KEF Owners Thread - Page 617 - AVS Forum | Home Theater Discussions And Reviews
Forum Jump: 
 6141Likes
Reply
 
Thread Tools
post #18481 of 19938 Old 08-26-2019, 06:34 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
KenM10759's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Central MA USA
Posts: 5,954
Mentioned: 32 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3594 Post(s)
Liked: 2034
Quote:
Originally Posted by aarons915 View Post
I'm not sure if you guys noticed but the Q250c only has 1 driver, the 2 side drivers are actually passive radiators. They probably did that so it could be used in an enclosure such as an entertainment center but for anyone that can use a rear port, a Q150 would be just as good for less money.

I also am not convinced a 2.5 way isn't a good design for KEF speakers, I know the midwoofer being relieved of all bass has its benefits but in the 2.5 way configuration it will retain their full "point-source" character since the midwoofer plays all the way down to the bass. With 3 woofers sharing the bass load, I really doubt any kind of distortion is going to be a problem.
Good catch on that! I didn't notice, you're correct.

That speaker should be a total failure in sales. Seriously, a simple 2-way with passive radiators for US $600? KEF is nucking futs.

As for 2-1/2-way speakers, KEF's Q series 2011 and 2017 are all 2-1/2-way speakers, AFAIK. One LF driver doing full range with the MF cone of the Uni-Q, and two ABR's. They sound great.

KEF R500, R200C, R100, R50, SVS SB2000 sub, NAD T758v3 AVR, LG UP875 4K BlueRay, Samsung UN55JU6500F 4K LED TV, KEF M500 headphones, Sony CDP-CE500 CD changer. Office: NAD M10, KEF LS50, KEF Kube 10b, E.A.T. C-Major TT w/Ortofon Quintet Blue cart.

Last edited by KenM10759; 08-26-2019 at 06:40 PM.
KenM10759 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #18482 of 19938 Old 08-26-2019, 07:56 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 71
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 63 Post(s)
Liked: 8
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan Statz View Post
Personally, I don't think it matters whether you have surrounds from the same family or a different brand. Match if you want, if that's what you want to do.
You will find opinions on both sides of this question because everyone's environment and hearing are different and play a large role in the perceived sound. Some people have sensitive hearing or highly tuned environments and say they absolutely hear a difference when the speakers in a system are not tonally matched. Others say the mis-match is hard to hear (if at all) and is not worth the expense or the time investment.

So, I take this concern to be highly subjective and thus there is no right way to go. For me, as I mentioned in another post, its been 17 years between speaker upgrades, so when I upgrade I want to do it as "right" as possible so I can forget about it for a decade or two. For this reason, I'm setting up my new system with all matched speakers - mains, surrounds, and Atmos all KEF. However, I am mixing the 2018 R series with the 2017 Q series, so technically not a perfect match. I doubt I will hear a difference since this is a 7.2.6 setup.

Regards,
HDD
Harddrive2 is offline  
post #18483 of 19938 Old 08-26-2019, 08:46 PM
Senior Member
 
PhilH930's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 249
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 65 Post(s)
Liked: 25
A new KEF Q series owner and I've struggled to find any media console that can take the Q650c. Then along comes the 250c haha.

Anyway, two quick questions:

1) Any observations on receiver brand with KEF? Currently running a Denon 4500, but continue to receive recommendations to move to a Marantz (6014) as it is better for driving KEFs (clearer, less muddy sound than Denon). On paper they looked the same to me
2) This has become a bad habit, and I am already considering upgrading Q series to R series (Q750c to R7, Q650c to R2c, retain Q350 or 150 for surrounds). Is the improvement really that noticeable from those who have heard both, and what kind of quality receiver do you need to make them come to life? I find with the Q series they require quite a lot of volume to open up.
PhilH930 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #18484 of 19938 Old 08-27-2019, 12:02 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Ryan Statz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Calgary, AB. Canada
Posts: 1,531
Mentioned: 18 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 911 Post(s)
Liked: 600
I ordered that pair of Q150's with the walnut finish (that's going to take at least 2 weeks for them to even ship, which is a bummer), and would just like to hear anyone's honest opinions of them. I'm not seeking validation, I'm more interested in people's impressions. I will be using these speakers for a very modest, low-profile music set up.

Home Theatre: Marantz SR6014 | Polk Audio RTi A3 Front L/R | Polk Audio CSi A6 Centre | Polk Audio RTi A1 Surround L/R | HSU ULS-15 MK2 Subwoofer | Sony XBR55X900E | PlayStation 4 Pro | Xbox One S | Nintendo Switch

Music: Cambridge Audio AXR100 | Stanton T.62 | Cambridge Audio AXC35 | KEF Q150 L/R
Ryan Statz is offline  
post #18485 of 19938 Old 08-27-2019, 03:03 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
KenM10759's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Central MA USA
Posts: 5,954
Mentioned: 32 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3594 Post(s)
Liked: 2034
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilH930 View Post
A new KEF Q series owner and I've struggled to find any media console that can take the Q650c. Then along comes the 250c haha.

