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Hi! I am new here and would like to get you opinion. If you find not proper to put it here, my apology, you may delete this post.

I am on the process of upgrading my 20-years old home theater system. I already purchased an ONKYO TXNR676 receiver to replace my TX-DS979. I am contemplating to replace my BOSE AM15 with B&W 600 series with the following components: front 683 S2 ($1,550) or 684 S2 ($960), surround 686 S2 ($510), center HTM61 S2 ($700) and subwoofer ASW610 ($645). I am also planning to buy an OPPO UDP-203 UHD Blu-Ray player.

Any input will be appreciated. Cheers!
Correction: ONKYO TX-DS797 not DS979
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Hi! I am new here and would like to get you opinion. If you find not proper to put it here, my apology, you may delete this post.

I am on the process of upgrading my 20-years old home theater system. I already purchased an ONKYO TXNR676 receiver to replace my TX-DS979. I am contemplating to replace my BOSE AM15 with B&W 600 series with the following components: front 683 S2 ($1,550) or 684 S2 ($960), surround 686 S2 ($510), center HTM61 S2 ($700) and subwoofer ASW610 ($645). I am also planning to buy an OPPO UDP-203 UHD Blu-Ray player.

Any input will be appreciated. Cheers!
The 600 series 2 speakers are good choices in the price bracket. I think you'll be pleased. However you would be better served looking at other subs vs. the B&W. There are a lot more capable subs from other manufacturers available for around the same price.
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Since you are in NYC now have you had a chance to listen to the Zellatons at Gideon's by any chance? Or the new Ensembles?
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Would love to hear your take on the ZELLATONE's sound vs the new 800D3 s... If you get a chance of course ...
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Anyone try upward firings with their CM series speakers? My AVR supports 5.1.2 so I'm thinking of trying some atmos speakers on my new CM9 S2's. The KEF look like a good pairing but at $1,200 a pair it's an expensive experiment. Anyone try a similar setup and have advice? My concerns are both effectiveness and cosmetic.
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My wife and I just auditioned the B&W 703 S2. We currently own a pair of CM10s. We are considering upgrading to 702 S2. What we were really shocked about was how aggressive, bright, and almost cutting the high frequencies are. The highs kind of remind me of the paradigm prestige series. I am hoping that the 702 don't suffer the same issue. I love the mid driver in these. Vocals sound really clear. Has anyone else had the same experience? Has anyone listened to the 702 and the 703? Do the 800 series sound similar?
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My wife and I just auditioned the B&W 703 S2. We currently own a pair of CM10s. We are considering upgrading to 702 S2. What we were really shocked about was how aggressive, bright, and almost cutting the high frequencies are. The highs kind of remind me of the paradigm prestige series. I am hoping that the 702 don't suffer the same issue. I love the mid driver in these. Vocals sound really clear. Has anyone else had the same experience? Has anyone listened to the 702 and the 703? Do the 800 series sound similar?
I also own the cm10s and while i haven't heard any of the new 700 series yet, ive heard what you are saying from people who have owned the cm10s and listened to the new 700 series. I should be hearing them soon and im excited to see what i find out.

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Anyone try upward firings with their CM series speakers? My AVR supports 5.1.2 so I'm thinking of trying some atmos speakers on my new CM9 S2's. The KEF look like a good pairing but at $1,200 a pair it's an expensive experiment. Anyone try a similar setup and have advice? My concerns are both effectiveness and cosmetic.
Upward firing are better with some things than others. For sound that is generally overhead somewhere--rainfall, jungle sounds, aircraft overhead--it's fine. The sound gets diffused but it doesn't matter so much. The diffusion actually adds to the effect in some cases. For sound that is supposed to come from a specific location overhead, they don't do as well. You get the sense that the sound is up above somewhere, but it's not exactly where it should be. On the plus side, most of the better Atmos effects are in the first category.
I had the cheapo Pioneers at first and they were very OK. I later upgraded to the KEF R50s, which are wonderful, and probably as good as it is going to get with this technology. They go very nicely with my B&W front three, although I can't set them atop my 804's, so they are on stands in front.
For that reason among others, I am looking forward to having a house of my own next year where I can use in-ceiling speakers for Atmos. If wall or ceiling mounting is out for you, the upfiring speakers are worth doing, but if you can mount, do so.
I'm planning on selling my KEF's soon, so if you are interested in the R50s but can't stomach the retail price, PM me. Mine are less than 6 months old and in NM condition.

