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I am just worried that in a year from now I will be mad that I didn't just buy the 900's in the first place.

And no, I'm not willing to spend that kind of money to move up to the R series..., I got the 700's for $799, there are a pair of open box 900's for 1050 but there is some damage to the timber and one of the radiators has a dent in it, so i'm kind of skeptical... the Q700's are new.
Given the fact that the Q900's in question have damage, I would pass on that particular pair.
The Q900's will have more bass, a little more oomph and play louder but difference in SPL will be marginal. Over the years I've had big Cerwin Vega (comparable to the SL 12) some Kenwood speakers with 12" drivers and a few others not worth mentioning. Though none of them can compete with the Kef's, I've found that the big drivers can shake the house with bass and volume but I get clearer mids and highs with the smaller drivers which I actually prefer since my subs can handle the bass and shake the house if I wanted to. I'll most likely get Q500's when I'm ready to complete my setup.
You can always go down to Visions and listen to the Q900's and decide for yourself which you prefer.

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Ken and others - I'm still working through my center channel dilemma and would appreciate your input. I've ruled out the Q200c as it won't fit in my a/v cabinet. I was sold on putting a Ci4100QL in a box that I would custom make and size to fit my cabinet but in reviewing the KEF site I just discovered the R200c height at 6.7" would fit in my cabinet's 7" height.

My questions:

1. Would the R200c be a significant upgrade compared to the Ci4100QL?
2. Would one over the other better match my Q100s that serve as my front mains?
3. Is the R200c ported or sealed and would placing it in a pull-out drawer (with a speaker fabric cover front) degrade the sound?

Placing such a nice-looking speaker as the R200c in a concealed cabinet just seems wrong and the price is a bit more than hoped but if the sound quality is likely to be much better, that and the ease of install over having to create the box would be worth it to me.

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You could keep the rear port of the R200c plugged though there may still be some resonance of the drawer itself. That can be mitigated by stuffing closed-cell foam into the gaps here & there. If you do this, of course you should use just the outer grill of the drawer and preserve the nice magnetically attached grill of the speaker. Yes, the R200c's crossover and drivers are up a level or two from the CI4000QL. I have an R200c and it's really amazing. Keep all the bits and pieces just in case you ever rearrange/re-engineer the listening environment and get that beautiful speaker out in the open so it can breathe.

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Well, it's time to retire my BIC of America speakers which have been a good speaker system for the last 15 years. For the price I paid for all my BIC speakers, they were a solid performer, with good sound quality.

Since I upgraded my system last year, which purchased my new Anthem MRX 1120 AV receiver, 4 KEF R50 up firing Atmos speakers along with my JL Audio E-110 sub, it was time to upgrade my main speakers.

With the special promotion that KEF Direct has going right now, I decided to purchase 2- KEF 700Q's, a pair of KEF Q300's and the KEF Q600C.

My new KEF's should arrive next Friday and once I have setup and calibrated my new KEF's with the Anthem ARC calibration system, I'll give my opinion on how the KEF 'ssound compared to my older BIC's. I'm sure I'll hear the difference for sure.

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Just received my Q500s today. I have to say, I love them. I spent weeks researching speakers. The Monitor Audio Bronze 2s had an issue where the "S" and "T"s in movies were super sharp, it would hurt my ear past 45 level on the volume knob. No issue there with the KEFs, which I thought would be worse given that they are known for a forward soundstage and clear voices. I thought the tile in my room was making it worse. The MA bronze 2s I had to turn away facing straight with no toe-in to minimize the sibilance but it killed a bit of the soundstage.

The KEF Q500s are pointed straight at my face and no issues there, movies or music. I'm psyched.


When I turn mine up they really shine. I didn't realize the detail I had been missing.


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I assume you meant R900 or R700, as there is no such thing as a an R799.

I won't comment without knowing the placement of speakers relative to the listening position, the loudness you need or want at that position, whether or not you're using the speakers with a subwoofer, music or home cinema, what kind of music, and means of amplification.
I cannot comment on loudness, usual one and sometimes quite loud
For now it's without subwoofer. They will be used for HT as well and in the future I might buy subwoofer but it's not pressing.
Listening distance will be arount 3 meters. I prepared the drawing with my room, I would prefer to put them as far (close to wall) as possible without problems.
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Sorry, listening distance will be bigger. 4 or even around 5 meters.
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I am just worried that in a year from now I will be mad that I didn't just buy the 900's in the first place.

