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post #26191 of 27571 Old 03-29-2018, 07:37 PM
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I'm torn. Because the front LCR do the heavy lifting, offloading them to external amps can relieve a *lot* of load off the power supply for your AVR. This buys you some theoretical headroom, and also just feels nice (and potentially lowers the thermal demands on your AVR).

On the other hand, with your 4520 headroom probably isn't a problem anyway.

I think in your position, if it was an easy installation and I had plenty of room in the space for the additional amps I'd go for it, but if it was inconvenient in any way I wouldn't bother.
Thanks for your input, I really appreciate it. I was possibly leaning toward installing them just because I have them, it isn't much of a hassle besides running audyssey again (which I hate). Technically if I put the amps on the mains, the center and surrounds should get a little more power. even if it isn't noticeable. Lol, ill see. now that I'm typing this I'm thinking why even bother, just sale them. the little things that drive us crazy. lol, thanks again
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B&W DM602 vs. B&W DM602 S2 vs. B&W DM602 S3 vs. B&W 685 vs. B&W 685 S2

Hi,

I have a NAD C326BEE amplifier that I would like to pair with second hand B&W's.

I listened to the original B&W DM602 ages ago and I fell in love with them. I would like to know how do they compare with B&W DM602 S2, S3 and, eventually, with the latest models, B&W 685 and 685 S2.

I have been offered a pair of second hand of almost mint condition B&W DM602 for 300$ and I would like to consider if I should stay with these or go for another model in the series. I wouldn't mind to spend another 200$ on another B&W model if it would be worth it.

In other words: if you have heard/owned several of these B&W's models, have you noticed a considerable performance improvement in one particular model over the others?
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Also, I would like to know what other competitors have the DM602 S1 these days in a price range of 300$ to 500$.
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cm8

i have a chance to pick up a pair of CM8 for $500.
is it worth it ?
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i have a chance to pick up a pair of CM8 for $500.
is it worth it ?
S1 or S2? If it were me I would prefer the S2 model but if it's a pair of S1s that's still a good deal.

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S1 or S2? If it were me I would prefer the S2 model but if it's a pair of S1s that's still a good deal.
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I have a Klipsch setup RF82s,is there a comparison between them in this thread somewhere ? want to find out if its worth it to jump in.
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Was going to go with LCR with CWM 7.3 and 2 CCM 7.5 for surround and 2 CCM 7.5 for Atmos, along with 2 of the CTW SW15 subwoofer w/ one of the 1,000 watt amp SA1000

Thoughts on this setup?

Could I use the CWM 8.3 for LCR and keep the 7.5s?

What about CWM 8.3D for LCR and keep the 7.5s?

The CCM 8.5D are just too expensive, and my room is only 15' x 19'

Thoughts?

Are the 8.3 or 8.3D worth it?

Would love to hear anyone who has the CTW SW15 sub.. there are literally no real reviews.
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Was going to go with LCR with CWM 7.3 and 2 CCM 7.5 for surround and 2 CCM 7.5 for Atmos, along with 2 of the CTW SW15 subwoofer w/ one of the 1,000 watt amp SA1000

Thoughts on this setup?

Could I use the CWM 8.3 for LCR and keep the 7.5s?

What about CWM 8.3D for LCR and keep the 7.5s?

The CCM 8.5D are just too expensive, and my room is only 15' x 19'

Thoughts?

Are the 8.3 or 8.3D worth it?

Would love to hear anyone who has the CTW SW15 sub.. there are literally no real reviews.
Yea the 8.3d are a big step up due to the continuum cone and will match up with the 7.5s surrounds just fine. Definitely go with the D if you can here.
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Was going to go with LCR with CWM 7.3 and 2 CCM 7.5 for surround and 2 CCM 7.5 for Atmos, along with 2 of the CTW SW15 subwoofer w/ one of the 1,000 watt amp SA1000

Thoughts on this setup?

Could I use the CWM 8.3 for LCR and keep the 7.5s?

What about CWM 8.3D for LCR and keep the 7.5s?

The CCM 8.5D are just too expensive, and my room is only 15' x 19'

Thoughts?

Are the 8.3 or 8.3D worth it?

