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Very interesting... it's about the same size as my SB2000 but with dual smaller drivers and double the power.

Wonder what the performance will be like.

11Hz -3dB point?!! Big if true.
Anyone's guess, but probably at least in the 16hz range wouldn't be a stretch. They've learned so much with the LS50 Wireless, in the new Kube series subs, that I've changed my opinion about KEF being in the sub business. I once thought they should quit because every independent maker beat them handily for less money. The new Kube series surprised me BIGTIME.

If I was to venture a guess, I'd guess it'll list for somewhere north of US$1800. Starting the fund now!

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Perhaps some of that, some of the R400b, some of the Reference 8b, and some electronics from the Kube series. My only criticism of late-model KEF subs is the crappy (tiny) interface plug for speaker-level inputs.

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Any KEF Dealer contacts looking to add KEF Speakers to my set ups Thanks

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Made the swap today, bringing home 2 R7s and 1 R2C (in place of Q750s and Q650). The more time I spent with the Q series the more I loved them, and do not have a bad word to say about them. The R7s and R2C are so damn good though, and this is out the box, low volume, calibrated. Probably terrible description, but the sound is so balanced and full, rich and warm, yet detailed and crisp. I spend more time looking at the speakers than watching the tv!

For those who read on the earlier page, I decided to go with 2 Cube 12bs over the 10bs (can always dial it back). To be fair not sure I'll need much bass at all as the R7s are superb, and the 3 way design with bass ports makes a nice difference.

Thank you KEF - just a damn good product.
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Made the swap today, bringing home 2 R7s and 1 R2C (in place of Q750s and Q650). The more time I spent with the Q series the more I loved them, and do not have a bad word to say about them. The R7s and R2C are so damn good though, and this is out the box, low volume, calibrated. Probably terrible description, but the sound is so balanced and full, rich and warm, yet detailed and crisp. I spend more time looking at the speakers than watching the tv!

For those who read on the earlier page, I decided to go with 2 Cube 12bs over the 10bs (can always dial it back). To be fair not sure I'll need much bass at all as the R7s are superb, and the 3 way design with bass ports makes a nice difference.

Thank you KEF - just a damn good product.
Fantastic, I auditioned the R7's about a month ago and ended up ordering a pair along with the R2c.
I took delivery of the floor-standers a couple of weeks ago, but still waiting for the center. Amazing speaker so far, replaced a fifteen year old Dynaudio Contour set-up.

What's your choice of finish? I ended up with the white gloss and haven't had second thoughts, just so crisp and pristine!
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Made the swap today, bringing home 2 R7s and 1 R2C (in place of Q750s and Q650). The more time I spent with the Q series the more I loved them, and do not have a bad word to say about them. The R7s and R2C are so damn good though, and this is out the box, low volume, calibrated. Probably terrible description, but the sound is so balanced and full, rich and warm, yet detailed and crisp. I spend more time looking at the speakers than watching the tv!

For those who read on the earlier page, I decided to go with 2 Cube 12bs over the 10bs (can always dial it back). To be fair not sure I'll need much bass at all as the R7s are superb, and the 3 way design with bass ports makes a nice difference.

Thank you KEF - just a damn good product.
Congratulations! Nice choice of speakers. In the previous R series I felt strongly that the R500 was the best sound quality of the 3 sizes of floorstanding speaker. With the R series 2018+ it's the R7 for me that does it. Like LS50's, the distortion level of those speakers is SO low that the better a front end of pre-amp signal and amplification you give them, the better they sound.

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Looks like something out of the Paradigm playbook. It does look nice and is likely to be a nice upgrade from the R400.

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I want to be able too switch between a sold state and tube amp occasionally to drive my Ref 1s , and having no banana plugs to try, I checked the KEF manual. It was no help. But it reminded me of what a crappy thing the KEF Reference series manual is for fairly expensive speakers. It tries to cover multiple products in multiple languages and fails at all. Can't KEF afford to hire someone to do a competent manual for each of their products? They could for my 107/2s. The 107/2 manual is detailed and discusses various issues with the technology, e.g., the KUBE equalizer, at length. The KEF manual seems aimed at customers who can't read and need to rely on drawings.
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I want to be able too switch between a sold state and tube amp occasionally to drive my Ref 1s , and having no banana plugs to try, I checked the KEF manual. It was no help. But it reminded me of what a crappy thing the KEF Reference series manual is for fairly expensive speakers. It tries to cover multiple products in multiple languages and fails at all. Can't KEF afford to hire someone to do a competent manual for each of their products? They could for my 107/2s. The 107/2 manual is detailed and discusses various issues with the technology, e.g., the KUBE equalizer, at length. The KEF manual seems aimed at customers who can't read and need to rely on drawings.
I agree, the cost-cutting of documentation for the speakers and other products is appalling. Useless to those with any degree of technical knowledge beyond opening a can of vegetables. Oh wait, they dumbed that down to no longer needing a can opener. They just want the factory workers to worry about ONE folded piece of glassy stock to cover all the markets to which they ship.