Anyway, two quick questions:

1) Any observations on receiver brand with KEF? Currently running a Denon 4500, but continue to receive recommendations to move to a Marantz (6014) as it is better for driving KEFs (clearer, less muddy sound than Denon). On paper they looked the same to me
2) This has become a bad habit, and I am already considering upgrading Q series to R series (Q750c to R7, Q650c to R2c, retain Q350 or 150 for surrounds). Is the improvement really that noticeable from those who have heard both, and what kind of quality receiver do you need to make them come to life? I find with the Q series they require quite a lot of volume to open up.
The difference between Denon and Marantz is minute, and they are made by the same company in the same factories.

If you want a different one, consider Yamaha RX-A3070, Anthem MRX720 or 1120, or NAD T777v3/T758v3.

You don't want to spend the money to upgrade from Q750 to R7, so I won't tell you that the sound quality is profoundly better.

But stay with the Q650c until KEF releases the R6c that they know they really need.

KEF R500, R200C, R100, R50, SVS SB2000 sub, NAD T758v3 AVR, LG UP875 4K BlueRay, Samsung UN55JU6500F 4K LED TV, KEF M500 headphones, Sony CDP-CE500 CD changer. Office: NAD M10, KEF LS50, KEF Kube 10b, E.A.T. C-Major TT w/Ortofon Quintet Blue cart.
KenM10759 is offline  
post #18486 of 19938 Old 08-27-2019, 03:12 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
KenM10759's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Central MA USA
Posts: 5,954
Mentioned: 32 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3594 Post(s)
Liked: 2034
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan Statz View Post
I ordered that pair of Q150's with the walnut finish (that's going to take at least 2 weeks for them to even ship, which is a bummer), and would just like to hear anyone's honest opinions of them. I'm not seeking validation, I'm more interested in people's impressions. I will be using these speakers for a very modest, low-profile music set up.
You have pretty good speakers in those Polk RTi A1's. The Q150 will impress in a different way. If you set them up right with the proper distance behind, next to, and between them as related to your listening position, you'll be rewarded with a soundstage that's more defined and seemingly smaller yet you can move around in and it has the depth and height to accommodate. They are capable of creating sound that seems to come from both behind and in front of them while separated from the boxes.

Very cool-looking speakers in that finish, even if it is just a high-quality laminate. Very classy!
Ryan Statz likes this.

KEF R500, R200C, R100, R50, SVS SB2000 sub, NAD T758v3 AVR, LG UP875 4K BlueRay, Samsung UN55JU6500F 4K LED TV, KEF M500 headphones, Sony CDP-CE500 CD changer. Office: NAD M10, KEF LS50, KEF Kube 10b, E.A.T. C-Major TT w/Ortofon Quintet Blue cart.
KenM10759 is offline  
post #18487 of 19938 Old 08-27-2019, 03:37 AM
Newbie
 
Join Date: Aug 2019
Posts: 1
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 0
Hey guys,

I recently bought a LSX to replace my JBL LSR305s paired with the JBL LSR310s Subwoofer.

I was planning to keep the subwoofer however I cannot get it to work together - are they not compatible or have I done something wrong?
I've tried both signal in and out from the sub. Would appreciate any help.

Thanks
wwd7 is offline  
post #18488 of 19938 Old 08-27-2019, 05:38 AM
Advanced Member
 
noobtv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 979
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 650 Post(s)
Liked: 326
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilH930 View Post
1) Any observations on receiver brand with KEF? Currently running a Denon 4500, but continue to receive recommendations to move to a Marantz (6014) as it is better for driving KEFs (clearer, less muddy sound than Denon). On paper they looked the same to me

Between Marantz and Denon, I'd be surprised if they were any different inside TBH. When I look at the specs, they're practically the same, and made in the same factory.


I just ordered a Denon AVR-X3500H and I'm hoping MultEQ XT32 will have a noticeable improvement over the MCACC of the Pioneer I was using.


I checked out Marantz but their 7.2 channel model only had MultEQ XT.

Living Room: Kef Q900/Q600c/Q100, SVS SB2000, Denon AVR-X3500H.
PC Setup: Infinity R152, Sunfire XTEQ8, DIY 3e-Audio TPA3255 amp.
noobtv is offline  
post #18489 of 19938 Old 08-27-2019, 06:14 AM
Senior Member
 
PhilH930's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 249
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 65 Post(s)
Liked: 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by KenM10759 View Post
The difference between Denon and Marantz is minute, and they are made by the same company in the same factories.

