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Is it okay to mix custom install speakers with free standing speakers in a 5.1 setup?

I'm considering 805 D3's on stands for L&R and CMW8.3 D or CMW 8.5 D for the center channel. I'm trying to design a clean AV wall setup, but can't get away from the look of the 805 D3 (Prestige Edition?!) on stands as a focal point.

Any thoughts on issues with timbre matching by not using the HTM2 D3?

Thanks!!
The CWM8.5 D is going to be an almost identical timbre match for an 805D3. It has a single continuum woofer (7" vs 6.5" on the 805D3) and the same diamond tweeter. It's as close to an in-wall 805D3 as you can get. These won't perform anywhere nearly as well as the HTM1D3 but probably will have a closer timbre match than the HTM2D3 (the HTM2 has smaller speakers). Make sure you're buying the current 8.5D models not the last year's with kevlar.

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The CWM8.5 D is going to be an almost identical timbre match for an 805D3. It has a single continuum woofer (7" vs 6.5" on the 805D3) and the same diamond tweeter. It's as close to an in-wall 805D3 as you can get. These won't perform anywhere nearly as well as the HTM1D3 but probably will have a closer timbre match than the HTM2D3 (the HTM2 has smaller speakers). Make sure you're buying the current 8.5D models not the last year's with kevlar.
Thanks so much for the advice!

Are there any issues with mounting the CWM8.5 D horizontally or does it have to be installed vertically? That was the reason I was considering the CWM8.3 D.

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Thanks so much for the advice!

Are there any issues with mounting the CWM8.5 D horizontally or does it have to be installed vertically? That was the reason I was considering the CWM8.3 D.

Thanks again!
I think you need to install those vertically or the sound staging will be all off. Also the tweeters are a little on the loose side.

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get rid of the wife and then you can afford the 702’s that you really want! That’s how most of us do it.

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I have had the MRX 720 and now have the AVM60 and MCA 525. The two setups sound incredibly similar, and as someone else pointed out the amp section in the 720 will be more than enough to drive the 702 S2s, which are quite efficient.

I thought the MRX 720 was a fantastic unit and in retrospect probably would've just stuck with it instead of going separates. Even driving my KEF Reference 1s, which are WAY less efficient than the 702 S2, I probably would've been fine (it was then driving a pair of 802 D2s). At the time I had a different amp I was using to drive the front LCR from the 720s preouts. Said amp was noisy (Parasound Halo A51), so I decided to go AVM60 to take advantage of the balanced preouts. It did clean it up a bit but looking back I realize I actually preferred the Anthem amps signature more than the Parasound.

Along those lines. I very much enjoy the MCA525 over the Parasound Halo A51. For one thing, it isn't quite as much of a space heater (my A51 if not actively cooled would stabilize at ~120f), though IMO it still should be actively cooled with rack fans. Don't get me wrong about the Parasound though, as it weighs about 80lbs and will drive ANY set of speakers like a rented mule. The MCA525 is much cleaner and more neutral even if it does give up a bit of max current to the A51, with the caveat of maybe sounding a little thin on the bottom. With your 702 S2's three bass drivers, I could see the MCA525 or MRX720, which has that same signature, working very well to tame the bottom end of a speaker that IMO can sound too bass forward.

I say get the 720. It's a great piece of gear that would pair brilliantly with your B&Ws.
Appreciate your input. I ended up ordering the AVM60 & MCA525. I was worried the MRX720 would be working too hard when I crank it up to reference. I just didn’t want to limit the speaker. Plus more power is always better right? I assume you’re very happy with your setup?
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Appreciate your input. I ended up ordering the AVM60 & MCA525. I was worried the MRX720 would be working too hard when I crank it up to reference. I just didn’t want to limit the speaker. Plus more power is always better right? I assume you’re very happy with your setup?
The MCA525 will certainly push more power than the 720 and has plenty on tap for your 702 S2s. Reference should be no problem unless you have an exceptionally large room and/or are sitting 20+ feet away. Then though, larger more efficient speakers are what you'd really want, and an amp with gobs more power...pro stuff, like JBL, Crown etc. One would think you spent the coin on B&W speakers to begin with because you care what they sound like, not just that they get loud.


