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I have a local KEF dealer who sees me a LOT.

No, I have not compared them side-by-side, but have heard both in the same room various times.
I live in Plymouth. Where is your "local" KEF dealer?

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I live in Plymouth. Where is your "local" KEF dealer?
Local to me....1 mile over the New Hampshire line off Rt3 in Nashua, Audio Video Therapy!

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No, I have not compared them side-by-side, but have heard both in the same room various times.
It would seem though that the R11 would need a sub to go as low as the R900 since it has smaller woofers in a narrower cabinet.

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It would seem though that the R11 would need a sub to go as low as the R900 since it has smaller woofers in a narrower cabinet.
They may not appear to go as low, but it's not a matter of driver or cabinet width. It's many things, including total surface area, driver xmax, cabinet volume, crossover network, and so on. The bass may sound different because it reacts markedly faster. I do have a friend who replaced his R900's with R11's and he reports that the new ones do not go as low but the quality of the bass response now is such that he really doesn't notice.

It would really be worth a ride up to AB Therapy to audition their R11's, and you could probably take them home for a true in-home trial.

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Just bought a pair of Q150's - happy to be a part of the KEF family!

EDIT: At least I'm hoping to be a happy part of the KEF family - I only noticed that they're "special order" from where I bought them. I'm fine waiting longer, but I hope it doesn't turn into a situation where they can't fulfill the order (they're even listed as "backordered" on KEF's site), and I would prefer to not get stuck with the white or black versions (I ordered the walnut finish).

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Question for those that may have some thoughts, looking at q750s or q950s for home theater. How much more am I gaining from the 950s?
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Question for those that may have some thoughts, looking at q750s or q950s for home theater. How much more am I gaining from the 950s?
If for mostly HT, you'll need a sub or 2 so the larger 950's really wouldn't make a difference. If you like to listen to music in 2.0, the 950's would have deeper bass and better dynamics, but not necessarily sound better.

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Hi all,

I have 2 pairs of KEF Q300, using 3 of the speakers as LCR. What do you recommend I should get used for 2 rear surrounds in a 5.1 configuration? I have a sub and will be adding a second one.

So far I 've been using a pair of Polks as surrounds but I am selling them so need to find new surrounds. Should I look for some older KEFs on ebay? Something like IQ1 or IQ3 - are those any good?
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If for mostly HT, you'll need a sub or 2 so the larger 950's really wouldn't make a difference. If you like to listen to music in 2.0, the 950's would have deeper bass and better dynamics, but not necessarily sound better.
Ok thanks. Yes it would mostly be for HT setup. I was thinking of a 5.1.4 or 5.2.4 setup so I will be adding plenty of bass. Wanted to make sure I wasn't missing out with something on the 950s. Does anyone have 750s for HT setup?
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Question for those that may have some thoughts, looking at q750s or q950s for home theater. How much more am I gaining from the 950s?
If you have the space go for the q950's.

Lower/punchier bass, bigger sound , bigger soundstage.

Be warned the Q950's are HUGE

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Hi all,

I have 2 pairs of KEF Q300, using 3 of the speakers as LCR. What do you recommend I should get used for 2 rear surrounds in a 5.1 configuration? I have a sub and will be adding a second one.

So far I 've been using a pair of Polks as surrounds but I am selling them so need to find new surrounds. Should I look for some older KEFs on ebay? Something like IQ1 or IQ3 - are those any good?
I am running Q300s and Q100s for my surrounds - Q300 on the sides and Q100s in the back. I would suggest you look for some used Q100s on eBay to use as your surrounds. The Q100 and Q300 are front ported and are easier to place on the walls as surrounds than the new model Q150 and Q350. Those are now rear ported, making them more sensitive to being placed close to a wall unless the port is plugged. I don't have any experience with the IQ1 or IQ3, but think in general you would be better off staying with the same generation speakers for your system.
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I would think the R5s are packaged individually so they shouldn't be hard to get an odd number, your local dealer won't let you do this? The R2c is the identical configuration as the R5 and they can be bought by the single obviously, they're sealed though so they won't have the bass response of the R5 but you'll be using subs anyway and sealed speakers generally blend better with subs.
Yes, you are right, it looks like I spoke too soon. The R5 and higher can be purchased individually, but the R3 seems to only be available in pairs. I was originally planning to use R3's across the front, mostly due to cost and the fact I have dual 15" subs so I don't need the bass extension from the mains. However, since I can't buy R3's individually, I'm now planning on going with R5's or R7's across the front.

So now I'm debating if there is a reason to spend more for R7's instead of R5's. The R5's have the smaller 5.25" drivers and narrower cabinet. I'm going with Q300's for the L/R surrounds and Ci200QR's for the Atmos channels, and these both have larger drivers than the R5's. This is the only reason I could see going with the R7's, since the larger driver may be a better match for the surround and Atmos speakers. But is that better match worth the extra cost? Hard to know, but I don't upgrade very often (last time was 2002, so 17 years ago). I thus want to get this as "right" as possible since it may be another 15 years or so before I change the mains out again.

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Yes, you are right, it looks like I spoke too soon. The R5 and higher can be purchased individually, but the R3 seems to only be available in pairs. I was originally planning to use R3's across the front, mostly due to cost and the fact I have dual 15" subs so I don't need the bass extension from the mains. However, since I can't buy R3's individually, I'm now planning on going with R5's or R7's across the front.

