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I was looking for advise on making a more cohesive surround sound system for gaming/movie watching/etc.
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This is precisely why a Kef center would be best. Having a matching (at least the same brand) front stage will give you a cohesive sound stage. Matching surrounds would also be a good idea, but less critical than the front 3. That said the surrounds are much more active for gaming and you'd may notice the difference if you mismatch. There's no rule against a mismatched center. If you go with a speaker that has similar drivers, tweeters and sensitivity you shouldn't notice too much difference.

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I've tried the Q150 and 350s but didn't quite like them for the kind of music I listen to. They sounded a little flat and honestly, the Elac f6.2 did a better job at a similar price range.



I have some time before I need to return the Elacs so I'll definitely try the sub and see if I can get a decent 2.1 system to start with. The R300s do a fairly decent job with vocals and bass in movies already, but I certainly miss the rumbles in Mad Max.



Thank you for the suggestion on the Canton. I think I saw one (not sure if it's the same) at the store so I'll ask if I can do a home demo. Although, is there a reason why you feel the KEF centers would work better?







True - I probably did in this instance.







Since music listening is my primary objective, I've compared the Elac towers with the R300s. But after listening to the KEFs I keep thinking the Elacs are missing *something* and can't justify keeping them even though they're significantly cheaper. I also tried the Elac bookshelves and didn't think those came even close to the kind of sound I'm looking for.



I was looking for advise on making a more cohesive surround sound system for gaming/movie watching/etc. and trying to get a sense of whether someone has paired or suggests pairing the Elacs with Kefs. The reason I'm asking before testing myself is because I don't want to have to reinvent the wheel if someone has already tried this before - the knowledge base on these forums is tremendous and I wanted to see if I could either make use of what I had in hand or narrow down potential options for me to test.
You are surprised that r300 sound better? No *hit man.

Asking for advice what will sound better is strictly personal opinion. Someone will love ELACs, someone kefs, someone "insert brand"

You are jumping through different classes of speakers and sound signature will be different with whatever you try, but won't be BAD

ELACs r one of the better purchases out there, among best bang for buck

R300 r far from that with their price
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This is precisely why a Kef center would be best. Having a matching (at least the same brand) front stage will give you a cohesive sound stage. Matching surrounds would also be a good idea, but less critical than the front 3. That said the surrounds are much more active for gaming and you'd may notice the difference if you mismatch. There's no rule against a mismatched center. If you go with a speaker that has similar drivers, tweeters and sensitivity you shouldn't notice too much difference.
Makes sense - thanks a lot for the guidance. I'm starting to think I'll hold out on the center and surrounds for a bit. I will still try the sub with the R300's just to see how it sounds and report back.

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You are surprised that r300 sound better? No *hit man.

Asking for advice what will sound better is strictly personal opinion. Someone will love ELACs, someone kefs, someone "insert brand"

You are jumping through different classes of speakers and sound signature will be different with whatever you try, but won't be BAD

ELACs r one of the better purchases out there, among best bang for buck

R300 r far from that with their price
I'm aware of how subjective sound is but I think you misunderstand my question. I am not asking if people like Elacs over Kefs or which ones I should keep - I'm asking if others have tried matching speakers from different brands and what their thoughts were on those combinations. This, too, is subjective but with enough data points I would find it far easier to cross off some combinations that just don't work together.

Your statement on the sound signature was helpful - thank you.
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You must also remember the elacs are harder to drive, they're not as efficient. I have the q150s sealed at home and I'm wondering if I should even bother to open them as I think they may struggle. I don't need to step up any further but I'm curious to try.
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You must also remember the elacs are harder to drive, they're not as efficient. I have the q150s sealed at home and I'm wondering if I should even bother to open them as I think they may struggle. I don't need to step up any further but I'm curious to try.
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You must also remember the elacs are harder to drive, they're not as efficient. I have the q150s sealed at home and I'm wondering if I should even bother to open them as I think they may struggle. I don't need to step up any further but I'm curious to try.
Struggle with what?
sorry my post somehow wasn't completed. But yeah... bass as this room may not have a sub for a while.
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sorry my post somehow wasn't completed. But yeah... bass as this room may not have a sub for a while.
Oh, ok. That makes more sense. A subwoofer is necessary with the Q150s for best results. Although, I think music listening would still be enjoyable without depending on the room and your music preference.

