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Running them in now, compared to my Paradigms they seem a bit mid heavy right now.
My R600C seems a bit mid-heavy when matched with the R107/2s, but sounds quite good alone without that comparison.

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Good service!
Heck yeah!

I shipped the speaker back and another is on its way. Dan from Kef even threw in a pair of M100 in ears when I mentioned I was upset about the offer being posted right after I ordered last Friday. Great company!
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My interaction with KEF in NJ has been the same. They really do care about their customers as much as their products. I've got a couple of KEF swag items, including T-shirts, key rings, USB stick, and even one of the 50th Anniversary books. I like that stuff but it's these speakers that just continue to give more. As I hook up better sources, they keep on giving better sound.

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Long time lurker to this thread.

I have two LS-50s connected to an NAD T748 receiver - 80w x 2 @ 8ohms
I listen 50% music and 50% video
System is a 3.1 with
(2) LS-50s,
low-end Pioneer center channel
Klipsch RW 12D sub
Sony HAP Z1-ES Digital music player
Oppo BDP-103

I will be upgrading the sub soon, but just bought a new (still in box) KEF Q600C center channel speaker.

My question is by reading much of this thread it seems the center channel won't sound good with my LS-50s? I got the Q600C on sale for $499.00 and thought it was a good compromise to spending $999.00 for the KEF R200C since money is always an issue.

Should I keep it or send it back and wait to get the R200C or will the Q600C be a good enough speaker.

Music listening to mostly DSD files is most important to me, so the center channel isn't my highest priority.

My priorities are:

Center channel, Upgraded sub, separate amp to help the NADs low power output, building out to 5.1 and eventually 7.2.

My listening room is smallish. 10'x15'

Will the Q600c be a disappointment with the LS-50s for watching movies?

I'm not interested in high-end, but want best bang for the buck.
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Will the Q600c be a disappointment with the LS-50s for watching movies?
Why not use a third LS50 for the center channel? I haven't heard a Q600C, but I do have an R600C. I doubt the Q600C will match the transparency of the LS50s if the R600C doesn't.

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KEF Direct has the single LS50 on sale for $649.99 for only 4 days from 11/24 to 11/27 (inclusive.) That's $200 cheaper than the R200c center speaker as "factory recertified" from Accessories4Less.com, either of which would be better matching the LS50 than the Q600c.
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Finally Pulled the Trigger!

I just ordered a pair of Q500s! Thank you to everyone who chimed in with tips, advice, and personal experience.

I was going to wait until my current credit card statement closed on 11/24, just to get a little extra time to pay it in full, but I couldn't wait any longer. I have the money, and I'm sure of what I want, so I don't know what I was waiting for. My wife and I hosted my in-laws for dinner tonight, and my wife would be the first to say that her father and my brother-in-law are bad influences on me (funny--I think they're great influences!). After several bottles of (what we consider to be) good wine, and too many slices of local pizza, I started talking about what I was considering buying. Of course they tipped me over the edge, and I can't wait to see (hear) what these bad boys can do! (The speakers, not my in-laws!)

After my wife and son fell asleep, I fired up my laptop for one more research session (and one more glass of malbec). I wanted the European walnut (WAF certified!), and I was a little afraid they might sell out of them. I ordered from KEF Direct because their price is lower than Amazon. The transaction was also a good test of Chase's credit card fraud prevention, as it was initially declined and required me to reply via text message to confirm that it was legit.

I have spent thousands of dollars on luxury watches, world travel, "irresponsible" cars, and countless other things, so I don't know why I had such a hangup on $700 (less than a car payment) for a pair of speakers (plus free earbuds!) that my family and I will use nearly everyday for the next 10+ years. It feel so liberating to finally pull the trigger. I will definitely keep you informed of my first impressions and post-burn-in experience.