And no, I'm not willing to spend that kind of money to move up to the R series..., I got the 700's for $799, there are a pair of open box 900's for 1050 but there is some damage to the timber and one of the radiators has a dent in it, so i'm kind of skeptical... the Q700's are new.
The Q900 have bigger drivers which will allow for greater headroom more bass and greater sensitivity.
I just recently upgraded from Q900/q600c to the r700/r600c.
Its been a little over a week and I must say im not 100% sure that it was worth it yet....
Im still getting use to their sound. The r700s are not as efficient as the q900s.
I just cant put my finger on what the issue is...
My room is 14x12.
I mean the R series does sound a little bit better but not leaps and bounds ahead of the q series.
Im just glad that I didnt pay retail...I got a great deal on the r700s used...a deal I couldnt pass up. The r600c I got off of accessories4less.
I'll have to use the outter bungd w the r700s...maybe Im just not used to their sound yet. Its hard to blend the svs sb13 ultras and the r700s. They are very clear and detailed. Very good build quality. Bass is pretty impressive. They are about 2 years old...
To me the r600c is not as clear as the r700s. You can tell this when selecting channel level and switching between fl c fr.
Seems more muddy not as clear. For male voices maybe extra bass driver. Any one else notice this? Q600 seems clearer from memory
I like my speaker set as large and xo at 80hz. I have tried small and 80 xo and just sounds very thin. Not for me. I have the denon sub set up as main+lfe. SSeems to have better bass for subs and r700s. I did have to use the room gain compensation feature on the sb13's and it did help with blending better.

I still have my q900 and q600. I will have to swap them out and see how they sound now that I have had the r series.
I will post some pics of my set up
I really liked the q900, so go for it. You will like them.

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The Q900 have bigger drivers which will allow for greater headroom more bass and greater sensitivity.
I just recently upgraded from Q900/q600c to the r700/r600c.
Its been a little over a week and I must say im not 100% sure that it was worth it yet....
Im still getting use to their sound. The r700s are not as efficient as the q900s.
I just cant put my finger on what the issue is...
My room is 14x12.
I mean the R series does sound a little bit better but not leaps and bounds ahead of the q series.
Im just glad that I didnt pay retail...I got a great deal on the r700s used...a deal I couldnt pass up. The r600c I got off of accessories4less.
I'll have to use the outter bungd w the r700s...maybe Im just not used to their sound yet. Its hard to blend the svs sb13 ultras and the r700s. They are very clear and detailed. Very good build quality. Bass is pretty impressive. They are about 2 years old...
To me the r600c is not as clear as the r700s. You can tell this when selecting channel level and switching between fl c fr.
Seems more muddy not as clear. Any one else notice this?
I like my speaker set as large and xo at 80hz. I have tried small and 80 xo and just sounds very thin. Not for me. I have the denon sub set up as main+lfe. SSeems to have better bass for subs and r700s. I did have to use the room gain compensation feature on the sb13's and it did help with blending better.

I still have my q900 and q600. I will have to swap them out and see how they sound now that I have had the r series.
I will post some pics of my set up
I really liked the q900, so go for it. You will like them.
I think what you are missing is the colorization of the 6.5" midrange.
The Q300's, Q700's and Q900's have the larger mid that a lot of people prefer
because of the fatter midrange sound.
Measurements show a bump in frequency response.

The R series are a more accurate speaker.

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Ok Steve
Thank you for your input.
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To me the r600c is not as clear as the r700s. You can tell this when selecting channel level and switching between fl c fr.
Seems more muddy not as clear. For male voices maybe extra bass driver. Any one else notice this? Q600 seems clearer from memory
I like my speaker set as large and xo at 80hz. I have tried small and 80 xo and just sounds very thin. Not for me.
My complaint with the R600C was with what seemed to be mid-bass emphasis, so I replaced it with a Reference 204/2C that has no such emphasis even though it has two additional drivers. I don't like the idea of doubling up in the bass region by running the mains as large with sub. I suspect you should work more on on trying to integrate the sub with the R700s or try the R700s without a sub.