If you want a different one, consider Yamaha RX-A3070, Anthem MRX720 or 1120, or NAD T777v3/T758v3.

You don't want to spend the money to upgrade from Q750 to R7, so I won't tell you that the sound quality is profoundly better.

But stay with the Q650c until KEF releases the R6c that they know they really need.
Haha, love this. Not helping my case for the R7s. What you mention is true though - I always scratched my head as to why the R2c was smaller than its floorstanding counterparts, and could see the need for the R6c. To be fair, the 650c is quite brilliant.
PhilH930 is offline  
post #18490 of 19938 Old 08-27-2019, 10:25 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
macgallant's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: NB, Canada
Posts: 1,440
Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 797 Post(s)
Liked: 513
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilH930 View Post
A new KEF Q series owner and I've struggled to find any media console that can take the Q650c. Then along comes the 250c haha.

Anyway, two quick questions:

1) Any observations on receiver brand with KEF? Currently running a Denon 4500, but continue to receive recommendations to move to a Marantz (6014) as it is better for driving KEFs (clearer, less muddy sound than Denon). On paper they looked the same to me
2) This has become a bad habit, and I am already considering upgrading Q series to R series (Q750c to R7, Q650c to R2c, retain Q350 or 150 for surrounds). Is the improvement really that noticeable from those who have heard both, and what kind of quality receiver do you need to make them come to life? I find with the Q series they require quite a lot of volume to open up.

the x4500h and sr7013 are literally clones they also both use audyssey xt32 which both will try and EQ the speakers the exact same way.

I would look at adding an external Amplifier, start with something like the BasX A-300 to power the fronts or if you want to go all out A5175 or Outlaw 5000.

Speakers: KEF Q100, Q300, Q750, Q650C, Q50a / Fluance Signature Series/ DCM TP160S-CH Subwoofers: Outlaw Ultra X12 (x2) / BIC H100-IIReceiver: Denon AVR-X4500H, AVR-X1400H Integrated Amplifier: Yamaha A-S501/ Fosi Audio TPA3116 mini amp Extras: MiniDSP Umik-1 Amplifier: Emotiva BasX-A300 Next Speakers: Triangle BR03, Revel Concerta2 M16, Dynaudio Emit M20, Buchardt S400, Triangle Comet ez, KEF R3
macgallant is offline  
post #18491 of 19938 Old 08-27-2019, 11:50 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
pase22's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Montreal,Canada
Posts: 7,956
Mentioned: 108 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3708 Post(s)
Liked: 3153
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilH930 View Post
A new KEF Q series owner and I've struggled to find any media console that can take the Q650c. Then along comes the 250c haha.

Anyway, two quick questions:

1) Any observations on receiver brand with KEF? Currently running a Denon 4500, but continue to receive recommendations to move to a Marantz (6014) as it is better for driving KEFs (clearer, less muddy sound than Denon). On paper they looked the same to me
2) This has become a bad habit, and I am already considering upgrading Q series to R series (Q750c to R7, Q650c to R2c, retain Q350 or 150 for surrounds). Is the improvement really that noticeable from those who have heard both, and what kind of quality receiver do you need to make them come to life? I find with the Q series they require quite a lot of volume to open up.
I was driving Q100's with a Denon X3400H. Sounded good and really like them. Upgraded to LS50's using the exact same AVR, but a big step up in sound quality. Denon X3000 and up, Marantz 6000 series and up feature audyssey XT32 so no advantage there. The Marantz may sound a little warmer, but you won't necessarily get better sound quality. Moving up to the next level R series will have a larger impact sound quality.

Kef LS50,Q200C, Q100, Kef Kube 10B (X2) , Denon AVR-X3400H, Panasonic 50" Plasma, Xbox One.
Bedroom: Kef Q100 ,JBL Loft 20, SVS SB-2000, Denon AVR-S710W, PS3, 32" Insigna LED.
pase22 is offline  
post #18492 of 19938 Old 08-27-2019, 12:00 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
pase22's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Montreal,Canada
Posts: 7,956
Mentioned: 108 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3708 Post(s)
Liked: 3153
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilH930 View Post
A new KEF Q series owner and I've struggled to find any media console that can take the Q650c. Then along comes the 250c haha.

Anyway, two quick questions:

1) Any observations on receiver brand with KEF? Currently running a Denon 4500, but continue to receive recommendations to move to a Marantz (6014) as it is better for driving KEFs (clearer, less muddy sound than Denon). On paper they looked the same to me
2) This has become a bad habit, and I am already considering upgrading Q series to R series (Q750c to R7, Q650c to R2c, retain Q350 or 150 for surrounds). Is the improvement really that noticeable from those who have heard both, and what kind of quality receiver do you need to make them come to life? I find with the Q series they require quite a lot of volume to open up.
Kef are low sensitivity power hungry speakers. The further up the chain you go, the more beneficial an external amp becomes. My LS50 really benefited from the addition of the NAD amp. NOTE: The speakers will run fine and sound pretty sweet with a good quality AVR on it's own. An amp just boosts them up.

