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post #14791 of 19996 Old 08-30-2018, 05:22 AM
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The Marantz NR1608 may be all you need. How far from the speakers will you be sitting and how loud do you like to have the movies or music? The Denon does have a lot more features.

The weakest part of that T205 system is the T-2 "subwoofer". It's the same one used with the T305 system and rated for only 30hz. I'd bet it's down by at least -6dB at 30hz too. It'll work to start with. Also, if you've got the space for the additional height (or in the case of the horizontal center speaker, additional length) of the T301 series speaker that set has a list price of only $200 more. If you're in the US and don't mind buying this way, there's two of the T305 sets on eBay right now for just $1200. That's a killer deal!
Thank you for such a swift reply Ken. That T305 price is amazing. I'm actually in Europe and will be getting a second hand T205 for EUR 1000, which translates to rougly USD 1.170. Still a pretty good deal considering the cheapest price over here is USD 1.800. I am aware of the fact that the woofer is a bit subpar but I'm prepared to live with it for now, perhaps replace it with something more serious down the line.

Now that you mention features I am using Nvidia shield and would like to pass through the TrueHD signal to the amp, will definitely do some more detailed comparisons.

I'll be sitting rougly 2m away from them, as my living room is quite small.
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I've always kept the grilles on my R500's, R200c, and R100's too. I do remove them occasionally for "critical 2-channel listening", but never noticed that. Of course I'll now have a closer look and report back.

In the meantime, this would be a good reason to call or e-mail KEF Tech Support!
Emailed them yesterday. Hopefully I'll hear back today. If you (or anyone else) could check to see if you've got any marks from the magnets on the grilles that would be great!

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Planning my first (!) home theater build ever has been a rollercoaster of indecision. On the one hand, I know for sure that whatever I end up getting will blow me away, since all I've ever had are Bluetooth speakers for music and cheap soundbars for my TV. On the other hand, it's a fairly serious investment and I want to get the most out of my money. I'd say my usage is split fairly evenly between gaming (Xbox, PS, Switch), movies/TV (mostly streaming), and music.

I can stretch my budget to US$3,000 for a TV, speakers, and a receiver. I've pretty much settled on the TCL 65R617 for US$1,000 as the best value, since my other picks (Sony X900F or LG B7 OLEDs), while much better, are about/over twice as expensive.

That leaves me with US$2,000 for speakers and an AVR. I figure with this budget I can either go for lower-end stuff and get the full setup right away, or I can "start slow" with a smaller setup, and upgrade it over time. I figured I might as well start with good stuff so down the line I end up with something great - I'm in no rush. Moreover, being an apartment, I'm wary of getting a sub and bothering neighbors which is why I think 3.0 makes more sense than 2.1 as an entry point.

This brings me to KEF. I'm a total audio newbie but I'm in love with how they look, and reviews seem very positive for them. I'm considering picking up a pair of Q350 (US$650) and a Q650 (US$650) center, along with a Denon X3400H (US$650), for a high quality 3.0 setup that fits my budget.

Some caveats: I'm not in the United States (though I'll be ordering from a US website). This means I have no access to any quality speakers to test out in person, and it also means shipping to/from is quite expensive for me (so ordering stuff just to audition, and then return if it doesn't fit the bill, isn't an option for me).

This will be placed in a relatively small square room. The viewing position will be a couch set against the wall opposite the TV, so having speakers behind me isn't an option. Moreover, the front left / right speakers can't be on stands, but rather placed on either side of the TV on an open shelf. The center channel (I know Q650 is enormous) would be placed below the TV, on the same level as the bookshelves, which is roughly ear-level.

I have a render for what the decorator says the room will end up looking like. This is to accurate scale including the TV. Just ignore the white vases on either side of the TV and imagine the front L/R speakers there. I'd probably have the TV set a little higher so I can fit the center below it.



Now, this newbie's questions are:
  • Is Q350 + Q650 + Denon x3400H be a reasonable US$2,000 3.0 setup?
  • Would I perhaps be better served with an ELAC Uni-Fi UB5 5.0 setup for US$50 more? (4x UB5 + 1x UC5)?
  • Considering what I'm coming from, am I just spending too much altogether and could get away with something far more basic?