Now how long will it take to ship these from NJ to OH?!
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KenM - I've been following your posts for a while, and I appreciate all the real world experience you bring with your and your son's setups. As for the "boomy" comment, I found the review in question. Apparently I need 5 posts to post a link, and 15 to send a PM. I misquoted the review--apparently they didn't say they were boomy, but that they need at least 3' behind them to really get going. I agree with you that this doesn't make sense given that they have no rear ports, but it's one person's opinion in his unique space.
Since I just posted my 5th post, I can now add a link to the review in question:

http://www.audioreview.com/cat/speak...6_1594crx.aspx

Like I said previously, it is one person's opinion in his specific room, but it doesn't make sense to me. Either way, I can't wait to try these in my space!
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Since I just posted my 5th post, I can now add a link to the review in question:

http://www.audioreview.com/cat/speak...6_1594crx.aspx

Like I said previously, it is one person's opinion in his specific room, but it doesn't make sense to me. Either way, I can't wait to try these in my space!
Yep, one persons opinion.

I play in a band and the guitar player rides with me to gigs usually. He always complains that I have too much bass in my car and I think it sounds wonderful. His car sounds like a old transistor radio to me. I could see him putting these speakers our into the room and complaining about too much bass.

That is the problem with personal reviews of speakers.
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I just ordered a pair of Q500s! Thank you to everyone who chimed in with tips, advice, and personal experience.

I was going to wait until my current credit card statement closed on 11/24, just to get a little extra time to pay it in full, but I couldn't wait any longer. I have the money, and I'm sure of what I want, so I don't know what I was waiting for. My wife and I hosted my in-laws for dinner tonight, and my wife would be the first to say that her father and my brother-in-law are bad influences on me (funny--I think they're great influences!). After several bottles of (what we consider to be) good wine, and too many slices of local pizza, I started talking about what I was considering buying. Of course they tipped me over the edge, and I can't wait to see (hear) what these bad boys can do! (The speakers, not my in-laws!)

After my wife and son fell asleep, I fired up my laptop for one more research session (and one more glass of malbec). I wanted the European walnut (WAF certified!), and I was a little afraid they might sell out of them. I ordered from KEF Direct because their price is lower than Amazon. The transaction was also a good test of Chase's credit card fraud prevention, as it was initially declined and required me to reply via text message to confirm that it was legit.

I have spent thousands of dollars on luxury watches, world travel, "irresponsible" cars, and countless other things, so I don't know why I had such a hangup on $700 (less than a car payment) for a pair of speakers (plus free earbuds!) that my family and I will use nearly everyday for the next 10+ years. It feel so liberating to finally pull the trigger. I will definitely keep you informed of my first impressions and post-burn-in experience.

Now how long will it take to ship these from NJ to OH?!
WOOT! Congratulations, my prediction is that you'll be very happy. Good call on the European Walnut, they're probably going fast as the Rosewood is already gone. The Linear White is getting scarce too.

You bring up a great point about the relative cost of things. If there's a parallel, perhaps it could be cars. They all get from point A to point B. The manner in which they get you there is different things to different people. Some are fine with cost of a clapped-out Toyota Tercel, some insist upon the precise handling of a BMW, the power of a Shelby, or the carrying capacity of an F350. And then there's the judgement factor. When I drove a paid-for $8000, 10 year old BMW I would get comments on my "ostentatious" expenditure from guys in $60,000 pickup trucks (with 7 years of high payments) about my "Big Money Waste." Watches are good one too. Fewer and fewer people use one at all. The cell phone takes it's place for many, and those people may never appreciate the fine mechanisms and craftsmanship of a fine timepiece. World travel has no parallel. Nothing replaces the perspective you get when you are physically in those other cultures. It makes you a truly rich person.

So perhaps you've bought the audio equivalent up-level model of a rather pedestrian car with the Q500, though to people happy with an Inginia soundbar from Best Buy it's a big spend. To the fellow with a pair of Bowers & Wilkins 800 D3 speakers, it's an OK start but they'd never been seen with such tiny little plastic-covered speakers in their treated listening room. Ignore that crap, they'll be GREAT!
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Long time lurker to this thread....

I will be upgrading the sub soon, but just bought a new (still in box) KEF Q600C center channel speaker.