Kef LS50,Q200C, Q100, Kef Kube 10B (X2) , Denon AVR-X3400H, Panasonic 50" Plasma, Xbox One.
Bedroom: Kef Q100 ,JBL Loft 20, SVS SB-2000, Denon AVR-S710W, PS3, 32" Insigna LED.
pase22 is offline  
post #18493 of 19938 Old 08-27-2019, 12:22 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
macgallant's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: NB, Canada
Posts: 1,440
Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 797 Post(s)
Liked: 513
Quote:
Originally Posted by KenM10759 View Post
Good catch on that! I didn't notice, you're correct.

That speaker should be a total failure in sales. Seriously, a simple 2-way with passive radiators for US $600? KEF is nucking futs.

As for 2-1/2-way speakers, KEF's Q series 2011 and 2017 are all 2-1/2-way speakers, AFAIK. One LF driver doing full range with the MF cone of the Uni-Q, and two ABR's. They sound great.
although i'm not a fan of the q250c in theory bass radiators should always double the surface area of the bass driver 2:1 ratio.

I love my Q650c but i wish it was a true 3-way with dual bass drivers with front ports

Speakers: KEF Q100, Q300, Q750, Q650C, Q50a / Fluance Signature Series/ DCM TP160S-CH Subwoofers: Outlaw Ultra X12 (x2) / BIC H100-IIReceiver: Denon AVR-X4500H, AVR-X1400H Integrated Amplifier: Yamaha A-S501/ Fosi Audio TPA3116 mini amp Extras: MiniDSP Umik-1 Amplifier: Emotiva BasX-A300 Next Speakers: Triangle BR03, Revel Concerta2 M16, Dynaudio Emit M20, Buchardt S400, Triangle Comet ez, KEF R3
macgallant is offline  
post #18494 of 19938 Old 08-27-2019, 12:52 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
stash64's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Packer country
Posts: 1,774
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 653 Post(s)
Liked: 245
Quote:
Originally Posted by KenM10759 View Post
Good catch on that! I didn't notice, you're correct.

That speaker should be a total failure in sales. Seriously, a simple 2-way with passive radiators for US $600? KEF is nucking futs.

As for 2-1/2-way speakers, KEF's Q series 2011 and 2017 are all 2-1/2-way speakers, AFAIK. One LF driver doing full range with the MF cone of the Uni-Q, and two ABR's. They sound great.

I wonder if the US/China trade dispute is in play here. It does seem over-priced.

Sean
stash64 is offline  
post #18495 of 19938 Old 08-27-2019, 01:07 PM
Newbie
 
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: California
Posts: 3
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Liked: 0
Long time lurker. I'm thinking of using 3 Q250c in an enclosed cabinet. Thoughts?
urelee is offline  
post #18496 of 19938 Old 08-27-2019, 01:09 PM
Newbie
 
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: California
Posts: 3
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Liked: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by stash64 View Post
I wonder if the US/China trade dispute is in play here. It does seem over-priced.
KEF is made in China. It must impact them. Tariffs are paid by consumers.
urelee is offline  
post #18497 of 19938 Old 08-27-2019, 02:13 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
KenM10759's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Central MA USA
Posts: 5,954
Mentioned: 32 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3594 Post(s)
Liked: 2034
Quote:
Originally Posted by urelee View Post
Long time lurker. I'm thinking of using 3 Q250c in an enclosed cabinet. Thoughts?
That would be an ideal application for them, being a sealed speaker. Bit pricey though, at the price they're showing. I sure hope they reconsider that!!

KEF R500, R200C, R100, R50, SVS SB2000 sub, NAD T758v3 AVR, LG UP875 4K BlueRay, Samsung UN55JU6500F 4K LED TV, KEF M500 headphones, Sony CDP-CE500 CD changer. Office: NAD M10, KEF LS50, KEF Kube 10b, E.A.T. C-Major TT w/Ortofon Quintet Blue cart.
KenM10759 is offline  
post #18498 of 19938 Old 08-27-2019, 02:25 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 1,536
Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1046 Post(s)
Liked: 336
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilH930 View Post
A new KEF Q series owner and I've struggled to find any media console that can take the Q650c. Then along comes the 250c haha.