Since I'm wary of buying a subwoofer, I feel more confident in the KEF providing good enough bass. Moreover, I've heard the ELAC units, because of their lower nominal impedance, require high end amplification (specially if running without a subwoofer so there's no crossover relieving the speakers from low freq duty). Also, the KEFs in white look so freaking good, my fiancée is gonna have an easier time agreeing to this all
Here is my thought. For $3 budget go with a set of e305wh 5.1. That will also get you an apartment sized powered sub that plays wonderfully with KEF. That leaves $900 for an AVR. Most do these days but get one that does IP control as you should also think about what approach you are using to provide Control4 all this. Else the multiple remotes soon annoys other users of the room.

Then as spare spending dollars appear you can swap out the LCR and even the rears. You can then repurpose the eggs as atmos speakers high on the wall. Just pre-wired them.
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Emailed them yesterday. Hopefully I'll hear back today. If you (or anyone else) could check to see if you've got any marks from the magnets on the grilles that would be great!

Thanks!
I checked mine, all KEF R series in walnut finish. Like you, when I take the grilles off I can see a "shadow" mark. It disappears with a wipe of my finger, though I'm sure that's just smearing the natural oil on my finger. I've wiped my speakers with a little beeswax on a microfiber cloth before and that seems to keep them looking good. I don't notice any lingering marks from the magnets, though I could imagine it might show up more on a piano black high-gloss finish. Everything does on that!

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I checked mine, all KEF R series in walnut finish. Like you, when I take the grilles off I can see a "shadow" mark. It disappears with a wipe of my finger, though I'm sure that's just smearing the natural oil on my finger. I've wiped my speakers with a little beeswax on a microfiber cloth before and that seems to keep them looking good. I don't notice any lingering marks from the magnets, though I could imagine it might show up more on a piano black high-gloss finish. Everything does on that!

Thanks for checking! Mine seem to be of the more lingering variety. Looks like scuffing in the clear coating of the finish. Only visible at an angle. But still somewhat annoying. I'm probably being too picky!
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Got the T205s. They were brand spanking new, still packed. Popped down to the local electronics store and they have some amplifiers on sale.

Yamaha Rx 583 and Onkyo Tx Nr 575. Which one would sound better with the Kefs? Didn't have time to thoroughly research features but from a glimpse they both look alright.

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Got the T205s. They were brand spanking new, still packed. Popped down to the local electronics store and they have some amplifiers on sale.

Yamaha Rx 583 and Onkyo Tx Nr 575. Which one would sound better with the Kefs? Didn't have time to thoroughly research features but from a glimpse they both look alright.
Congratulations on the T205 deal!

Of those two, I'd go Yamaha for both reliability and sound quality.

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Got the T205s. They were brand spanking new, still packed. Popped down to the local electronics store and they have some amplifiers on sale.

Yamaha Rx 583 and Onkyo Tx Nr 575. Which one would sound better with the Kefs? Didn't have time to thoroughly research features but from a glimpse they both look alright.
Congratulations on the T205 deal!

Of those two, I'd go Yamaha for both reliability and sound quality.
Thanks! Will update once everything is set up.

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Got the T205s. They were brand spanking new, still packed. Popped down to the local electronics store and they have some amplifiers on sale.

Yamaha Rx 583 and Onkyo Tx Nr 575. Which one would sound better with the Kefs? Didn't have time to thoroughly research features but from a glimpse they both look alright.
Yamaha is well known for long term reliability and good sound quality. Onkyo stained their reputation with quality control issues a few years ado and haven't fully recovered. Marantz and Denon are also excellent options. Both are praised for their excellent room correction software and sound quality with Marantz having a slight edge in sound quality. You can save some money if you're ok with refurbished units.
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Yamaha is well known for long term reliability and good sound quality. Onkyo stained their reputation with quality control issues a few years ado and haven't fully recovered. Marantz and Denon are also excellent options. Both are praised for their excellent room correction software and sound quality with Marantz having a slight edge in sound quality. You can save some money if you're ok with refurbished units.
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Good idea but @psycho 63 is in Europe so A4L isn't really an option.