Would love to hear anyone who has the CTW SW15 sub.. there are literally no real reviews.
I have the the CWm7.3 for LCR and think they sound GREAT! If you live anywhere near Arlington VA. you are more than welcome to come over and give them a listen. Ii was considering to upgrade not to long ago to the CWm8.3 but not the CWM8.3D. I have ripped apart my front wall 3 times already and putting in the CWm8.3 or CWm8.3D would mean cutting dry wall from the top of the ceiling to the bottom of the floor to fit the fit in the back box. Another concern was doing a center channel in landscape and the addition framing that would need to be done because i have a OLED not a projector with a transparent screen and finally would I have enough room between the Left/Right to fit a center channel backbox in. if I was running a projector i would not have to do a center channel in landscape which would be a benefit. Putting in the CWM7.3 as a retro fit is much easier. i also have Cwm7.4's for my surrounds and considering selling them and getting two more CWm7.3's for surrounds to run 5 of the same speaker. My atmos speakers are CCM682, i wish I would have gotten the CCM7.4 instead. I believe that the CWM8.3D is conparibale to a 804D3 which is a nice speaker. The CWM8.3D is more than twice the price of the CWM7.3, I also expect the CWM7.3's will be updated like the CM series speakers were to the 700 series. How big is your room? is it a theater or living room? Is it new construction or a retrofit? I am not a fan of the B&W subs, i like JL Audio subs much more an.d have a JL F112v2

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I have a CM Centre and I noticed that the tweeter dome got pushed in (probably by my 2 year old...). Does anyone know how having a dented dome effects the sound?

Also does anyone know how the HTM72 compares to the CM Centre. If I am going to spend money on a replacement tweeter, am I better off just upgrading to the new speaker? My main issue with the CM Centre is that low frequency male voices are sometimes hard to understand (even when I have increased the volume of the center channel).

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I have a CM Centre and I noticed that the tweeter dome got pushed in (probably by my 2 year old...). Does anyone know how having a dented dome effects the sound?

Also does anyone know how the HTM72 compares to the CM Centre. If I am going to spend money on a replacement tweeter, am I better off just upgrading to the new speaker? My main issue with the CM Centre is that low frequency male voices are sometimes hard to understand (even when I have increased the volume of the center channel).

Thanks for advice
I had a tweeter pushed in in my old XT series speakers and used 3m double sideed tape and pulled t out perfectly. If you google search pulling out a pushed in tweeter on YouTube you will see how to do it.
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Also does anyone know how the HTM72 compares to the CM Centre.
My main issue with the CM Centre is that low frequency male voices are sometimes hard to understand (even when I have increased the volume of the center channel).
You should look at the HTM71 ($1350) or HTM61 ($750). I would imagine the HTM61 is a closer match. It has the same woofers and midrange. The HTM71 has different tweeter and midrange. I don't think either has the same tweeter as the CM. Both are 3-ways centers, whereas the HTM72 is 2-way center. I bought the HTM61 because my old polk center I couldn't understand dialog, there was some resonance with voices.

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I have a Klipsch setup RF82s,is there a comparison between them in this thread somewhere ? want to find out if its worth it to jump in.
Not sure if there is a comparison in this thread (you can use the search function). I would say it's like comparing apples to oranges-very different speakers. If you like the RF82s the B&Ws will seem very different.

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You should look at the HTM71 ($1350) or HTM61 ($750). I would imagine the HTM61 is a closer match. It has the same woofers and midrange. The HTM71 has different tweeter and midrange. I don't think either has the same tweeter as the CM. Both are 3-ways centers, whereas the HTM72 is 2-way center. I bought the HTM61 because my old polk center I couldn't understand dialog, there was some resonance with voices.

I would look into the bigger ones, if they weren't so big... I think the height is about 1-2 inches taller than the space in my TV stand.
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Hi,

I have a NAD C326BEE amplifier that I would like to pair with second hand B&W's.

I listened to the original B&W DM602 ages ago and I fell in love with them. I would like to know how do they compare with B&W DM602 S2, S3 and, eventually, with the latest models, B&W 685 and 685 S2.

I have been offered a pair of second hand of almost mint condition B&W DM602 for 300$ and I would like to consider if I should stay with these or go for another model in the series. I wouldn't mind to spend another 200$ on another B&W model if it would be worth it.