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You must also remember the elacs are harder to drive, they're not as efficient. I have the q150s sealed at home and I'm wondering if I should even bother to open them as I think they may struggle. I don't need to step up any further but I'm curious to try.
Step up from what? Did you get the 150's to upgrade from something else, to use as surrounds?

Smaller bookshelf speakers such as Q150's do certainly benefit from the addition of a sub, but can certainly hold their own.

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Makes sense - thanks a lot for the guidance. I'm starting to think I'll hold out on the center and surrounds for a bit. I will still try the sub with the R300's just to see how it sounds and report back.







I'm aware of how subjective sound is but I think you misunderstand my question. I am not asking if people like Elacs over Kefs or which ones I should keep - I'm asking if others have tried matching speakers from different brands and what their thoughts were on those combinations. This, too, is subjective but with enough data points I would find it far easier to cross off some combinations that just don't work together.



Your statement on the sound signature was helpful - thank you.
To have peace of mind and certainty that it will sound "as good as it gets" you go with matching LCR, from same series of speakers..

You could go with q650 for center speaker, if it's substantially cheaper then r200 or even better r600

I'm a big fan of "the bigger the better" center speaker. I don't want small center, and for that reason I would aim for r600 and then you KNOW you have the best
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You must also remember the elacs are harder to drive, they're not as efficient. I have the q150s sealed at home and I'm wondering if I should even bother to open them as I think they may struggle. I don't need to step up any further but I'm curious to try.
Step up from what? Did you get the 150's to upgrade from something else, to use as surrounds?

Smaller bookshelf speakers such as Q150's do certainly benefit from the addition of a sub, but can certainly hold their own.
Yes I got them to upgrade from monoprice copy of the energy takes 5.1.
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To have peace of mind and certainty that it will sound "as good as it gets" you go with matching LCR, from same series of speakers..

You could go with q650 for center speaker, if it's substantially cheaper then r200 or even better r600

I'm a big fan of "the bigger the better" center speaker. I don't want small center, and for that reason I would aim for r600 and then you KNOW you have the best
Ugh, I know the feeling of "bigger the better" and that's why I ended up buying the KEFs.. My wallet hates it though.


Looks like my ingenious scheme to take over the world and hate it all by mixing the Elacs with the KEFs has met and early, untimely demise.

Thanks much for all the guidance!

Now, on to finding a decent pair of stands. The Sanus I got to demo were nice, but far too small of a top plate for the R300s.
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Yes I got them to upgrade from monoprice copy of the energy takes 5.1.
The Q150's will be a huge upgrade over those tiny satellite speakers. You could still use the sub that came with the set. It's not the best sub, but still better than nothing until you can upgrade.

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Ugh, I know the feeling of "bigger the better" and that's why I ended up buying the KEFs.. My wallet hates it though.


Looks like my ingenious scheme to take over the world and hate it all by mixing the Elacs with the KEFs has met and early, untimely demise.

Thanks much for all the guidance!

Now, on to finding a decent pair of stands. The Sanus I got to demo were nice, but far too small of a top plate for the R300s.
The R300 and Elac debut are not in the same league. To make matters worse their sound signature are on opposite sides of the spectrum. Elac are more laid back while Kef are more forward. You'd need to get into The $700+ range for a center to match the sound quality of the R300's. The obvious choice would be the R200/600 with Canton as a reasonable alternative.


Now that you've started digging the rabbit hole, it can only get deeper.

