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I recently purchased 2 pr of KEF 201/2:





Integrated with dual Rythmik D15SE subs, they sound so awesome.

I am definitely a KEF believer!
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AcuDefTechGuy those are awesome speakers,
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AcuDefTechGuy those are awesome speakers,

Thanks.

These speakers sound amazing, and they make no excuses whatsoever.

I asked my 9 yr old daughter the other night about which of my speakers she liked the best in terms of looks/aesthetics.

The choices were Revel Salon2, Linkwitz Orion, and KEF 201/2s.

She picked the KEFs because "they are the cutest ones".

Kids!
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how would you rate the kef ref to the orions. From forum member reviews both are great speakers, but since they both have the same control directivity goals through different means. Are they more of the same or totally different? thanks
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how would you rate the kef ref to the orions. From forum member reviews both are great speakers, but since they both have the same control directivity goals through different means. Are they more of the same or totally different? thanks

I think the KEF Ref sound very similar to the Orions.

A lot of people think that the Revel Salon, KEF Ref, and Orion should all sound differently.

But I think they all sound more like than they sound differently.

The Orions might have the very slight advantage in the image/soundstage.

The KEFs have the slight advantage in the midrange.

The Salons have the advantage in the bass.

Both the KEF and Salons have the advantage in the treble.
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I have got to ask this but first some context. Years ago I had the audiophile bug and was looking to work towards the ultimate system (constrained heavily by budget). However, I got to listen to a system at Sound Advice in Jacksonville Florida that had B&W 801 Matrix 3 speakers, Krell Class A amp, Krell Preamp, Krell CD player. With interconnects and speakerwires the system was about $23 k (20 years ago), and the speakers were only $6K of that. This was the most live (being there) presentation I have ever heard but it was so revealing that it made most of the CDs we brought with come up short - we could very much hear the limitations in the source recordings. Only a few CDs were recorded well enough to make the grade. Since my music tastes lie heavily in classic alternative this ended my desire to keep moving up - great mid-fi was my goal after that.

I purchased Kef Reference 103/4s with the Kef Kube 200 and augmented them with a Def Tech Powerfield 2500 sub - which blended perfect with the Kefs and was very musical. I wished I had been able to purchase the Kef Reference 105/3s which impressed me very much but was out of my price range at that time. I nver got to hear the 107s.

Now to my question. With current recordings, do heavily revealing systems limit what is worth listening too? Those with B&W 800 Diamonds, Kef Reference 207/2s, Wilson... combined with top of the line amps /preamps (Krell, Bryston, Classe etc.) - do you have to tailor your music to match your system?

Main Kef: Reference 205/2 & 202/2c, Surrounds: Kef XQ40, Velodyne Optimum 12, Integra DHC 80.3, Ayre K-5xeMP, Oppo BDP-103, Bryston 4Bsst2, Parasound Halo A31. Second B&W: 685 (3), CCM618, Def Tech Powerfield 1500, Onkyo TX-NR1008, Zone 2 Klipsch AW650.
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A lot of people think that the Revel Salon, KEF Ref, and Orion should all sound differently.

But I think they all sound more like than they sound differently.

I think that's an important observation: speakers that attempt high fidelity to the source material (and all three of those are such designs) should sound more alike than different!

Speakers voiced to some goal other than high-fidelity (see, e.g. B&W), or just plain poorly voiced (ahem, Wilson) will sound markedly different from speakers voiced for high fidelity.

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I think that's an important observation: speakers that attempt high fidelity to the source material (and all three of those are such designs) should sound more alike than different!

Speakers voiced to some goal other than high-fidelity (see, e.g. B&W), or just plain poorly voiced (ahem, Wilson) will sound markedly different from speakers voiced for high fidelity.
I agree with you 100%!

I've been listening & comparing all three speakers all day today using the same recording CD and level-matched in 2.1 stereo w/ dual Rythmik D15SE subs, XO @ 80Hz, Small Speaker setting (to be fair). I couldn't tell you with any certainty which one (Salon2, KEF 201/2, Orion) sounded the best. They all just sounded so amazing.

Of course, if you held a gun to my head and forced to pick just one speaker, I would have to pick the Salon2s because they cost A LOT MORE.
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All three of your speaker systems are outstanding. What do you drive them with, amps and preamps?

