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I checked with my son and he said his Q500's did not come with such isolation pads. Get 8 of the one in the middle of the top row, the "Audio Selections Support Disk". Those are most similar to what came with my speakers. Your speakers will sound better and look cooler!

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I checked with my son and he said his Q500's did not come with such isolation pads. Get 8 of the one in the middle of the top row, the "Audio Selections Support Disk". Those are most similar to what came with my speakers. Your speakers will sound better and look cooler!


Thanks. They must be cutting cost to get the sale price.


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I have a pair of R900 and recently bought a pair of the Q500 for surround use. I can confirm that the Q500 come with the spikes but not with the isolation pads. The R series includes the pads as well. I think there was something in the Q500 manual noting that if you have hardwood floors you may want to put a coin or an official "pad" under the spikes to protect the floors. Not sure why they couldn't throw them in though!
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Is it possible to hang Q200c vertically on the wall behind an AT screen?
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Of course it's possible, you'd just have to work at it a little. There's no bracket on the back of them like the Q100 and Q300, so you'd have to build a shelf or drill into the speaker cabinet.

Why just use a Q300?
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Is it possible to hang Q200c vertically on the wall behind an AT screen?
Anything is possible, doesn't necessarily mean it's a good idea. All kidding aside, you'd be better off putting a Q500 back there. The Q500 would cost you less and is designed to be placed vertically.

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Anything is possible, doesn't necessarily mean it's a good idea. All kidding aside, you'd be better off putting a Q500 back there. The Q500 would cost you less and is designed to be placed vertically.
Thanks! I am looking for center channel to place on the wall(vertically). I saw some pics of Q500 but dont think it comes with keyhole to hang? Thinking to pair it with KEF Q100
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Thanks! I am looking for center channel to place on the wall(vertically). I saw some pics of Q500 but dont think it comes with keyhole to hang? Thinking to pair it with KEF Q100
As Ken mentioned, you can wall mount the Q200 but will have to build a shelf or get creative.
A wall bracket could also be a good solution.
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Thanks! I am looking for center channel to place on the wall(vertically). I saw some pics of Q500 but dont think it comes with keyhole to hang? Thinking to pair it with KEF Q100
Just get another pair of Q100's. That would be less spent than a Q200c, comes with the hanger bracket, matches the L-R speakers, and you can sell the extra one or keep as a spare in case something bad happens.
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Just get another pair of Q100's. That would be less spent than a Q200c, comes with the hanger bracket, matches the L-R speakers, and you can sell the extra one or keep as a spare in case something bad happens.
i am trying to decide between the q300 and the q100. Mainly for movies what do you guys suggest. I think i have read every forum out there and havent found a great answer.

also do people ever sell 1 of these? i want to use a third as center but not sure what to do with the other?
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Just get another pair of Q100's. That would be less spent than a Q200c, comes with the hanger bracket, matches the L-R speakers, and you can sell the extra one or keep as a spare in case something bad happens.
Sorry Ken, I missed you earlier post. Would getting Q100/Q300 for center be as good as Q200c?

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As Ken mentioned, you can wall mount the Q200 but will have to build a shelf or get creative.
A wall bracket could also be a good solution.
https://www.amazon.com/WALI-Clamping...speaker+mounts
Ya, if it does not have keyhole, I don't want to drill them. But if Q100/Q300 can be as good as Q200c, then that's something I can consider. Out of curiosity, why would they make a dedicated center speaker of L/R can work as center? There has to be some difference..
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KEF and most of their competitors make a dedicated center speaker because the vast majority of us put one over or under the video screen and it has to fit lying down. In the case of KEF, all their center speakers are a true 3-way for smoother vocals across the range of male & female voices.

Few people use that type center speaker together with an acoustically transparent screen as it's rare to find that much room behind it. Most just use in-wall speakers. You might consider doing exactly that even if you have to build a box for it. The Ci160QR or Ci200QR would work, can be bought singly, and the match tonally with the rest of the Q series.
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Sorry Ken, I missed you earlier post. Would getting Q100/Q300 for center be as good as Q200c?
Three identical speakers LCR across the front is actually the ideal (it's how theaters are configured, how soundtracks are mixed, etc.). Horizontal centers were created to accommodate space limitations in the average home theater setup, not for improved sound quality.

FWIW I currently run three Q100's LCR and it makes for a very unified "front sound stage".
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KEF and most of their competitors make a dedicated center speaker because the vast majority of us put one over or under the video screen and it has to fit lying down. In the case of KEF, all their center speakers are a true 3-way for smoother vocals across the range of male & female voices.

Few people use that type center speaker together with an acoustically transparent screen as it's rare to find that much room behind it. Most just use in-wall speakers. You might consider doing exactly that even if you have to build a box for it. The Ci160QR or Ci200QR would work, can be bought singly, and the match tonally with the rest of the Q series.
Instead of cutting a hole in the drywall for installation of in wall speakers, if I have room behind my AT screen, can I build a box that fits the inwall speaker and hang it (as I assume it won't be as heavy as a bookshelf or center speaker?). Just a thought... If the stores sell Q100/300 in singles, then I can buy 3 same speakers..
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I think if you buy a single Ci160QR you then have a sonic equivalent to a Q100 and just need to build a small box for it. No stores or on-line retailers sell singles of the Q series, other than the Q200c and Q600c center speakers. You might find singles on eBay, Audiogon, US Audiomart, or other such websites, from people in your same situation. It's happened here already, so search the classifieds here too.
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OK let me start with i am very new to nice speakers so i have no clue what i am doing

I picked up a Yamaha TSR-7810 and 2 kef q300 speakers to begin my system. There are four terminals on the back. i am not bi wiring so do i just connect to the top -+ or the bottom -+ or does it not matter?
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OK let me start with i am very new to nice speakers so i have no clue what i am doing

I picked up a Yamaha TSR-7810 and 2 kef q300 speakers to begin my system. There are four terminals on the back. i am not bi wiring so do i just connect to the top -+ or the bottom -+ or does it not matter?

