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Thanks Ken , i will try to test without , can you remember is there where any change i the sound after burn in of the speakers.
I never had to "burn in" or "break in" my R500's because I bought 2-yr old dealer demonstrator ones at a substantial discount with full warranty.

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You can easily use the USB output of your PC into a Node or Powernode because they both have a USB-A input. All kinds of adapters exist. Here's one place you might find exactly what you need:

https://www.monoprice.com/category/a...s/usb-adapters

If I have some time tomorrow, I'll fire-up my laptop PC and connect it via USB to my Vault 2 to see if it'll play audio from a YouTube video running on the PC. I think it might.

A Vault 2 is essentially a Node 2 with added ripping and storage capabilities.
Out of curiosity, did you ever have an opportunity to try this? Per my understanding it can only support reading storage through that interface.

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On the question of LS50W vs LSX...I have a pair of LS50W. I used them in a living room for both music and HT. Since I am out of the country right now, they are being used on a friend's office desk. I feel they are too big for that space, and you can't take full advantage of the bass features on a normal desktop. You have to really confine their abilities on a desk since they are so close to you. When I return, I am going to get a pair of LSX for my desktop, as I feel they are better designed for that space. I prefer the LS50W as room speaker, not something right in my face.

I disagree with the negative sentiment about active speakers as an option. The responses here are made out of fear of an event that hasn't happened, and not based on any facts or numbers. The reply on that level is to say that active speakers have been used in professional environments for decades. It is not a new concept, and is a very mature technology. The fear around active speakers as an option is unfounded.

In a more practical view, let's first look at cost. With the LSX you are spending $1100 for the full package vs $1000 for the LS50. You then have to pay for the additional electronics needed to run them. If you look at what people say on here, they recommend a good quality amp for LS50, not a cheap $300 one, and also a sub to go with them. You can get quite a bill going, but let's assume you are dealing with the $300 amp, and no additional electronics. If you opt for the LS50W, you're spending $2200 for the full set, so you're closer to LS50 passives with a sub, and a halfway decent amp.

With my LS50W, I did actually have to send them in for repair. The repair was free, but I had to pay about $100 shipping. So, you're still ahead of the cheap amp, and it took about a week. If you have to send in a pair of LSX after the warranty is over, you're breaking even on the cheap amp, and way ahead on a better quality one.

Next, look at time. What happens with the "amp inevitably fails," in the LS50W or LSX. Using that logic, the amp will also "inevitably fail" in your passive system. So the failure part is consistent across both systems, and you just look at the details. With the passive set up, you have to pay for the cost of new amp, and wait for it to arrive...about the same amount of time, and more cost for the replacement.

I have never heard a legitimate argument for why active speakers are not a real option for any system, be it desktop speakers, a 2.1, or a full fledged HT set up. Every argument I see are made out of fear, by people who don't actually have active speakers. I recommend that you include them in your search. Try them out at Best Buy and see what you think. Don't discount or give any bonus to active or passive. Treat them all the same, and get the system that works best for you and your space.
Fair points. In an almost serendipitous way both models are on sale today. I can grab the NAD D 3045 + LS50 for$1,700 or the LS50W for $2000. Haven't had an opportunity to see if local store had any to demo.

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Thanks Ken , i will try to test without , can you remember is there where any change i the sound after burn in of the speakers.


Speaker break-in is a controversial topic on this forum but I do believe in it, primarily for the bass. Speakers are mechanical so not unreasonable IMO. Some manufacturers run them in at the factory for quality control testing so may be broke-in when leaving the factory. I also think it takes just a matter of a few hours to loosen up a new speaker - three hours typically. Anything beyond that “may” just be getting used to the speakers. I have some direct experience but certainly not enough to disregard others experiences.


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Out of curiosity, did you ever have an opportunity to try this? Per my understanding it can only support reading storage through that interface.



Fair points. In an almost serendipitous way both models are on sale today. I can grab the NAD D 3045 + LS50 for$1,700 or the LS50W for $2000. Haven't had an opportunity to see if local store had any to demo.

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Sorry, but I couldn't test. We actually have a guest staying in our guest room at the moment.
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So, swapped back to gloss black LS50s with an upgraded D 3045 (60w) amp. My favourite thing about the D3045 is that the front display turns off after inactivity, so the OLEDs won't burn out over time which was a common issue on old D3020 units.