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So I just got a q650 and I am wondering if it is a bad idea to put my tv on top of it as there is not adequate space for it. The tv is a 55 in Sony 900e


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So I just got a q650 and I am wondering if it is a bad idea to put my tv on top of it as there is not adequate space for it. The tv is a 55 in Sony 900e


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The speaker can take it, though is it deep enough?

I would try to get a wall mount for the TV or a TV stand with a stalk to hold TV's. A 55" YV isn't so heavy that either way wouldn't work.

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The speaker can take it, though is it deep enough?



I would try to get a wall mount for the TV or a TV stand with a stalk to hold TV's. A 55" YV isn't so heavy that either way wouldn't work.




I’m not sure a wall mount would work given the angle of the wall.



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Also is this normal?

The other one is closer to the edge no space




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I’m not sure a wall mount would work given the angle of the wall.
That is no issue at all! My wall mount moves the TV out away from the wall. I could have it sticking out flush with the front of my speakers if I want, it's got 22" of extension for up to 135 pounds! My 55" Samsung is about 50 pounds, yours might be up to 10 or 15% more but I doubt it. The center of the mount would be just under the spot where your vertical wall ends and the angle begins. You get even more upward adjustment with the VESA side of the mount on the back of the TV.

Here's one example, dirt cheap: https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=6198

I didn't want anything looking "industrial" back there as it's my living room, so I paid more to get something with covers over the lag bolts. I've since cleaned-up the loose wiring too.

Not this one, though similar (I paid more): https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=10470
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Also is this normal?

The other one is closer to the edge no space
Is what normal? I don't see anything unusual, other than perhaps a remnant of foam packing or dust in between the driver cone and the roll surround. It could work it's way out or you could try a shot of canned air.

A center speaker should be placed with the edge of it's front baffle flush with any shelf it's on.

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That is no issue at all! My wall mount moves the TV out away from the wall. I could have it sticking out flush with the front of my speakers if I want, it's got 22" of extension for up to 135 pounds! My 55" Samsung is about 50 pounds, yours might be up to 10 or 15% more but I doubt it. The center of the mount would be just under the spot where your vertical wall ends and the angle begins. You get even more upward adjustment with the VESA side of the mount on the back of the TV.



Here's one example, dirt cheap: https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=6198



I didn't want anything looking "industrial" back there as it's my living room, so I paid more to get something with covers over the lag bolts. I've since cleaned-up the loose wiring too.



Not this one, though similar (I paid more): https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=10470


Thanks for this info! I think I will try something like this. Although I’m not sure if I could get the wall mount high enough to clear the center it’s about 8 inches tall...


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Is what normal? I don't see anything unusual, other than perhaps a remnant of foam packing or dust in between the driver cone and the roll surround. It could work it's way out or you could try a shot of canned air.



A center speaker should be placed with the edge of it's front baffle flush with any shelf it's on.


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Thanks for this info! I think I will try something like this. Although I’m not sure if I could get the wall mount high enough to clear the center it’s about 8 inches tall...

Do some calculations first.

What's the distance from the top of the stand plus the 8 inches for the center speaker, plus an inch or 2 of clearance?

The TV without it's "feet" is 14" to the center. You need the center of the mount to be about 24 to 26 inches above the top of that TV stand. Do you have that much between the top of the TV stand and that kink in the wall? Looks like you might.

There's often enough adjustability in where you bolt the frame that you've bolted to the back of the TV as you fasten it to the wall mount that you can get a couple inches up or down. As long as the frame doesn't extend above or below the TV you're good.

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Hello everyone, does anybody use the Q150 horizontally (laying on one side) under a tv?
Anyone has any insight about the vertical dispersion properties vs horizontal dispersion?
I mean, obviously a coaxial design lends itself a bit more than others to be rotated 90°, but are we sure there aren’t still major concerns at play (like off axis performance of the tweeter)?

