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Toslink Glass Digital Audio is really well reviewed but I have made the purchase on the Quartz one after I found a 'good' deal on it (ill give it a chance). Ill keep the one you sent in mind if I find disatifaction with the Quartz one or if it breaks.
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Optical cables are digital cables. They will not have any impact on sound quality. So buy them for reliable manufacturing and mechanical strength.

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There can be a difference even though digital. Just try splitting an optical signal and you might be surprised at the results. Some toslink cables will work with no issue, some will not work at all, and some will work intermittently. I know from experience and have a few too many optical cables as proof. The problem is that there is no easy way to determine which ones are best (at transmitting light) except by experimentation. For my splitter, it was one of the cheapest cables that worked without issue.

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There can be a difference even though digital. Just try splitting an optical signal and you might be surprised at the results. Some toslink cables will work with no issue, some will not work at all, and some will work intermittently. I know from experience and have a few too many optical cables as proof. The problem is that there is no easy way to determine which ones are best (at transmitting light) except by experimentation. For my splitter, it was one of the cheapest cables that worked without issue.


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There can be a difference even though digital. Just try splitting an optical signal and you might be surprised at the results. Some toslink cables will work with no issue, some will not work at all, and some will work intermittently. I know from experience and have a few too many optical cables as proof. The problem is that there is no easy way to determine which ones are best (at transmitting light) except by experimentation. For my splitter, it was one of the cheapest cables that worked without issue.
I have never had any problems with any optical cable. I buy my cables at Amazon. Besides there is no optical splitting in cables.

But if you feel cables make a difference, by all means, buy the cable that works for you.

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Search Amazon for "optical splitters". I was using passive versions.

I'll say it again... it's a mostly gray world.

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I'm looking at the Kube8b subwoofer. Can anyone tell me if this model automatically powers down when there's no signal?
I even downloaded the manual on this model and they make no mention of any "auto power off" feature.

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I have a question about positioning and the LSX. I'm looking to purchase a setup for a small NYC bedroom (about 8' x 10'). I want to use it to 1) Stream bluetooth aptX HD and CD quality FLAC from my Sony WM1A DAP and 2) Listen to FM through a radio tuner, both at moderate but never high volume. I initially thought that I'd get a Naim Mu-So Qb (I can't find another single speaker solution that has the features and aesthetics I like). Most reviewers/forums say the sound quality is very good, but others say it's thin (but I think a lot of these people are listening at high volume). Overall, I'm skeptical of such a small form factor. Given that I can't find any good alternatives, I thought about increasing my budget and going for the KEF LSX (although I'm still open to just getting a refurb Naim for $540).

One thing that I'm concerned about if I go for the LSX is positioning and to what degree this should impact my decision. If you stand in front of my bed length-wise, there's a nightstand to the left at the foot of the bed (and the same height as the bed) and straight ahead there's a shelf about 2.5' above my bed. So when I'm listening in bed, I'd have one speaker on the nightstand more or less firing right at me and another above me, firing across the bed. I've attached a diagram if that helps. There aren't really any other viable layouts. Is this a totally screwed up positioning that will have a big negative impact (and perhaps I should just get the Naim Mu-So Qb, put it on my nightstand, and be done with it)? Or will this be just fine as the positioning, while not ideal, would be fine?
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How does the bass extension setting (less, standard, extra) coincide with having a subwoofer connected to the speakers? Would having a setting on "Less" cause lower frequencies to be cut off going to the sub? Does this only effect the speakers when no sub is connected?

What settings should be used with a sub connected, for this particular parameter?
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I'm looking at the Kube8b subwoofer. Can anyone tell me if this model automatically powers down when there's no signal?
I even downloaded the manual on this model and they make no mention of any "auto power off" feature.

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I have a Kube 10b, same controls and amp. It does go into a stand-by mode, not completely off. I haven't looked to see how much power it draws in stand-by, probably under a few watts.

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I have a Kube 10b, same controls and amp. It does go into a stand-by mode, not completely off. I haven't looked to see how much power it draws in stand-by, probably under a few watts.
I'm starting to think my SVS pb1000 is boomy.