My question is by reading much of this thread it seems the center channel won't sound good with my LS-50s? I got the Q600C on sale for $499.00 and thought it was a good compromise to spending $999.00 for the KEF R200C since money is always an issue.

Should I keep it or send it back and wait to get the R200C or will the Q600C be a good enough speaker...


Will the Q600c be a disappointment with the LS-50s for watching movies?

I'm not interested in high-end, but want best bang for the buck.
Re the R200C vs Q600C - of those two the R200C would be a much better match as a center for LR LS-50's.

However, the best option by far would be a 3rd LS-50 as your center. (Also worth remembering that because the LS-50 uses a single concentric driver, unlike most speakers, you can lay it on it's side without compromising the sound.)
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I'm upgrading from Q300s.. to R300s.
Will my existing Marantz PM7004 drive these? / There is a pre-owned Sugden A21a for sale (half the retail price) around my location. Should I go for that?
Thank you for your suggestions!
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I'm upgrading from Q300s.. to R300s.
Will my existing Marantz PM7004 drive these? / There is a pre-owned Sugden A21a for sale (half the retail price) around my location. Should I go for that?
Thank you for your suggestions!
Your PM7004 is going to be just fine. For one thing the R300 has a sensitivity rating from KEF of 88dB and the Q300 is 87dB. They may actually put out the same volume at the same setting, but you certainly wouldn't suffer. The Sugden is far less power by comparing specifications, though I always reserve judgement until I'm listening.

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Hey guys, im not a kef speaker owner yet! Im thinking of upgrading my polk audio rti12's to the q900's. As ive never heard kef speakers is this a good upgrade?


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That depends upon what you like about the RTi12's and don't like, and what you might look to get out of the Q900's.

For instance, your current speakers aren't bad and moving to the Q900 isn't the leap in size and bass performance that most Q900 buyers get in moving from a small floor standing or bookshelf speaker to those big Q900. You now have real wood veneer and a curved cabinet, the Q900 is a boxy shape with vinyl finish (though an extremely well-executed version of it.) The Q900 is a little more laid-back on high frequencies with a little bit broader dispersion, though manages to maintain w truly well-defined soundstage with great depth even off-axis up to 30º or so. The RTi12 isn't quite as good with those things, and can be a bit boomy down low and bright up high. The KEF family is better known for quite the opposite, on mid-range hit and more accuracy through the high frequencies. That's to MY ears though, not yours. (My brother-in-law has those RTi12.)

Share what you like or don't. Share about your room, what you do with the speakers (hi-fi or HT), do you use a sub, etc.
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Your PM7004 is going to be just fine. For one thing the R300 has a sensitivity rating from KEF of 88dB and the Q300 is 87dB. They may actually put out the same volume at the same setting, but you certainly wouldn't suffer. The Sugden is far less power by comparing specifications, though I always reserve judgement until I'm listening.
Thank You Ken!

I'm planning to give it a try with my PM7004. Anyway, I would like to believe that I can get a noticeable quality upgrade with the new R300 with my existing gear.
I just noticed that you own R500s.. do you think its worth the price difference to go for 500? I'm thinking to get R300s (as I already have a good solid speaker stands). And put some money towards a good sealed sub/ may be SVS SB1000 or SB2000 in near future.
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Your PM7004 is going to be just fine. For one thing the R300 has a sensitivity rating from KEF of 88dB and the Q300 is 87dB. They may actually put out the same volume at the same setting, but you certainly wouldn't suffer. The Sugden is far less power by comparing specifications, though I always reserve judgement until I'm listening.
Thank You Ken!

I'm planning to give it a try with my PM7004. Anyway, I would like to believe that I can get a noticeable quality upgrade with the new R300 with my existing gear.
I just noticed that you own R500s.. do you think its worth the price difference to go for 500? I'm thinking to get R300s (as I already have a good solid speaker stands). And put some money towards a good sealed sub/ may be SVS SB1000 or SB2000 in near future.
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That depends upon what you like about the RTi12's and don't like, and what you might look to get out of the Q900's.