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Hi guys,
I am about to buy ( in couple of months) b&w 803 d3 ( together with bd1 d sub) and i would like your recommendation for amp-pre amp, av receiver. I am thinking of getting AV Preamp Rotel RSP 1582 and Poweramp RMB 1585.
I am considering mcintoch also, but which ones?
Currenlty i have 702 s2, db4s, htm1 and use the marantz 8012. What i really enjoy is the connectivity , airplay, heos etc.. which it seems i will lose if i go with rotel ?
Any suggestions to build something which will not lack connectivity and get the best out of my 803 d3??? Thanks
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I heard the 803 D3 with Rotel at Best Buy recently. Sounded “crunchy and harsh” is the best way to put it. The Macintosh stuff was much, much better. It’s a fantastic speaker with the right gear but the Rotel stuff is mid fi at best.
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Hi guys,
I am about to buy ( in couple of months) b&w 803 d3 ( together with bd1 d sub) and i would like your recommendation for amp-pre amp, av receiver. I am thinking of getting AV Preamp Rotel RSP 1582 and Poweramp RMB 1585.
I am considering mcintoch also, but which ones?
Currenlty i have 702 s2, db4s, htm1 and use the marantz 8012. What i really enjoy is the connectivity , airplay, heos etc.. which it seems i will lose if i go with rotel ?
Any suggestions to build something which will not lack connectivity and get the best out of my 803 d3??? Thanks
Doesn’t your Marantz receiver have preouts for a power amp? Use a Macintosh power amp with it.
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I heard the 803 D3 with Rotel at Best Buy recently. Sounded “crunchy and harsh” is the best way to put it. The Macintosh stuff was much, much better. It’s a fantastic speaker with the right gear but the Rotel stuff is mid fi at best.
Agree. I'd personally pair the new MC462 or older MC452 with the 803 D3.

Rotel isn't bad per se, but yeah, MAC is more on the level of 800 series speakers.

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Agree. I'd personally pair the new MC462 or older MC452 with the 803 D3.



Rotel isn't bad per se, but yeah, MAC is more on the level of 800 series speakers.


I know the 462/452 are amazing amps but I would more think 802D3 for those, wouldn’t the 300 wpc version be a good match for the 803D3? Certainly can’t hurt but just asking.


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I know the 462/452 are amazing amps but I would more think 802D3 for those, wouldn’t the 300 wpc version be a good match for the 803D3? Certainly can’t hurt but just asking.


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Perhaps, but I've never heard that amp so I wouldn't know. It's worthwhile to mention though that pairing an amp rated for much more power than the speaker is rated for typically is not a bad thing, and in fact CAN sound really grippy depending on the design of the amplifier (negative feedback and such)...much better than underpowering it, where distortion can destroy your speakers. Speaking of MAC gear, I'd have no second thoughts powering 803 D3's with the 600wpc monoblocks, or even 1.2kw version. I've heard the 600wpc amps on 802 D3s and thought they sounded great.

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The Magnolia I was at had the 1.2kw monos powering 800 D3s. It sounded glorious. Such huge sound with presence even at lower levels. Effortless.

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Long time lurker first post. Currently I have a 5.1.2 setup with Pioneer Andrew Jones tower and center channel. Using Elac Atmos speakers and the rears are in ceiling Monoprice all driven by Onkyo 656. A neighbor posted he was selling 683s2 for $175. I jumped fast on that and offered more to beat anyone else to the punch. Apparently he upgraded and wanted them gone quick. Win win for me. Question what should I focus on next to upgrade? Center or AVR. I like the onkyo but suspect to really appreciate these speakers I will need a beefier AVR. I tend to be frugal and refuse to pay retail for most items unless absolutely necessary. I haven't hooked up the B&W yet so not sure how it all sounds but I couldn't pass up a deal like that.
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Perhaps, but I've never heard that amp so I wouldn't know. It's worthwhile to mention though that pairing an amp rated for much more power than the speaker is rated for typically is not a bad thing, and in fact CAN sound really grippy depending on the design of the amplifier (negative feedback and such)...much better than underpowering it, where distortion can destroy your speakers. Speaking of MAC gear, I'd have no second thoughts powering 803 D3's with the 600wpc monoblocks, or even 1.2kw version. I've heard the 600wpc amps on 802 D3s and thought they sounded great.