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Yes I got them to upgrade from monoprice copy of the energy takes 5.1.
The Q150's will be a huge upgrade over those tiny satellite speakers. You could still use the sub that came with the set. It's not the best sub, but still better than nothing until you can upgrade.
The biggest thing is in my main theater space I have the new rp series from klipsch and those bookshelves are dauntingly nice. I just upgraded that room to from the actual Takes classics 5.1. As far as subs go, I'll be building my own with a 15"Dayton HO driver. I may buy another ultimax 18 though, just not sure on the enclosure size.

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I'm aware of how subjective sound is but I think you misunderstand my question. I am not asking if people like Elacs over Kefs or which ones I should keep - I'm asking if others have tried matching speakers from different brands and what their thoughts were on those combinations. This, too, is subjective but with enough data points I would find it far easier to cross off some combinations that just don't work together.

Your statement on the sound signature was helpful - thank you.
I had a Def Tech Procenter 1000 speaker for a while paired first with Def Tec BP-8060ST, and then KEF Q900s. Chose it due to its size, because I could put it on a shelf directly under the TV. While it was doing OK with DT 8060s, they were a huge mismatch for Q900s in every department. Did not keep Q900s for too long and had them replaced with KEF R300s and at that point had to disconnect the center speaker completely as a phantom center speaker was better than the real DT. Shortly after I got a pair of KEF R700s and moved R300s in the basement, into the man's cave so to speak. Knowing myself, I knew I was not going to rest until I tried some other center speaker, I bit the bullet and purchased a more matching R200c one. Not letting it go any time soon
My signature shows now my final setups in the living room and the basement. Very pleased with R series speakers. Must say - I have finally satisfied my craving for upgrade. The train will stop as soon as I tried and settled on AVR in the living room as I want to give NAD T758 V3 a try because it comes with Dirac Live.

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I'm aware of how subjective sound is but I think you misunderstand my question. I am not asking if people like Elacs over Kefs or which ones I should keep - I'm asking if others have tried matching speakers from different brands and what their thoughts were on those combinations. This, too, is subjective but with enough data points I would find it far easier to cross off some combinations that just don't work together.

Your statement on the sound signature was helpful - thank you.
I had a Def Tech Procenter 1000 speaker for a while paired first with Def Tec BP-8060ST, and then KEF Q900s. Chose it due to its size, because I could put it on a shelf directly under the TV. While it was doing OK with DT 8060s, they were a huge mismatch for Q900s in every department. Did not keep Q900s for too long and had them replaced with KEF R300s and at that point had to disconnect the center speaker completely as a phantom center speaker was better than the real DT. Shortly after I got a pair of KEF R700s and moved R300s in the basement, into the man's cave so to speak. Knowing myself, I knew I was not going to rest until I tried some other center speaker, I bit the bullet and purchased a more matching R200c one. Not letting it go any time soon [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]
My signature shows now my final setups in the living room and the basement. Very pleased with R series speakers. Must say - I have finally satisfied my craving for upgrade. The train will stop as soon as I tried and settled on AVR in the living room as I want to give NAD T758 V3 a try because it comes with Dirac Live.
isn't the bad only 7 channels though?
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isn't the bad only 7 channels though?
Nothing "bad" about the NAD having only 7 channels amplified. A simple 40 to 80 watt per channel power amp can feed the remaining 4 channels.

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isn't the bad only 7 channels though?
Nothing "bad" about the NAD having only 7 channels amplified. A simple 40 to 80 watt per channel power amp can feed the remaining 4 channels.
ok, do you mind pointing me in the direction of said simple amp?
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ok, do you mind pointing me in the direction of said simple amp?
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One example. There are many.

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Question about the R-series speakers and matching receiver requirements-
A few pages back I had asked about center speakers to expand from my Q100's, I decided I'd invest in growing my system and snag up the R200c since it's nearly the same price as the Q650 right now. That also got my looking at the great deals you can get on the other R-series speakers since the new line was launched, such as the R300 to replace as my L/R mains and shifting my Q100s to surrounds. All reviews on the R speakers state that they're very demanding on the amp and need high end equipment paired with them.