Feels like there's a lot more bass than I remember my old pair using a D3020 had, but considering the time difference it is probably all just in my head.
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So, swapped back to gloss black LS50s with an upgraded D 3045 (60w) amp. My favourite thing about the D3045 is that the front display turns off after inactivity, so the OLEDs won't burn out over time which was a common issue on old D3020 units.

Feels like there's a lot more bass than I remember my old pair using a D3020 had, but considering the time difference it is probably all just in my head.
I have a NAD 216 coming in (most likely next week) few days. I'd like to hear your thoughts on the LS50' with NAD amp.

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I've used a NAD C 328 and M22 to drive LS50s. I expected the sound to be excellent with M22 and it is, but I was surprised how good it was with the little C 328 integrated.
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So, swapped back to gloss black LS50s with an upgraded D 3045 (60w) amp. My favourite thing about the D3045 is that the front display turns off after inactivity, so the OLEDs won't burn out over time which was a common issue on old D3020 units.



Feels like there's a lot more bass than I remember my old pair using a D3020 had, but considering the time difference it is probably all just in my head.
I ordered both the D 3045 and Black on Black LS50 myself yesterday due to the sale on the speakers. I expect to have them by this weekend. Looking forward to getting everything setup.

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In an almost serendipitous way both models are on sale today. I can grab the NAD D 3045 + LS50 for$1,700 or the LS50W for $2000. Haven't had an opportunity to see if local store had any to demo.
This is an excellent question as I was just about to bite the bullet on the LS50W given the sale and have been dealing with the same "which should I do" quandary.

It does raise another question for me as well though... do these sales happen often? Or does this portend a potential upgrade in the LS50W (to AirPlay2 or whatever...)? I have no idea how often these sales happen, but I don't want to buy and then have them come out with another model/step up in a month or two.

Thanks in advance for replies - you guys are much more knowledgeable than I am.
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If anyone's interested, there's a member of my FB group with a pair of mint-condition LS50 Wireless for sale very cheap. Ping me if you want info and couldn't find it.

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This is an excellent question as I was just about to bite the bullet on the LS50W given the sale and have been dealing with the same "which should I do" quandary.



It does raise another question for me as well though... do these sales happen often? Or does this portend a potential upgrade in the LS50W (to AirPlay2 or whatever...)? I have no idea how often these sales happen, but I don't want to buy and then have them come out with another model/step up in a month or two.



Thanks in advance for replies - you guys are much more knowledgeable than I am.
I'm not certain how often they go on sale. I expect at least once during the holidays and probably a few times throughout the year. It seems Amazon's Prime Day has started triggering other retailers/vendor sales to coincide with theirs. When I looked at the price history the last time I saw the prices drop was around the holidays last year. Of course I imagine you can find deals pop up all the time especially on used ones.

For me I ended up deciding on the integrated amp + passives not out of worry that anything would happen to the electronics in the LS50W. Rather, to your point if technology changes you can always just replace the amp to get the latest features. Likewise, if I ever want to upgrade or replace the speakers, those can be swapped out independently. Every review I've read said the LS50W has better bass. But I may eventually just get an 8"cube and add it to the setup.

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I'm not certain how often they go on sale. I expect at least once during the holidays and probably a few times throughout the year. It seems Amazon's Prime Day has started triggering other retailers/vendor sales to coincide with theirs. When I looked at the price history the last time I saw the prices drop was around the holidays last year. Of course I imagine you can find deals pop up all the time especially on used ones.

For me I ended up deciding on the integrated amp + passives not out of worry that anything would happen to the electronics in the LS50W. Rather, to your point if technology changes you can always just replace the amp to get the latest features. Likewise, if I ever want to upgrade or replace the speakers, those can be swapped out independently. Every review I've read said the LS50W has better bass. But I may eventually just get an 8"cube and add it to the setup.
How big is the space for listening? My office is 10' deep x 14' wide and I have the LS50's about 7' apart on the long wall. I use a Kube 10b and think it's just about perfect for my application.