Anyway, two quick questions:



1) Any observations on receiver brand with KEF? Currently running a Denon 4500, but continue to receive recommendations to move to a Marantz (6014) as it is better for driving KEFs (clearer, less muddy sound than Denon). On paper they looked the same to me

2) This has become a bad habit, and I am already considering upgrading Q series to R series (Q750c to R7, Q650c to R2c, retain Q350 or 150 for surrounds). Is the improvement really that noticeable from those who have heard both, and what kind of quality receiver do you need to make them come to life? I find with the Q series they require quite a lot of volume to open up.
Q to R series sound quality difference will be noticeable. But changing AVRs won't. Unless you change the room correction software in Anthem (ARC) or NAD (Dirac).

I run 3500 and use a Parasound high current amp for L and R. For me it is hard to tell the difference between 3500 and Parasound.
SouthernCA is offline  
post #18499 of 19938 Old 08-27-2019, 03:49 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Ryan Statz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Calgary, AB. Canada
Posts: 1,531
Mentioned: 18 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 911 Post(s)
Liked: 600
Quote:
Originally Posted by KenM10759 View Post
You have pretty good speakers in those Polk RTi A1's. The Q150 will impress in a different way. If you set them up right with the proper distance behind, next to, and between them as related to your listening position, you'll be rewarded with a soundstage that's more defined and seemingly smaller yet you can move around in and it has the depth and height to accommodate. They are capable of creating sound that seems to come from both behind and in front of them while separated from the boxes.

Very cool-looking speakers in that finish, even if it is just a high-quality laminate. Very classy!
Yeah, I liked the A1's so much that I decided to round out my HT set up with that entire line of speakers (I am expecting the pair of A3's I picked up to arrive tomorrow, and will be moving the A1's to surround duty).

I am actually very excited to get the Q150's - the one or two reviews I've read seem to put them in some fairly favourable light, and I know that they used the LS50's as the jumping off point for these - I'm not expecting the same quality of sound as the LS50's as the Q150's are 1/3 of the price, but I think they're the kind of speaker that punches above their weight class.

Now, if only I could get my hands on a pair of their Reference 1 Ultimate bookshelf speakers...
KenM10759 likes this.

Home Theatre: Marantz SR6014 | Polk Audio RTi A3 Front L/R | Polk Audio CSi A6 Centre | Polk Audio RTi A1 Surround L/R | HSU ULS-15 MK2 Subwoofer | Sony XBR55X900E | PlayStation 4 Pro | Xbox One S | Nintendo Switch

Music: Cambridge Audio AXR100 | Stanton T.62 | Cambridge Audio AXC35 | KEF Q150 L/R
Ryan Statz is offline  
post #18500 of 19938 Old 08-27-2019, 04:52 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
KenM10759's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Central MA USA
Posts: 5,954
Mentioned: 32 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3594 Post(s)
Liked: 2034
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan Statz View Post
Yeah, I liked the A1's so much that I decided to round out my HT set up with that entire line of speakers (I am expecting the pair of A3's I picked up to arrive tomorrow, and will be moving the A1's to surround duty).

I am actually very excited to get the Q150's - the one or two reviews I've read seem to put them in some fairly favourable light, and I know that they used the LS50's as the jumping off point for these - I'm not expecting the same quality of sound as the LS50's as the Q150's are 1/3 of the price, but I think they're the kind of speaker that punches above their weight class.

Now, if only I could get my hands on a pair of their Reference 1 Ultimate bookshelf speakers...
Actually, in the US the LS50's can be had for under $1k a pair in a number of places, so about 2x the cost of Q150's rather than 3x.

I noticed in your sig that you also have Klipsch R14's. I don't know if that's the older Klipsch Reference bookshelf speakers I'm thinking of or not but...

My cousin had those and the matching R24F & R25C for a time before I got him up to my favorite multi-line dealer to audition others. He has now switched over to PSB Imagine T, Imagine C, and Imagine S and I sold him the SVS SB1000 I had on hand after bumping up to SB2000. I'm not usually critical of speaker that others own, but I'll make an exception for the R14. Those were the tinniest, most ear-piercing, bass-less speakers I'd ever heard.

KEF R500, R200C, R100, R50, SVS SB2000 sub, NAD T758v3 AVR, LG UP875 4K BlueRay, Samsung UN55JU6500F 4K LED TV, KEF M500 headphones, Sony CDP-CE500 CD changer. Office: NAD M10, KEF LS50, KEF Kube 10b, E.A.T. C-Major TT w/Ortofon Quintet Blue cart.
KenM10759 is offline  
post #18501 of 19938 Old 08-27-2019, 07:24 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
aarons915's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Cincinnati, OH
Posts: 1,648
Mentioned: 27 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1149 Post(s)
Liked: 924
Quote:
Originally Posted by KenM10759 View Post
That would be an ideal application for them, being a sealed speaker. Bit pricey though, at the price they're showing. I sure hope they reconsider that!!
I agree but I'm sure they'll go on sale when the rest of the Q series does, at that point they might be a good buy.
aarons915 is offline  
post #18502 of 19938 Old 08-27-2019, 08:31 PM
Senior Member
 