Main Kef: Reference 205/2 & 202/2c, Surrounds: Kef XQ40, Velodyne Optimum 12, Integra DHC 80.3, Ayre K-5xeMP, Oppo BDP-103, Bryston 4Bsst2, Parasound Halo A31. Second B&W: 685 (3), CCM618, Def Tech Powerfield 1500, Onkyo TX-NR1008, Zone 2 Klipsch AW650.
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All three of your speaker systems are outstanding. What do you drive them with, amps and preamps?

The Salon2s & 201/2s get the Denon AVP-A1HDCI. The Orions get the Denon AVR-5308.

The Salons get the ATI AT3002, and the 201s get the AT3005.

The Orions come with the active analog crossover + ATI AT6012 amp.
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Hey guys,

Quick question - I bought a pair of Q700's and plan to buy a sub-woofer, and surround speakers down the line.

Is 90 Watts/Channel pumped by the Denon 2112CI enough to drive these? The receiver hasn't shipped yet and I could still change the order.

Thanks and awaiting your input
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Hey guys,

Quick question - I bought a pair of Q700's and plan to buy a sub-woofer, and surround speakers down the line.

Is 90 Watts/Channel pumped by the Denon 2112CI enough to drive these? The receiver hasn't shipped yet and I could still change the order.

Thanks and awaiting your input

I would prefer to get something like the Denon 3310.
It has pre-outs just in case you need external amps.

A like-new/open box can be had for $442 shipped from an authorized dealer:
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I have a pair of 80's vintage KEF 104/2s that I am giving away but they really need to go to an enthusiast.

These are wonderful speakers but a couple of years ago I noticed that there were problems with the bass and a check discovered that the tandem woofers inside the cabinet had lost their surrounds. Removing and replacing the drivers requires more work that I can do so I just replaced them. I am hoping not to just toss them to the curb for trash pickup and that someone can use them. However, they will need to be repaired and shipping them is not a realistic option as they weigh 70lbs apiece.

Anybody interested in them within a reasonable driving distance of Boston?
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Hey guys,

Quick question - I bought a pair of Q700's and plan to buy a sub-woofer, and surround speakers down the line.

Is 90 Watts/Channel pumped by the Denon 2112CI enough to drive these? The receiver hasn't shipped yet and I could still change the order.

Thanks and awaiting your input

Suggest you check out the "Deal of the Day" at Vanns.com. Good only today, Tuesday July 26. Yamaha RX-A1000 great price, worth the move up. This also has preamps out so you can add more later.

Main Kef: Reference 205/2 & 202/2c, Surrounds: Kef XQ40, Velodyne Optimum 12, Integra DHC 80.3, Ayre K-5xeMP, Oppo BDP-103, Bryston 4Bsst2, Parasound Halo A31. Second B&W: 685 (3), CCM618, Def Tech Powerfield 1500, Onkyo TX-NR1008, Zone 2 Klipsch AW650.
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I have a pair of 80's vintage KEF 104/2s that I am giving away but they really need to go to an enthusiast.

These are wonderful speakers but a couple of years ago I noticed that there were problems with the bass and a check discovered that the tandem woofers inside the cabinet had lost their surrounds. Removing and replacing the drivers requires more work that I can do so I just replaced them. I am hoping not to just toss them to the curb for trash pickup and that someone can use them. However, they will need to be repaired and shipping them is not a realistic option as they weigh 70lbs apiece.

Anybody interested in them within a reasonable driving distance of Boston?

My 104/2s went to a family member. Still get to visit them. They are great speakers. SJ
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Yeah, I really hate to give up my speakers. Almost feels like losing a pet or something.
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Hey everyone,

I posted some pictures of my KEF setup several weeks ago.

Since then, DS-21 kindly gave me a few suggestions and I'm really pleased with the results.

The suggestions were to lower my left and right speakers so that they would be at the same height as my center.

Then tilt the speakers up (since they are sitting somewhat low) and crossfire them so that the three tweeters axes would cross roughly at my nose level about two feet in front of where I normally sit.

And also to insert the foam bungs that came with the iQ10's.

I searched for speaker stands that would put my left and right KEF's at the same height as the center on the Omnimount AV stand but couldn't find any. So I made a pair by buying a pair of Bose 901 speaker stands, mounting 16" round, 3/4" thick birch tops on them, and then painting them white.

I have to say, I'm really happy with how it sounds. It's a noticeable improvement. I worried that it might sound "low" but it doesn't at all. The soundstage is more seamless and coherent than before.