I thought about the Wireless too, but really wasn't even in the market when I was at my dealer looking over the used stuff for some "decent desktop speakers." That's when they dug out a pair of the frosted black/blue driver limited edition passive LS50's for a fair price. Done. Over the course of the next 10 months I went from 30 watts (D3020) to 60 watts (Powernode 2) and now with 100 watts (M10.)

I'm done for a few years having taken a lower-paying job for stress reduction, but not ruling out something bigger & better down the road. I didn't want to believe it, but for me better amps and DAC's do seem to get more out of these speakers. Based upon some auditions at my dealer's store it may be true that you don't start to reach the limit of the speakers until you're at this higher level and up.

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This is an excellent question as I was just about to bite the bullet on the LS50W given the sale and have been dealing with the same "which should I do" quandary.

It does raise another question for me as well though... do these sales happen often? Or does this portend a potential upgrade in the LS50W (to AirPlay2 or whatever...)? I have no idea how often these sales happen, but I don't want to buy and then have them come out with another model/step up in a month or two.

Thanks in advance for replies - you guys are much more knowledgeable than I am.
It looks like KEF puts them on sale twice a year, as far as what I've seen. I've been waiting since Christmas to see the LS50's on sale. Now, mid July, they are on sale. I am happy, I pulled the trigger on a pair. They arrive tomorrow. Can hardly wait!
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I've just been lucky enough to come into a pair of LS50's,

(I also came into a T301c center speaker)

My dilemma is how do I build a HT/System around these speakers?

I am close to buying an Onkyo AVR (TX-RZ840)
https://www.onkyousa.com/product/hom...sors/tx-rz840/
And I know there are better AVR's for the money- but it has Sonos integration, and our house is too invested in Sonos right now to completely get off the teet.

I guess the dilemma is- will the LS50's run well under the Onkyo for music?
Is the Onkyo powerful enough to drive the 50's?

Im a little overwhelmed with the research I've had to do since getting the LS50's, but trying to also work out if I should be running them through the pre-amp feature of an AVR with a separate amp to get the best out of them? But if I am putting them through the pre-amp and an external amp, what happens when I try to watch a surround sound movie, does it still pick them up?


Any advice would be great, there's so much information out there but I'd love to get these speakers in a good place.
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Has anyone tried the LS50's with the Schiit Vidar amps? The few reviews I've seen are positive but I am wondering if anyone has any real world experience with this combo. The Vidars put 100 watts into 8 ohms and 200 watts into 4 ohms and are only $699.
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I guess the dilemma is- will the LS50's run well under the Onkyo for music?
Is the Onkyo powerful enough to drive the 50's?
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Has anyone tried the LS50's with the Schiit Vidar amps? The few reviews I've seen are positive but I am wondering if anyone has any real world experience with this combo. The Vidars put 100 watts into 8 ohms and 200 watts into 4 ohms and are only $699.
I'd say neither of you have anything to worry about, most people never put more than a couple watts through their speakers and both that Onkyo receiver and the power amp are over 100 Watts, the LS50's will be at the woofers Xmax long before you put 100 Watts into them.

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I'd say neither of you have anything to worry about, most people never put more than a couple watts through their speakers and both that Onkyo receiver and the power amp are over 100 Watts, the LS50's will be at the woofers Xmax long before you put 100 Watts into them.
kef recommends 25-100w. Anecdotally my 125watt peachtree nova125 causes noticeably apparent distortion at around 12 or 1oclock on the volume dial.

I also tested out my ls50 with my topping vx1 usb dac/amp and it sounded pretty bad at all but the most modest listening levels so I’d agree with the poster above and say that unless your amp is broken, or garbage tier like my topping, you are good to go.

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I'm in a similar boat, but debating the R3 vs the R5. I have dual HSU VTF15 MK2 subwoofers so the low end is solid. My room is 14'x19' with a false wall and AT screen. I want to buy 3 of R3 or R5 for LCR duty. The KEF white paper shows the R3 rolls off faster in the critical 100Hz to 60Hz region than the R5 (assuming an 80Hz crossover to the subs). My question is whether the better rolloff is worth the delta in price between these models, x3. The R5 is about $400 more than the R3, so is the better integration with the sub worth spending $1200 more? Does the extra driver in the R5 make for more than just a slightly better low end? My mind says go with R3 but my heart is pulling me to the R5 and telling me its always better to go bigger when you have the chance.

