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Hello!

Could you guys that have owned KEF give me some insight as to how the

Q700

Q900

Comparares to SVS PRIME towers, would you consider them to be superior or in the same category? I am looking into putting together a budget HT ($2500 - $3500) excluding receiver. I have a Marantz SR5011, will it be enough to power the Q700/900?

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Hello!

Could you guys that have owned KEF give me some insight as to how the

Q700

Q900

Comparares to SVS PRIME towers, would you consider them to be superior or in the same category? I am looking into putting together a budget HT ($2500 - $3500) excluding receiver. I have a Marantz SR5011, will it be enough to power the Q700/900?

Thank you!
If you're going to be using the system for HT mostly, The Q300 with a good sub such as SVS, PSA, HSU would stretch your budget further. Adding a sub or two (depending on room dimensions) is pretty much mandatory for HT, you would be crossing over at 80hz so the added bass extension the towers would provide is handled by the sub. If you're going to be listening to music a lot, the Q500/700 with a sub would be a good choice. If no sub go with the Q900 but make sure you have the proper amount of space for them.
The SVS prime from everything I've read and from people who have posted in this forum are said to be good for HT but lack refinement when it comes to music.

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Hi guys! I'm a System Designer at Magnolia A/V in Best Buy and just wanted to give y'all a heads up that Magnolia is actually starting to carry KEF now. Don't know when we'll start getting their speakers in on display or what speakers we'll be receiving on display, but as of right now, we can start selling them!
That's good news for people with a BB near them and no audio dealers. Not such good news for my favorite KEF dealer whose store is planted in the corner of the parking lot of a...you guessed it...a Best Buy store with Magnolia. Fortunately for them they're much more knowledgeable than most any BB sales associate.

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That's good news for people with a BB near them and no audio dealers. Not such good news for my favorite KEF dealer whose store is planted in the corner of the parking lot of a...you guessed it...a Best Buy store with Magnolia. Fortunately for them they're much more knowledgeable than most any BB sales associate.
Correct, most BB sales associate, not necessarily system designers in the Design Centers. I just finished KEF training this past week and got to hear the blades. I must say, I'm in love.

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I was curious so I hit the Best Buy website. There's some KEF product showing, but only the few low level 5.1 systems they offer. Are there plans to add the more traditional Q and R series, LS50 & LS50 Wireless, or other up-level products?

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I was curious so I hit the Best Buy website. There's some KEF product showing, but only the few low level 5.1 systems they offer. Are there plans to add the more traditional Q and R series, LS50 & LS50 Wireless, or other up-level products?
Not through Best Buy, but Magnolia Design Centers will carry the full line all the way up to the Muon's. magnoliaav(dot)com is where they will be when they finally start arriving into our showrooms.

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Doesn't seem right that you can buy B&W CM series, Martin Logan electrostatic, Def Tech and Klipsch on Best Buy's website but a lower priced KEF Q series, no.

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So this just happened, super excited as this is going to be my first HT, I will be getting 2xPB2000 to finish it up. All will be driven by a Marantz SR5011. Now my question is, will the receiver be enough to drive this combination? Should I look into an amp? If so what should I look for?


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That Marantz is more than enough. Enjoy the new speakers!
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FOUR of the Q900? Wow.

You'll be well "immersed" in sound.

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So this just happened, super excited as this is going to be my first HT, I will be getting 2xPB2000 to finish it up. All will be driven by a Marantz SR5011. Now my question is, will the receiver be enough to drive this combination? Should I look into an amp? If so what should I look for?

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If you can afford a quality amp and the SR5011 has pre-outs, you will not regret the purchase and will likely never go back to using the internal amps of an AVR. Look at Emotiva's XPA Gen3 or an Outlaw Audio amp.

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That is an overkill with Q900 and two PB2000.
What cheap amp is good for Q300s, I would add it to my marantz 5010 on preamp for fronts, or even just for center speaker.
Something used to look at?
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Doesn't seem right that you can buy B&W CM series, Martin Logan electrostatic, Def Tech and Klipsch on Best Buy's website but a lower priced KEF Q series, no.
Technically you can't purchase any of the bowers speakers online, but the reasoning for that is what you brought up. They don't want just anyone to sell it, they want people that are trained on the product to be able to show you your best solution.

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To those of you using LS50 for a center, does it have enough output, considering its just one 5" driver?

Am wondering whether 5 x LS50s would improve on my Tannoy Revolution XT setup, or just be a waste of time.
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I'm a big fan of LS50s, and have 7 of them. I tried a setup using them for front LCR in place of my KEF Reference 107/2s and an R600C. I replaced the mid/HF module of each 107/2 with an LS50 that sat atop the 107/2. The result wasn't a fully sorted setup, A couple of us who listened preferred the 107/2s and R600C to the trio of LS50s. A pair of Velodyne HGS-15s with an SMS-1 bass manager are used for surround music and HT, so it wasn't just a LF problem. Had I been willing to move the pair of 100 pound 107/2s, I could provide a more definitive answer. But I wasn't. So I use 4 LS50s for surround, and replaced the R600C with a Reference 204/2C that blends better with the 107/2s -- the R600C seemed to have an emphasis perhaps aimed at the speech frequencies that colored the music in way I didn't care for.