It does not matter which pair you use, though you DO have to have the "link" knobs all the way clockwise (I think) to have them all connected internally the way you'd normally see other speakers do it with external jumpers. If uncertain, you can always check with a continuity tester from upper to lower to make sure they're connected internally before hooking up speaker wires.

EDIT: I checked my speakers, it's clockwise. "righty-tighty, lefty-loosey" as we say.

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It does not matter which pair you use, though you DO have to have the "link" knobs all the way clockwise (I think) to have them all connected internally the way you'd normally see other speakers do it with external jumpers. If uncertain, you can always check with a continuity tester from upper to lower to make sure they're connected internally before hooking up speaker wires.

EDIT: I checked my speakers, it's clockwise. "righty-tighty, lefty-loosey" as we say.
Ken is right-turn both knobs to the right.

The owners manual shows a diagram.
It has the wires into the bottom plugs.

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Ken is right-turn both knobs to the right.

The owners manual shows a diagram.
It has the wires into the bottom plugs.

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Ken is right-turn both knobs to the right.

The owners manual shows a diagram.
It has the wires into the bottom plugs.

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LOL..And I use the top ones! It's all the same until you get so "picky" that the difference between $33 per 100ft roll of Monoprice CL2 speaker wire and $33 per foot Nordost speaker cable is so profound that you can't possibly put anything less on your mid-fi speakers.

BTW dmgrier, that Yamaha TSR-7810 is a really nice receiver! You can slowly expand the speaker array to get 7.1 or 5.1.2 Atmos.

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I was finally able to test my setup over the weekend and I getting a Phase error for my center speaker Q600c when doing the audyssey test. I have the speaker bi-wire; however, I moved the speaker to the back and the phase error was gone, but I was only doing single wire. Also, I noticed the sound when people are talking is very low compared to the overall sound coming out from my LR speakers Q900. is this normal?
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I was finally able to test my setup over the weekend and I getting a Phase error for my center speaker Q600c when doing the audyssey test. I have the speaker bi-wire; however, I moved the speaker to the back and the phase error was gone, but I was only doing single wire. Also, I noticed the sound when people are talking is very low compared to the overall sound coming out from my LR speakers Q900. is this normal?
When you bi-wired did you turn the both knobs to the left?
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When you bi-wired did you turn the both knobs to the left?
Yes I did, but I haven't been able to test the Q600c in another spot bi-wired. Also, I test the cable with the Q900 and no issue.
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Yes I did, but I haven't been able to test the Q600c in another spot bi-wired. Also, I test the cable with the Q900 and no issue.
If you are only running single wire you need to turn the knobs back to the right.
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If you are only running single wire you need to turn the knobs back to the right.

I did turn the knobs back to the right when I tested it single wire. but the speaker was at another location in the room.
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I did turn the knobs back to the right when I tested it single wire. but the speaker was at another location in the room.
Was the Q600 lower in volume in both locations?
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I was finally able to test my setup over the weekend and I getting a Phase error for my center speaker Q600c when doing the audyssey test. I have the speaker bi-wire; however, I moved the speaker to the back and the phase error was gone, but I was only doing single wire. Also, I noticed the sound when people are talking is very low compared to the overall sound coming out from my LR speakers Q900. is this normal?
Bi-wiring? Tell us exactly what receiver, or pre-processor & amp you are using for this because it's most often a complete waste of time and wire. I know many receivers allow a sort of "bi-amp" configuration by assigning one output channel to two output amps (mine does) though I've never seen one that affords a way to send the center channel signal to two separate amp outputs.

And what do you mean by "moved the speaker to the back"? Back of what, where? Assuming you moved it to a rear or surround channel, I would absolutely expect output (especially dialogue) to be far lower.

I have a feeling you might be wiring this completely wrong but will reserve judgement until we know the configuration of your system. Receiver, outputs in use and all wiring.

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My AV receiver is the Denon X4200W and the Amp Emotiva XPA Gen 3 5 channels. I am just bi-wiring and not bi-amping. Yes I meant by "moved the speaker to the back" changing the location. I swap the Q300 from the rear to the center and move the Q600c from the center to the rear. I didn't check the dialogue volume while the Q600c was in the rear since I only was trying to figure out the phase error.
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My AV receiver is the Denon X4200W and the Amp Emotiva XPA Gen 3 5 channels. I am just bi-wiring and not bi-amping. Yes I meant by "moved the speaker to the back" changing the location. I swap the Q300 from the rear to the center and move the Q600c from the center to the rear. I didn't check the dialogue volume while the Q600c was in the rear since I only was trying to figure out the phase error.
I would just single wire the Q600, connect to your Denon and re-run audyssey. I have a Q200 and get crystal clear dialogue with a much lower end AVR. You may want to make sure your center is connected to the center input on the AVR and your source volumes are turned up. Often times over complicating things is when trouble starts.

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I need a little help please. I am putting a small 3.1 system in our master bedroom at our new vacation home. The room is 13x16 and I doubt my wife will let me crank it up. I am torn between the Q100 or Q300. I will have a small sub so I wounder if there is much benefit with the larger speaker, I suspect not. I like the smaller size. Has anyone heard the T-301C wall speakers? Just wondering if they would match up will with the Q100s.
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