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Fantastic, I auditioned the R7's about a month ago and ended up ordering a pair along with the R2c.
I took delivery of the floor-standers a couple of weeks ago, but still waiting for the center. Amazing speaker so far, replaced a fifteen year old Dynaudio Contour set-up.

What's your choice of finish? I ended up with the white gloss and haven't had second thoughts, just so crisp and pristine!
You're going to love the R2C also. So refined.

I ended up with gloss black. The white is stunning and probably my favorite, but in the room I have them set up black is better balanced.
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Congratulations! Nice choice of speakers. In the previous R series I felt strongly that the R500 was the best sound quality of the 3 sizes of floorstanding speaker. With the R series 2018+ it's the R7 for me that does it. Like LS50's, the distortion level of those speakers is SO low that the better a front end of pre-amp signal and amplification you give them, the better they sound.
Thanks! They are simply superb. Today I hooked up 4 Atmos speakers (KEF Ci160s) and am also impressed, although need to run some calibration. Setup is now 5.1.4 (second sub on order).

I haven't had a chance to crank it due to time and how long it took to install the ceiling speakers in a 95 degree attic, but will do tomorrow. My thoughts have already turned to a separate amp for the R7s and possibly the R2C, letting the surrounds and Atmos run off the Marantz 7013 I have. Any thoughts or suggestions on this?
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Thanks! They are simply superb. Today I hooked up 4 Atmos speakers (KEF Ci160s) and am also impressed, although need to run some calibration. Setup is now 5.1.4 (second sub on order).

I haven't had a chance to crank it due to time and how long it took to install the ceiling speakers in a 95 degree attic, but will do tomorrow. My thoughts have already turned to a separate amp for the R7s and possibly the R2C, letting the surrounds and Atmos run off the Marantz 7013 I have. Any thoughts or suggestions on this?
Only if you're running at THX reference levels for extended periods and the SR7013 is getting hot would you truly need more power than what that the receiver gives you. There are myriad options for multi-channel amps and know that ATI, a US-based amplifier company, makes a good number of them for other companies as well as under their own name.

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I just sold my MK sound speakers. I had them only a few months and could not really get used to the sound coming from B&W.

I'm now looking at KEF speakers, maybe again B&W not really sure yet.
If I would choose to go KEF wich one would be the better speaker? KEF reference 1 or the new R11. I know I'm compairing a bookshelf with a floorstand speaker but the price of a used REF1 is the same as a new R11. This will be a multi channel set up with subwoofers.

Wich one would you choose?
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I just sold my MK sound speakers. I had them only a few months and could not really get used to the sound coming from B&W.

I'm now looking at KEF speakers, maybe again B&W not really sure yet.
If I would choose to go KEF wich one would be the better speaker? KEF reference 1 or the new R11. I know I'm compairing a bookshelf with a floorstand speaker but the price of a used REF1 is the same as a new R11. This will be a multi channel set up with subwoofers.

Wich one would you choose?
I would choose R11 simply because there are good speakers to mate with them for home theater applications. While the Reference 1 do have the matching Reference 2c, it's not commonly found on the used market and would be very costly. If for multi-channel music and you wanted the highest possible sound quality, there's no substitute for the Reference series though I feel the new R series is probably 85-90% there, perhaps more. With the right amps, they blow my mind. I heard the R11 on higher-end Naim gear and WOW.

Is there anywhere near you that you can audition these? My dealer affords in-home demos, which is clearly the best way.

https://us.kef.com/dealerlocator/

I see now that you're in Belgium, so that dealer locator won't work. There may be one for Europe as well.

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I would choose R11 simply because there are good speakers to mate with them for home theater applications. While the Reference 1 do have the matching Reference 2c, it's not commonly found on the used market and would be very costly. If for multi-channel music and you wanted the highest possible sound quality, there's no substitute for the Reference series though I feel the new R series is probably 85-90% there, perhaps more. With the right amps, they blow my mind. I heard the R11 on higher-end Naim gear and WOW.

Is there anywhere near you that you can audition these? My dealer affords in-home demos, which is clearly the best way.

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If you could run any integrated amp with R series what you choose?