I want to use 3 identical Q150 as LCR, so I’m gonna need to buy 2 pairs (and, incidentally, 2 pairs of magnetic grilles too).
That will cost me a lot more (additional 200€ for the speakers and, believe it or not, 90€ for 2 pairs of imported grilles, which the Q100 don’t need at all because they come in the box) than going for 3 Q100, but I’m assuming the Q150 are a more “refined” design being newer and also it would be a bit of an OCD buzzkill to have the center Q100 placed off-center cabinet wise (to have the tweeter in the
below the actual center of the tv). On the other hand almost 300€/350$ more is a lot of money to burn for the Q150 over the Q100...I have a sub, I don’t think I will miss bass on the Q100, I can live with the off center CC, but then again there could be more differences that make the Q150 worth it...

So to recap
- how do the Q100/Q150 behave placed horizontally?
- are the Q150+grilles worth a +45% higher cost over the Q100?

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Well I guess I’m a KEF owner now.
I ended up impulse buying 2 pairs of Q100 for even less than I thought (610€ shipped, I was thinking 660€).
Can’t argue with paying almost literally half (60%) compared to 2 pairs of Q150 + 2 pairs of overpriced imported magnetic grilles.
Feel free to comment anyway on the matter, and I will report as well.
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I ended up impulse buying 2 pairs of Q100 for even less than I thought................
The Q100 will behave just fine horizontally as your center speaker. And you don't have to worry about a rear port.

Regarding centering the speaker's cabinet versus centering the speaker's driver under or over your TV, my experience with off-center center speakers/drivers is that as long as the speaker is under or over your screen it won't even really be noticeable that the actual driver might be off-center. Our minds are easily fooled (if that is even what you want to call it) into believing that the sound emanates properly from the screen. So, if you want to center the cabinet, and not the actual UniQ driver, over or under the screen, IMO, it is a non-issue.
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Well I guess I’m a KEF owner now.
I ended up impulse buying 2 pairs of Q100 for even less than I thought (610€ shipped, I was thinking 660€).
Can’t argue with paying almost literally half (60%) compared to 2 pairs of Q150 + 2 pairs of overpriced imported magnetic grilles.
Feel free to comment anyway on the matter, and I will report as well.
Since I’m the owner of 9 KEF speakers for my home theater system, I’m very partial to the KEF brand.

As for the KEF Q100’s these are excellent speakers as well as easy on the wallet.

Just thought I would give a big shout out to the KEF brand.
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Since I’m the owner of 9 KEF speakers for my home theater system, I’m very partial to the KEF brand.

As for the KEF Q100’s these are excellent speakers as well as easy on the wallet.

Just thought I would give a big shout out to the KEF brand.
Only 9? LOL.

Ten for me, plus a KEF Kube 10b subwoofer.

And my son has 9 as well.

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Nice.
As for me, as mentioned I came to know KEF because apparently they perfected the art of coaxial speakers, and that’s preferable when using speakers horizontally.
Really there should be a sticky thread “Looking for low profile fronts and center? Use some KEF coaxials sideways”.

Thanks sivadselim, I guess a few inches off-center don’t make much difference, now that I think about it would be quite hard to be able to hear a difference in a blind test.

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KEF whoops today

Late this afternoon, maybe 5pm eastern time in the US, I was perusing the KEF Direct website on my Android phone. One of my customers I visited today had a JBL Bluetooth speaker and I had showed him the KEF Muo on New Egg for $149, so I thought I'd check to see if KEF Direct had the same deal.

While I was scrolling around I clicked on "New Products" and what comes up but a photo of a center speaker I'd never seen before..."R2c"! I was at home so I ran into my office and pulled it up on my PC. Wow is it nice! I scrolled down to "specifications" and saw details of a 3rd finish, a light colored walnut! That's in addition to the piano black and gloss white. The page showed exploded views of the improved tweeter & midrange, detailing what had been changed. It showed shadow views of a larger floor-stander cabinet, now showing the constrained layer damping and increased amount of bracing, similar to LS50 & Reference series. The magnetic grills shown were kind of retro, with perforated round areas covering the driver and a more opaque material for the rest. The new Uni-Q driver showed "Shadow Profile" (or shadow something) where the trim ring of the Uni-Q was now a continuous smooth curve so the tweeter sees no baffle edge and they cited something about 'taken from the Reference series.' Also from the Reference series is the "Flexible Port Technology" shown.