So- where do you draw the line with R speakers being demanding on a receiver/amp? Will my budget Yamaha make the R300 speakers sound worse than, for example, the Q350? Or is it more that they'll still sound good and be an upgrade, but just that a better amp would push them to their full potential better? The prices right now with the out-going R-series speakers seem like a great opportunity to snag really good speakers at reasonable prices, but I know it'll be a long time before upgrading my Yamaha AVR since I just got into the hobby and bought what seemed reasonable at the time; I have an excuse for the speakers since I'm expanding from 2.1 to 3.1 to 5.1, but not really a good excuse to replace an AVR less than a year old. Basically trying to decide if I should just get an R200 and Q350, or if it'd be wise to snag R300s at the current pricepoint, knowing that I wont be replacing my AVR any time soon.

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Hello to all, I would like to ask you advice to exploit 100% the potential of the Q600c power plant, currently driving a 7.1 system with a receiver yamaha rxv3067 and I noticed that when I tested the receiver from the need to drive the central front towers have benefited as much by gaining so much dynamic presence and power, the towers are kef IQ90 and they are much more sensitive (91dB) and easy to drive the central evidently (87dB). I would therefore like to drive the central with a final end, which suggest me that has a full-bodied tone on the bass and transparent on the voices?

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Question about the R-series speakers and matching receiver requirements-
A few pages back I had asked about center speakers to expand from my Q100's, I decided I'd invest in growing my system and snag up the R200c since it's nearly the same price as the Q650 right now. That also got my looking at the great deals you can get on the other R-series speakers since the new line was launched, such as the R300 to replace as my L/R mains and shifting my Q100s to surrounds. All reviews on the R speakers state that they're very demanding on the amp and need high end equipment paired with them.

So- where do you draw the line with R speakers being demanding on a receiver/amp? Will my budget Yamaha make the R300 speakers sound worse than, for example, the Q350? Or is it more that they'll still sound good and be an upgrade, but just that a better amp would push them to their full potential better? The prices right now with the out-going R-series speakers seem like a great opportunity to snag really good speakers at reasonable prices, but I know it'll be a long time before upgrading my Yamaha AVR since I just got into the hobby and bought what seemed reasonable at the time; I have an excuse for the speakers since I'm expanding from 2.1 to 3.1 to 5.1, but not really a good excuse to replace an AVR less than a year old. Basically trying to decide if I should just get an R200 and Q350, or if it'd be wise to snag R300s at the current pricepoint, knowing that I wont be replacing my AVR any time soon.
Right now worry about speakers. Finding speakers this good as R series speakers are - is going to be tough. So, do not lose the opportunity. Your AVR is going to be enough whether you drive Q series or R series speakers. However, to squeeze everything R series has to offer you'd need to get a better AVR or an amplifier. You could always do it a year or two down the road, but finding R series on sale is going to be a challenge.

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I am purchasing a Optical SPDIF cable for my Kef LSX and I would like to know which one is recommended. (no toslink cable included with kef lsx)
The two that i found interesting are these: QED Performance Graphite optical cable & QED Reference Optical Quartz cable.

Which one is recommended for the Kef LSX? Will the Quartz be 'overkill' or is it worth to pay the premium for a sound benefit? (anyone with experience with the Quartz one or is it just 'hype', as I read that some say that there is no difference between 3dollar or 200 dollar toslink cable)





So, the drawings are correct, but practically, at audio rates, no difference. What the drawings and associated text describes what is known as multi-mode and single mode fibers. Single-mode fibers allow only a single transverse mode to propagate down the fiber whereas multimode, does, well, more than one transverse mode. Each transverse mode has a slightly different speed, but all close to the speed of light. This is known as mode-smearing, and can limit data rates over long distances (think about gigabytes per second rates, though, and kilometers of fiber).

So, unless you are a high-speed trader (read Flash Boys by Michael Lewis) or are a telecom provider, it won't matter.

However, junk plastic fibers can have high losses even over short distances. So a $3 dollar version may not be great either. Check out Blue Jeans cable or similar.

