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Hi everyone, I'm looking for some advice in regards to in-ceiling speakers for my HT.
I'm currently using some Q100's for front heights, and am looking at doing over heads instead in a .4 configuration.
Wanting to stay with KEF I've been looking at the Ci160QR's, however, my local AV shop has the Ci160ER's (a pair) on sale for half the the cost of a single QR.

Should I just pull the trigger on the ER's, or is the added cost of the Q's justifiable?

Thanks in advance.
You could and I don't think there would be a huge difference other than detail and total dynamic range. It would be minor as only minimal signal strength goes to them.

Myself, I've been lucky enough over the past couple of years to find deals on Ci200QR's on my local Craigslist twice now. First was 4 of them for $400, then a pair of them for $130 (in US dollars.) While I did end up selling off the set of 4 because my daughter-in-law disallowed cuts in their ceiling of the room where the 7.1 is located, at least she's letting him have free reign in his woodworking shop. The two are going there, probably as in-wall.
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Hi everyone, I'm looking for some advice in regards to in-ceiling speakers for my HT.
I'm currently using some Q100's for front heights, and am looking at doing over heads instead in a .4 configuration.
Wanting to stay with KEF I've been looking at the Ci160QR's, however, my local AV shop has the Ci160ER's (a pair) on sale for half the the cost of a single QR.

Should I just pull the trigger on the ER's, or is the added cost of the Q's justifiable?

Thanks in advance.
You could and I don't think there would be a huge difference other than detail and total dynamic range. It would be minor as only minimal signal strength goes to them.

Myself, I've been lucky enough over the past couple of years to find deals on Ci200QR's on my local Craigslist twice now. First was 4 of them for $400, then a pair of them for $130 (in US dollars.) While I did end up selling off the set of 4 because my daughter-in-law disallowed cuts in their ceiling of the room where the 7.1 is located, at least she's letting him have free reign in his woodworking shop. The two are going there, probably as in-wall.
Nice, sweet deals you've scored there!

I will order the ER's as it sounds like for my application it wouldn't be that big of a deal. I also can't deny the cost savings, and the ability to do the whole lot for one single Q locally.

If I were using them for primary listening I would spend the extra money.

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What kind of improvement would I be looking at moving from HSU's HB-1 bookshelves to something like KEF LSX or LS50Ws with a Rythmik L12?

50/50 music and HT with room size roughly 18x14.
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will the nad t758 v3 be able to run the kef r3 no problem? Max Volume level would be 0db never over.

Kef r3 rated at 180w max but the nad 758 is max 110w.
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will the nad t758 v3 be able to run the kef r3 no problem? Max Volume level would be 0db never over.

Kef r3 rated at 180w max but the nad 758 is max 110w.
Depends how far from them you sit. The T758v3 has a good bit of dynamic power too. I only got into the protection mode with my R500's once, and it was a somewhat prolonged session at +5 to +10dB, where one shouldn't ever run anyhow. It was WAY too loud to listen to in front of them, I was in another room. I don't ever do that now, I put a good system in my office.

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What kind of improvement would I be looking at moving from HSU's HB-1 bookshelves to something like KEF LSX or LS50Ws with a Rythmik L12?

50/50 music and HT with room size roughly 18x14.
Only your ears could tell. Go out and find a dealer where you could hear them or even take a pair home for auditioning. As always, sub is a must have, be it for music or HT.

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What kind of improvement would I be looking at moving from HSU's HB-1 bookshelves to something like KEF LSX or LS50Ws with a Rythmik L12?

50/50 music and HT with room size roughly 18x14.
I know LS50's will have excellent detail and clarity that will be more apparent with music. I'd go LS50 passive with a good integrated amp or power amp. Rhythmic subs are praised for their excellent musical performance so should make for some very nice listening sessions.
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will the nad t758 v3 be able to run the kef r3 no problem? Max Volume level would be 0db never over.

Kef r3 rated at 180w max but the nad 758 is max 110w.
that NAD also has:

IHF Dynamic Power

8 Ohms 137W
4 Ohms 243W

Plenty of power!

KEF's frequently dip into the 3-4 ohm range and that NAD has plenty of power on reserve for those occasions.

Whether or not you like the sound signature is subjective though.