PhilH930's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 249
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 65 Post(s)
Liked: 25
Thanks for all the feedback above - very helpful. Off to Vegas tomorrow so if all goes well I'll go straight to Reference and skip the R!
KenM10759 and SouthernCA like this.
PhilH930 is offline  
post #18503 of 19938 Old 08-27-2019, 10:41 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Ryan Statz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Calgary, AB. Canada
Posts: 1,531
Mentioned: 18 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 911 Post(s)
Liked: 600
Quote:
Originally Posted by KenM10759 View Post
Actually, in the US the LS50's can be had for under $1k a pair in a number of places, so about 2x the cost of Q150's rather than 3x.

I noticed in your sig that you also have Klipsch R14's. I don't know if that's the older Klipsch Reference bookshelf speakers I'm thinking of or not but...

My cousin had those and the matching R24F & R25C for a time before I got him up to my favorite multi-line dealer to audition others. He has now switched over to PSB Imagine T, Imagine C, and Imagine S and I sold him the SVS SB1000 I had on hand after bumping up to SB2000. I'm not usually critical of speaker that others own, but I'll make an exception for the R14. Those were the tinniest, most ear-piercing, bass-less speakers I'd ever heard.
A pair of KEF LS50's run about $1700 CAD. The Q150's run (at regular price) about $650/pair, so roughly 1/3 the price - I got them on sale for less than $400 CAD. If I was able to get the LS50's for less than 1K for a pair in Canada, I would have probably hopped onto that deal because I have heard nothing but excellent things about those speakers (though for that price, I would consider a pair of Monitor Audio Silver 100's, too).

Yeah, I *currently* have Klipsch R-14M's as my surrounds - I got them as surrounds because they're "bright" (and cheap because they are old model) and I have seen a handful of times that having brighter speakers as your surrounds is the way to go. They work great as surrounds because you don't need them to have any real amount of bass, I wouldn't consider them for mains at all. My surrounds will become the RTi A1's I have as my front LR's because the RTi A3's I bought arrive tomorrow (I couldn't be more excited about that, actually). I'll probably give the Klipsch R-14Ms away to my parents so they can use them for their HT.

Home Theatre: Marantz SR6014 | Polk Audio RTi A3 Front L/R | Polk Audio CSi A6 Centre | Polk Audio RTi A1 Surround L/R | HSU ULS-15 MK2 Subwoofer | Sony XBR55X900E | PlayStation 4 Pro | Xbox One S | Nintendo Switch

Music: Cambridge Audio AXR100 | Stanton T.62 | Cambridge Audio AXC35 | KEF Q150 L/R
Ryan Statz is offline  
post #18504 of 19938 Old 08-28-2019, 06:20 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
macgallant's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: NB, Canada
Posts: 1,440
Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 797 Post(s)
Liked: 513
Quote:
Originally Posted by SouthernCA View Post
Q to R series sound quality difference will be noticeable. But changing AVRs won't. Unless you change the room correction software in Anthem (ARC) or NAD (Dirac).

I run 3500 and use a Parasound high current amp for L and R. For me it is hard to tell the difference between 3500 and Parasound.
Depending on the amplifier it may or may not make a difference for music but it will certainly help in movies with big dynamic peaks. I saw a massive difference going from the X1400h to x4500h (with audyssey OFF) and i'll report back once i add a Basx A-300 in the next month.


The fact that his Q750/Q650c is sounding muddy I highly suspect placement issues, bad audyssey calibration or his room needs a little treatment. We all know placement has a huge impact on sound and is often
overlooked/ignored or sacrificed for WAF. I probably have one the most difficult room to setup and it took me 1+ years to tame the peaks/nulls and even then i'm still adjusting things in the room 10 years later :S.

Obviously R series or Reference would sound better but i think there are few things he should try first.

*His previous speakers are B & W which are incredibly bright speakers and maybe he's not used to the neutral sound of the Q750/Q650c.

Speakers: KEF Q100, Q300, Q750, Q650C, Q50a / Fluance Signature Series/ DCM TP160S-CH Subwoofers: Outlaw Ultra X12 (x2) / BIC H100-IIReceiver: Denon AVR-X4500H, AVR-X1400H Integrated Amplifier: Yamaha A-S501/ Fosi Audio TPA3116 mini amp Extras: MiniDSP Umik-1 Amplifier: Emotiva BasX-A300 Next Speakers: Triangle BR03, Revel Concerta2 M16, Dynaudio Emit M20, Buchardt S400, Triangle Comet ez, KEF R3
macgallant is offline  
post #18505 of 19938 Old 08-28-2019, 06:21 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
dftkell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,007
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 117 Post(s)
Liked: 87
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilH930 View Post
A new KEF Q series owner and I've struggled to find any media console that can take the Q650c. Then along comes the 250c haha.