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I'm in a similar boat, but debating the R3 vs the R5. I have dual HSU VTF15 MK2 subwoofers so the low end is solid. My room is 14'x19' with a false wall and AT screen. I want to buy 3 of R3 or R5 for LCR duty. The KEF white paper shows the R3 rolls off faster in the critical 100Hz to 60Hz region than the R5 (assuming an 80Hz crossover to the subs). My question is whether the better rolloff is worth the delta in price between these models, x3. The R5 is about $400 more than the R3, so is the better integration with the sub worth spending $1200 more? Does the extra driver in the R5 make for more than just a slightly better low end? My mind says go with R3 but my heart is pulling me to the R5 and telling me its always better to go bigger when you have the chance.

Decisions, decisions....

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This is an excellent question as I was just about to bite the bullet on the LS50W given the sale and have been dealing with the same "which should I do" quandary.

It does raise another question for me as well though... do these sales happen often? Or does this portend a potential upgrade in the LS50W (to AirPlay2 or whatever...)? I have no idea how often these sales happen, but I don't want to buy and then have them come out with another model/step up in a month or two.

Thanks in advance for replies - you guys are much more knowledgeable than I am.
The LS50's have been on sale for $998(CDN) for a few weeks now. I suspect something is in the works as well.

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I'm in a similar boat, but debating the R3 vs the R5. I have dual HSU VTF15 MK2 subwoofers so the low end is solid. My room is 14'x19' with a false wall and AT screen. I want to buy 3 of R3 or R5 for LCR duty. The KEF white paper shows the R3 rolls off faster in the critical 100Hz to 60Hz region than the R5 (assuming an 80Hz crossover to the subs). My question is whether the better rolloff is worth the delta in price between these models, x3. The R5 is about $400 more than the R3, so is the better integration with the sub worth spending $1200 more? Does the extra driver in the R5 make for more than just a slightly better low end? My mind says go with R3 but my heart is pulling me to the R5 and telling me its always better to go bigger when you have the chance.



Decisions, decisions....



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Most people decide based on how loud they would like to hear. In HT mode, most sound comes from a single center speaker. For most people R3 as a center does not provide enough SPL without distortion. So for them the choice is to either move to R2C (or higher) + R3 or R5 for all three..

My two cents.
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I want to buy 3 of R3 or R5 for LCR duty. The KEF white paper shows the R3 rolls off faster in the critical 100Hz to 60Hz region than the R5 (assuming an 80Hz crossover to the subs).
Good choice on going with 3 identical LCR, with 2 solid subs you could easily get by with 3 R3, remember it's a 6.5" woofer compared to 2 5.25", so it's not as big of a difference as it may seem. Also, if you're a bookshelf guy and want a bit more output from 100Hz+, you could do 3 R2c as well. Many people don't think you can do that because it's a "center" channel, but a speaker is a speaker and it is the identical configuration, drivers and crossover as the R5, just in a smaller size and sealed, which should actually be easier to blend with your subs.
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I've just been lucky enough to come into a pair of LS50's,

(I also came into a T301c center speaker)

My dilemma is how do I build a HT/System around these speakers?

I am close to buying an Onkyo AVR (TX-RZ840)
https://www.onkyousa.com/product/hom...sors/tx-rz840/
And I know there are better AVR's for the money- but it has Sonos integration, and our house is too invested in Sonos right now to completely get off the teet.

I guess the dilemma is- will the LS50's run well under the Onkyo for music?
Is the Onkyo powerful enough to drive the 50's?

Im a little overwhelmed with the research I've had to do since getting the LS50's, but trying to also work out if I should be running them through the pre-amp feature of an AVR with a separate amp to get the best out of them? But if I am putting them through the pre-amp and an external amp, what happens when I try to watch a surround sound movie, does it still pick them up?


Any advice would be great, there's so much information out there but I'd love to get these speakers in a good place.
The Onkyo will easily drive the LS50's, but just about every LS50 owner who added a decent stereo amp have said they really come alive with good amplification. You may want to consider getting the Onkyo RZ630 for half the price and getting a good used $500-600 amp on Ebay.
https://www.crutchfield.com/p_580RZ6...-TX-RZ630.html
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Parasound-Z...AAAOSwk1hciq6u

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The Onkyo will easily drive the LS50's, but just about every LS50 owner who added a decent stereo amp have said they really come alive with good amplification. You may want to consider getting the Onkyo RZ630 for half the price and getting a good used $500-600 amp on Ebay.