Caveat: I have never heard an R700, but I thought the R600C was a very decent sounding speaker in mono. It just didn't blend as well as I wanted with my more transparent Reference 107/2s, but that was an unreasonable expectation on my part. The 204/2C blends seamlessly with the 107/2s, but it's a 3.5' wide 76 pound monster many would not consider as a center speaker.

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I like my speaker set as large and xo at 80hz. I have tried small and 80 xo and just sounds very thin. Not for me. I have the denon sub set up as main+lfe. SSeems to have better bass for subs and r700s. I did have to use the room gain compensation feature on the sb13's and it did help with blending better.
If the speaker is set as large the crossover is defeated. My guess is either speaker will require some EQ and be crossed over. Not surprised it sounded "muddy" running in full range.

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Hi,

I just joined this forum recently. What color are you planning to get this in? I currently have a pair of Q300 in European Walnut and another Q100 pair for rears also in European Walnut on the way... Well they're not yet shipped. All powered by a Marantz SR5010 which I got refurbished from Accessories4Less.

I too think that the Q200C is a bit overpriced. I would like to consider using a single Q100 as the center channel. I will try that once I get the Q100s delivered to me.
I am also looking for a walnut Q100 to split in NYC, are you close by?
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I think what you are missing is the colorization of the 6.5" midrange.
The Q300's, Q700's and Q900's have the larger mid that a lot of people prefer
because of the fatter midrange sound.
Measurements show a bump in frequency response.

The R series are a more accurate speaker.

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In hindsight, I wish I had gone with the Q500/200C/100 setup vs. the 700/600C/300 due to the midrange driver. KEF's sweet spot for the Uni-Q is 5-1/4. The 6-1/2 is colored and the 8" is even worse on the Q900.

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I am also looking for a walnut Q100 to split in NYC, are you close by?
Unfortunately no. I am all the way on the opposite coast... Washington State, near Portland.
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I was looking for Black Oak, but let me know what your thoughts are anyways. Still trying to decide.
I would like to avoid changing the color as far as possible. Like you, I too am trying to decide. My Q100s should be with me by the next weekend. Will give one a try using as a center & update this thread.

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I'll perhaps be in the minority but I do not consider the Q200c to be overpriced at all for what it delivers. You'd have to compare to arrive at the conclusion I have and that's not practical for many. If Best Buy Magnolia starts showing KEF perhaps more people could.
My biggest issue is perhaps with the fact that for the price of a Q200c, you could get 2 Q300s and still be left over with $100 at the current pricing. Think about it from a cost of manufacturing perspective. You will get 2 of the larger UniQ drivers & double the cabinet space... for $100 less. For sure, the manufacturing costs of 2 Q300s MUST be more than that of 1 Q200c. What confuses the crap out of me, is that the Center Channel is supposed to have LESS Low end compared to the FLR speakers. Then why in the world does the Q series center channel have an added bass driver? To add on to my dissatisfaction, the Q200c is currently not available in European Walnut.

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I would highly advise not to go with Q100 for center, next to Q300.
I had Q200 and found it sounding thim,and ended up upgrading to Q600,
Q100 I had before Q300 and they r just lacking fullness in sound.

Either go with Q300 as center or at least q200
Thanks for your inputs. I will be getting the Q100s next weekend & will be testing them thoroughly by comparing them to the Q300s. I wish I knew about the 'Coloration on the 6.5" UniQ Driver' that everyone here seems to be talking about before I bought the Q300s. The whole reason I went for the Q300s is so that I don't loose too much on the Bass extension as I didn't plan on getting a Sub... considering I live in a condo. Is this the coloration everyone's talking about? Or is the issue due to the Marantz SR5010 being too much on the warm side?