Checking the prices, $7K retail for the MC312 and $9K for the MC462 - I would definitely go the MC462 route if those were my favorites. This raises the stakes for front end and sources I would assume. Not sure what budget the OP is ready to utilize.


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Long time lurker first post. Currently I have a 5.1.2 setup with Pioneer Andrew Jones tower and center channel. Using Elac Atmos speakers and the rears are in ceiling Monoprice all driven by Onkyo 656. A neighbor posted he was selling 683s2 for $175. I jumped fast on that and offered more to beat anyone else to the punch. Apparently he upgraded and wanted them gone quick. Win win for me. Question what should I focus on next to upgrade? Center or AVR. I like the onkyo but suspect to really appreciate these speakers I will need a beefier AVR. I tend to be frugal and refuse to pay retail for most items unless absolutely necessary. I haven't hooked up the B&W yet so not sure how it all sounds but I couldn't pass up a deal like that.
I'd probably look for a center. Generally the longer a lineup has been obsoleted, the harder it is to find speakers. The used/demo 68x S2 market should be in good shape with owners upgrading and dealers having demo closeouts.

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Hey guys and gals, I've waited a long time but I finally dumped the bose equipment and pieced together my system. The equipment is as follows, lg oled55c7p, oppo 203, rsp1576, rmb1585, Dual TT, b&W 804 d3 Front, htm1d3 center, cm5s2 rear, JL audio f113v2 sub and comcast infinity cable. Now the problem....the guy I've been working with is out on medical leave so my setup has stalled until he returns. I have done some of the setup myself and it sounds good but i wanted to be sure everything was set up as flexible as possible. Has anyone setup the 1576 and oppo? If so what are your connections and settings. Btw, I'm using about 50/50 music/video.
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Checking the prices, $7K retail for the MC312 and $9K for the MC462 - I would definitely go the MC462 route if those were my favorites. This raises the stakes for front end and sources I would assume. Not sure what budget the OP is ready to utilize.


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Yup. Certainly not the best value amps out there. Personally, I've heard Mac amps sound fantastic on B&W 800 series speakers, but I don't think I could stomach the cost of those amps even though I often recommend them as being great components.

I'm a pretty firm believer in spending the biggest money on speakers (and room, if allowable). Less so on electronics. Don't get me wrong, I definitely have heard $20k+ front ends sound amazing compared to their more pedestrian counterparts, but the performance value of those components is WAY worse than spending the money on better speakers.

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I have 800D3s, HTM1D3 and 802s for surround and have been researching several options from Mac and even considered Rotel. I have heard Rotel with Diamonds on more than one occasion, too bright for me. Even though Rotel would save a bunch of $$ I decided to start my Mcintosh Journey. I have considered big monos, the amazing MC303 and even looked at the 462.

I am starting off with the MC207 for a few reasons. This amp is capable of over 300 watts per channel all 7 driven. You need to keep it cool and give it a dedicated 20 amp circuit. This will be my first step as the ultimate plan is to move the MC207 to a dedicated atmos amplifier. If you want a 200+ watt multichannel amp this is one to consider. My 207 will be here this weekend. I will be Bi-Amping the 800s and powering the other 3 channels for now.

From the 207 my next step is leaning towards a couple of big monos for the front stage. A pair of big chassis MC1.25KW for the 800s and MC303 for the HTM1D3 and surrounds would look nice together leaving the MC207 for the eventual Atmos.

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I have 800D3s, HTM1D3 and 802s for surround and have been researching several options from Mac and even considered Rotel. I have heard Rotel with Diamonds on more than one occasion, too bright for me. Even though Rotel would save a bunch of $$ I decided to start my Mcintosh Journey. I have considered big monos, the amazing MC303 and even looked at the 462.

I am starting off with the MC207 for a few reasons. This amp is capable of over 300 watts per channel all 7 driven. You need to keep it cool and give it a dedicated 20 amp circuit. This will be my first step as the ultimate plan is to move the MC207 to a dedicated atmos amplifier. If you want a 200+ watt multichannel amp this is one to consider. My 207 will be here this weekend. I will be Bi-Amping the 800s and powering the other 3 channels for now.

From the 207 my next step is leaning towards a couple of big monos for the front stage. A pair of big chassis MC1.25KW for the 800s and MC303 for the HTM1D3 and surrounds would look nice together leaving the MC207 for the eventual Atmos.
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You will make more selling them individually.