For instance, your current speakers aren't bad and moving to the Q900 isn't the leap in size and bass performance that most Q900 buyers get in moving from a small floor standing or bookshelf speaker to those big Q900. You now have real wood veneer and a curved cabinet, the Q900 is a boxy shape with vinyl finish (though an extremely well-executed version of it.) The Q900 is a little more laid-back on high frequencies with a little bit broader dispersion, though manages to maintain w truly well-defined soundstage with great depth even off-axis up to 30º or so. The RTi12 isn't quite as good with those things, and can be a bit boomy down low and bright up high. The KEF family is better known for quite the opposite, on mid-range hit and more accuracy through the high frequencies. That's to MY ears though, not yours. (My brother-in-law has those RTi12.)



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I have had the rti12's for about 8 years so they are pretty much all i know. My room is an elongated rectangle just my basement. Now that ive upgraded to atmos i feel like i need to upgrade my speakers to get the sound and detail im looking for. My room is just home theater, very little music. I do use a sub i have two polk audio psw 505's. Which i will also upgrade to svs subs next year.


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As much of a KEF "fanboy" that I am, I would suggest the SVS Ultra towers and matching surrounds would perhaps be a better step up, and they mate well with the SVS subs in the future. If sticking with KEF it's the R series which would be a major improvement, although quite a bit more investment.
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I have had the rti12's for about 8 years so they are pretty much all i know. My room is an elongated rectangle just my basement. Now that ive upgraded to atmos i feel like i need to upgrade my speakers to get the sound and detail im looking for. My room is just home theater, very little music. I do use a sub i have two polk audio psw 505's. Which i will also upgrade to svs subs next year.


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I think you might want to try a different center speaker. I am a center fanboy and I do not like phantom.

Whatever line you look at you should pay attention to the center offers especially for HT. For me, it's as important as the sub and I would say more important but then would get slaughtered.

It looks to be your weak link. Also from the looks of it you might consider putting your same budget into monitors over towers. You look very close to your speakers. i am believer in upgrading to the next level thru monitors.

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I think you might want to try a different center speaker. I am a center fanboy and I do not like phantom.



Whatever line you look at you should pay attention to the center offers especially for HT. For me, it's as important as the sub and I would say more important but then would get slaughtered.



It looks to be your weak link. Also from the looks of it you might consider putting your same budget into monitors over towers. You look very close to your speakers. i am believer in upgrading to the next level thru monitors.



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I agree my center is def a weak link in my setup. Its my first center and i just didnt want to upgrade it if i was going to switch my setup to different speakers. I do sit rather close to my speakers however this will only be for another year. When i sell my house i will be building a theater room in my new house.


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Also from the looks of it you might consider putting your same budget into monitors over towers. You look very close to your speakers.
KEF LS50s might be a good solution for LCR and surrounds. Don't how the price compares to R300 though.

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The LS50's are on sale right now for $1,200 a pair, the R300's are listed at $1,800 a pair. Some folks prefer the looks of one over the other, others may prioritize the sound. The R300 certainly goes deeper, though most people with stand mount speakers use a subwoofer anyhow. They're all good.

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I haven't heard the R300s. I bought two pairs each of R100s and LS50s as intended surrounds. After a brief comparison, I returned the unopened pair of R100s to KEF and gave the opened pair to a cousin. Of the seven LS50s we now have, my wife has adopted the pair of racing reds, and they're in the living room setup along with a pair of Velodyne HGS-10s. Although I favor small jazz and baroque groups, I've been impressed with the ability of the LS50s with large orchestrations, even something as big as the Decca Blu-ray of Aida.

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hi guys,


I am going to start a new HT setup after being retired for 5 years of the HT field.