Anyway, two quick questions:

1) Any observations on receiver brand with KEF? Currently running a Denon 4500, but continue to receive recommendations to move to a Marantz (6014) as it is better for driving KEFs (clearer, less muddy sound than Denon). On paper they looked the same to me
2) This has become a bad habit, and I am already considering upgrading Q series to R series (Q750c to R7, Q650c to R2c, retain Q350 or 150 for surrounds). Is the improvement really that noticeable from those who have heard both, and what kind of quality receiver do you need to make them come to life? I find with the Q series they require quite a lot of volume to open up.
If you already own the 650C, this is the only media console I've seen that it would fit inside. I think it's really nice looking. But it is long, so you need the space.

https://www.bludot.com/dang-long-and-low.html

As for receiver brands with you Q-series, my opinion is that it doesn't make any difference in sound. Just buy the receiver that has the features you want. I went with Denon because I really like the Audyssey app that allows the user to cut off room correction below whatever frequency they want. (I only use it below 300hz.)

I would highly recommend, spending time getting your current Q's properly set up and calibrated before making any decisions to upgrade. You can always do that down the road. The Q's are really good speakers. And if you are going to put more money into your system, multiple subwoofers, properly placed and measured, should be the next step. (unless you've already done that.)
dftkell is offline  
post #18506 of 19938 Old 08-28-2019, 07:11 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
jima4a's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Southeast USA
Posts: 2,237
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 477 Post(s)
Liked: 238
Quote:
Originally Posted by macgallant View Post
Depending on the amplifier it may or may not make a difference for music but it will certainly help in movies with big dynamic peaks. I saw a massive difference going from the X1400h to x4500h (with audyssey OFF) and i'll report back once i add a Basx A-300 in the next month.





The fact that his Q750/Q650c is sounding muddy I highly suspect placement issues, bad audyssey calibration or his room needs a little treatment. We all know placement has a huge impact on sound and is often

overlooked/ignored or sacrificed for WAF. I probably have one the most difficult room to setup and it took me 1+ years to tame the peaks/nulls and even then i'm still adjusting things in the room 10 years later :S.



Obviously R series or Reference would sound better but i think there are few things he should try first.



*His previous speakers are B & W which are incredibly bright speakers and maybe he's not used to the neutral sound of the Q750/Q650c.


I will be interested in your take on the Emotiva BasX A-300. I know I have stated this before but I once tried a budget pair of mono-blocks (UPA-1) from them and found it was a step down from just using just my Onkyo AVR alone in two channel. That was when XQ40s were my mains. It took a lot of back and forth to confirm as the differences were very subtle. I had expectation bias that it should have been an improvement but gnawed at me which made me spend about a week or so trying to confirm if it really did.
Remind me what speakers and AVR you have to go with the A-300s.
FWIW I have a Sherborn PA 5-200 that is essentially an XPA-5 gen 1. I only used it for center and surrounds and found it decent.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Main Kef: Reference 205/2 & 202/2c, Surrounds: Kef XQ40, Velodyne Optimum 12, Integra DHC 80.3, Ayre K-5xeMP, Oppo BDP-103, Parasound Halo A31, ATI AT528nc. Second B&W: 685 (3), CCM618, Def Tech Powerfield 1500, Onkyo TX-NR1008, Zone 2 Klipsch AW650.
jima4a is offline  
post #18507 of 19938 Old 08-28-2019, 07:19 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 1,536
Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1046 Post(s)
Liked: 336
Quote:
Originally Posted by dftkell View Post
If you already own the 650C, this is the only media console I've seen that it would fit inside. I think it's really nice looking. But it is long, so you need the space.



https://www.bludot.com/dang-long-and-low.html



As for receiver brands with you Q-series, my opinion is that it doesn't make any difference in sound. Just buy the receiver that has the features you want. I went with Denon because I really like the Audyssey app that allows the user to cut off room correction below whatever frequency they want. (I only use it below 300hz.)