I posted some updated pictures. (I wasn't sure how to link back to the original pictures. But I think they're on page 140 if you want to see the before.) I took the grills off for the photos to show how the driver's are angled up. And because it just looks better for pictures. Now the grills are back on with the bungs inserted.

Thanks again DS-21.

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Hey everyone,

I posted some pictures of my KEF setup several weeks ago.

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Wicked setup Dan - love the futuristic look of it. The Kefs fit in nicely.
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Wicked setup Dan - love the futuristic look of it. The Kefs fit in nicely.

Thanks a lot. A few more pictures on the walls near the L/R speakers and the room is finally finished.

I might buy an Anti-Mode for the sub in the fall, but everything sounds very good now so I'm not sure if it's worth the money. Maybe I'll wait and see if a good deal pops up on Audiogon or Craigslist.

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Yeah, I really hate to give up my speakers. Almost feels like losing a pet or something.

Well my 104/2s got replaced with KEF Reference 205/2s. They are fantastic. SJ
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Well my 104/2s got replaced with KEF Reference 205/2s. They are fantastic. SJ

Now that's the way to do it right there!

The KEF Reference are fantastic speakers indeed!
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I have to say, I'm really happy with how it sounds. It's a noticeable improvement. I worried that it might sound "low" but it doesn't at all. The soundstage is more seamless and coherent than before.

Glad to know that those recommendations lead to the same results in other rooms as they do in mine.

VERY nicely done overall.

Those 901 stands might be the only thing Bose has ever made that are worth buying.

And props to KEF for building really great speakers. Most speakers, because they have much poorer power response in the midrange, would not work well in this kind of setup. But Uni-Q's (and Tannoy Dual Concentrics) are ideal for it.

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Very nice review of the Q900's in the Sept Stereophile, just came in the mail today. Kal has a lot of nice things to say about them, including "there is no other speaker in that range (sub $2K) that I prefer to the KEF Q900". John Atkinson offers that "despite its affordable price, KEF's Q900 offers superb measured performance"

I've been using them in my 2nd system for a couple of months and have been especially struck by the quality of the midrange, notably with well recorded vocals and acoustic instruments. My desk is almost nearfield and the effect is spooky at times...

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Very nice review of the Q900's in the Sept Stereophile, just came in the mail today. Kal has a lot of nice things to say about them, including "there is no other speaker in that range (sub $2K) that I prefer to the KEF Q900". John Atkinson offers that "despite its affordable price, KEF's Q900 offers superb measured performance"

I've been using them in my 2nd system for a couple of months and have been especially struck by the quality of the midrange, notably with well recorded vocals and acoustic instruments. My desk is almost nearfield and the effect is spooky at times...

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any more info on the review? scan possibly? i was thinking of getting a pair of q900s and onkyo 808 for my first ht setup.
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Hello, I bought a pair of used KEF Q50 speakers used. They sounded great when I bought them but once I got them home and hooked them up I noticed that with one speaker the voices sound muffled and distant compared to the other. I've tried various speaker cables, amps, traded sides, different music, etc. One just seems more active and present.

Any idea what could be going on? Wonder if anyone still repairs these? I paid $150 for them so if it would cost more than $100 I probably won't bother. I really like these and they are in fantastic condition so I'd like to keep them if possible. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

I read one forum where a poster said ""many of these Q-series just suffer from a collapsed internal rubber mounting that lets the coil touch the magnet , and a cable-tie often solves the problem."
Wondering if this is the issue with these. I'm not too technically savvy with regard to even minor speaker repair.

Thank you kindly for any advice anyone could offer.

Try calling kef 732-638-2356. I replace a speaker in my old Q55. Cost me 60.00 it was easy to do
They sent me a new one took about 10 minutes to replace it
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Try calling kef 732-638-2356. I replace a speaker in my old Q55. Cost me 60.00 it was easy to do
They sent me a new one took about 10 minutes to replace it

Great tip. Thanks! I opened the port in the back where the board with the capacitors is housed and think I may have found the problem. The manufacturer apparently used hot glue on this board. The glue melted at one point and is literally covering everything on the circuit board. This might be toast unless they can provide that whole piece of electronics (crossover?).

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Hey Jabellas, I live in Providence, If you still got the 104/2's I will take them. Let me know
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I have a chance to get a pair of reference 201/2 for 2600 but i have never heard the kefs, so am torn between them and the Paradigm signature. I dont know if you've heard the paradigms but can you tell me how the kefs compare..especially with the berrylium tweeter of the pardigms which are to die for indeed!

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