So now I'm debating if there is a reason to spend more for R7's instead of R5's. The R5's have the smaller 5.25" drivers and narrower cabinet. I'm going with Q300's for the L/R surrounds and Ci200QR's for the Atmos channels, and these both have larger drivers than the R5's. This is the only reason I could see going with the R7's, since the larger driver may be a better match for the surround and Atmos speakers. But is that better match worth the extra cost? Hard to know, but I don't upgrade very often (last time was 2002, so 17 years ago). I thus want to get this as "right" as possible since it may be another 15 years or so before I change the mains out again.

As usual, all opinions and comments are welcome.

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I would say no, 2 5" drivers offer plenty of output above 80Hz. Unless you listen at levels above like 95 or more I'd say the R5 are fine.
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Hi guys anyone using a 2 x pair R8a? i am using a pair now wondering if i should get another pair? is it a big difference if using 2 pairs instead of one
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I am running Q300s and Q100s for my surrounds - Q300 on the sides and Q100s in the back. I would suggest you look for some used Q100s on eBay to use as your surrounds. The Q100 and Q300 are front ported and are easier to place on the walls as surrounds than the new model Q150 and Q350. Those are now rear ported, making them more sensitive to being placed close to a wall unless the port is plugged. I don't have any experience with the IQ1 or IQ3, but think in general you would be better off staying with the same generation speakers for your system.
Thanks, Hardrive. I was looking to buy a used pair of q100 or q300 but there aren't many listings on ebay uk. Seems like people are holding onto them or if there are any brand new listings they are super expensive. Thus, I was willing to expand my search to the older iQ30 or iQ3.

I actually hear controversial statements about surrounds. Some people state that the surrounds get so little info and it is not critical that it would not matter what they are. Others say that they must be from the same series. Do we have a consensus on the KEF Owners thread ?
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I actually hear controversial statements about surrounds. Some people state that the surrounds get so little info and it is not critical that it would not matter what they are. Others say that they must be from the same series. Do we have a consensus on the KEF Owners thread ?
Personally, I don't think it matters whether you have surrounds from the same family or a different brand. Match if you want, if that's what you want to do.

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Hi all,

I have 2 pairs of KEF Q300, using 3 of the speakers as LCR. What do you recommend I should get used for 2 rear surrounds in a 5.1 configuration? I have a sub and will be adding a second one.

So far I 've been using a pair of Polks as surrounds but I am selling them so need to find new surrounds. Should I look for some older KEFs on ebay? Something like IQ1 or IQ3 - are those any good?
I use the iQ10's as surrounds in my guest room system. The iQxx series has the "tangerine waveguide" of the Q series you have, so they're really close in sound too.
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Personally, I don't think it matters whether you have surrounds from the same family or a different brand. Match if you want, if that's what you want to do.


Yes and no, IMO. For movies less important than multichannel music. For the OP, if you already own some, try them. I have found a different brand center works better than I expected (for movies) which is much more important than surrounds.


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Yes and no, IMO. For movies less important than multichannel music. For the OP, if you already own some, try them. I have found a different brand center works better than I expected (for movies) which is much more important than surrounds.


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The only argument I would present about that would be that most people go with a 2ch or 2.1ch set up for music, so surrounds wouldn't even come into play. Such little information is coming out of the surrounds (and even less so as you move down the chain to rear surrounds, and heights/atmos) that I don't think it matters. It matters a bit more to me for the front LCR stage, but there are some who would argue that even that's debatable.

I'm about to match my HT speakers (I currently have Polk RTi A1's as fronts, CSi A4 as centre, and Klipsch R-14M's as surrounds - I have Polk RTi A3's on the way, and will move the A1's to surround duty), but that was an aesthetic choice, not so much a concern about timbre matching. I will probably notice a difference, but likely due to the A1's having a larger driver than the R-14M's.

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https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...pular-q-series
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KEF added a smaller center to the Q series--the Q250C.

https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...pular-q-series
What bothers me about it is the price.

When both the Q200c and Q600c were current and available, the Q200c had a list price of $469 and the Q600c was $649. The new Q650c came out and went from being a true 3-way speaker to a 2-1/2-way speaker, while retaining the same price. Now this new Q250c is somehow worth only $50 less than it's much more robust brother?

I think marketing had made an error which will result in sales only to those needing its smaller profile.

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What bothers me about it is the price.

When both the Q200c and Q600c were current and available, the Q200c had a list price of $469 and the Q600c was $649. The new Q650c came out and went from being a true 3-way speaker to a 2-1/2-way speaker, while retaining the same price. Now this new Q250c is somehow worth only $50 less than it's much more robust brother?

I think marketing had made an error which will result in sales only to those needing its smaller profile.
I agree. It's a shame that they went to 2.5 way speakers for each. I can only guess they're cutting corners for profit. I find it curious that they went and released it about halfway through the lifecycle of the series instead of at the initial release.
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I agree. It's a shame that they went to 2.5 way speakers for each. I can only guess they're cutting corners for profit. I find it curious that they went and released it about halfway through the lifecycle of the series instead of at the initial release.
I'm not sure if you guys noticed but the Q250c only has 1 driver, the 2 side drivers are actually passive radiators. They probably did that so it could be used in an enclosure such as an entertainment center but for anyone that can use a rear port, a Q150 would be just as good for less money.

I also am not convinced a 2.5 way isn't a good design for KEF speakers, I know the midwoofer being relieved of all bass has its benefits but in the 2.5 way configuration it will retain their full "point-source" character since the midwoofer plays all the way down to the bass. With 3 woofers sharing the bass load, I really doubt any kind of distortion is going to be a problem.
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Probably like 18" or so...
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