I have no idea what a Tannoy Revolution XT setup sounds like. The 107/2s are magnificent when driven by Parasound JC 1 monoblocks. I use a pair of properly sorted LS50s for stereo in another setup, and I think they sound great.

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Hello

I have recently purchased a pair of Q700's for my HT setup


My question is, after reading the posts on this forum everyone seems to be leaning towards the fact that the Q900's are way way better overall.. I don't need any more bass and the fact is that I could still return the Q700's to Visions and upgrade? to the Q900's but I am very torn with this decision. Are the 900's really that much better? or more to the point, why does everyone seem to immediately gloss over the Q700's?
I would say 70% movies/gaming and 30% music. When I do listen to music I like it LOUD
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I have recently purchased a pair of Q700's for my HT setup


My question is, after reading the posts on this forum everyone seems to be leaning towards the fact that the Q900's are way way better overall.. I don't need any more bass and the fact is that I could still return the Q700's to Visions and upgrade? to the Q900's but I am very torn with this decision. Are the 900's really that much better? or more to the point, why does everyone seem to immediately gloss over the Q700's?
I would say 70% movies/gaming and 30% music. When I do listen to music I like it LOUD

I am just worried that in a year from now I will be mad that I didn't just buy the 900's in the first place.

And no, I'm not willing to spend that kind of money to move up to the R series..., I got the 700's for $799, there are a pair of open box 900's for 1050 but there is some damage to the timber and one of the radiators has a dent in it, so i'm kind of skeptical... the Q700's are new.
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That is an overkill with Q900 and two PB2000.
What cheap amp is good for Q300s, I would add it to my marantz 5010 on preamp for fronts, or even just for center speaker.
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Why is it overkill?


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I wouldn't be in a position to judge it to be overkill without knowing the size of the room and the distance between the four Q900's and the main listening position.

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With subs involved playing low end, Q900 advantage disapears in their low end.
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Im looking to get a 3rd Q100 as a center channel. Anyone looking to sell one or willing to split a pair? Q200C is a little outside my budget.
Hi,

I just joined this forum recently. What color are you planning to get this in? I currently have a pair of Q300 in European Walnut and another Q100 pair for rears also in European Walnut on the way... Well they're not yet shipped. All powered by a Marantz SR5010 which I got refurbished from Accessories4Less.

I too think that the Q200C is a bit overpriced. I would like to consider using a single Q100 as the center channel. I will try that once I get the Q100s delivered to me.
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Hi,

I just joined this forum recently. What color are you planning to get this in? I currently have a pair of Q300 in European Walnut and another Q100 pair for rears also in European Walnut on the way... Well they're not yet shipped. All powered by a Marantz SR5010 which I got refurbished from Accessories4Less.

I too think that the Q200C is a bit overpriced. I would like to consider using a single Q100 as the center channel. I will try that once I get the Q100s delivered to me.
I was looking for Black Oak, but let me know what your thoughts are anyways. Still trying to decide.
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I too think that the Q200C is a bit overpriced. I would like to consider using a single Q100 as the center channel. I will try that once I get the Q100s delivered to me.
I'm also thinking that way, Q200C "price shock". Although I'm also considering 3 Q300 as L/C/R.

As an experiment with my current setup of older Paradigm speakers I'm using a Paradigm Titan speaker (similar size as Q300) laid sideways as center channel, and it sounds OK, actually better than my Pioneer SP-C22.

Theater 1 (living room): 65" TV Sony XBR65X900F, Denon AVR-S720W receiver, speakers for 5.1: 6 Kef Q100 (dual center), Klipsch SW-110B 10" subwoofer.
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Video sources: Telus 1080i PVR, Apple TV 3 (Netflix, YT), Sony 1080P BR player
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I'll perhaps be in the minority but I do not consider the Q200c to be overpriced at all for what it delivers. You'd have to compare to arrive at the conclusion I have and that's not practical for many. If Best Buy Magnolia starts showing KEF perhaps more people could.

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I just joined this forum recently. What color are you planning to get this in? I currently have a pair of Q300 in European Walnut and another Q100 pair for rears also in European Walnut on the way... Well they're not yet shipped. All powered by a Marantz SR5010 which I got refurbished from Accessories4Less.

I too think that the Q200C is a bit overpriced. I would like to consider using a single Q100 as the center channel. I will try that once I get the Q100s delivered to me.
I would highly advise not to go with Q100 for center, next to Q300.
I had Q200 and found it sounding thim,and ended up upgrading to Q600,
Q100 I had before Q300 and they r just lacking fullness in sound.