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Upward firing are better with some things than others. For sound that is generally overhead somewhere--rainfall, jungle sounds, aircraft overhead--it's fine. The sound gets diffused but it doesn't matter so much. The diffusion actually adds to the effect in some cases. For sound that is supposed to come from a specific location overhead, they don't do as well. You get the sense that the sound is up above somewhere, but it's not exactly where it should be. On the plus side, most of the better Atmos effects are in the first category.
I had the cheapo Pioneers at first and they were very OK. I later upgraded to the KEF R50s, which are wonderful, and probably as good as it is going to get with this technology. They go very nicely with my B&W front three, although I can't set them atop my 804's, so they are on stands in front.
For that reason among others, I am looking forward to having a house of my own next year where I can use in-ceiling speakers for Atmos. If wall or ceiling mounting is out for you, the upfiring speakers are worth doing, but if you can mount, do so.
I'm planning on selling my KEF's soon, so if you are interested in the R50s but can't stomach the retail price, PM me. Mine are less than 6 months old and in NM condition.
I'd be very interested in those R50's, as I have KEF R500's and a low ceiling that make for the perfect installation and use of them. PM incoming!

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I also own the cm10s and while i haven't heard any of the new 700 series yet, ive heard what you are saying from people who have owned the cm10s and listened to the new 700 series. I should be hearing them soon and im excited to see what i find out.
If you like listening to content loudly, crank them up. The effect is much more pronounced at high gain. Also, take some time and listen to a bunch of tracks. I didn't notice it with the first few tracks (by chance?).
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Swap the speakers for left and right to see if the effect moves with the speaker over to the right channel. If it doesn't, you have a problem with the electronics feeding the speakers rather than the speakers themselves.
I tried that, and yes the effect stays with the speaker. I'm wondering if it's the tweeter or a component in the main tower though, which will allow for a more complicated shipping for warranty.

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Ccm 8.3d

Has anyone actually heard an 8.3D (diamond tweeter) in-wall yet? If so, any review or comparison to regular 8.3 or 7.3's?
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I tried that, and yes the effect stays with the speaker. I'm wondering if it's the tweeter or a component in the main tower though, which will allow for a more complicated shipping for warranty.
You can easily determine that by removing the jumper on the dual binding posts and hooking up the high frequency terminal only and then the low frequency terminal only.

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I tried that, and yes the effect stays with the speaker. I'm wondering if it's the tweeter or a component in the main tower though, which will allow for a more complicated shipping for warranty.
You can easily determine that by removing the jumper on the dual binding posts and hooking up the high frequency terminal only and then the low frequency terminal only.
Good idea, I'm guessing the bottom plugs are the low-mid frequency and the top plugs are directly to tweeter only?

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The lower one would very likely be the woofer only. The upper one is probably going to be tweeter and midrange together.

At least you'd know it's NOT the woofer.

BTW, make certain the FST midrange driver "transit clamp disk" is removed from both speakers. I was unaware they used any such thing until just now when I downloaded the manual for those CM10's.

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The lower one would very likely be the woofer only. The upper one is probably going to be tweeter and midrange together.

At least you'd know it's NOT the woofer.

BTW, make certain the FST midrange driver "transit clamp disk" is removed from both speakers. I was unaware they used any such thing until just now when I downloaded the manual for those CM10's.
It's definitely not the woofers, and I'm also 99% sure it's not the mids. I put my ears directly in front of the tweeters, which isn't the greatest for my ears, but I know for certain it's the tweeters. I just don't know if it's a component leading up to the tweeters or the tweeters itself. And it only happen with certain frequencies that make it make the noise more.

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Would love to hear your take on the ZELLATONE's sound vs the new 800D3 s... If you get a chance of course ...
I've heard Zellatons, they're not as good as Bowers'.
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It's definitely not the woofers, and I'm also 99% sure it's not the mids. I put my ears directly in front of the tweeters, which isn't the greatest for my ears, but I know for certain it's the tweeters. I just don't know if it's a component leading up to the tweeters or the tweeters itself. And it only happen with certain frequencies that make it make the noise more.
Well now you find out all about B&W's support aspect. Or, your local dealer's level of support. I have a fantastic local dealer, but know I'm in a very lucky minority.

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Not yet. Haven't had word word that they came in to the dealer either. Been in New York all week. Will most likely not pick them up until a week from Monday due to my schedule even if they come in sooner.