I would highly recommend, spending time getting your current Q's properly set up and calibrated before making any decisions to upgrade. You can always do that down the road. The Q's are really good speakers. And if you are going to put more money into your system, multiple subwoofers, properly placed and measured, should be the next step. (unless you've already done that.)
Agree completely.
SouthernCA is offline  
post #18508 of 19938 Old 08-28-2019, 07:31 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
macgallant's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: NB, Canada
Posts: 1,440
Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 797 Post(s)
Liked: 513
Quote:
Originally Posted by jima4a View Post
I will be interested in your take on the Emotiva BasX A-300. I know I have stated this before but I once tried a budget pair of mono-blocks (UPA-1) from them and found it was a step down from just using just my Onkyo AVR alone in two channel. That was when XQ40s were my mains. It took a lot of back and forth to confirm as the differences were very subtle. I had expectation bias that it should have been an improvement but gnawed at me which made me spend about a week or so trying to confirm if it really did.
Remind me what speakers and AVR you have to go with the A-300s.
FWIW I have a Sherborn PA 5-200 that is essentially an XPA-5 gen 1. I only used it for center and surrounds and found it decent.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I'm not expecting a huge difference in stereo if any at all but i know i'll benefit for movies with big dynamic peaks since i like to listen near reference volumes.
Also my Rear surrounds are Fluance signature series bookshelf @ 85dB and I plan on adding the new Emotiva A1's that where just released and they're also 85dB.


i have been debating going with the A-300 or a crown xls 1502 but the big con with the crown amplifier is the hard cut off filter at 24khz and the Q750 have been measured with a response up to 40-50khz timestamp:

Speakers: KEF Q100, Q300, Q750, Q650C, Q50a / Fluance Signature Series/ DCM TP160S-CH Subwoofers: Outlaw Ultra X12 (x2) / BIC H100-IIReceiver: Denon AVR-X4500H, AVR-X1400H Integrated Amplifier: Yamaha A-S501/ Fosi Audio TPA3116 mini amp Extras: MiniDSP Umik-1 Amplifier: Emotiva BasX-A300 Next Speakers: Triangle BR03, Revel Concerta2 M16, Dynaudio Emit M20, Buchardt S400, Triangle Comet ez, KEF R3
macgallant is offline  
post #18509 of 19938 Old 08-28-2019, 10:23 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
pase22's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Montreal,Canada
Posts: 7,956
Mentioned: 108 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3708 Post(s)
Liked: 3153
Quote:
Originally Posted by stash64 View Post
I wonder if the US/China trade dispute is in play here. It does seem over-priced.
Going for $799 in Canada! A little steep considering a pair of Q150's can be had for $398 and Q650 is still available for $598.

Kef LS50,Q200C, Q100, Kef Kube 10B (X2) , Denon AVR-X3400H, Panasonic 50" Plasma, Xbox One.
Bedroom: Kef Q100 ,JBL Loft 20, SVS SB-2000, Denon AVR-S710W, PS3, 32" Insigna LED.
pase22 is offline  
post #18510 of 19938 Old 08-28-2019, 10:34 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
pase22's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Montreal,Canada
Posts: 7,956
Mentioned: 108 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3708 Post(s)
Liked: 3153
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan Statz View Post
A pair of KEF LS50's run about $1700 CAD. The Q150's run (at regular price) about $650/pair, so roughly 1/3 the price - I got them on sale for less than $400 CAD. If I was able to get the LS50's for less than 1K for a pair in Canada, I would have probably hopped onto that deal because I have heard nothing but excellent things about those speakers (though for that price, I would consider a pair of Monitor Audio Silver 100's, too).

Yeah, I *currently* have Klipsch R-14M's as my surrounds - I got them as surrounds because they're "bright" (and cheap because they are old model) and I have seen a handful of times that having brighter speakers as your surrounds is the way to go. They work great as surrounds because you don't need them to have any real amount of bass, I wouldn't consider them for mains at all. My surrounds will become the RTi A1's I have as my front LR's because the RTi A3's I bought arrive tomorrow (I couldn't be more excited about that, actually). I'll probably give the Klipsch R-14Ms away to my parents so they can use them for their HT.
Not sure where you've been shopping, but LS50 are $998(CDN) which is what I paid for mine. They've actually been below $1000 for a little while.
https://www.2001audiovideo.com/en/ca...206-KEF-LS50-B
https://www.visions.ca/product-detai...&sku=LS50WHITE
Lp85253 likes this.

Kef LS50,Q200C, Q100, Kef Kube 10B (X2) , Denon AVR-X3400H, Panasonic 50" Plasma, Xbox One.
Bedroom: Kef Q100 ,JBL Loft 20, SVS SB-2000, Denon AVR-S710W, PS3, 32" Insigna LED.
pase22 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply Speakers

Tags
Kef , Kef Audio , kef blade 2 , Kef Bookshelf Speaker , Kef C4 Subwoofer Black , Kef Center Channel Speaker , Kef Ls50 2 Way Speaker System , Kef Q100bl Bookshelf Speaker , Kef Q700wa Floorstanding Speaker , kef r series , kef reference 3 , Kef T Series Floor Stand Pair

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off