I did notice that the Q300s seem a bit too laid back. I always feel "Wanting" a more forward Upper Mid Range. In spite of EQing it, I still can't get what I am really craving for. Audessy totally skews it towards the Low Frequency side by subduing the Highs & Mids and increasing the Lows. So, I keep it off. I did notice at some point in the past that increasing the volume substantially improves the sound. However, unfortunately, condo living demands that I turn down the volume much lower than I would like. Last time I increased the volume to 70, I incited complaints from the neighbors. I really would prefer not to be the JackAss neighbor.
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I would like to avoid changing the color as far as possible. Like you, I too am trying to decide. My Q100s should be with me by the next weekend. Will give one a try using as a center & update this thread.


My biggest issue is perhaps with the fact that for the price of a Q200c, you could get 2 Q300s and still be left over with $100 at the current pricing. Think about it from a cost of manufacturing perspective. You will get 2 of the larger UniQ drivers & double the cabinet space... for $100 less. For sure, the manufacturing costs of 2 Q300s MUST be more than that of 1 Q200c. What confuses the crap out of me, is that the Center Channel is supposed to have LESS Low end compared to the FLR speakers. Then why in the world does the Q series center channel have an added bass driver? To add on to my dissatisfaction, the Q200c is currently not available in European Walnut.

On KEF Direct here in the US the Q200c is the exact same price as a pair of Q300 right now, not $100 more than them.

True it doesn't seem available THERE in European Walnut, but any authorized stocking dealer will sell any Q series for the same price as KEF Direct so if they have a Q200c in European Walnut, it's $399.99.

The Q300 has a single 6-1/2" Uni-Q driver, a front port and is a 2-way speaker. The Q200c has a 5-1/4" Uni-Q driver, one 5-1/4" LF driver, and a 5-1/4" ABR (no port) and is a true 3-way speaker. No it can't deliver quite as much bass, but it's a different type of speaker with a different task. It's going to handle primarily dialogue and is engineered to do so smoothly. And it does. Adding to cost per unit is that less of them are sold. Many speaker pairs are used in 2.0 or 2.1 music systems rather than home theater applications, so sell in far greater quantities. Case in point being the pair of Q300's I bought and sent to my brother in North Carolina. Music only, in a 2.0 setup and he loves 'em!

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I would like to avoid changing the color as far as possible. Like you, I too am trying to decide. My Q100s should be with me by the next weekend. Will give one a try using as a center & update this thread.


My biggest issue is perhaps with the fact that for the price of a Q200c, you could get 2 Q300s and still be left over with $100 at the current pricing. Think about it from a cost of manufacturing perspective. You will get 2 of the larger UniQ drivers & double the cabinet space... for $100 less. For sure, the manufacturing costs of 2 Q300s MUST be more than that of 1 Q200c. What confuses the crap out of me, is that the Center Channel is supposed to have LESS Low end compared to the FLR speakers. Then why in the world does the Q series center channel have an added bass driver? To add on to my dissatisfaction, the Q200c is currently not available in European Walnut.


Thanks for your inputs. I will be getting the Q100s next weekend & will be testing them thoroughly by comparing them to the Q300s. I wish I knew about the 'Coloration on the 6.5" UniQ Driver' that everyone here seems to be talking about before I bought the Q300s. The whole reason I went for the Q300s is so that I don't loose too much on the Bass extension as I didn't plan on getting a Sub... considering I live in a condo. Is this the coloration everyone's talking about? Or is the issue due to the Marantz SR5010 being too much on the warm side?

I did notice that the Q300s seem a bit too laid back. I always feel "Wanting" a more forward Upper Mid Range. In spite of EQing it, I still can't get what I am really craving for. Audessy totally skews it towards the Low Frequency side by subduing the Highs & Mids and increasing the Lows. So, I keep it off. I did notice at some point in the past that increasing the volume substantially improves the sound. However, unfortunately, condo living demands that I turn down the volume much lower than I would like. Last time I increased the volume to 70, I incited complaints from the neighbors. I really would prefer not to be the JackAss neighbor.
You should try increasing the source level on your AVR, then turn down the master volume. Your sources levels are probably too low. I play the system at-45 (35 on a 0-98 scale) and it's plenty loud and clear for most content. I do turn it up more for 2.1 stereo and I am running 2 subs with my setup though.

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On KEFDirect here in the US the Q200c is the exact same price as a pair of Q300 right now, not $100 more than them.