Would 10b be good replacement
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I have a Kube 10b, same controls and amp. It does go into a stand-by mode, not completely off. I haven't looked to see how much power it draws in stand-by, probably under a few watts.
Thanks. I kind of figured it would have a stand-by mode. But, there wasn't any mention of it in the manual I downloaded.

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I'm starting to think my SVS pb1000 is boomy.

Would 10b be good replacement
Boomy bass is pretty much always a problem with the room, every subwoofer in existence needs EQ in order to smooth out room modes. If you have an auto room EQ, I'd maybe run it again or measure with REW to see where your problems are. I have some of the cheapest subs around, 2 Polk PSW 505 and they are anything but boomy because I have them EQ'd flat from 20-100Hz +/- about 1.5db. If I just plopped them down without EQ they'd sound like crap, just like any other sub without any EQ.
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What is REW? I keep seeing that term but no clue what it is

I ran audyeeyy last night and not happy, plus, it set distance to 13f, and LCR at 11, all though sub is actually closer to me then LCR for at least 2 feet.
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What is REW? I keep seeing that term but no clue what it is

I ran audyeeyy last night and not happy, plus, it set distance to 13f, and LCR at 11, all though sub is actually closer to me then LCR for at least 2 feet.
REW= Room EQ wizard, it's a free measurement software, there's a thread in the audio theory section of this forum on basic setup info. You could probably use your audyssey mic with the program but I'm not sure about that, it would let you see what's going on instead of just hoping Audyssey is doing a good job. Also, generally 2 subs is going to be better than 1, even if the 2 are smaller/less capable than the single sub. This is because 2 subs cancels out some of your room modes and gives you smoother bass at your listening position.
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That's my problem now, bass is weaker on my couch then when I sit next to my couch

And I'm limited on positioning subwoofer, I could put it in the back corner or something, but in the front I only have one corner available
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That's my problem now, bass is weaker on my couch then when I sit next to my couch

And I'm limited on positioning subwoofer, I could put it in the back corner or something, but in the front I only have one corner available
I hear ya man, bass sucks in small rooms. REW will pretty much get you as good as you're going to get though, you'll be able to see the best location for your sub and also see the best crossover for your sub and room. Then you can also mess with stuff like your distance settings to see what works best. Oh and as far as Audyssey setting that different, a low pass filter that is used on a subwoofer adds a delay to your sub so usually the optimal setting is for your receiver to add a few feet to the sub relative to the mains, mine is 2ft further away.
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I have actually a fairly large room, it's a partly unfinished basement and one side opens to the rest of the house (semi)

I'll Google up that rew and see what's it about

I believe it's just the position of the sub. Cause sometimes it freaking rattles the place and I feel it in stomach, although I listen fairly low as for kids upstairs and neighbour
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Would 10b be good replacement
You are going to be in for treat with a KEF Kube 8b/10b/12b sub. There is a preset for its placement in a corner. Fits your description.
Still consider going away from SVS and purchasing Kube 10b as one of the best decisions. The effect on the overall system sound quality was enormous. Listening to music at low volumes now is a joy.

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Hello,
First time poster and first time KEF owner.

I’m coming from a 4 year old soundbar and desktop speakers. Up until now I’ve chosen to spend on quality headphones but realized it was time to upgrade my home setup.

Over the last month, I’ve audtioned maybe 8 different speaker types and brands ranging from B&W, Martin Logan, Harbeth, Definitive Technilogy and Kefs - floorstanding and Bookshelves. Always came back to the R300s. Kefs have that signature sound that makes my day and the R300s in walnut are beautiful!

During the process of finding my speakers, BB had a pretty awesome deal on the Elac Debut 2.0 series. Since I was still exploring and had FOMO, I bought the 5.1 surround setting with floorstanding, center, sub, and bookshelves for the surround. I like the Elacs, but decided to stick with the R300s and return/sell the Elac F6.2s.