In other words: if you have heard/owned several of these B&W's models, have you noticed a considerable performance improvement in one particular model over the others?
Even though the newer 685 S2 is not made in England (as the DM602s are) the performance is very good. My guess is that if you purchase 20+ year old speakers some work may be needed (unless they sat in a box unused for most of that time which is not very likely).

Is the DM602 pair you are considering the S3? Do you have the opportunity to assess condition/audition?

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I have CM8s. I think the price is good. Dunno about the subs.

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I have the the CWm7.3 for LCR and think they sound GREAT! If you live anywhere near Arlington VA. you are more than welcome to come over and give them a listen. Ii was considering to upgrade not to long ago to the CWm8.3 but not the CWM8.3D. I have ripped apart my front wall 3 times already and putting in the CWm8.3 or CWm8.3D would mean cutting dry wall from the top of the ceiling to the bottom of the floor to fit the fit in the back box. Another concern was doing a center channel in landscape and the addition framing that would need to be done because i have a OLED not a projector with a transparent screen and finally would I have enough room between the Left/Right to fit a center channel backbox in. if I was running a projector i would not have to do a center channel in landscape which would be a benefit. Putting in the CWM7.3 as a retro fit is much easier. i also have Cwm7.4's for my surrounds and considering selling them and getting two more CWm7.3's for surrounds to run 5 of the same speaker. My atmos speakers are CCM682, i wish I would have gotten the CCM7.4 instead. I believe that the CWM8.3D is conparibale to a 804D3 which is a nice speaker. The CWM8.3D is more than twice the price of the CWM7.3, I also expect the CWM7.3's will be updated like the CM series speakers were to the 700 series. How big is your room? is it a theater or living room? Is it new construction or a retrofit? I am not a fan of the B&W subs, i like JL Audio subs much more an.d have a JL F112v2

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walls are studs now, L and R will be in the walls, but the center is going to be built into a custom cabinet that sits under the projector. It has it's own baffle box right?
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walls are studs now, L and R will be in the walls, but the center is going to be built into a custom cabinet that sits under the projector. It has it's own baffle box right?
CWM 7.3 in landscape does not use the reservoir so it will lack bass but still uses the back box. I you are going to have a separate box maybe look at the CT700 series for a center channel?

http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/Speake...tre/CT700.html

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Even though the newer 685 S2 is not made in England (as the DM602s are) the performance is very good. My guess is that if you purchase 20+ year old speakers some work may be needed (unless they sat in a box unused for most of that time which is not very likely).

Is the DM602 pair you are considering the S3? Do you have the opportunity to assess condition/audition?
Hi postrokfan, thanks for your reply.

I'll explain myself better in the next comment. :-)
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Hi all,

Previously I said that "I have a NAD C326BEE amplifier that I would like to pair with second hand B&W's". Well, that's not true anymore.

I hadn't got the NAD C326BEE yet, I had just ordered it and then I cancelled it.

I have done the opposite though: I have purchased a pair of second hand B&W 602 S3 which I would like to pair with a NAD amplifier.

According to the specs, the recommended amplifier power for the 602 is 25–120W into 8ohms.

So now I have narrowed it down to a second hand NAD C325BEE (not 326) 50-Watt per channel, OR a NAD C370, 120W per channel.

I am not going for loudness but for sound quality.

Do you think that the B&W 602 S3 would benefit from a 120W amp such as the NAD C370 or would you opt for the C325BEE instead?
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Do you think that the B&W 602 S3 would benefit from a 120W amp such as the NAD C370 or would you opt for the C325BEE instead?
I would get the 120W. B&W speakers love power.
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I would get the 120W. B&W speakers love power.
One vote for the C370! Thanks!

Let's see what others think.
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So my wife and I are downsizing, we're moving back to Austin. So no more Klipsch Reference Premiere setup. For the living room, I'm thinking B&W 707's with the HTM72 center channel, how do you guys think that would sound for a setup that would be 30% Movies, 10% Music, 60% TV/Gaming.