True it doesn't seem available THERE in European Walnut, but any authorized stocking dealer will sell any Q series for the same price as KEF Direct so if they have a Q200c in European Walnut, it's $399.99.

The Q300 has a single 6-1/2" Uni-Q driver, a front port and is a 2-way speaker. The Q200c has a 5-1/4" Uni-Q driver, one 5-1/4" LF driver, and a 5-1/4" ABR (no port) and is a true 3-way speaker. No it can't deliver quite as much bass, but it's a different type of speaker with a different task. It's going to handle primarily dialogue and is engineered to do so smoothly. And it does. Adding to cost per unit is that less of them are sold. Many speaker pairs are used in 2.0 or 2.1 music systems rather than home theater applications, so sell in far greater quantities. Case in point being the pair of Q300's I bought and sent to my brother in North Carolina. Music only, in a 2.0 setup and he loves 'em!
You are absolutely right. Although, I must say, I do like my Q300s, but I don't Love them... atleast not yet. They are 85% there. I'm trying to figure out how to push them to 95%.

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You should try increasing the source level on your AVR, then turn down the master volume. Your sources levels are probably too low. I play the system at-45 (35 on a 0-98 scale) and it's plenty loud and clear for most content. I do turn it up more for 2.1 stereo and I am running 2 subs with my setup though.
I never considered this! I will get back home & try this tonight for sure. Although I have never touched this setting (not even sure where they are), I am sure Audessy must have messed around with it. Sources I normally use are Spotify on my PS4 for music along with music files on USB directly from the AVR. Again, the PS4 for Games as well as Blu Ray Movies. Then the Xfinity Cable TV. And lastly Amazon Prime Movies using the ARC from my TV. I assume all of these sources would have individual Volume adjustments in the settings section of the AVR.
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Those Q300's are crying for better music quality source than Spotify. Try putting a good ol' CD into the PS4 and try that. It should sound a whole lot better than 256kbps streaming.
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Exactly, you can have reference series, but they wont play close to what they are capable of if u feed them with crappy signal...
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The best money I spent on speakers...was the Bluesound Vault I got as a dealer demo unit for $600 in December 2015 because I immediately signed up for a subscription to Tidal HiFi. Immediate improvement even over my Sony CD player. When the TEAC disk reader failed I sent it in for warranty repair though was tipped off by my dealer that if I asked about an upgrade I'd only pay the $200 difference between the $1000 original price of the gen 1 Vault and the new Vault 2. I did that. Within weeks a firmware update to all Bluesound units was issued and I could decode MQA files. A couple months after that, Tidal HiFi began streaming MQA files and great for even better!

I mention this because I gifted my son a gen 1 Node N100 that I got new (with full warranty) for $300. There are a few popping up on eBay for even less, as I got a used one for my brother for $211.25. Both are now streaming MQA files through their Q500's (son) and Q300's (brother) and are in awe of the sound quality from their speakers despite running older receivers. I also picked up another Node N100 off eBay for under $240 and have it hooked up to a cheap Pioneer receiver in my upstairs bedroom where my daughter lives. She can take that system when she moves out in about 2 weeks, I can move my Vault 2 up there and stream via the BlueOS in my NAD receiver.

My point is that with premium source material is used, the speakers really perform to their full potential.

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New owner of KEF speakers! Loving it so far. 2 Q300's and Q600C. (Hsu VTF-2 MK3 & Triad Silver subs. 4 Ascend CBM-170 SE's for surrounds).
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I have the same LCR combo
Such a good match with Q600. I have SVS PB-1000 to add some grunt when needed, allthough even speakers alone produce really rich sound.
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Hi,

I just joined this forum recently. What color are you planning to get this in? I currently have a pair of Q300 in European Walnut and another Q100 pair for rears also in European Walnut on the way... Well they're not yet shipped. All powered by a Marantz SR5010 which I got refurbished from Accessories4Less.

I too think that the Q200C is a bit overpriced. I would like to consider using a single Q100 as the center channel. I will try that once I get the Q100s delivered to me.
Q600c is awesome. Only options for center are Q200c, Q600c or another Q300. Dont use anything else as long as you have the Q300s as Left and Right.