I’m hoping I could get some guidance on what I can pair with the R300s. My overall goal is to have a 5.1 system, but my budget won’t allow me to spend on KEF centers or surrounds right now. I was thinking about pairing the Elac center (c6.2), sub and bookshelves with the R300s. Any thoughts on that before I spend a few hours tomorrow unboxing? I could, alternatively, continue using my sound bar for surround sound and movies and use the KEFs only for music until I’m ready to spend more.

I should’ve prefaced by saying that I’m driving it all on a Denon X3400 receiver. I watch a fair amount of TV but don’t really need surround sound for Netflix. I do game a bit and would love to have surround sound for that. The missus and I watch maybe one movie a week, but we get in at least a couple hours of easy music listening a day.

Thoughts, suggestions, etc. would be much appreciated!
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I have actually a fairly large room, it's a partly unfinished basement and one side opens to the rest of the house (semi)

I'll Google up that rew and see what's it about

I believe it's just the position of the sub. Cause sometimes it freaking rattles the place and I feel it in stomach, although I listen fairly low as for kids upstairs and neighbour


You could do a sub crawl for a possible quick solution until you figure out how to use REW.


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Hey, I bought a pair of LSX speakers on friday and noticed that the master speaker has this quiet high pitched noise coming from the back while plugged in to power. The sound changes pitch when first plugged in for a few times then settles on a tone. It's quiet enough not to really be a bother but Im wondering if it is a defect. Does anyone else with LSX or LS50W have same? Thanks in advance.
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Hello,
First time poster and first time KEF owner.

I’m coming from a 4 year old soundbar and desktop speakers. Up until now I’ve chosen to spend on quality headphones but realized it was time to upgrade my home setup.

Over the last month, I’ve audtioned maybe 8 different speaker types and brands ranging from B&W, Martin Logan, Harbeth, Definitive Technilogy and Kefs - floorstanding and Bookshelves. Always came back to the R300s. Kefs have that signature sound that makes my day and the R300s in walnut are beautiful!

During the process of finding my speakers, BB had a pretty awesome deal on the Elac Debut 2.0 series. Since I was still exploring and had FOMO, I bought the 5.1 surround setting with floorstanding, center, sub, and bookshelves for the surround. I like the Elacs, but decided to stick with the R300s and return/sell the Elac F6.2s.

I’m hoping I could get some guidance on what I can pair with the R300s. My overall goal is to have a 5.1 system, but my budget won’t allow me to spend on KEF centers or surrounds right now. I was thinking about pairing the Elac center (c6.2), sub and bookshelves with the R300s. Any thoughts on that before I spend a few hours tomorrow unboxing? I could, alternatively, continue using my sound bar for surround sound and movies and use the KEFs only for music until I’m ready to spend more.

I should’ve prefaced by saying that I’m driving it all on a Denon X3400 receiver. I watch a fair amount of TV but don’t really need surround sound for Netflix. I do game a bit and would love to have surround sound for that. The missus and I watch maybe one movie a week, but we get in at least a couple hours of easy music listening a day.

Thoughts, suggestions, etc. would be much appreciated!
What is your budget for center and surrounds?
No mention of a sub, do you have a sub with your soundbar or something else?
What are the room dimensions?
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What is your budget for center and surrounds?
No mention of a sub, do you have a sub with your soundbar or something else?
What are the room dimensions?
At this point, probably $500 for both, surround + center.
I have the Elac sub, but since I haven’t unboxed it, I’m open to suggestions on something else for around $250.
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I have a Kef LSX (recent purchase)and am super pleased with it but I have this annoying low pitch hiss and I think it’s because of my power blocks (just the basic 5 euro ones). (Using optical cables , cheap , have an order for more expensive thick optical cables)

I am buying power mains blocks: (400-700 euro)
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My questions:
Would investing in good power mains be worth it?
Does any of you have experience with those?

Bonus questions: I can’t use Netflix with LSX using the cheap optical cable to my pc (I hope me buying a better one will solve the problem). I get a high pitch noise and the Netflix freezes up a bit (scares me so I don’t push it, closing the windows immediately).
Any solutions?