BTW, had a chance to play around at the Manhattan Harman store and JBL K2 S9900/DD67000 were pretty darn amazing, but at $44K-$70K for the pair...

I took a 15 minute listen to the JBL K2, at the very same store and while the K2 has nice dynamic range and true tembral fidelity, its sound left much to be desired at its 40 or so grand in red paint finish... It had very little imaging, practically no depth, (but extremely poor set up was to blame for that in the Harman room me thinks ) and so the new B&W D3 range (or for that matter the D2 range) sounds far superior for much less.... IMHO of course...

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Thought I would post my completed setup. I've been planning this for over a year and things finally came together. I love the panda color scheme so I went with a white, black, and grey palette. Love the satin white finish! I have a bank of hue lights on each side and the white of the speakers and media cabinet reflects the color of the lights perfectly. Looks awesome!

The room was a very difficult space to work with. It's fairly wide but not very deep. There is a foyer and stairway on one side and an open dining room behind the main seating position. The front stage was fairly easy to work out, but the rest was a real challenge. I ended up going with a 5.2.2 system with the surrounds ceiling mounted and the heights in-ceiling. The heights and surrounds were really hard to get in because of ducts and joists. I finally decided on the AM1 for surrounds because of the flexibility of the installation.

Overall, I'm very pleased with the results despite the less than optimal room characteristics. I don't know if I'll be in a hurry to rip open my ceiling again in the near future, though! lol!

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Thought I would post my completed setup. I've been planning this for over a year and things finally came together. I love the panda color scheme so I went with a white, black, and grey palette. Love the satin white finish! I have a bank of hue lights on each side and the white of the speakers and media cabinet reflects the color of the lights perfectly. Looks awesome!

The room was a very difficult space to work with. It's fairly wide but not very deep. There is a foyer and stairway on one side and an open dining room behind the main seating position. The front stage was fairly easy to work out, but the rest was a real challenge. I ended up going with a 5.2.2 system with the surrounds ceiling mounted and the heights in-ceiling. The heights and surrounds were really hard to get in because of ducts and joists. I finally decided on the AM1 for surrounds because of the flexibility of the installation.

Overall, I'm very pleased with the results despite the less than optimal room characteristics. I don't know if I'll be in a hurry to rip open my ceiling again in the near future, though! lol!

L/R: CM10 S2
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That setup looks insane!
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Thought I would post my completed setup. I've been planning this for over a year and things finally came together. I love the panda color scheme so I went with a white, black, and grey palette. Love the satin white finish! I have a bank of hue lights on each side and the white of the speakers and media cabinet reflects the color of the lights perfectly. Looks awesome!

The room was a very difficult space to work with. It's fairly wide but not very deep. There is a foyer and stairway on one side and an open dining room behind the main seating position. The front stage was fairly easy to work out, but the rest was a real challenge. I ended up going with a 5.2.2 system with the surrounds ceiling mounted and the heights in-ceiling. The heights and surrounds were really hard to get in because of ducts and joists. I finally decided on the AM1 for surrounds because of the flexibility of the installation.

Overall, I'm very pleased with the results despite the less than optimal room characteristics. I don't know if I'll be in a hurry to rip open my ceiling again in the near future, though! lol!

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Very cool set up. How far are the main speakers from seats? That looks like a lot of speaker for that space. 1 sub wasn't enough?
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Thought I would post my completed setup. I've been planning this for over a year and things finally came together. I love the panda color scheme so I went with a white, black, and grey palette. Love the satin white finish! I have a bank of hue lights on each side and the white of the speakers and media cabinet reflects the color of the lights perfectly. Looks awesome!

The room was a very difficult space to work with. It's fairly wide but not very deep. There is a foyer and stairway on one side and an open dining room behind the main seating position. The front stage was fairly easy to work out, but the rest was a real challenge. I ended up going with a 5.2.2 system with the surrounds ceiling mounted and the heights in-ceiling. The heights and surrounds were really hard to get in because of ducts and joists. I finally decided on the AM1 for surrounds because of the flexibility of the installation.

Overall, I'm very pleased with the results despite the less than optimal room characteristics. I don't know if I'll be in a hurry to rip open my ceiling again in the near future, though! lol!

L/R: CM10 S2
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Height: CCM683
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I love the look of that stand with the white speakers. Also, I love the placement of the rear speakers. I have mine on stands, but that not only looks better it surely sounds better.

