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post #20431 of 27221 Old 02-12-2015, 01:44 PM
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Hi zoro,

Although I've heard nothing about a replacement, I think it is a safe assumption that an FPM replacement is one of the many projects being worked on in Steyning. The big issue is cabinet depth. I think many consumers (but surely not those on this forum!) have an unrealistic expectation that speakers will continue to get as skinny as their TV's- without impacting quality. Therein lies the rub.

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I can relate to your point and am all affirmative. tv started getting skinny and audio sucked now any flat panel u buy, soundbar is must. i am still old fashioned and like to use my tv speakers for broadcast and hate to use one extra piece is their. my fpm shall be dedicated to home theater mostly, i am good with my pioneer elite kuro speakers and size does not bother me, but as the aesthetics and cross over/cabinets changed to better on other S2, i would expect the same and will hate this to happen after i got mine.
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Inexpensive speaker by B&W was a DM-302. We couldn't sell the 600 series over them. Or the CDMs. The next better speaker was the Matrix. I know its old school. But I have a deep respect the the 302. Cheep crossovers, drivers, cabinet and made in china. The prism design was the culprit.

If you find a pr buy them.
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Okay, giving up on the in-walls for my HT, now deliberating between the 683 S2's and teh 684's. What does the $500 get me sound-wise? Is it worth the upgrade? I am coming from DM-7's so anything will be an improvement and will be driving them with an Adcom GFA 555-II - 200W RMS per side A/B class (10W of A).

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It may not matter for the back speakers as much but for the main front the FST Kevlar midrange driver it's great and bass extension


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It may not matter for the back speakers as much but for the main front the FST Kevlar midrange driver it's great and bass extension


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Gerardo, you were answering my question of 683's vs 684's?

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Gerardo, you were answering my question of 683's vs 684's?

Yes, but hoping others with better information can give you more details. I have the 683 s2 love the vocals. But I haven't heard the 684s. Based on what I read online the mid range is better on the 683s2.


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Yes, but hoping others with better information can give you more details. I have the 683 s2 love the vocals. But I haven't heard the 684s. Based on what I read online the mid range is better on the 683s2.


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I've closely demo'ed both the 684s2 and 683s2's since I work at a magnolia and this is what i've come away with.

The 684s2's are decent speakers and they definitely have nice highs and vocals thanks to the improved tweeter from the previous models. However the speaker sounds hollow in the midrange and you can't get good bass extension from it unless you place it against the wall.

The 683s2's however have a very nice full and deep sound to them for both movies and music. Midrange is tighter and more detailed and the lows and bass extension are a vast improvement over the 684's. To me the choice is simple, if you plan on using them as front mains, I would go with 683's, even with the price difference you can absolutely hear the difference in the sound. Now if your looking for good rears and you want towers instead of full range bookshelf speakers I would consider the 684's.

Hope that helps. If you want more specific details or have questions you can shoot me a pm.
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Okay, giving up on the in-walls for my HT, now deliberating between the 683 S2's and teh 684's. What does the $500 get me sound-wise? Is it worth the upgrade? I am coming from DM-7's so anything will be an improvement and will be driving them with an Adcom GFA 555-II - 200W RMS per side A/B class (10W of A).
The 684 S2 is much improved over the S1. The 684 S2s would make a decent front stage (I didn't feel that way about the S1). However, the FST mid-range driver of the 683 S2 is really what makes it special, not only for music but HT as well (i.e. soundtracks). Also, if you have a big room to fill the 683 S2 is the way to go.

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The 684 S2 is much improved over the S1. The 684 S2s would make a decent front stage (I didn't feel that way about the S1). However, the FST mid-range driver of the 683 S2 is really what makes it special, not only for music but HT as well (i.e. soundtracks). Also, if you have a big room to fill the 683 S2 is the way to go.
I absolutely agree with this assessment. And not just for the 684's, but for all of the 6 series models. To my ears the improvements are not subtle.
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Hello all B&W fans, I'm currently in a Speaker Upgraditis state of mind and considering CM9s2, CMC2s2, CM1s2. It would be for a dedicated HT where I often happen to listen to music in 2.0.

My first question would be if getting the CM10s2 would match the center channel as good as the CM9s2 and give me a better experience?

I'm also wondering if, for surrounds, I would be better with the DS3, CM1s2 or CM5s2?