Either go with Q300 as center or at least q200
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Just received my Q500s today. I have to say, I love them. I spent weeks researching speakers. The Monitor Audio Bronze 2s had an issue where the "S" and "T"s in movies were super sharp, it would hurt my ear past 45 level on the volume knob. No issue there with the KEFs, which I thought would be worse given that they are known for a forward soundstage and clear voices. I thought the tile in my room was making it worse. The MA bronze 2s I had to turn away facing straight with no toe-in to minimize the sibilance but it killed a bit of the soundstage.
The KEF Q500s are pointed straight at my face and no issues there, movies or music. I'm psyched.
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Just received my Q500s today. I have to say, I love them. I spent weeks researching speakers. The Monitor Audio Bronze 2s had an issue where the "S" and "T"s in movies were super sharp, it would hurt my ear past 45 level on the volume knob. No issue there with the KEFs, which I thought would be worse given that they are known for a forward soundstage and clear voices. I thought the tile in my room was making it worse. The MA bronze 2s I had to turn away facing straight with no toe-in to minimize the sibilance but it killed a bit of the soundstage.
The KEF Q500s are pointed straight at my face and no issues there, movies or music. I'm psyched.
Try them with minimal/no toe-in. One of the biggest advantages of the uni-q is the wide dispersion, so you can get a really big "sweet spot" with KEF speakers. Enjoy!
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Great feedback on the Q500's! Glad you found what I believe to be true, a pretty amazing speaker...especially at the current pricing.

I do agree, you don't need much or any toe-in with the Uni-Q drivers. My R500 aren't toed-in at all and I'm usually off axis a bit. Still great stereo imaging!

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To follow-up - I removed the drawer and the look is, well.....not good. Then, after paging through this thread again I had a revelation - what if I used an in-wall KEF speaker and custom made a box that would fit inside my current "center speaker drawer" in my A/V cabinet?

I called KEF USA today and spoke with a super-helpful technician who confirmed that my idea is plausible and something others have done (which I suspect many of you seasoned audiophiles already know quite well). His suggestion for the speaker is the Ci4100QL. I can't stress enough how helpful the KEF rep was in answering my questions - my customer service experience today made me feel even better going with KEF for my system.

So, the two options I'm now considering are:

1. Build a custom box for the Ci4100QL, which from what I've read and heard today will get me close to the sound of the Q200C, perhaps with a little added base.

2. Remove the face from the drawer of my A/V Cabinet and permanently mount the face (or maybe put it on a hinge) so that it retains its present nicely finished look and then slide in the Q200c from the open back. Removing the drawer structure would give me another inch of height which then allows the Q200c to fit.

I was originally planning to go with the Q300's for my fronts but the technician felt that if I went with option #1 , the Q100's might be a better match for the Ci4100QL's, though he did confirm that either would be a viable match.
Ken and others - I'm still working through my center channel dilemma and would appreciate your input. I've ruled out the Q200c as it won't fit in my a/v cabinet. I was sold on putting a Ci4100QL in a box that I would custom make and size to fit my cabinet but in reviewing the KEF site I just discovered the R200c height at 6.7" would fit in my cabinet's 7" height.

My questions:

1. Would the R200c be a significant upgrade compared to the Ci4100QL?
2. Would one over the other better match my Q100s that serve as my front mains?
3. Is the R200c ported or sealed and would placing it in a pull-out drawer (with a speaker fabric cover front) degrade the sound?

Placing such a nice-looking speaker as the R200c in a concealed cabinet just seems wrong and the price is a bit more than hoped but if the sound quality is likely to be much better, that and the ease of install over having to create the box would be worth it to me.

Thanks!
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Ken and others - I'm still working through my center channel dilemma and would appreciate your input. I've ruled out the Q200c as it won't fit in my a/v cabinet. I was sold on putting a Ci4100QL in a box that I would custom make and size to fit my cabinet but in reviewing the KEF site I just discovered the R200c height at 6.7" would fit in my cabinet's 7" height.

My questions:

1. Would the R200c be a significant upgrade compared to the Ci4100QL?
2. Would one over the other better match my Q100s that serve as my front mains?
3. Is the R200c ported or sealed and would placing it in a pull-out drawer (with a speaker fabric cover front) degrade the sound?

Placing such a nice-looking speaker as the R200c in a concealed cabinet just seems wrong and the price is a bit more than hoped but if the sound quality is likely to be much better, that and the ease of install over having to create the box would be worth it to me.

Thanks!
The r200c is rear ported, but mine is in a shelf in my stand so I keep the rear port plugged. Even with the port plugged it does a fantastic job of rendering center channel. My L/R are LS50 and I feel it matches really well. Sorry but I don't have any experience with the Q series.
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