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How are they for ceiling atmos speakers and can you use them for rear channel In wall speakers as well?
I haven't used them as Atmos speakers, but the Ci200QR my son has are just killer good. He has a complete 7.2 surround system of KEF Q series and the Ci200QR in his woodworking shop sound BETTER than his Q300's because they're the bigger driver and with the specified volume of wall space behind them the bass is deeper.

Certainly they can be used for in-wall mounting, and that's why they offer such a wide range of choices in round, square, and rectangular format.

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I haven't used them as Atmos speakers, but the Ci200QR my son has are just killer good. He has a complete 7.2 surround system of KEF Q series and the Ci200QR in his woodworking shop sound BETTER than his Q300's because they're the bigger driver and with the specified volume of wall space behind them the bass is deeper.

Certainly they can be used for in-wall mounting, and that's why they offer such a wide range of choices in round, square, and rectangular format.

Ok thanks! I’ll check those out
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Some listen the jamo c93 and the kef q350?? Has some advice if its a change for better? What kind of sound has the kef q350? More for movies or music? Has a good bass? Etc

I can't comment on the c93 but I opted for the c91 over the q150. Near field imaging is on par and they were half the price. Kefs were better but a lot larger for a work set up. I'm really tempted to find c97 over R3 or r5s next. Currently own and go between Kefs iq3 & iq7s. I like their sound but wife hates their look


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LS50 and R3, Canton Vento, Reference 9.2 DC

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I may be biased given my setup but I have to recommend going with the LS50's, an R2c, and dual subs. Cross at 120hz for the best bang for the buck system. I have underpowered dual subs at the moment (rythmik l12 soon) and still in awe. I have a small to medium size room that opens to a kitchen. Crossed at 90hz, I never feel the LS50's extend out of their comfort.

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Yes that's what my logical mind says go with LS50-L/R & R2C center. Then 2 HSU or Rhythmik subs. People here also recommended looking at Canton Vento or 9.2 DC bookshelf but don't know how they compare to LS50/R3
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Hello, I was interested in a center channel if I go with R3's and 2 subs. Is the R2C $899 worth it over Q650 $550 or are there other choices you would make for a center?



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Definitely worth it, specially when these speakers last 10 years or more. But since critical listening is not needed for movies, Q650 will suffice.

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I may be biased given my setup but I have to recommend going with the LS50's, an R2c, and dual subs. Cross at 120hz for the best bang for the buck system. I have underpowered dual subs at the moment (rythmik l12 soon) and still in awe. I have a small to medium size room that opens to a kitchen. Crossed at 90hz, I never feel the LS50's extend out of their comfort.

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For small room where you are sitting at 8 ft or less, ls50 is the best, better than R3.

I am about 11 ft away. But Aaron showed me a way to create a 4th order cross over at 100 hz and now I can play these ls50s very loud.



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Trying to on which speakers, My room is only 11’6” x 12 ft. 5160 vs 3160. Thinking the 3160s will be more than sufficient.


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For small room where you are sitting at 8 ft or less, ls50 is the best, better than R3.

I am about 11 ft away. But Aaron showed me a way to create a 4th order cross over at 100 hz and now I can play these ls50s very loud.



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Yes. Effectively. @aarons915 can provide details.

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Some listen the jamo c93 and the kef q350?? Has some advice if its a change for better? What kind of sound has the kef q350? More for movies or music? Has a good bass? Etc
Imaging on the Kef is quite good. You could hear individual instruments (provided the source and recording are good quality) with excellent detail and clarity. Bass is decent on the 350's though I strongly recommend adding a sub or two. If this is for a small room or desktop setup, stepping to LS50's (on sale pretty much everywhere in the US & Canada) would be an even bigger step up. The Jamo's don't stand a chance.

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Yes that's what my logical mind says go with LS50-L/R & R2C center. Then 2 HSU or Rhythmik subs. People here also recommended looking at Canton Vento or 9.2 DC bookshelf but don't know how they compare to LS50/R3
Return policy at A4L isn't very favorable. I'm sure the Canton Reference DC sound fantastic and there's a good probability that you will like them. with an original MSRP of $4000/pair, detail & clarity will be superb and I don't expect them to be deficient at any frequency. If you're willing to take the financial risk by all means go for it. You've already heard and liked The LS50's so they're a safer bet and hard to beat for the price.