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Very cool set up. How far are the main speakers from seats? That looks like a lot of speaker for that space. 1 sub wasn't enough?
I have a similar set up, and there is no such thing as too much

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how's the surround sound imaging? i haven't seen rear surround so far up in the corners... in a while.

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I believe B&W is going have a hard time selling their 800 series now when you can get about 95% of the way there with the 702s2, for a lot less money!

Thank You B&W!
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Thought I would post my completed setup. I've been planning this for over a year and things finally came together. I love the panda color scheme so I went with a white, black, and grey palette. Love the satin white finish! I have a bank of hue lights on each side and the white of the speakers and media cabinet reflects the color of the lights perfectly. Looks awesome!

The room was a very difficult space to work with. It's fairly wide but not very deep. There is a foyer and stairway on one side and an open dining room behind the main seating position. The front stage was fairly easy to work out, but the rest was a real challenge. I ended up going with a 5.2.2 system with the surrounds ceiling mounted and the heights in-ceiling. The heights and surrounds were really hard to get in because of ducts and joists. I finally decided on the AM1 for surrounds because of the flexibility of the installation.

Overall, I'm very pleased with the results despite the less than optimal room characteristics. I don't know if I'll be in a hurry to rip open my ceiling again in the near future, though! lol!

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Nice job on this setup. Looks great and I'm sure it sounds great as well.
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Very cool set up. How far are the main speakers from seats? That looks like a lot of speaker for that space. 1 sub wasn't enough?
About 8 feet from the frontstage to the MLP according to YPAO. It's close, no doubt, but I like it that way. In a movie theater, I'm always the one sitting towards the front.

There are 2 factors which required a second sub. This is not a closed off room so you have to factor in the cubic footage of the dining room, front hall, and stairwell when pressurizing the room with bass. The floor is slab concrete which acts as a damper to the bass (good for not transmitting the bass waves to neighbors, bad for transmitting it to your butt on the couch). The close placement of the sub to the MLP combined with the concrete made it easy to localize where the bass was coming from. I was also getting lots of nulls with just a single sub. Doing the sub crawl and moving things around wasn't an option, so it was better to just bite the bullet and add another one.

Adding the second sub evened out the room response and made it seem like the bass was coming from everywhere and not just one spot. I was also able to lower the gain and give them a little more headroom. Most importantly, I can feel the bass with my butt now . If you haven't experimented with a second sub I would highly recommend giving it a try.
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I love the look of that stand with the white speakers. Also, I love the placement of the rear speakers. I have mine on stands, but that not only looks better it surely sounds better.

I have a similar set up, and there is no such thing as too much

To the OP, please tell me you are not in an apartment. I would be raged haha.
I saw the white version of the stand (BDI OLA in case anyone was interested) in a Magnolia Design Center and fell in love.

My surrounds are not positioned ideally. I much prefer surrounds to be at ear height, but it wouldn't have worked in my room, so they had to be ceiling mounted. The surrounds were the biggest compromise and headache of the entire project.

I'm in a townhouse with neighbors on either side so I'm careful not to use the system too late at night at high volume. On my days off I check to see if the neighbors cars are in their spots. If the coast is clear I crank it up! Knock on wood, I haven't gotten any complaints yet. I'll be in this house for at least a few more years, but my next house will definitely be single family with a dedicated theater room so I don't have to worry about bothering anyone.

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I believe B&W is going have a hard time selling their 800 series now when you can get about 95% of the way there with the 702s2, for a lot less money!

Thank You B&W!
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how's the surround sound imaging? i haven't seen rear surround so far up in the corners... in a while.
It's passable, but certainly not ideal. The room is wide enough to accommodate the front stage without a problem, but it's not very deep so getting separation between the heights and surrounds is very difficult, especially with the surrounds being ceiling mounted. I would have much preferred to put the surrounds on floor stands at ear level, but that would put them directly in the middle of my front hallway.... so not an option. It also hurts that there is no back wall to bounce the surround effects.

I guess we have to work with the room we are dealt, and in this case, the only option was ceiling mounting. The AM1 fit the bill perfectly with it's ability to be placed on the ceiling with a built in mount. It sounds great and looks pretty good too. I would highly recommend you guys give it a listen if you are thinking about wall or ceiling mounting.

Overall, I'm very happy with the build, compromises and all.
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