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Made the transition from Revel Ultima Studios /Voice and Gem to B&W .....here's hoping all will sound good once some hours on the clock .
The 802's certainly are showing promise in stereo in terms of soundstage !!
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Made the transition from Revel Ultima Studios /Voice and Gem to B&W .....here's hoping all will sound good once some hours on the clock .
The 802's certainly are showing promise in stereo in terms of soundstage !!
Nice setup!!!!!
What are you using for surround speakers 803 or 804?
I didn't see a center channel are you a no center channel person because I have heard some great systems without a center
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Oops I didn't notice that htm2 it blended in with the stand I thought it was smoked glass..lol
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Made the transition from Revel Ultima Studios /Voice and Gem to B&W .....here's hoping all will sound good once some hours on the clock .
The 802's certainly are showing promise in stereo in terms of soundstage !!
Welcome to the B&W family That's a very setup. What version of the studios/voice/gems did you have, originals or 2's? What prompted you to switch from Revel to B&W?

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Welcome to the B&W family That's a very setup. What version of the studios/voice/gems did you have, originals or 2's? What prompted you to switch from Revel to B&W?
Had the original Revels .They sounded fine , but were getting a bit long in the tooth after 12 years . Time for a change ( you all know what it is like with this obsession !!! )
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Nice setup!!!!!
What are you using for surround speakers 803 or 804?
I didn't see a center channel are you a no center channel person because I have heard some great systems without a center
Using 804's for surrounds , 2 DB1s as subs and of course a HTM2 for centre as you subsequently saw !
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Had the original Revels .They sounded fine , but were getting a bit long in the tooth after 12 years . Time for a change ( you all know what it is like with this obsession !!! )

Cool, nothing ever wrong with a change What speaker cables are you using? They kind of look like Kimber Kable Select 6000 series from the distance the photo was taken.

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Nice!!! I am trying to get a similar setup either 802d's or 800d's with either 803D's or 804D's and HTM2 ...been putting money aside for the past 2 months but I keep coming across other deals too good to pass up and I am still sporting a rather outdated system
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Made the transition from Revel Ultima Studios /Voice and Gem to B&W .....here's hoping all will sound good once some hours on the clock .
The 802's certainly are showing promise in stereo in terms of soundstage !!
Very nice set-up, love the table!
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The only issue with AM-1 is that they cannot be counted to the ceiling. Regards, Patrick
I saw them mounted on the ceiling at a friend's house and the work great!
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Cool, nothing ever wrong with a change What speaker cables are you using? They kind of look like Kimber Kable Select 6000 series from the distance the photo was taken.
Well spotted - Yes ... all Kimber Select including balanced interconnects
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Very nice set-up, love the table!
Table is very nice ..just got to be careful where one places your glass !
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Well spotted - Yes ... all Kimber Select including balanced interconnects

Very nice. Which models did you go with, copper, copper/silver hybrid or silver? I had been looking at going all copper Kimber Select for quite some time but last fall started thinking about perhaps going Siltech instead. I'm still undecided.

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Very nice. Which models did you go with, copper, copper/silver hybrid or silver? I had been looking at going all copper Kimber Select for quite some time but last fall started thinking about perhaps going Siltech instead. I'm still undecided.
Rod .....all Copper .Anything beyond that got a bit too expensive once you are buying a full set including Interconnects , sub cables and so the list goes on when it is for a 5.2 set up with separate amps ,processor etc .
In the old days with a two channel , it was a bit simpler and cheaper !
Went with Kimber as I know they are mainstream and have great products with lots of expertise .
The alternative I considered and which I would still consider if in the market, was Transparent .
The deciding factor was that my dealer from whom I buy ALL my products , traded in my Synergistic Research cables against the Kimber .
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So I thought to make a post on here asking a few questions I had. I WAS eyeing the Sonus Venere towers to replace my aging 5.1 JBL Northridge setup (I figure I can reuse the matching fronts and rears as satelites and get some really good quality fronts, plus a new center, as I think the Northridge center needs to go in the garbage at this rate).

Anyway, my initial inclination was towers, and I liked the Sonus Venere's, but slowly but surely I leaned more toward the BW CM series (in part because they had two different center channel options, both of which looked a little more appealing than Sonus's).

So from there I was partial to the seperated tweter design they put in two of the new S2's, and I thought better of going for the CM10S2 (I think it would be too much speaker?) settling on the CM6 s2's instead. I may still beef up my center with the higher level CM S2 center though, given how underwhelming my current center channel is.