Depending on condition and boxes etc:

N802 $4,000+
NHTM1 $1500+
SCMS $1500+
N804 $2500+

What’s it gonna take to move you? If you step into the new D3s a lot $$ You’re talking what, $45,000 for D3 comparables.

Currently have D3s for my front and moved my N802s to rears this week.

Obviously been a long time, but I ordered a pair of 802D3's and the HTM1 D3 center today. I am going to keep the SCMS and 804's for movies, etc.
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Anyone here use Arcam amplifiers with there B&W speakers ?
I have just set up a new Arcam SA20 with my cm9s , im not sure if i'm totally into it yet...perhaps i need a couple of days to get used to it .
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I have 800D3s, HTM1D3 and 802s for surround and have been researching several options from Mac and even considered Rotel. I have heard Rotel with Diamonds on more than one occasion, too bright for me. Even though Rotel would save a bunch of $$ I decided to start my Mcintosh Journey. I have considered big monos, the amazing MC303 and even looked at the 462.

I am starting off with the MC207 for a few reasons. This amp is capable of over 300 watts per channel all 7 driven. You need to keep it cool and give it a dedicated 20 amp circuit. This will be my first step as the ultimate plan is to move the MC207 to a dedicated atmos amplifier. If you want a 200+ watt multichannel amp this is one to consider. My 207 will be here this weekend. I will be Bi-Amping the 800s and powering the other 3 channels for now.

From the 207 my next step is leaning towards a couple of big monos for the front stage. A pair of big chassis MC1.25KW for the 800s and MC303 for the HTM1D3 and surrounds would look nice together leaving the MC207 for the eventual Atmos.
I basically ordered an MC207 for my 802d3 + htm1d3 plus rest of my floor speakers. The dealer brought along an MC303 and showed up with both. The MC303 had such a better musical tone that I passed on the MC207 and refused to allow him to take the MC303 demo out of my house and bought it on the spot. I ended up ordering an MC152 for the surrounds (sounds pretty much just like the 303 did).

If you're looking for an amp that will make your 800 series beautiful, never feel bright but retain the details in the highs, and never feel harsh or straining, I'd strongly suggest the MC line that has autoformer (152, 302, 303, 312, etc).

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Oh that’s the plan, the 207 will be an atmos amp. The space has been a project all summer, this is just temporary use of the 207. I may order up a 303 this month yet before Mcintosh prices increase next month. Glad I bought the 207 when I did. I’ve been using the Marantz MM8807 all summer as I had it before I ordered my D3s. It will be for sale shortly.

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Anyone here use Arcam amplifiers with there B&W speakers ?
I have just set up a new Arcam SA20 with my cm9s , im not sure if i'm totally into it yet...perhaps i need a couple of days to get used to it .
I guess nobody has an arcam amp then ??
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No first hand experience, when I found out all the premium priced Arcam was made in China I quit considering them.

I have had good luck with Marantz integrated amps from the PM8005 made in China to the much better Reference PM-14S1 and PM-10 that are made in Japan. I was happy with this and B&W. Dare I say the PM-14S1 packed more punch for the buck than the $8,000 PM-10.

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No first hand experience, when I found out all the premium priced Arcam was made in China I quit considering them.

I have had good luck with Marantz integrated amps from the PM8005 made in China to the much better Reference PM-14S1 and PM-10 that are made in Japan. I was happy with this and B&W. Dare I say the PM-14S1 packed more punch for the buck than the $8,000 PM-10.

PM8005 is made in the same factory as the reference line in Japan.
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PM8005 is made in the same factory as the reference line in Japan.
You are correct, I was mistaken with my PM6006 I had briefly as an interim piece between my 8005 & SAs. Love the Marantz gear, the gear made in Japan is special.

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I may be the minority in this thread regarding the new 800 series... I had a few listens of these speakers at my local dealer and found them way too bright for my taste. Even the salesman could see the look of disappointment on my face as he played them. Where's the bass? I currently own 802D2's (paired with Mcintosh gear) and IMO they sound much better in almost every aspect -- not to mention looks department too . Sometimes newer isn't always better. I know this is a very subjective matter, so get out there and have a listen for yourself.

As for the new McIntosh gear... man, I'm drooling over the new MC462, absolute heaven and a worth while upgrade to my MC402!
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