I was a year and six months researching and reading reviews in almost every AVSF budget popular bookshelf speaker in the $250 - $750 price range. i was between:

Emp R5Bi
Phillarmonic Affordable Accuracy Monitor
Wavecrest HVL-1
Wharfedale Diamond 10.2
Chane A1.2
Chane A2.4
Ascend Acoustic CMT-340 SE
Ascend Acoustic Sierra 1

and finally today I decided to buy a pair of Q100, i think its a VERY good deal on this @ $299 free shipping! but i have a question for the experts here.

how is the Q200c for reproducing voices?

i want to hear crisp, clear and strongs dialogs in movies WITHOUT having to turn up and down the main volume every time.

i would love to have 3 identical Q100 vertically as LCR but unfortunately this bookshelves only come in pairs. (any chance to buy only one?)

my living room is 15x12x8 open to the kitchen, main listen position is 14 fts.
i already have a sub, Rythmik FVX12. and for the receiver i have in mind the denon X330 or X4200

thanks in advance...
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The Q200c is exactly what you need. It does a fantastic job, and I know because my son has one. Initially it was paired with Q300's, though recently those moved to rear surround duty and Q500's took their place. The Q200c stayed and continues to do the job with aplomb. You might consider that a pair of Q500's might appear in your future and you'd be prepared.

Congratulations on the new speakers. Do let us know what you think once you start using them.
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I just ordered a pair of Q500s! Thank you to everyone who chimed in with tips, advice, and personal experience.

I was going to wait until my current credit card statement closed on 11/24, just to get a little extra time to pay it in full, but I couldn't wait any longer. I have the money, and I'm sure of what I want, so I don't know what I was waiting for. My wife and I hosted my in-laws for dinner tonight, and my wife would be the first to say that her father and my brother-in-law are bad influences on me (funny--I think they're great influences!). After several bottles of (what we consider to be) good wine, and too many slices of local pizza, I started talking about what I was considering buying. Of course they tipped me over the edge, and I can't wait to see (hear) what these bad boys can do! (The speakers, not my in-laws!)

After my wife and son fell asleep, I fired up my laptop for one more research session (and one more glass of malbec). I wanted the European walnut (WAF certified!), and I was a little afraid they might sell out of them. I ordered from KEF Direct because their price is lower than Amazon. The transaction was also a good test of Chase's credit card fraud prevention, as it was initially declined and required me to reply via text message to confirm that it was legit.

I have spent thousands of dollars on luxury watches, world travel, "irresponsible" cars, and countless other things, so I don't know why I had such a hangup on $700 (less than a car payment) for a pair of speakers (plus free earbuds!) that my family and I will use nearly everyday for the next 10+ years. It feel so liberating to finally pull the trigger. I will definitely keep you informed of my first impressions and post-burn-in experience.

Now how long will it take to ship these from NJ to OH?!

I cant wait to feel that feeling (hopefully soon) I am tiring of my HTIB set up and want to move to the next level of sound. I like the rosewood color of the kef's myself I may have to go check this out as it sounds like there may be a sale going on judging by the last page of this thread....
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Just received my Q100.

I don't find them overly bright as some say on Amazon, but the more I read into it, I realize I already have aluminum dome tweeters in my Paradigm Millenia CT & Def Tech SSA-50, so maybe I'm used to them or maybe other rooms are reflective.

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I cant wait to feel that feeling (hopefully soon) I am tiring of my HTIB set up and want to move to the next level of sound. I like the rosewood color of the kef's myself I may have to go check this out as it sounds like there may be a sale going on judging by the last page of this thread....
Just check out KEF Direct to see the current sale pricing on the Q series speakers. Be aware that rosewood finish is sold out (for now) on some models. Free shipping, though KEF does charge a restocking fee if you don't like them and send the back. You can buy through any local dealer for the same prices (plus local sales tax where applied), and there you can probably hear them or do a home demo before committing. Amazon is another source, though my understanding is that they only offer the black ash finish.

Good luck!

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Just received my Q100.

I don't find them overly bright as some say on Amazon, but the more I read into it, I realize I already have aluminum dome tweeters in my Paradigm Millenia CT & Def Tech SSA-50, so maybe I'm used to them or maybe other rooms are reflective.
I imagine some folks writing reviews on Amazon.com may be accustomed to muddy speakers! The "Tangerine Waveguide" on the KEF tweeters does wonders for taming any hint of brightness and helps with off-axis dispersion a good bit.

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