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[QUOTE As always, sub is a must have, be it for music or HT.[/QUOTE]

Well, it depends on the room and amp. No need for sub in my room with the LS50
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will the nad t758 v3 be able to run the kef r3 no problem? Max Volume level would be 0db never over.

Kef r3 rated at 180w max but the nad 758 is max 110w.

It runs my R300's perfectly fine, and that's in a 5.1.2 setup. You'll have tons of good clean power if you're just talking about 2 channel.

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[QUOTE As always, sub is a must have, be it for music or HT.


Well, it depends on the room and amp. No need for sub in my room with the LS50[/QUOTE]How small is the room? I tried for almost 4 months, but my LS50 absolutely needed a sub. So would love to learn how you have been able to achieve that.

Without a sub, even a cheap jbl 305 speaker could beat my LS50 in a blind testing for me and my many friends.

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Well, it depends on the room and amp. No need for sub in my room with the LS50
How small is the room? I tried for almost 4 months, but my LS50 absolutely needed a sub. So would love to learn how you have been able to achieve that.

My room is about 20 kvm. The speakers is about 1 meter from the sidewall and 60cm to the backwall

Without a sub, even a cheap jbl 305 speaker could beat my LS50 in a blind testing for me and my many friends.

Ofcourse for HT use a sub us preferred, but not always for music. I have tryed 2 different subs, but was not happy with the result(maybe user error).

I use a cheap Sony STR 1080 in my HT, with the KEf "eggs" 3005 and the little Kef sub, and ofcourse the bass from the little kefs is with sub is fuller than the LS50 without sub.

What amp do you use for the LS50?

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So I bought a pair of kef xq3s and I can find a coupme things about them but next to no reviews or opinions has anyone had these
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I have XQ1s and use them everyday. I also had XQ5s and the matching XQ2c center at one time.

Most certainly XQ3s are the most rare of that XQ series. I have never seen/heard a pair. I bet they sound pretty good, though.

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I guess I curious why they are so rare .. I bought them at auction my first thought was hey got these cheap can sell make a bit money . I set them up as my surrounds and was blown away how great they sound . I would think a speaker that sounded great and being kef would have alot more info reviews etc but havnt found one person yet who ever owned a pair . My guess is maybe they were to expensive or there was a design flaw or something. But at 190 canadian I dont think I could ever replace them so I thinking there my best surrounds lol . Where they considered top line when they came out
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I guess I curious why they are so rare .. I bought them at auction my first thought was hey got these cheap can sell make a bit money . I set them up as my surrounds and was blown away how great they sound . I would think a speaker that sounded great and being kef would have alot more info reviews etc but havnt found one person yet who ever owned a pair . My guess is maybe they were to expensive or there was a design flaw or something. But at 190 canadian I dont think I could ever replace them so I thinking there my best surrounds lol . Where they considered top line when they came out

https://us.kef.com/explore-kef/kef-m...1-xq2c-xq3-xq5

No, they were not top-of-the-line. Just as it is now, the Reference series was top-of-the-line. The XQ series was between the Q series and Reference series. The XQ series occupied a similar spot to that which is occupied by today's R series.

As for their rarity, they are a bit of an odd-man-out. They are fairly large for a bookshelf speaker. The XQ1 was the more typical bookshelf size. The XQ3s were very similar, though, to the Reference series bookshelf speaker that was available at the time.

What color are yours, btw? What are your front speakers?

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Well, it depends on the room and amp. No need for sub in my room with the LS50
How small is the room? I tried for almost 4 months, but my LS50 absolutely needed a sub. So would love to learn how you have been able to achieve that.

Without a sub, even a cheap jbl 305 speaker could beat my LS50 in a blind testing for me and my many friends.

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I'm with you on this one! With an F3 of 79hz (they start dropping off well above that) bass extension isn't going to be very deep.