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_580RZ6...-TX-RZ630.html

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Parasound-Z...AAAOSwk1hciq6u
I can vouch for Parasound. I use Parasound two channel class A/AB high current amp with my LS50. Sounds great but not that much better than my old Yamaha AVR.

So Onkyo may work just fine.

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The LS50's have been on sale for $998(CDN) for a few weeks now. I suspect something is in the works as well.
Grrr... given the LSX's and how much they are pumping the AirPlay2 for them, I can't help but think the same thing.

How do you like the LS50's paired with the SVS SB2000? I am strongly considering that sub to pair with them, but am debating the newer SB3000 as well.
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Remember to factor in the cost of stands for the L/R and center if you need one for that. My stands are about $190 shipped from Monoprice but as I'm sure you know they can go for a lot more. I have the R3's and dual Rythmik F12SE's and they are incredible for both music and movies. Whatever you decide you will not be disappointed. :-)
That looks like an awesome setup. Carpet and lovely speakers. Looks like a real nice place to be.

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That looks like an awesome setup. Carpet and lovely speakers. Looks like a real nice place to be.

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Thanks so much! It is a great place to relax and deee-stresss. :-)

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Grrr... given the LSX's and how much they are pumping the AirPlay2 for them, I can't help but think the same thing.

How do you like the LS50's paired with the SVS SB2000? I am strongly considering that sub to pair with them, but am debating the newer SB3000 as well.
Thought I'd add my observation/s regarding a sub w/LS50's. I just received my LS50's today (upgrading from Q300's) and I have them paired with the diminutive, DefTech Supercube 4000, and Peachtree nova150. I'm really liking the sound I hear coming from the LS50's! A definite sonic difference(to the good!) compared with the Q300's, and the 300's weren't too shabby, either!

My situation, so far, is having the LS50's rear port stuffed with the foam plug (the pass through plug), due to the closeness of rear, and side walls. I'm breaking them in now with a playlist on Spotify curated from the folks at, Cambridge Audio. And a fine playlist it is! They sound terrific, and the Supercube still amazes me after more than two years use with it. One of the great things about the DefTech Supercube is its remote. There are some audio tracks that really pack a lot of bass, and then some that don't, so being able to compensate for that with the remote is very convenient.

I'm sure SVS would make a great pairing, but I now own two subs (DefTech & Polk) that come with the remotes, and they have spoiled me.

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Thought I'd add my observation/s regarding a sub w/LS50's. I just received my LS50's today (upgrading from Q300's) and I have them paired with the diminutive, DefTech Supercube 4000, and Peachtree nova150. I'm really liking the sound I hear coming from the LS50's! A definite sonic difference(to the good!) compared with the Q300's, and the 300's weren't too shabby, either!



My situation, so far, is having the LS50's rear port stuffed with the foam plug (the pass through plug), due to the closeness of rear, and side walls. I'm breaking them in now with a playlist on Spotify curated from the folks at, Cambridge Audio. And a fine playlist it is! They sound terrific, and the Supercube still amazes me after more than two years use with it. One of the great things about the DefTech Supercube is its remote. There are some audio tracks that really pack a lot of bass, and then some that don't, so being able to compensate for that with the remote is very convenient.



I'm sure SVS would make a great pairing, but I now own two subs (DefTech & Polk) that come with the remotes, and they have spoiled me.



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Yes. Wish I had a remote for my SVS. I do have an AVR that can adjust sub output but needs 4 sub-menus to get there. Direct simple remote with a few presets may be more user-friendly.
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Remember to factor in the cost of stands for the L/R and center if you need one for that. My stands are about $190 shipped from Monoprice but as I'm sure you know they can go for a lot more. I have the R3's and dual Rythmik F12SE's and they are incredible for both music and movies. Whatever you decide you will not be disappointed. :-)
I did not see a center channel speaker here. Do you use phantom center? How does that work for dialog clarity?
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