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Question about the R-series speakers and matching receiver requirements-
A few pages back I had asked about center speakers to expand from my Q100's, I decided I'd invest in growing my system and snag up the R200c since it's nearly the same price as the Q650 right now. That also got my looking at the great deals you can get on the other R-series speakers since the new line was launched, such as the R300 to replace as my L/R mains and shifting my Q100s to surrounds. All reviews on the R speakers state that they're very demanding on the amp and need high end equipment paired with them.

So- where do you draw the line with R speakers being demanding on a receiver/amp? Will my budget Yamaha make the R300 speakers sound worse than, for example, the Q350? Or is it more that they'll still sound good and be an upgrade, but just that a better amp would push them to their full potential better? The prices right now with the out-going R-series speakers seem like a great opportunity to snag really good speakers at reasonable prices, but I know it'll be a long time before upgrading my Yamaha AVR since I just got into the hobby and bought what seemed reasonable at the time; I have an excuse for the speakers since I'm expanding from 2.1 to 3.1 to 5.1, but not really a good excuse to replace an AVR less than a year old. Basically trying to decide if I should just get an R200 and Q350, or if it'd be wise to snag R300s at the current pricepoint, knowing that I wont be replacing my AVR any time soon.
I have R series system that I was driving with Yamaha 3050 and it had enough power for very loud(uncomfortable) volume levels. I understand that your receiver can provide about half of the power of the 3050, so i would consider either getting a new receiver or an external amp that can be had for a decent price. I ended up with Outlaw 7125 that is currently driving my LCR speakers. I haven't noticed a major difference in sound quality, but my Yamaha runs a lot cooler now. And I also know that i have enough power to drive the speakers to the ear bleeding levels. I think that you will get by with your receiver for now, so take advantage of the R series discounts as I did and enjoy the speakers. Good luck.

PS. They still have stock on R100 and R50 speakers in Canada if anyone interested.
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Regarding the Q series and getting cohesive sound for the front sound stage and surrounds I chose to go with 5 Q150s...

compared to previous setups where I had a pair of bookshelves + matching center up front, but a cheaper pair of bookshelves or satellites as surrounds, there is a very noticeable improvement.

Having 5 of the exact same speaker certainly has a seamless quality to it. I plugged the ports completely and paired to the sealed L12 Rythmik sub and Yamaha Aventage 2070 AVR. I experimented with global crossovers between 80Hz and 120Hz and I find 80Hz is best though 100Hz is quite good as well.

I didn't want too much bass/TR from the speakers having sent back 3 Philharmonic AA+s bookshelves for that exact reason. However, those who do want more bass can leave the ports open and the Q350s would be even more useful for that. Could even add Q series towers as mains and Q650c center. (All Q series should match well in terms of voicing/tonal balance/timbre.)

That being said I like bookshelves paired with a sub. I get bass that is very consistent from speaker to speaker with that approach. Having tried port plugs for the first time with these KEF Q150s, I can say I understand what they are for now. My sub has never sounded better as the last remaining trace of boominess is gone. And the 80Hz crossover simply sounds amazing.

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Also, in seems SS&I are best with an 80Hz crossover, even though REW shows higher crossovers like 100Hz fill out the crossover region. Also 80Hz has better transient response in the bass whereas 100Hz is thicker/fuller.

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Regarding the Q series and getting cohesive sound for the front sound stage and surrounds I chose to go with 5 Q150s...

compared to previous setups where I had a pair of bookshelves + matching center up front, but a cheaper pair of bookshelves or satellites as surrounds, there is a very noticeable improvement.

Having 5 of the exact same speaker certainly has a seamless quality to it. I plugged the ports completely and paired to the sealed L12 Rythmik sub and Yamaha Aventage 2070 AVR. I experimented with global crossovers between 80Hz and 120Hz and I find 80Hz is best though 100Hz is quite good as well.