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Mine are graphite from what I see the reds seem to be rarest . My fronts i have klipsch rf63 ii these actually first pair kef everything else klipsch but these are much warmer of a sound . Big debate weather to brand match or not I guess timber matching more important I still new to more expensive stuff so I upgrade as I go i fond myself changing directions alot lol i assuming at less than 200cad I doin alright and I dont mind the bigger size wish I had the stands but I making due
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Mine are graphite from what I see the reds seem to be rarest . My fronts i have klipsch rf63 ii these actually first pair kef everything else klipsch but these are much warmer of a sound . Big debate weather to brand match or not I guess timber matching more important I still new to more expensive stuff so I upgrade as I go i fond myself changing directions alot lol i assuming at less than 200cad I doin alright and I dont mind the bigger size wish I had the stands but I making due

The XQ3s and your Klipsches have a very different sound from one another. Do you listen to a lot of music? If so, I would recommend using the KEFs up front just to see what a different speaker sounds like. See which sound you prefer. You may like your Klipsch's sound. Or you may like the KEF's sound. Either way, it may help in the future when you might be shopping for speakers.

Do you have a subwoofer?

I don't know how much the XQ3s retailed for back in their day. I can tell you that the XQ1s listed, retail, for $1500/pr.. And the XQ5s were $1500/ea.. Those were their list prices, mind you. I paid considerably less for mine.

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Kef R300 vs R500 for left and right in a home theater set up.

I recently upgraded my center channel to the R200c and an now looking to upgrade my fronts. The system info (except the new R200C) in my signature below. I typically lean towards bookshelf speakers, but the R500s look like a perfect match for the R200C, which I am loving so far. The cost will be similar will either way.

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I recently upgraded my center channel to the R200c and an now looking to upgrade my fronts. The system info (except the new R200C) in my signature below. I typically lean towards bookshelf speakers, but the R500s look like a perfect match for the R200C, which I am loving so far. The cost will be similar will either way.
If the cost really is similar and you can accommodate the towers, it's a no-brainer, IMO of course. R500s.

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I recently upgraded my center channel to the R200c and an now looking to upgrade my fronts. The system info (except the new R200C) in my signature below. I typically lean towards bookshelf speakers, but the R500s look like a perfect match for the R200C, which I am loving so far. The cost will be similar will either way.
The latest R series is said to be better than the previous generation. That said the old gen R series do sound quite nice and don't do anything offensive. For the same money with adequate space, I'd go R500's and never look back.

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If the cost really is similar and you can accommodate the towers, it's a no-brainer, IMO of course. R500s.
The cost is within a couple hundred dollars which means I will make this decision based on sound not cost and thanks for the comment!

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The cost is within a couple hundred dollars which means I will make this decision based on sound not cost and thanks for the comment!
I had bought my R500's first, about 4-1/2 years ago, then came the R200c. It's still quite amazing to me, and I've heard a lot of systems since that time.

The R100 surrounds are something you'd have a hard time finding now.

Only thing I would do differently today is shop more carefully for a subwoofer (or two.) While my SB2000 is good and fits in both of the only 2 places I can put one, I would save up a ton and get a KEF KF92 now because nothing on the market in the size of that sub can touch it.

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Mix music movies and video games .. when listening music I do multi channel 7.2 I have two paradigm 10 inch subs ... yes my speakers are a mix I kinda buy sell slowly upgrade so not always choice unless I wanna spend more money as of now i have
Denon x2400h paid 100
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That's what is hooked up

Then have some energy rc minis klipsch r14m and klipsch rb 51 ii
Kinda laying around ...

I used to have all polk then started switching to klipsch then got these kefs and I really like the sound alot warmer then klipsch

I heard so many different opinions match brands doesn't matter match timber etc I still learning as I go ex got my last stereo I just left it this is about 6 months of starting over
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Kef R200c/600c or R2c

Just Purchase my first Kef speakers was able to grab r500s for an excellent price, i plan on completing a full 5.1 or 7.1 system, im going to be getting another within the next week just debating if i should get 700s or another set of 500s, now the issue im running into is trying to find the r200c or 600c, which seems impossible i would love to find them b stock like my 500s which i got locally from accessories4less. If im unable to find the 200c or 600c would going to the R2c really throw the timbre matching off from the other speakers

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I had bought my R500's first, about 4-1/2 years ago, then came the R200c. It's still quite amazing to me, and I've heard a lot of systems since that time.

The R100 surrounds are something you'd have a hard time finding now.

Only thing I would do differently today is shop more carefully for a subwoofer (or two.) While my SB2000 is good and fits in both of the only 2 places I can put one, I would save up a ton and get a KEF KF92 now because nothing on the market in the size of that sub can touch it.
Kef KF92 specs are crazy. But can a subwoofer with 2 9 inch drivers really get as low as 11Hz?