As for subs: If you want high impact and are more of a movie person, HSU all day long. If you favor music and still want good performance for movies go with Rhythmik.

NOTE: A ported sub will 3 to 4 times more impact below 40hz than a sealed sub so you'll want to take that into consideration when you're ready to buy.

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I haven't used them as Atmos speakers, but the Ci200QR my son has are just killer good. He has a complete 7.2 surround system of KEF Q series and the Ci200QR in his woodworking shop sound BETTER than his Q300's because they're the bigger driver and with the specified volume of wall space behind them the bass is deeper.

Certainly they can be used for in-wall mounting, and that's why they offer such a wide range of choices in round, square, and rectangular format.



This confirms what I've been saying all along.


I really wish KEF made an HT dedicated line using their 8" Uni-Q driver (center, bookshelf etc)

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This confirms what I've been saying all along.


I really wish KEF made an HT dedicated line using their 8" Uni-Q driver (center, bookshelf etc)
Well they do have Q950's. A center with such huge drivers is hard to fit in to a lot of setups and price will be pretty close to an R2C. How heavy and bulky would bookshelves with 8" drivers be and again price will be closer to the $1000 mark which maybe out of reach for many trying to put together such a system. A lot of R & D would need to be put into this as well.

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Well they do have Q950's. A center with such huge drivers is hard to fit in to a lot of setups and price will be pretty close to an R2C. How heavy and bulky would bookshelves with 8" drivers be and again price will be closer to the $1000 mark which maybe out of reach for many trying to put together such a system. A lot of R & D would need to be put into this as well.
The MA Silver 100s have 8" drivers, and they're not that much larger than the Polk RTiA3s.
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Well they do have Q950's. A center with such huge drivers is hard to fit in to a lot of setups and price will be pretty close to an R2C. How heavy and bulky would bookshelves with 8" drivers be and again price will be closer to the $1000 mark which maybe out of reach for many trying to put together such a system. A lot of R & D would need to be put into this as well.

There's definitely a market for it in HT though, those looking for maximum value/dynamics would have a huge appeal towards these given KEF marketed them properly.
JTR's now selling some massive coaxial drivers and they're selling like hotcakes to the enthusiast/hardcore crowd.

Also competing company's like Revel have their C208 which has dual 8" bass drivers

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Hi, I’m very close to pulling the trigger on an R2c to replace my q650c. As my mains are r3s, I’m thinking it will make a very nice front stage. Anyhow, there is almost nothing as far as reviews for the r2c online. I was hoping that someone who owns one could give me their impressions?

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Hi, I’m very close to pulling the trigger on an R2c to replace my q650c. As my mains are r3s, I’m thinking it will make a very nice front stage. Anyhow, there is almost nothing as far as reviews for the r2c online. I was hoping that someone who owns one could give me their impressions?
I bought an R2C to go with my R700s after I demoed it at a local dealer, and am very happy with it.

At the dealer (who had R7s at the front and R3s at the back), we spent a while going between the R2c and a phantom center. The main difference was in imaging, but it also made a noticable improvement in the general balance in off-center seating.

At home, I haven't noticed a difference in the overall sound, as the timbre of the R2c matches my R700s nicely and just blends in.
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I bought an R2C to go with my R700s after I demoed it at a local dealer, and am very happy with it.

At the dealer (who had R7s at the front and R3s at the back), we spent a while going between the R2c and a phantom center. The main difference was in imaging, but it also made a noticable improvement in the general balance in off-center seating.

At home, I haven't noticed a difference in the overall sound, as the timbre of the R2c matches my R700s nicely and just blends in.
Thanks for the info! Does it ever seem like it lacks in dynamics with your r towers? I guess my biggest concern is that it is smaller than my current q 650 and has smaller drivers. I guess what I’m asking is does it seem like it could keep up with your mains? I have r3s for my mains, which also have bigger drivers.