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If you could run any integrated amp with R series what you choose?
That's a question which will get a highly subjective answer, so here goes:

Gryphon Diablo or D'Agostino Momento

OK, so that's really over the top, so Naim Nait XS3. Still too pricey, Naim Uniti Star.

That was also too much for me, so I LOVE my NAD Masters M10.

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Do you toe-in Uni-O drivers? What's your preference? I've not been using toe-in with either my Ref 1s or LS50s, but recently tried toe-in aimed at crossing just behind primary listening position for the Ref 1s. I think I may prefer no toe-in, but I'm not sure. Spikes into the carpet make it difficult to switch back and forth.
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I would choose R11 simply because there are good speakers to mate with them for home theater applications. While the Reference 1 do have the matching Reference 2c, it's not commonly found on the used market and would be very costly. If for multi-channel music and you wanted the highest possible sound quality, there's no substitute for the Reference series though I feel the new R series is probably 85-90% there, perhaps more. With the right amps, they blow my mind. I heard the R11 on higher-end Naim gear and WOW.

Is there anywhere near you that you can audition these? My dealer affords in-home demos, which is clearly the best way.

https://us.kef.com/dealerlocator/

I see now that you're in Belgium, so that dealer locator won't work. There may be one for Europe as well.
Thanks for the reply!

I would like to put the center speaker behind the screen so was thinking of the CI5160 THX. I think the Uni-Q driver in the R11 is 'updated' or not? So would that be still a good option to put the 5160 behind the screen?

I'm leaning more towards the REF1 as it will give still better SQ? The only thing is that the 5160REF-THX is like 8000€. Quite expensive for a center speaker, no?
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The usual recommendation is "no" and that the UniQ performance actually shines off-axis, but it of course depends upon a lot of factors. How far apart are the speakers relative to the listening distance? How far from the front and side (and even back) walls? Carpet? Drapes? Furniture? Etc., etc., etc..

Ultimately it would come down to your own personal preference. So, experiment. And experiment some more. If you have some freedom to move the speakers a little in or out from the front wall, or left or right, do that, too. (Except for your issue with the spikes) it is fairly easy to try different arrangements.

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How far apart are the speakers relative to the listening distance? How far from the front and side (and even back) walls? Carpet? Drapes? Furniture? Etc., etc., etc.
The speakers are 6' apart center-to-center; front of each speaker is 3' 6" from rear and side wall. Room is carpeted as is wall behind speakers. Bookcases and posters line the walls. Two large leather recliners are about 7' from front of speakers. 15" subs will sit just inboard of each speaker, 10" subs a bit outboard.
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I just sold my MK sound speakers. I had them only a few months and could not really get used to the sound coming from B&W.

I'm now looking at KEF speakers, maybe again B&W not really sure yet.
If I would choose to go KEF wich one would be the better speaker? KEF reference 1 or the new R11. I know I'm compairing a bookshelf with a floorstand speaker but the price of a used REF1 is the same as a new R11. This will be a multi channel set up with subwoofers.

Wich one would you choose?
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The speakers are 6' apart center-to-center; front of each speaker is 3' 6" from rear and side wall. Room is carpeted as is wall behind speakers. Bookcases and posters line the walls. Two large leather recliners are about 7' from front of speakers. 15" subs will sit just inboard of each speaker, 10" subs a bit outboard.


Well, I was really asking those questions rhetorically to illustrate only a few of the many, many variables that would or could influence or affect the speakers' sound in conjunction with and non-independent of the speakers' toe-in. You have to determine for yourself whether you think you benefit from a toe-in (and how much of a toe-in) in your particular room with your particular setup.

HERE is a fairly decent article regarding speaker toe-in.

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Well, I was really asking those questions rhetorically to illustrate only a few of the many, many variables that would or could influence or affect the speakers' sound in conjunction with and non-independent of the speakers' toe-in.
Your questions were useful in that they prompted me to make the measurements and consider the arrangement. I'm pretty sure I'm going to return to no toe-in.
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No toe in would seem to make sense at only 6 ft apart. My R7's are about 8 ft apart and I have just a slight toe in, and I played around quite a bit starting with almost full toe in. I sit about 8 feet from the front speakers. Toe'ing out produced better soundstage and imaging with the only drawback being slightly lower measured output. S&V did a review of the new R-series recently and it ticked me off that they reviewed based on full toe in for the main front speakers. Not sure they even experimented.
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I got a call from a KEF tech this morning as a followup to a question about using banana plugs with the Ref 1s. I asked about toe-in for Uni-Q speakers. His reply was that a lot of design has gone into the dispersion pattern of the Uni-Q, and recommended no toe-in. I was impressed by the followup and the apparent knowledge of the tech.
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Well, you can't beat toe-in guidance direct from KEF. I re-positioned my R7s this weekend to no toe-in and have not noticed any significant change (vs. slight toe-in).