I didn't want too much bass/TR from the speakers having sent back 3 Philharmonic AA+s bookshelves for that exact reason. However, those who do want more bass can leave the ports open and the Q350s would be even more useful for that. Could even add Q series towers as mains and Q650c center. (All Q series should match well in terms of voicing/tonal balance/timbre.)

That being said I like bookshelves paired with a sub. I get bass that is very consistent from speaker to speaker with that approach. Having tried port plugs for the first time with these KEF Q150s, I can say I understand what they are for now. My sub has never sounded better as the last remaining trace of boominess is gone. And the 80Hz crossover simply sounds amazing.
I felt plugging the ports made them sound congested and don't like the sound at all. I removed the plugs and went with a higher crossover. My system sounds much better much better since I got it dialed in.

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Regarding the Q series and getting cohesive sound for the front sound stage and surrounds I chose to go with 5 Q150s...

compared to previous setups where I had a pair of bookshelves + matching center up front, but a cheaper pair of bookshelves or satellites as surrounds, there is a very noticeable improvement.

Having 5 of the exact same speaker certainly has a seamless quality to it. I plugged the ports completely and paired to the sealed L12 Rythmik sub and Yamaha Aventage 2070 AVR. I experimented with global crossovers between 80Hz and 120Hz and I find 80Hz is best though 100Hz is quite good as well.

I didn't want too much bass/TR from the speakers having sent back 3 Philharmonic AA+s bookshelves for that exact reason. However, those who do want more bass can leave the ports open and the Q350s would be even more useful for that. Could even add Q series towers as mains and Q650c center. (All Q series should match well in terms of voicing/tonal balance/timbre.)

That being said I like bookshelves paired with a sub. I get bass that is very consistent from speaker to speaker with that approach. Having tried port plugs for the first time with these KEF Q150s, I can say I understand what they are for now. My sub has never sounded better as the last remaining trace of boominess is gone. And the 80Hz crossover simply sounds amazing.
I felt plugging the ports made them sound congested and don't like the sound at all. I removed the plugs and went with a higher crossover. My system sounds much better much better since I got it dialed in.
To each his own... my room has a big peak around 50Hz (which is around port tune), so port plugs make a very audible difference even with 100Hz or higher crossovers.

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Question about the R-series speakers and matching receiver requirements-
A few pages back I had asked about center speakers to expand from my Q100's, I decided I'd invest in growing my system and snag up the R200c since it's nearly the same price as the Q650 right now. That also got my looking at the great deals you can get on the other R-series speakers since the new line was launched, such as the R300 to replace as my L/R mains and shifting my Q100s to surrounds. All reviews on the R speakers state that they're very demanding on the amp and need high end equipment paired with them.

So- where do you draw the line with R speakers being demanding on a receiver/amp? Will my budget Yamaha make the R300 speakers sound worse than, for example, the Q350? Or is it more that they'll still sound good and be an upgrade, but just that a better amp would push them to their full potential better? The prices right now with the out-going R-series speakers seem like a great opportunity to snag really good speakers at reasonable prices, but I know it'll be a long time before upgrading my Yamaha AVR since I just got into the hobby and bought what seemed reasonable at the time; I have an excuse for the speakers since I'm expanding from 2.1 to 3.1 to 5.1, but not really a good excuse to replace an AVR less than a year old. Basically trying to decide if I should just get an R200 and Q350, or if it'd be wise to snag R300s at the current pricepoint, knowing that I wont be replacing my AVR any time soon.
I used my old barely above budget Yamaha RX V473 with my new R3's when I upgraded (but only in 2.0 mode) About 80 watts - 2 channel IIRC. They sounded excellent. Luckily I was in a position to upgrade at will and use my new Yamaha RX A2080 in 2.2 (see sig).

It sounds excellent. I would definitely get the R300's. Hook them up and see how it goes. They will sound awesome (maybe just can't play as loud) with your budget AVR. You can always run at less than 5.1 if you have to while saving up for another AVR.

I'm really happy with movies at 2.2 with my R3's! The phantom center is strong. And music is excellent!

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