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At this point, probably $500 for both, surround + center.
I have the Elac sub, but since I haven’t unboxed it, I’m open to suggestions on something else for around $250.
You complicate your life for no reason.
Should if kept ELACs and you would of had a great no brainer setup that sounds awesome.
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At this point, probably $500 for both, surround + center.
I have the Elac sub, but since I haven’t unboxed it, I’m open to suggestions on something else for around $250.
Elac subs are actually pretty decent and sound pretty nice, at least musically. Ideally you'd want to get an R200C to match your 300's. Since you wouldn't use the center for stereo music, you could go with a Q650 which would be fine for HT use. That said, the price difference between the Q650 a R200 isn't that great, getting an R200c now before they're all gone would be worth money.


If you're not the patient type, a resonable alternative would be the Canton Chrono center. A few members have paired Chrono center with Kef and have reported good results.
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Due to budget constraints, have you considered going with Q150/350 &650C. They would be much more budget friendly and adding the matching surrounds later would be much cheaper. You'd have a cohesive 5.1 setup rather than a hodge podge of mixed speakers all around. The latest Q series are quite for the price.

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You complicate your life for no reason.
Should if kept ELACs and you would of had a great no brainer setup that sounds awesome.
It's hard to justify keeping speakers you don't like. Mind you, the Kef R300's are a level up and considerably more expensive.

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What I understood, he hasn't even tried them!
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Hey, I bought a pair of LSX speakers on friday and noticed that the master speaker has this quiet high pitched noise coming from the back while plugged in to power. The sound changes pitch when first plugged in for a few times then settles on a tone. It's quiet enough not to really be a bother but Im wondering if it is a defect. Does anyone else with LSX or LS50W have same? Thanks in advance.
It's a common issue with electronics. A cheater plug resolves the issue 98% of the time.
https://www.amazon.com/CyberPower-MP...s=cheater+plug

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Elac subs are actually pretty decent and sound pretty nice, at least musically. Ideally you'd want to get an R200C to match your 300's. Since you wouldn't use the center for stereo music, you could go with a Q650 which would be fine for HT use. That said, the price difference between the Q650 a R200 isn't that great, getting an R200c now before they're all gone would be worth money.


If you're not the patient type, a resonable alternative would be the Canton Chrono center. A few members have paired Chrono center with Kef and have reported good results.
Due to budget constraints, have you considered going with Q150/350 &650C. They would be much more budget friendly and adding the matching surrounds later would be much cheaper. You'd have a cohesive 5.1 setup rather than a hodge podge of mixed speakers all around. The latest Q series are quite for the price.
I've tried the Q150 and 350s but didn't quite like them for the kind of music I listen to. They sounded a little flat and honestly, the Elac f6.2 did a better job at a similar price range.

I have some time before I need to return the Elacs so I'll definitely try the sub and see if I can get a decent 2.1 system to start with. The R300s do a fairly decent job with vocals and bass in movies already, but I certainly miss the rumbles in Mad Max.

Thank you for the suggestion on the Canton. I think I saw one (not sure if it's the same) at the store so I'll ask if I can do a home demo. Although, is there a reason why you feel the KEF centers would work better?

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You complicate your life for no reason.
Should if kept ELACs and you would of had a great no brainer setup that sounds awesome.
True - I probably did in this instance.


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What I understood, he hasn't even tried them!
Since music listening is my primary objective, I've compared the Elac towers with the R300s. But after listening to the KEFs I keep thinking the Elacs are missing *something* and can't justify keeping them even though they're significantly cheaper. I also tried the Elac bookshelves and didn't think those came even close to the kind of sound I'm looking for.

I was looking for advise on making a more cohesive surround sound system for gaming/movie watching/etc. and trying to get a sense of whether someone has paired or suggests pairing the Elacs with Kefs. The reason I'm asking before testing myself is because I don't want to have to reinvent the wheel if someone has already tried this before - the knowledge base on these forums is tremendous and I wanted to see if I could either make use of what I had in hand or narrow down potential options for me to test.
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