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CWM 7.3 in landscape does not use the reservoir so it will lack bass but still uses the back box. I you are going to have a separate box maybe look at the CT700 series for a center channel?

http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/Speake...tre/CT700.html

frank uses the CT700 series speakers and really likes them. maybe you pirivate message him for his impression on the speakers, he is a really nice guy.

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oh, that's a good idea. would the CT700 7.3 be a timber match to the in wall 7.3? I'd think yes right?
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oh, that's a good idea. would the CT700 7.3 be a timber match to the in wall 7.3? I'd think yes right?
Both are in the 700 series one is the in-wall other is the 700 custom theater series. Private message Franin, he uses the ct700 series with Rotel amps and likes the results. Your drivers will be larger with the ct700 vs the CWM but I do not se that as a problem because most complain that the center channel in most setups are not loud enough. If you use auduessy r any other room correction it will even everything out with a good calibration.

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So my wife and I are downsizing, we're moving back to Austin. So no more Klipsch Reference Premiere setup. For the living room, I'm thinking B&W 707's with the HTM72 center channel, how do you guys think that would sound for a setup that would be 30% Movies, 10% Music, 60% TV/Gaming.
I think this will probably be ok but if you can handle it, definitely try to go with 706 over 707. There's a really big difference here and not *that* much difference in size.

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One vote for the C370! Thanks!

Let's see what others think.
Either integrated would perform well. I think it really depends on the room dimensions if more power is required and also if you need the other features of the C370. Also, the 325BEE is around 10 years old whereas the C370 is 16 years old.

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B&W has isolated me!

I created another thread to figure out how to solve my problem (B&W 605s2 amp repair?) and am here to post about my disappointment with B&W.

605s2's were made between 1999 and 2001, so my speakers may be approaching 20 years old. They are the L/R channels of my home theater and are PERFECT for that application because our space is very small and they have integral powered subwoofers. This is a fantastic use for these great speakers!

Unfortunately, after all of this time the amps are starting to fail. One in particular is very 'crackly' even with no signal. B&W WILL NOT FIX THESE BECAUSE OF THEIR AGE.

To be clear: I tried to send them, fully expecting to pay elevated bench fees, but they refused to look at them, thereby tossing my speakers into the cold, dark night. At minimum I would have thought they charge me an arm and a leg to rebuild them, but the response is they are not interested.

I find this to be highly alarming. One buys B&W because of their longevity and loyalty to owners. I understand the economics of supporting old products but I prefer to think of it as supporting loyal clients. I am searching for regional repair specialists and will take the chance with one of them, but I am severely disappointed to be treated this way by a long-standing premium brand such as B&W.

This must be yet another sign that they are struggling and owners are not as important as the bottom line.

<sigh>

-Mike

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Guys,

How does REL subwoofers go with B&W speakers? I am planning to get the REL T9i to go with my S684 s2(fronts) HTM62 (center) S686 s2 (surrounds).
My room is around 16 X 14 feet. My usage is 30% music, 40% gaming & 30% movies. Suggestions would be great.


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702 s2 vs 703 s2 ?
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Sale/Keep Dilemma

Hey everyone. I have been rolling with the same setup for years now and am starting to get an upgrade bug/ or possibly a different brand direction bug. I would love to get the board's thoughts and or advice on the subject.

Current setup in our home theater.......in all Red Cherry (which I also use for 2 ch listening):
Front: Nautilus 802
C: HTM1
Sides: SCMS
Rears: Nautilus 804
In ceiling for Atmos: Cinema 7

So, here's the dilemmas.
1. If I do sell, do I break them up or try and move them all together. Perfect world would be someone locally that wants to buy them all. Splitting up is going to be a PIA from shipping standpoint. Especially the 802's.

2. If I do group them together in a package deal, what the hayul do I charge from something like that?

3. Probably the most important question....what kind of speaker setup is it going to take to "move me" enough to go through this and what's the cost going vs money made on selling the Nautilus lineup?

I am sorry for all the open ended questions, but I need other people in the hobby that gets it. I am in Birmingham, AL so it's hard to find other like minded people to meet in person and even sell high end equipment to!

Before anyone asks, here's the related equipment that will stay put: (McIntosh)
MC4542
MC207
MC7205
MX122
C2500
MCD301
Oppo 205
Sony 675es projector
Stewart Cima Neve
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