The drivers and trim rings on the light walnut color speaker were a complimentary tan color and it was just so warm and beautiful. Similarly, the white speaker showed white or light-color drivers and trim rings, and black the same treatment. Gone is the bright trim ring of the previous edition. Cost was given as $1199.99, so a $200 boost over the previous but it looks like it's going to be worth it. The pictures were good, and it was a stunning looker!

I had posted a link right away on the KEF Enthusiasts Group FB page, but in less than 2 hours it was gone. Damn. I *knew* I should have taken screen shots but failed. So sorry about that, my friends!

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The speaker can take it, though is it deep enough?



I would try to get a wall mount for the TV or a TV stand with a stalk to hold TV's. A 55" YV isn't so heavy that either way wouldn't work.

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Sep 4, 15:34 EDT

Good Afternoon,
Thank you so much for contacting KEF America and I hope you had a great weekend. It is not recommended to put anything on top of our speakers as it can effect the quality of sound it is producing as well as the lifetime of the speaker itself. Please let me know if you have any further questions and I will gladly assist.
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Do you think I should take the tv off or are they just being overly cautious ?



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Late this afternoon, maybe 5pm eastern time in the US, I was perusing the KEF Direct website on my Android phone. One of my customers I visited today had a JBL Bluetooth speaker and I had showed him the KEF Muo on New Egg for $149, so I thought I'd check to see if KEF Direct had the same deal.

While I was scrolling around I clicked on "New Products" and what comes up but a photo of a center speaker I'd never seen before..."R2c"! I was at home so I ran into my office and pulled it up on my PC. Wow is it nice! I scrolled down to "specifications" and saw details of a 3rd finish, a light colored walnut! That's in addition to the piano black and gloss white. The page showed exploded views of the improved tweeter & midrange, detailing what had been changed. It showed shadow views of a larger floor-stander cabinet, now showing the constrained layer damping and increased amount of bracing, similar to LS50 & Reference series. The magnetic grills shown were kind of retro, with perforated round areas covering the driver and a more opaque material for the rest. The new Uni-Q driver showed "Shadow Profile" (or shadow something) where the trim ring of the Uni-Q was now a continuous smooth curve so the tweeter sees no baffle edge and they cited something about 'taken from the Reference series.' Also from the Reference series is the "Flexible Port Technology" shown.

The drivers and trim rings on the light walnut color speaker were a complimentary tan color and it was just so warm and beautiful. Similarly, the white speaker showed white or light-color drivers and trim rings, and black the same treatment. Gone is the bright trim ring of the previous edition. Cost was given as $1199.99, so a $200 boost over the previous but it looks like it's going to be worth it. The pictures were good, and it was a stunning looker!

I had posted a link right away on the KEF Enthusiasts Group FB page, but in less than 2 hours it was gone. Damn. I *knew* I should have taken screen shots but failed. So sorry about that, my friends!
Must be a part of new R series.

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Regina Ramos (KEF America)
Sep 4, 15:34 EDT

Good Afternoon,
Thank you so much for contacting KEF America and I hope you had a great weekend. It is not recommended to put anything on top of our speakers as it can effect the quality of sound it is producing as well as the lifetime of the speaker itself. Please let me know if you have any further questions and I will gladly assist.
Best,

Do you think I should take the tv off or are they just being overly cautious ?
They know the internal construction of the speaker cabinets better than me, that's much is certain. It's a coin flip. As we discussed, it's best if you can get that TV mounted to the wall, and it really doesn't cost much. I just don't know how you feel about holes in that wood wall.

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Must be a part of new R series.
Oh, I'm quite certain it is because there's a photo floating around the web of the group of new R Series. There's R2c center, R5, R7, & R11 floor standers, and IIRC an R3 stand mount one. I don't recall seeing an R1 small bookshelf one to replace the R100, and no R6c to replace the R600c.

I have that photo somewhere on my PC, showing the white version only. KEF got upset with the British AVForums website for showing it so they took it down.

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