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I went from a Q600c to a R2c. Mains are LS50. Very happy with the upgrade. The Q600c was nice, don’t get me wrong, I was happy with it most of the time. But at time it sounded “boxy”, box resonance. The R2c not olny has better drivers, and crossover components, the box is much better built. I lost nothing moving to the smaller drivers, but gained a lot more resolution, and detail. You don’t “hear” the speaker.
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I went from a Q600c to a R2c. Mains are LS50. Very happy with the upgrade. The Q600c was nice, don’t get me wrong, I was happy with it most of the time. But at time it sounded “boxy”, box resonance. The R2c not olny has better drivers, and crossover components, the box is much better built. I lost nothing moving to the smaller drivers, but gained a lot more resolution, and detail. You don’t “hear” the speaker.

This is great info, basically the same situation as I’m in! It sounds like your happy in every way with the upgrade, thanks!

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Yes sir! I might add that I have dual Monolith THX 10’s and use a relatively high crossover, 110 hz. You’ll probably be able to go lower with the R3.
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Return policy at A4L isn't very favorable. I'm sure the Canton Reference DC sound fantastic and there's a good probability that you will like them. with an original MSRP of $4000/pair, detail & clarity will be superb and I don't expect them to be deficient at any frequency.

NOTE: A ported sub will 3 to 4 times more impact below 40hz than a sealed sub so you'll want to take that into consideration when you're ready to buy.

Yes I like very much the 2 Kef's Ive heard in person (LS50, R3). Only heard you tube for Canton, and A4L return policy makes it harder to go on Canton (even with A4L free Vento 866.2 Center w/Vento floors) especially when you liked what you heard in person with KEF.

Interesting I didn't know what with Subs ported had that much more impact. I was going to start with either 1 (for music) Rhythmik 12 or (for HT) VTF3 MK3 HP. 2nd later on.
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Yes sir! I might add that I have dual Monolith THX 10’s and use a relatively high crossover, 110 hz. You’ll probably be able to go lower with the R3.
I run my current setup with an 80hz crossover. Is that too low for the r2c? I assume you use that crossover more for the ls50s?

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I think you’ll be fine with 80 hz.
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Thanks for the info! Does it ever seem like it lacks in dynamics with your r towers? I guess my biggest concern is that it is smaller than my current q 650 and has smaller drivers. I guess what I’m asking is does it seem like it could keep up with your mains? I have r3s for my mains, which also have bigger drivers.
Oh absolutely, there was no change in dynamics. I frequently listen to 2ch things where the center is not involved, but other than the viable listening positions and imaging I don't think much else changes. Maybe the mids are a little more detailed with the center enabled, as voices are a bit more present, but I don't notice any lack of anything.
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Yes I like very much the 2 Kef's Ive heard in person (LS50, R3). Only heard you tube for Canton, and A4L return policy makes it harder to go on Canton (even with A4L free Vento 866.2 Center w/Vento floors) especially when you liked what you heard in person with KEF.

Interesting I didn't know what with Subs ported had that much more impact. I was going to start with either 1 (for music) Rhythmik 12 or (for HT) VTF3 MK3 HP. 2nd later on.
I don't recommend mixing subs because you'll be limited to the weaker sub. In terms of value/performance,the VTF3 is hard to beat. I'd start with 1 VTF-3 and add the 2nd later.

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Hello folks. Proud owner of the KEF E305 5.1 speakers since 5 years now. However, the time has come to possibly buy 4 floorstanders for them since I have bought a new house. The E301 is scarcely available these days so does anyone know where I can find them or point me in the direction of some good alternatives?

I guess since the satelites can stand upright this should not be difficult although ideally I'd like to make sure the satelites are securely fastened to the stands too.

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Oh absolutely, there was no change in dynamics. I frequently listen to 2ch things where the center is not involved, but other than the viable listening positions and imaging I don't think much else changes. Maybe the mids are a little more detailed with the center enabled, as voices are a bit more present, but I don't notice any lack of anything.
My biggest concern was the r2c having less dynamics or sounding smaller. I’m glad to hear that’s not the case! Thanks for chiming in!

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Hello folks. Proud owner of the KEF E305 5.1 speakers since 5 years now. However, the time has come to possibly buy 4 floorstanders for them since I have bought a new house. The E301 is scarcely available these days so does anyone know where I can find them or point me in the direction of some good alternatives?



I guess since the satelites can stand upright this should not be difficult although ideally I'd like to make sure the satelites are securely fastened to the stands too.



Thanks a lot!
These look great mounted, im guessing that's not an option? Just need stands for the front 2? If you need additional E301's for your new room I have a pair, in both black and white, available.

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