So my question is, given what I'm going for, I wanted to get a new receiver that would measure up (I currently have a 5-6 year old Sony with only two HDMI's, one of which died somehow, so it's gotta go, liked it otherwise though). Mind you, I'm not a "major" audiophile, I just want to make sure my stuff sounds good. I can't imagine in that regard I'd go wrong with a 2015 Denon or Pioneer Elite (waiting for them to announce and come out with this years midrange models, which I realize will be a while yet)? Heck, I even though about seeing what Sony's top midrange STR1060 model will be all about, after hearing such nice things about the 1050 last year. I know a lot of people like the Marrantz brand (or better), but that may just be too high end for me? And I do enjoy some of the mainstreamness that the Denon/Pioneer/Sony stuff has.

And of course if I could find a decent deal on a Diamond tower I'd take it, but I wasn't expecting it :P . I do wish the S2's had more separate tweeter models though, as I would have loved to get the CM9 or somesuch like that.
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Hi zoro,

Although I've heard nothing about a replacement, I think it is a safe assumption that an FPM replacement is one of the many projects being worked on in Steyning. The big issue is cabinet depth. I think many consumers (but surely not those on this forum!) have an unrealistic expectation that speakers will continue to get as skinny as their TV's- without impacting quality. Therein lies the rub.

Regards,

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I have had a 5.1 FPM (with PV1) set up for years powered by a Classe SSP 600 and Classe CA 5100. I've always been very happy with the performance. Sure its not an 800 series equivalent, but what you gain in square footage and looks is hugely valuable.

I think investing in making a "thinner" version vs just an upgraded version SQ wise would be a mistake. Trying to match the thickness of displays is a race you can never win, plus so few people actually mount their monitor flat to a wall which warrants needing a speaker the same depth. No only does the monitor have to be mounted agains the wall, but people need to choose a bracket that doesn't add inches of depth to warrant the need for something thinner then the current FPMs

I love my FPMs, and im all for a better version. If the next gen comes out sounding much better ill uprage to them for that room.
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Good morning all,

Im currently running a 6 series Series 1 5.1 setup with 683's front, the bigger center and 686 as surrounds, I had them running through a denon 3808ci and recently added an emotiva Xpa-5 and its a world of difference! Im pretty happy with the setup in my main living room, but like all of you I am getting the upgrade bug. Ive always loved the 802 design and sound... Found a used pair of 802d (not di) for 6400.. very out of my range for the time being and I would still need a considerable amount to power them... I plan on using the old 6 series setup with a projector in my basement as a multi use room and have the 802's in my living room running stereo, but I really would be stretching getting the 802's, while i think they are a good deal they are not the newest 802di would it make that much of a difference?

I found a pair of open box cm10s2 for a combined price of 2800 which is a steal as well, but Im pretty sure i would eventually want to round that setup out to 5.1 leaving me close to the 6 grand i would spend on the 802's

is the cm10 that much of a step up or should i be saving to try and take the leap to the 800 series?
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Dear users of B&W

After I searched through many posts I am confused about the choice of loudspeakers.

I am hesitating between B&W 703 and B&W CM9.
I don’t have a chance to listen to any of them.
I have a chance to buy either of these (second hand) at a comparable price.

Which of them would be better for stereo (I have Arcam AVR 400 and Oppo) in a mid-size room.

I like the build of 703 I have heard many positive reviews about it. However, one user in this forum (who had a chance to compare both models) indicated that 703 is bright and fatiguing in the long run.

Could you help me to make a decision?

Do CM9 speakers really outperform 703?

I will bevery grateful for any help and comment.

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i am redoing my HT and sold the Klipsch THX U2 speakers.

I have always been a B&W fan and would like to get them in my HT.

Those cut outs you see where made for the Klipsch speakers but I will have to adjust them
to accomodate other speakers.

Do you think it would be OK to put 805 diamonds in those cut outs?

I was looking to put the CWM8.3 but thats almost impossible due to the backboxes, they are B I G! An easier option
would be the CWM 7.3 but I think I would lose in SQ compared to the CWM 8.3 or the 805 diamonds.

Advise???

Ps: as you can see the speakers will be behind an AT screen
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Rod .....all Copper .Anything beyond that got a bit too expensive once you are buying a full set including Interconnects , sub cables and so the list goes on when it is for a 5.2 set up with separate amps ,processor etc .
In the old days with a two channel , it was a bit simpler and cheaper !
Went with Kimber as I know they are mainstream and have great products with lots of expertise .
The alternative I considered and which I would still consider if in the market, was Transparent .
The deciding factor was that my dealer from whom I buy ALL my products , traded in my Synergistic Research cables against the Kimber .

Yeah once you go silver the price jumps significantly and if you are doing it for all cabling then it can quickly get ridiculous, especially for long cable runs.

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