet nc 20

it has also some helmholtz absorbers to fine tune the room.

Very nice. Was this a DIY project or did you hire a specialist? I am very interested in your project to treat your room.

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OK, folks need some serious advice here ;-)

I am about to pull the trigger on F52s, C52s, and S30s. I can get them at 50% off MSRP but I will only be able to get them for a few more days at this price. Am I crazy for dropping $6K on speakers that are 6 years old and about to be replaced? I know they will still sound good when the new ones come out but I'm an OCD type of guy so having the older generation won't work.

CEDIA is coming up soon and normally I would just wait BUT I won't be able to get the set at this price.

BTW, I have owned the F52s before and love them (other than that o so bright tweeter). Any advice/suggestions appreciated! I don't want to miss out on this pair for such a good price but I also don't want to be stuck with older models and lose my shirt selling them.

Thanks!

If new ones come out I seriously doubt you will be able to get them anything near $6K. So one thing to consider is what your budget is.

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OK, folks need some serious advice here ;-)

I am about to pull the trigger on F52s, C52s, and S30s. I can get them at 50% off MSRP but I will only be able to get them for a few more days at this price. Am I crazy for dropping $6K on speakers that are 6 years old and about to be replaced? I know they will still sound good when the new ones come out but I'm an OCD type of guy so having the older generation won't work.

CEDIA is coming up soon and normally I would just wait BUT I won't be able to get the set at this price.

BTW, I have owned the F52s before and love them (other than that o so bright tweeter). Any advice/suggestions appreciated! I don't want to miss out on this pair for such a good price but I also don't want to be stuck with older models and lose my shirt selling them.

Thanks!

You have owned the F52s before?

What happened? I mean why don't you still have them?

$6K for all five is such a great price.

I would get the F52s, C52, & M22.

I just think the M22 will be more accurate than the S30.
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I owned them about 5 years ago. Should have hung on to on them :-)

Yeah, I am going to get the M22s instead of the S30s. Only thing holding me back is the insanity of spending $6K on older speakers!

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I owned them about 5 years ago. Should have hung on to on them :-)

Yeah, I am going to get the M22s instead of the S30s. Only thing holding me back is the insanity of spending $6K on older speakers!

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i would repose the question, if the new Revels come out and the replacement system is $12k, are you willing to spend that much? It always come down to a point in time, the maximum your willing to spend and if they make you happy.
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I owned them about 5 years ago. Should have hung on to on them :-)

Yeah, I am going to get the M22s instead of the S30s. Only thing holding me back is the insanity of spending $6K on older speakers!

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I see your point.

But, I don't ever consider excellent speakers "old".

They will always sound fantastic and "new" to me.

Especially the entire $12K system for only $6K brand new? Heck, yeah.

If they sound superb, they will always sound superb.

These speakers are so mature these days. I just don't see much improvements.

I mean how can you improve on a flat FR of +/-0.5dB or +/- 1.0dB with a smooth tapper-down?

The extensive research has been done. They just can't get much better.

I think anything "better" is 100% subjective and insignificant.
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Brian,
It sounds like you are already wishing you bought the next step up. My advise is to go higher up and not buy something that you will be thinking about selling within a short time, taking a big hit. It is so costly to go up one step at a time. I bought a pair of Focal 826's and as I got more into Hi-Fi, i wanted to get a great full range speaker and be done with it but being cheap, I went used and got the Revel Ultima Studio2 and I've been delighted ever since. Buy something You will be enamored with. if you don't have the money, go used. Hey, I just saved you $$$.
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Brian,
It sounds like you are already wishing you bought the next step up. My advise is to go higher up and not buy something that you will be thinking about selling within a short time, taking a big hit. It is so costly to go up one step at a time. I bought a pair of Focal 826's and as I got more into Hi-Fi, i wanted to get a great full range speaker and be done with it but being cheap, I went used and got the Revel Ultima Studio2 and I've been delighted ever since. Buy something You will be enamored with. if you don't have the money, go used. Hey, I just saved you $$$.
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If done in steps, upgrade the center speaker and later the fronts. I found that going from a C30 to a C52 was huge. Stayed with the M20 fronts due to space limitations, no complaints.
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Brian,
It sounds like you are already wishing you bought the next step up. My advise is to go higher up and not buy something that you will be thinking about selling within a short time, taking a big hit. It is so costly to go up one step at a time. I bought a pair of Focal 826's and as I got more into Hi-Fi, i wanted to get a great full range speaker and be done with it but being cheap, I went used and got the Revel Ultima Studio2 and I've been delighted ever since. Buy something You will be enamored with. if you don't have the money, go used. Hey, I just saved you $$$.
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Yes it is costly, but sometimes you need to own a couple of different speakers before you really appreciate what you want.

By the time I bought my first Revels I had that knowledge, but I ended upgrading to the Studio2s simply because they weren't available when I originally bought the F-52s.

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Hi everyone,

I don't want to draw conclusions, but Revel has updated his website to a fully new one, and if you look at it, under the subwoofer, and surround speakers only the B120 Concerta, and the S12 Concertas are listed, the S30, and the B15a are not listed. So maybe, these are going to get replaced by new speakers in a few months. But these are just my theories...

I am not into buying new loudspeakers in the close future anyway, because I'm fully satisfied with my complete Concerta setup (F12,C12,M12,B120) with Parasound C2 processor and A52 amp.

In the distant future I might get performa speakers as fronts and center, but i don't know how big the difference would be from the concertas, is it a huge leap, or just a bit better !?
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It looks like Revel has introduced a bunch of new architectural speakers, and discontinued a small number of peripheral models like the S-30 and some subwoofers. No sign of changes to the floorstanders or bookshelves are on the new web site.

So it looks like the note from Revel's customer service could have been correct - no plans to discontinue the F52.

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Selling my F32 and C32 if anyone is interested. AD posted at audiogon and fleabay.
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Where would be the best place to sell my 8/10 Revel Ultima Gems (not the 2's) with the aluminum billet sides and matching aluminum based stands ?
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Hi,

I have been advised by Revel that they no longer have any wall mounting templates available for the Ultima Embrace surround speakers. Does anyone have a template available or know where I can locate one? Is it possible that someone here who might possess one, have a full sized copy made and sent to me. I certainly would cover any expense involved as well as any reasonable compensation for doing this. I have two sets of the Ultima Embrace already but I really need the template for a home builder. I'm located in Florida. A response would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Kim
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Where would be the best place to sell my 8/10 Revel Ultima Gems (not the 2's) with the aluminum billet sides and matching aluminum based stands ?

Where to sell my Revel Ultima Gems ? anyone, anyone ?
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