So, these speakers are a bad habit. The R7s and R2Cs continue to amaze me. My surrounds (Q150s on KEF performance stands) aren't quite delivering, due to multiple reasons. First my 3 seat reclining sofa is almost on the back wall. I sit in the left side recliner, approx 3 feet from the surround left. I'm finding the sound too dominant in my left ear and looking for suggestions to lesson this impact. My thoughts include:

- XT32 calibration is complete; I may continue to tone down the volume level for surround channels
- Change the Q150's to either either wall mounted T101s or Ci160.2s (which match my round atmos ceiling speakers). While a small difference, I think this would push driver back ~12". Can anyone speak to either of those as surrounds speakers?

Note Q150 bass ports are plugged with the single larger foam plug, which is a nice balance. Its just too loud based on a less than desirable seating position. In fact, while watching football last week we had a terrible mix from ESPN/DirecTV that pushed audio out of every speaker (only on that channel that one time) - I wanted to turn over my left shoulder and tell the commentator to pipe down.
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Well, you can't beat toe-in guidance direct from KEF. I re-positioned my R7s this weekend to no toe-in and have not noticed any significant change (vs. slight toe-in).

So, these speakers are a bad habit. The R7s and R2Cs continue to amaze me. My surrounds (Q150s on KEF performance stands) aren't quite delivering, due to multiple reasons. First my 3 seat reclining sofa is almost on the back wall. I sit in the left side recliner, approx 3 feet from the surround left. I'm finding the sound too dominant in my left ear and looking for suggestions to lesson this impact. My thoughts include:

- XT32 calibration is complete; I may continue to tone down the volume level for surround channels
- Change the Q150's to either either wall mounted T101s or Ci160.2s (which match my round atmos ceiling speakers). While a small difference, I think this would push driver back ~12". Can anyone speak to either of those as surrounds speakers?

Note Q150 bass ports are plugged with the single larger foam plug, which is a nice balance. Its just too loud based on a less than desirable seating position. In fact, while watching football last week we had a terrible mix from ESPN/DirecTV that pushed audio out of every speaker (only on that channel that one time) - I wanted to turn over my left shoulder and tell the commentator to pipe down.
The way I see it, you have three options:
  1. Turn down that speaker level
  2. Calibrate XT32 for that location
  3. Kick whoever is there out of the middle seat
I would go with option 3, lol!

The real problem is your location.

I don't think changing to wall speakers would make all that much difference because XT32 would just turn them up to compensate.

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Well, you can't beat toe-in guidance direct from KEF. I re-positioned my R7s this weekend to no toe-in and have not noticed any significant change (vs. slight toe-in).

So, these speakers are a bad habit. The R7s and R2Cs continue to amaze me. My surrounds (Q150s on KEF performance stands) aren't quite delivering, due to multiple reasons. First my 3 seat reclining sofa is almost on the back wall. I sit in the left side recliner, approx 3 feet from the surround left. I'm finding the sound too dominant in my left ear and looking for suggestions to lesson this impact. My thoughts include:

- XT32 calibration is complete; I may continue to tone down the volume level for surround channels
- Change the Q150's to either either wall mounted T101s or Ci160.2s (which match my round atmos ceiling speakers). While a small difference, I think this would push driver back ~12". Can anyone speak to either of those as surrounds speakers?

Note Q150 bass ports are plugged with the single larger foam plug, which is a nice balance. Its just too loud based on a less than desirable seating position. In fact, while watching football last week we had a terrible mix from ESPN/DirecTV that pushed audio out of every speaker (only on that channel that one time) - I wanted to turn over my left shoulder and tell the commentator to pipe down.
It does seem you could dial-down the volume on the surrounds and that should help. Sometimes just moving them further away helps more, but in many cases there's a wall preventing that. That's where in-wall speakers help, and they can be very good.

My receiver now has a 3rd-party app that even after Dirac calibration I can grab my phone and adjust volume on any speaker. Pretty cool.

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Hello,

I own KEF LS50Wireless speakers. I enjoy its sound. I have basic query. Need advise from members.

At present my setup for listening to music is Cowon Plenue 2 to KEF LS50 W directly connected by 3.5 mm to two rca cable. Do I need to have any amplifier or DAC in between it? (if yes..then which one is best? ).
I understand that LS50W has inbuilt Digital sound processor so it don't need any amplifier as it is again going to convert digital to analog one.

Please guide. Thanks in advance.
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