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Basement: Vizio P55-F1; NAD 758 v3; Front L&R KEF Q150s, Center KEF Q200c, rear surrounds KEF T100s; Atmos KEF Q50s; sub KEF Kube 10b
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Kef KF92 specs are crazy. But can a subwoofer with 2 9 inch drivers really get as low as 11Hz?
If I hadn't heard it myself, I wouldn't believe it.

Then again, my daughter's boyfriend went to my dealer with me and we found a used Sunfire True Jr. subwoofer with twin 6" drivers that hits hard down below 22hz, so there KF92 has some precedent.

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hey guys.. I recently purchased the Kef q150 and the Kef q350. Wanted to talk about these 2 speakers.
Let me first say that Kef should be shame of themself for not including grills and the corners they cut to maximize there profits rather than making a outstanding speaker for the money..



Ill say this, upgrade the crossovers no matter what. They suck. Period! They suck BAD!
The q350 has a very huge dip around 950 to 2.5k. Its so bad that I couldnt use them more than a week. They have enormouse amount of bass. At times it was like I had a sub. Plugging the vents was way better overall. The sound just isnt flat or level at all on the q350's when they are vented. they really rushed these models. The q150's are better in every aspect only cause the drivers are smaller and yeild a better overall flatter response. Both have crappy crossovers..



let me get into more detail.
The speakers use a very simple 6db first order slope. One resistor. Thats it. The q350s are cut off at around 750hz on the mids. The q150 around 800hz on the mids. the tweeters on the q350s are cut off way up there at around 9000hz. The q150s are higher at 10500hz.The tweeters rae reverse polarity and keep it that way or they will suck. The problem here is that kef used cheap parts and bad crossover points. To make them sound better you need to increase the upper cutoff of mids and get rid of that dam dip these have. Also the tweeters have a bad attenuation that make them sound dull. We will fix that



I returned the q350's. I did get them sounding better when i did a cap upgrade. However they just werent doing it for me. I got the q150s which do great for my needs. These speakers are not woorth the price out of the box. Not at all. especially with no grills wich is retarded. The grills are 40$ a pair.. smh... No kef.. Hell no!



To get the q150's sounding more like LSX Just take out the old parts..ALL of them. Replace the crappy MKT 3.7uf cap with a 3.9uf MKP of your choice. This will aloow th etweeter to play a bit lower in frequency. I went with a Russian White Line. Replace the crappy iron core .8mh coil with air core of .65mh value.. This will allow th emid to play a bit igher in frequency and blend the sound much better. The dip these had will be gone. It moves the dip to around 5k rather than 1.5k. You will notice a difference and it is a good difference.Usually 5 to 7k need a dip because your ears are way mnore senitive to this area of sound. Also change that resistor to a 1ohm. the 1.5ohm is ok and will be fine for the sensitive ears some have. I like my speakers with a little more sparkle. Remember that those crappy MKT factory caps sound harsh. The new cap you choose will fix that! Thats it... the sound you will get out of this simple upgrade for the q150 is huge... They are now worth the money


BTW... you will have a hard time to take the crossover board out. take your time. you dont want to crack it. Clip the tips of the plastic legs off and pry it up gently. Best method is to remove the speaker terminal and use a long screw driver. ... After you do your upgrades, you can use some velcro or good double sided tape to stick the crossover board back in place or use a ziptie to hold it on to the woofen bar that goes across the inside the enclosure...



Remove the weird rolled up poly rolls they wedged in the corners. that just made no sense that they did that... Unroll them and cut them to fit the entire back wall of the enclosures.


Again... Doing this simple upgrade WILL be impressive..
The next project is to finish the 18db crossovers im building.. Those should be even better... but much more expensive and difficult.. however for you guys... if you do this simple upgrade you will LOVE these speakers.
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I picked up two pairs of Q50a Atmos modules on Cyber Monday for a great price. I haven't had much of a chance to listen yet, my system is now 4.1.4.





I can tell you right now that your setup will not have good soundstage.. you have a wall on the left and no wall on the right.. the sound will be all lopsided. amplitude will be off. the wall will mess up the sound.. wont be even..
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