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I'll perhaps be in the minority but I do not consider the Q200c to be overpriced at all for what it delivers. You'd have to compare to arrive at the conclusion I have and that's not practical for many. If Best Buy Magnolia starts showing KEF perhaps more people could.
The Q200c is lacking in bass and meid range when compared to the Q600c. Ive tested both and with the Q900 as L/R you must have the Q600c. Q300 and the Q200C makes more sense but if the pwner wants to upgrade to more speakers then having the Q600c to start with allows for growth. I started with Two Q300s then bought Q900s and Q600c then added Q800ds and then another Q900s. All over the space of a year. All up to the owner and what they think may happen in the future I guess.

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New owner of KEF speakers! Loving it so far. 2 Q300's and Q600C. (Hsu VTF-2 MK3 & Triad Silver subs. 4 Ascend CBM-170 SE's for surrounds).
WTG! Q600c is a good move!

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The Q200c is lacking in bass and meid range when compared to the Q600c. Ive tested both and with the Q900 as L/R you must have the Q600c. Q300 and the Q200C makes more sense but if the pwner wants to upgrade to more speakers then having the Q600c to start with allows for growth. I started with Two Q300s then bought Q900s and Q600c then added Q800ds and then another Q900s. All over the space of a year. All up to the owner and what they think may happen in the future I guess.

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My Q900 arrive tomorrow, what are your thoughts about them? What do you dislike? Are the Q900 comparable with SVS ultra or more to SVS Prime?


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My Q900 arrive tomorrow, what are your thoughts about them? What do you dislike? Are the Q900 comparable with SVS ultra or more to SVS Prime?


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I havent heard the SVS speakers but the Q900 are very good for the price. I have now moved up the Kef line to some custom install Reference series. My setup ended up

L/R Q900
C Q600c
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It was a little weird with the Q800ds as rear surrounds but suited the room I had them setup in. The Q300 in Front wide were amazing. I really miss that speaker position with my new AVR but then I love Atmos now with the new AVR. I also recomend getting a class A/B power amp. I added a Rotel 1585 and it may have been overkill with 5ch x 200wpc but it gave the Q900s and other speakers so much more clarity and warmth. I class it as the biggest improvement I have done to that setup over extra adding speakers. This is emphasised even more the more speakers you run. If its just a pair of Q900 then you will be fine. But more power the better the driver can control itself amd do what it wants etc.

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I havent heard the SVS speakers but the Q900 are very good for the price. I have now moved up the Kef line to some custom install Reference series. My setup ended up

L/R Q900
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It was a little weird with the Q800ds as rear surrounds but suited the room I had them setup in. The Q300 in Front wide were amazing. I really miss that speaker position with my new AVR but then I love Atmos now with the new AVR. I also recomend getting a class A/B power amp. I added a Rotel 1585 and it may have been overkill with 5ch x 200wpc but it gave the Q900s and other speakers so much more clarity and warmth. I class it as the biggest improvement I have done to that setup over extra adding speakers. This is emphasised even more the more speakers you run. If its just a pair of Q900 then you will be fine. But more power the better the driver can control itself amd do what it wants etc.

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Congratulations on your upgrade thank you for sharing. I ordered 4 Q900 and 1 Q600c along with a Marantz SR 5011 which I hope won't be underpowered @ 100w per channel my very next purchase will be 2 SVS PB2000 and then I will look into a dedicated amp. I ask because I know nothing about KEF I just saw the sale and thought it was good . It is hard to find reviews on the Q900


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Congratulations on your upgrade thank you for sharing. I ordered 4 Q900 and 1 Q600c along with a Marantz SR 5011 which I hope won't be underpowered @ 100w per channel my very next purchase will be 2 SVS PB2000 and then I will look into a dedicated amp. I ask because I know nothing about KEF I just saw the sale and thought it was good . It is hard to find reviews on the Q900


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4 Q900 is good! Q600C is also good. You will love having 4 equal speakers surround you. I dont know the Marantz too much, Im more of a Denon / Yammy man. The 2x SVS subs will go well too! I used to have a single pc13ultra and found it suited well and was easy to integrate. However 2 subs will be more even and more smoother.

I regard the Q900 as best bang for buck Home Theater speaker. So you have picked a good special to pick up. Where did you buy from?

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